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2020-08-05 9:43:57 AM  
Deleted scene is not there - but there is an interesting interview
 
2020-08-05 9:55:53 AM  
I thought this was common knowledge.  It's why they made such a big deal in the dialogue about having a "residual self image" while in the Matrix.

Unfortunately they didn't really follow through with it on the actors' physical appearances other than clothing and Keanu having a shaved head in the Real World and some hair in the Matrix. Though Trinity's consistent choice of fetishwear in the Matrix had an amusing subtext to it, which they even pointed out in the DVD commentary.
 
2020-08-05 10:17:19 AM  
Saying it was a trans allegory seems a little strong, even in the context of the interview.  Lilly says she can't really say how aware of her own trans-ness she was at the time.  The concept of transformation is there.  It leans heavily on very generalized notions of Hindu/Buddhist enlightenment. The idea of a "public" world where you have to hide yourself and blend in, and a "private" world where your true self is free, is there.  Queer allegory is there.  But its made accessible enough that it could appeal to any goth kid that feels like they don't fit in, and pines for a place and a community where they can be free to express themselves.

Frankly, Lilly's idea feels a little not-fully-baked, and it's probably for the best that it wasn't included.  Her idea is that Switch, the blond woman who has like 3 lines in the whole movie, was supposed to be male in the real world but female in the matrix.  And that would be consistent with a person's appearance in the matrix being an expression of how they see themselves.  But it sort of muddies the water a bit between the Matrix being a "false" world that you have a moral responsibility to deny, and the real world being, well, "real."  Considering how little time they gave to developing Switch's character, there's no way it would have been anything but a gimmick.
 
2020-08-05 10:56:02 AM  
Is it that Switch was supposed to be a man in the Matrix? Hence the name? But the suits said no it's too confusing?

Because everyone already knew that.
 
2020-08-05 10:57:45 AM  
Well, the "Red Pill" movement just got much funnier.
 
2020-08-05 10:58:51 AM  

Nuuu: Frankly, Lilly's idea feels a little not-fully-baked, and it's probably for the best that it wasn't included.  Her idea is that Switch, the blond woman who has like 3 lines in the whole movie, was supposed to be male in the real world but female in the matrix.  And that would be consistent with a person's appearance in the matrix being an expression of how they see themselves.  But it sort of muddies the water a bit between the Matrix being a "false" world that you have a moral responsibility to deny, and the real world being, well, "real."  Considering how little time they gave to developing Switch's character, there's no way it would have been anything but a gimmick.


And most viewers would have seen it as nothing more than how some male videogamers play female characters in RPGs.    Simply juvenile fantasy about how if they were a woman they would "totally" be a lesbian.
 
2020-08-05 11:02:02 AM  

Nuuu: Frankly, Lilly's idea feels a little not-fully-baked, and it's probably for the best that it wasn't included.  Her idea is that Switch, the blond woman who has like 3 lines in the whole movie, was supposed to be male in the real world but female in the matrix.  And that would be consistent with a person's appearance in the matrix being an expression of how they see themselves.  But it sort of muddies the water a bit between the Matrix being a "false" world that you have a moral responsibility to deny, and the real world being, well, "real."  Considering how little time they gave to developing Switch's character, there's no way it would have been anything but a gimmick.


That point might actually make it worse than a gimmick.  Given that Cypher's whole motive to betray the protagonists was his desire to retreat back into the fantasy and willingly go back to living a lie, that would decidedly not play well with the idea that the Matrix allowed another character to be their true self.  Maybe if you reversed it, and had Matrix!Switch feel like they were in the wrong body because the Matrix actually did put them in the wrong body, but as you said, without a whole lot more time devoted to that notion, it just doesn't pan out.
 
2020-08-05 11:03:15 AM  
So it went from trans to hyper-Jesus.

if there's anything that could wholly encapsulate America...
 
2020-08-05 11:05:29 AM  

Great_Milenko: And most viewers would have seen it as nothing more than how some male videogamers play female characters in RPGs.    Simply juvenile fantasy about how if they were a woman they would "totally" be a lesbian.


Or it would push the idea that you could "shape" your body in the Matrix, making it from a pseudo-cyberpunk Plato's Cave allegory to even more of a power fantasy than the movie already was.
 
2020-08-05 11:09:48 AM  
MovieBob already covered that:
THE MATRIX - Really That Good (RE-UPLOAD)
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2020-08-05 11:10:12 AM  
Plato's Cave is junk-philosophy anyways.
 
2020-08-05 11:11:41 AM  

Ishkur: Is it that Switch was supposed to be a man in the Matrix? Hence the name? But the suits said no it's too confusing?

Because everyone already knew that.


I believe it was intended to be the model in the matrix (so she got the nice duds), and a male actor outside of the matrix, as the rumor goes.

Yeah though, this has been common scuttlebutt in trans circles for quite some time.
 
2020-08-05 11:14:03 AM  
You know what else was a Trans story?

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Smokey and the Bandit.
 
2020-08-05 11:15:11 AM  

Ishkur: Is it that Switch was supposed to be a man in the Matrix? Hence the name? But the suits said no it's too confusing?

Because everyone already knew that.


I heard that Switch was named in reference to the term that designate people who "switch" between dom and sun roles, one of the numerous BDSM references in the movie.
 
2020-08-05 11:15:24 AM  
I want to know why the first matrix was so good but the second one looked like it was glued together by a chimp.
 
2020-08-05 11:17:50 AM  
While there are a lot of themes in The Matrix including the necessity of LGBTQ having to hide in plain sight, the one I like most is the systems design metaphor.

Neo was The One, as in the 1, a true assertion in Boolean logic/computer science.

Any continuously running algorithm of significant complexity will invariably accumulate defects over time, reducing performance. As these bugs and errors manifest with increasing regularity, the probability of a total and complete system crash/failure steadily approaches 1. That's what Neo is: He is the BSOD to end all BSODs that necessitates a complete hard drive wipe and system reinstall from the ROM-BIOS.

The Architect built The Matrix, and except for this small recurring anomaly it is an algorithm of mathematical perfection. He is of course aware of the anomaly so he knows what to do about it when he sees it, which is patch the bug and reboot the system. Apparently he's had to do this six times before Neo came along.

It was the Oracle who alerted him of the anomaly, and that in order to maintain system integrity it was best to flush the anomaly out (ie: free him). Hence, why she helps the humans find the anomaly and why the Architect lets her (and why he needs her around. For some reason, he is not able to find the anomaly himself... probably because he's an OS and she's a debugger tool with Admin rights).

Once the anomaly was flushed out of the system, the debugging tools would fix all the errors and sectors that the anomaly corrupted, and the system would be rebooted again. Before they got around to doing that, however, the anomaly corrupted one of the agent programs, turning it into a virus which subsequently infected the entire system and that farked everything up. No one -- not the Oracle, the Architect, or anyone else in the machine world -- had prepared for that, and they didn't know what to do about it.

That's what The Matrix was really about. It was one giant systems design metaphor. With a little bit of gnostic theology and wushu choreography thrown in for style.
 
2020-08-05 11:19:30 AM  

skyotter: Well, the "Red Pill" movement just got much funnier.


It's been pretty funny for a while now - the irony of a bunch of alt-right incel conspiracy theorists adopting imagery that specifically alludes to transgender history (ie forms of estrogen coming in red pills) is delicious.
 
2020-08-05 11:20:05 AM  

dittybopper: You know what else was a Trans story?


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2020-08-05 11:23:18 AM  
I still pause during the club scene hoping to see something good
 
2020-08-05 11:25:04 AM  
Or, maybe it was just a decent sci-fi movie with lots of great visual effects and fight scenes with cool weapons and shiat.
 
2020-08-05 11:25:47 AM  

purpurosea: skyotter: Well, the "Red Pill" movement just got much funnier.

It's been pretty funny for a while now - the irony of a bunch of alt-right incel conspiracy theorists adopting imagery that specifically alludes to transgender history (ie forms of estrogen coming in red pills) is delicious.


Estradiol comes in blue-ish green sublingual pills (when in pill form). I've never seen it in red.
Progesterone comes in reddish pills though. :)
 
2020-08-05 11:30:00 AM  

turboke: dittybopper: You know what else was a Trans story?

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That film aged so poorly...
 
2020-08-05 11:34:36 AM  

Nuuu: Saying it was a trans allegory seems a little strong, even in the context of the interview.  Lilly says she can't really say how aware of her own trans-ness she was at the time.  The concept of transformation is there.  It leans heavily on very generalized notions of Hindu/Buddhist enlightenment. The idea of a "public" world where you have to hide yourself and blend in, and a "private" world where your true self is free, is there.  Queer allegory is there.  But its made accessible enough that it could appeal to any goth kid that feels like they don't fit in, and pines for a place and a community where they can be free to express themselves.

Frankly, Lilly's idea feels a little not-fully-baked, and it's probably for the best that it wasn't included.  Her idea is that Switch, the blond woman who has like 3 lines in the whole movie, was supposed to be male in the real world but female in the matrix.  And that would be consistent with a person's appearance in the matrix being an expression of how they see themselves.  But it sort of muddies the water a bit between the Matrix being a "false" world that you have a moral responsibility to deny, and the real world being, well, "real."  Considering how little time they gave to developing Switch's character, there's no way it would have been anything but a gimmick.


Very thoughtfully stated.
 
2020-08-05 11:37:14 AM  

Nuuu: Saying it was a trans allegory seems a little strong, even in the context of the interview.  Lilly says she can't really say how aware of her own trans-ness she was at the time.  The concept of transformation is there.  It leans heavily on very generalized notions of Hindu/Buddhist enlightenment. The idea of a "public" world where you have to hide yourself and blend in, and a "private" world where your true self is free, is there.  Queer allegory is there.  But its made accessible enough that it could appeal to any goth kid that feels like they don't fit in, and pines for a place and a community where they can be free to express themselves.

Frankly, Lilly's idea feels a little not-fully-baked, and it's probably for the best that it wasn't included.  Her idea is that Switch, the blond woman who has like 3 lines in the whole movie, was supposed to be male in the real world but female in the matrix.  And that would be consistent with a person's appearance in the matrix being an expression of how they see themselves.  But it sort of muddies the water a bit between the Matrix being a "false" world that you have a moral responsibility to deny, and the real world being, well, "real."  Considering how little time they gave to developing Switch's character, there's no way it would have been anything but a gimmick.


As much as I enjoy the headcanon of trans-Switch, I think you've made some really great points here.
 
2020-08-05 11:38:10 AM  

Ishkur: That's what The Matrix was really about. It was one giant systems design metaphor.


My pet theory is that Neo is actually a computer program that got dumped into some random schmuck's meat shell (much like Smith dumped into Bane's meat shell).  He never truly escaped the Matrix because he was never human (hence the cool wifi powers). His purpose was to allow the Oracle to manipulate the humans into choosing to die fighting so that the whole system could reboot.  Someone else posited that every time the Oracle fed him a cookie or some candy it was a software update (much like the Merovingian's orgasmic cake). The scene where he finally refused it in the last movie is when he was growing wise to her tactics. The Oracle isn't malevolent but she is a trickster.

But that's what was kind of fun about the movies. Like Lilly said - if you keep your art vague and "open" enough it can mean many different things to many different people.
 
2020-08-05 11:57:53 AM  
Switch was just gorgeous in that movie. Striking. I wish they had given her more screen time. Plus, she seemed so *cool*. Why did they kill her off so quickly? I mean, couldn't they have created a less-cool character to kill off?

But killing her was effective, I can't argue with that. You wanted to see more of that character, so killing her was a gut-punch.
 
2020-08-05 12:04:47 PM  

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Ishkur: That's what The Matrix was really about. It was one giant systems design metaphor.

My pet theory is that Neo is actually a computer program that got dumped into some random schmuck's meat shell (much like Smith dumped into Bane's meat shell).  He never truly escaped the Matrix because he was never human (hence the cool wifi powers). His purpose was to allow the Oracle to manipulate the humans into choosing to die fighting so that the whole system could reboot.  Someone else posited that every time the Oracle fed him a cookie or some candy it was a software update (much like the Merovingian's orgasmic cake). The scene where he finally refused it in the last movie is when he was growing wise to her tactics. The Oracle isn't malevolent but she is a trickster.


Be prepared to be disappointed by the next film mightily. No one ever made it out of the matrix.
 
2020-08-05 12:20:39 PM  
I think that would be a decidedly anti-trans message.

Neo wasn't really an impeccably dressed kung fu master. That was an illusion. He was actually a pale refugee with a shaved head and filthy clothes who lived in a sewer boat and ate sludge.

If Twitch was a trans woman, then her being a stylish and handsome woman would be an illusion. The reality would be that she was actually a man in filthy clothes, living on a sewer boat and eating sludge with Neo.
 
2020-08-05 12:21:10 PM  
Switch. Damnit
 
2020-08-05 12:31:56 PM  

brizzle365: The 3rd one was useless IMO.


Although I am a fan of big ass robots, I saw big ass robots in the matrix 3 previews and was like hmm nah
 
2020-08-05 12:36:03 PM  

Leishu: turboke: dittybopper: You know what else was a Trans story?

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That film aged so poorly...


Are you kidding?

It's one of the best SIGINT (signals intelligence) films ever made!

It's got frequency hopping, codes, interception, deceptive callsigns, funkspiels....

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THIS FILM HAS *EVERYTHING*!
 
2020-08-05 12:38:12 PM  
One character is trans and so the whole movie is about being trans, ok.

/sarcasm

Ready Player One did the same thing but no one said it's about being trans.

Honestly, I think a character being one gender in the real world and another in the matrix is an interesting concept and wished they explored it. It doesn't automatically make one trans to play a different gender so I would like to explore it more.

But this is the "Word of God" of The Matrix so it's now canon.
 
2020-08-05 12:41:48 PM  
I always thought Switch was a network equipment reference.
 
2020-08-05 1:00:30 PM  
Lilly Wachowski is awesome.
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Lana Wachowski is also awesome. Head's up: It's 30 minutes long but worth it.
Lana Wachowski receives the HRC Visibility Award
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2020-08-05 1:00:46 PM  
I'm probably in the minority here but the Wachowskis have only done two films that were any good - the original Matrix and the film adaptation of V for Vendetta.

The sequels, Cloud Atlas, Jupiter Ascending, Speed Racer, Sense8 - all garbage. I've watched them all in hopes of seeing something awesome - always to be disappointed. Even slogged through Sense8 hoping it would be like TNG and just needed a season or two to find its footing. All a waste of time.
 
2020-08-05 1:02:05 PM  

madgonad: I'm probably in the minority here but the Wachowskis have only done two films that were any good - the original Matrix and the film adaptation of V for Vendetta.

The sequels, Cloud Atlas, Jupiter Ascending, Speed Racer, Sense8 - all garbage. I've watched them all in hopes of seeing something awesome - always to be disappointed. Even slogged through Sense8 hoping it would be like TNG and just needed a season or two to find its footing. All a waste of time.


I had no idea they did anything else :/

Speed racer did suck, however.
 
2020-08-05 1:04:06 PM  

madgonad: I'm probably in the minority here but the Wachowskis have only done two films that were any good - the original Matrix and the film adaptation of V for Vendetta.

The sequels, Cloud Atlas, Jupiter Ascending, Speed Racer, Sense8 - all garbage. I've watched them all in hopes of seeing something awesome - always to be disappointed. Even slogged through Sense8 hoping it would be like TNG and just needed a season or two to find its footing. All a waste of time.


I disagree. I loved Sense8, Bound, and The Animatrix.
 
2020-08-05 1:04:50 PM  

PanicAttack: Lilly Wachowski is awesome.



I would expect a writer to be a little more erudite
 
2020-08-05 1:05:39 PM  

Marcos P: madgonad: I'm probably in the minority here but the Wachowskis have only done two films that were any good - the original Matrix and the film adaptation of V for Vendetta.

The sequels, Cloud Atlas, Jupiter Ascending, Speed Racer, Sense8 - all garbage. I've watched them all in hopes of seeing something awesome - always to be disappointed. Even slogged through Sense8 hoping it would be like TNG and just needed a season or two to find its footing. All a waste of time.

I had no idea they did anything else :/

Speed racer did suck, however.


With the exception of The Matrix their work is so.... middle school. Maybe it was McTeigue's outstanding direction of V that made that so good (that and the cast simply nailed it). That lends some credence to maybe The Matrix was lifted from that nobody writer and Warner Bros had more than enough legal power to silence her in court.
 
2020-08-05 1:05:51 PM  

BafflerMeal: Be prepared to be disappointed by the next film mightily. No one ever made it out of the matrix.


From what I've read of it even the MMO had some interesting ideas to play with in a continuing universe, in the sense that shiat didn't just suddenly get fixed overnight after the end of the third film. Neo and Trinity appearing again could easily be explained that they're literal ghosts in the machine, perhaps that the machines or even Zion kept snapshots of their presences in the Matrix for whatever reason. You could even have multiple versions of them fielded by various factions vying for control of whatever the fark is going on the new film for another angle on the "who are you/what is real aspects of the original.
 
2020-08-05 1:11:38 PM  

Crewmannumber6: PanicAttack: Lilly Wachowski is awesome.


I would expect a writer to be a little more erudite


And a little less globular....

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/Wait, what?
 
2020-08-05 1:19:35 PM  

madgonad: Speed Racer


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Agree on the rest of the films though.
 
2020-08-05 1:24:26 PM  

Gleeman: madgonad: Speed Racer

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Agree on the rest of the films though.


I stand by my original statement
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I did watch the cartoon series as a kid though - it was good.
 
2020-08-05 1:28:08 PM  

madgonad: Gleeman: madgonad: Speed Racer

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Agree on the rest of the films though.

I stand by my original statement
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I did watch the cartoon series as a kid though - it was good.


You could make a case that criticism was perfectly in keeping with the cartoon series.  The movie arguably captured the spirit of the series just fine, it was no Last Airbender or Dragonball Evolution in that respect, it's just that what worked for the series back then didn't work for a movie now.
 
2020-08-05 1:32:29 PM  

Last Man on Earth: madgonad: Gleeman: madgonad: Speed Racer

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Agree on the rest of the films though.

I stand by my original statement
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I did watch the cartoon series as a kid though - it was good.

You could make a case that criticism was perfectly in keeping with the cartoon series.  The movie arguably captured the spirit of the series just fine, it was no Last Airbender or Dragonball Evolution in that respect, it's just that what worked for the series back then didn't work for a movie now.


Isn't a defined 90-120 minute storyline the first thing you should come up with when adapting a TV show that was 20 minute non-linear episodes?
 
2020-08-05 1:33:29 PM  

The Pope of Manwich Village: Or, maybe it was just a decent sci-fi movie with lots of great visual effects and fight scenes with cool weapons and shiat.


You know,."death of the author" is a theory that's ridiculous in both ways, inventing meaning where there isn't, and denying meaning expressed by the author.
 
2020-08-05 1:37:28 PM  

Crewmannumber6: PanicAttack: Lilly Wachowski is awesome.


I would expect a writer to be a little more erudite


Brievity is the soul of wit.
 
2020-08-05 1:44:54 PM  

Ishkur: While there are a lot of themes in The Matrix including the necessity of LGBTQ having to hide in plain sight, the one I like most is the systems design metaphor.

Neo was The One, as in the 1, a true assertion in Boolean logic/computer science.

Any continuously running algorithm of significant complexity will invariably accumulate defects over time, reducing performance. As these bugs and errors manifest with increasing regularity, the probability of a total and complete system crash/failure steadily approaches 1. That's what Neo is: He is the BSOD to end all BSODs that necessitates a complete hard drive wipe and system reinstall from the ROM-BIOS.

The Architect built The Matrix, and except for this small recurring anomaly it is an algorithm of mathematical perfection. He is of course aware of the anomaly so he knows what to do about it when he sees it, which is patch the bug and reboot the system. Apparently he's had to do this six times before Neo came along.

It was the Oracle who alerted him of the anomaly, and that in order to maintain system integrity it was best to flush the anomaly out (ie: free him). Hence, why she helps the humans find the anomaly and why the Architect lets her (and why he needs her around. For some reason, he is not able to find the anomaly himself... probably because he's an OS and she's a debugger tool with Admin rights).

Once the anomaly was flushed out of the system, the debugging tools would fix all the errors and sectors that the anomaly corrupted, and the system would be rebooted again. Before they got around to doing that, however, the anomaly corrupted one of the agent programs, turning it into a virus which subsequently infected the entire system and that farked everything up. No one -- not the Oracle, the Architect, or anyone else in the machine world -- had prepared for that, and they didn't know what to do about it.

That's what The Matrix was really about. It was one giant systems design metaphor. With a little bit of gnostic theology and wushu choreography thrown in for style.


You make me sad.

There were a lot of great discussions and theories in the old IMDB message boards. All destroyed now... 😞
 
2020-08-05 1:46:55 PM  

padraig: Crewmannumber6: PanicAttack: Lilly Wachowski is awesome.


I would expect a writer to be a little more erudite

Brievity is the soul of wit.


Yup
 
2020-08-05 1:51:32 PM  
The first movie, maybe.

The second and third? Hard to say if there was any message that wasn't lost to the writer's strike.
 
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