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(Guardian)   Study rating women with endometriosis by attractiveness has been retracted by authors. After 7 years. With the disclaimer: "We believe that our findings have been partly misinterpreted"   (theguardian.com) divider line
    More: Creepy, Body mass index, Medicine, Physical attractiveness, Woman, Hysterectomy, Endometriosis, Dr Paolo Vercellini, attractiveness of women  
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2020-08-05 10:20:16 AM  
This study is worthless without pics.   Actually having read it, it would still be pretty worthless. 

Although it is mildly ironic how the headline picture for the article is the bare midriff of a conventionally attractive woman.     It pretty much always is for any article on endometriosis, even though such images actually provide no useful illustration of the disease or the symptoms, and even if you think the audience really needs to be shown on the doll where it hurts, they don't need to be near naked to do that.
 
2020-08-05 10:37:51 AM  
Well, that's pretty farked up.

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2020-08-05 10:41:05 AM  
FTFA: The women taking in part in the study had not given their consent to be judged for their attractiveness and did not know this was happening as part of their medical consultations. The study received ethics approval and was publicly funded by the University of Milan school of medicine. The authors asked the women about their sexual history and measured their body mass index, waist-to-hip ratio and breast-to-underbreast ratio. Only Caucasian women were selected for inclusion in the study.

Holy shiat. How did anyone think this was okay?
 
2020-08-05 10:44:05 AM  

meanmutton: FTFA: The women taking in part in the study had not given their consent to be judged for their attractiveness and did not know this was happening as part of their medical consultations. The study received ethics approval and was publicly funded by the University of Milan school of medicine. The authors asked the women about their sexual history and measured their body mass index, waist-to-hip ratio and breast-to-underbreast ratio. Only Caucasian women were selected for inclusion in the study.

Holy shiat. How did anyone think this was okay?


It was for science!!
 
2020-08-05 10:49:34 AM  
I'm usually able to "see the other side" of an issue, but I've arrived at nothing on this one.  How does identifying a "phenotype" help?  Doctors gonna stand on the street looking at the pretty womens go by and say "she might have it... she could have it... Oh, daaaamn!  She's *surely* got it!" ?

"Yo biatch, you got organ pain?"

Seems much useful to do genotyping, figure out what causes it and work on new & actual treatments.
 
2020-08-05 10:52:20 AM  

Dr Jack Badofsky: meanmutton: FTFA: The women taking in part in the study had not given their consent to be judged for their attractiveness and did not know this was happening as part of their medical consultations. The study received ethics approval and was publicly funded by the University of Milan school of medicine. The authors asked the women about their sexual history and measured their body mass index, waist-to-hip ratio and breast-to-underbreast ratio. Only Caucasian women were selected for inclusion in the study.

Holy shiat. How did anyone think this was okay?

It was for science!!


Heh!  No.
 
2020-08-05 11:48:50 AM  
I hooked up with a woman with endometriosis once, but she didn't tell me she had it until afterwards (yes, I'm obviously a master of pillow talk). While I thought she was very attractive, the most attractive thing about her to me, at the time, was that she wanted to sleep with me.
 
2020-08-05 11:51:03 AM  

SansNeural: I'm usually able to "see the other side" of an issue, but I've arrived at nothing on this one.  How does identifying a "phenotype" help?  Doctors gonna stand on the street looking at the pretty womens go by and say "she might have it... she could have it... Oh, daaaamn!  She's *surely* got it!" ?

"Yo biatch, you got organ pain?"

Seems much useful to do genotyping, figure out what causes it and work on new & actual treatments.


Because attractive people are treated differently, which is relevant for environmental causes.  It's a tenuous link, but it is there.
 
2020-08-05 11:58:43 AM  
One in 10 women and other people with a uterus of reproductive age have the disease.

Not to get all JK Rowling here, but is that another way of saying "trans men"?  I suppose it's a valid distinction to make and I guess I can give the Guardian props for being woke about it, but it comes off as clunky writing.  Why not just "one in ten people with a uterus of reproductive age" then?
 
2020-08-05 12:01:38 PM  
Most studies are misinterpreted. Not saying this study was worthwhile.
 
2020-08-05 12:12:14 PM  
People are judged attractive because their features approach average

it's a breeding thing
 
2020-08-05 12:28:58 PM  
Gosh golly, I don't meet their target standard.  I guess all these years non Italian doctors have been pants on fire lying to me about my endo.

As someone who has suffered from severe endo since puberty (I wish I was kidding at the onset age), and dealt with more male doctors than female because that's what was available/in network, depending...

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2020-08-05 1:02:37 PM  
Authors have defended the study, saying that knowing if certain phenotypes - or bodily characteristics - were more susceptible to severe endometriosis would be useful. The lead researcher, Dr Paolo Vercellini... said: "What, are you gay?"  Critics also noted the women's likeness to Italian actress Sophia Loren
 
2020-08-05 2:37:01 PM  

Uzzah: One in 10 women and other people with a uterus of reproductive age have the disease.

Not to get all JK Rowling here, but is that another way of saying "trans men"?  I suppose it's a valid distinction to make and I guess I can give the Guardian props for being woke about it, but it comes off as clunky writing.  Why not just "one in ten people with a uterus of reproductive age" then?


Looks like an example of professional "Virtue Signalling".  Rather than just point out that only people with a uterus can have this issue, which is proper medical statement, they go the extra distance to say "women and other people with a uterus".  That adds no medical knowledge value that I can fathom, so I figure it must be social / political posturing.

Heck, I'm even a paid subscriber to the Guardian and find this example a bit eye-rolling.
 
2020-08-06 1:42:29 AM  

Heamer: I hooked up with a woman with endometriosis once, but she didn't tell me she had it until afterwards (yes, I'm obviously a master of pillow talk). While I thought she was very attractive, the most attractive thing about her to me, at the time, was that she wanted to sleep with me.


Wildest gf I've ever had has endometriosis and PCOS. Her sex drive...I just couldn't match it even at 22, and it got worse (or better?) over the years.
 
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