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2020-08-05 11:25:53 AM  
...except maybe because it is Chinese-owned and you'd be a goddam moron to permit a Chinese government app within 20 yards of your cellphone
 
2020-08-05 2:23:55 PM  

gopher321: ...except maybe because it is Chinese-owned and you'd be a goddam moron to permit a Chinese government app within 20 yards of your cellphone


Pretty much but that is not why Sir Cheez-Whiz in charge wants it banned.

/fees-fees. . .
//nothing more than. . .fee-fees
 
2020-08-05 2:40:37 PM  

The Perineum Falcon: gopher321: ...except maybe because it is Chinese-owned and you'd be a goddam moron to permit a Chinese government app within 20 yards of your cellphone

Pretty much but that is not why Sir Cheez-Whiz in charge wants it banned.

/fees-fees. . .
//nothing more than. . .fee-fees


I heard it was 2 things: punking his Tulsa rally, and Sarah Cooper lip syncing the stupidity that flows from Trump's faceanus.
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/Considering the way the Tulsa rally went, they may have saved lived by keeping people away, and Sarah Cooper is a national treasure!
 
2020-08-05 8:13:48 PM  
It will be so much more secure when Microsoft get their hands on it.
 
2020-08-05 10:30:24 PM  
Why the hell does he think the government should get any part of the money if it's sold?
 
2020-08-05 10:31:03 PM  

gopher321: ...except maybe because it is Chinese-owned and you'd be a goddam moron to permit a Chinese government app within 20 yards of your cellphone


Go back to your Facebook groups
 
2020-08-05 10:31:26 PM  
Where does he get off thinking the US government should get a share of the proceeds of the sale?
 
2020-08-05 10:41:04 PM  

red5ish: Why the hell does he think the government should get any part of the money if it's sold?


Because he let them do it. That is what he said.
 
2020-08-05 10:43:05 PM  

red5ish: Why the hell does he think the government should get any part of the money if it's sold?


Because that's how fascism works
 
2020-08-05 10:44:23 PM  

gopher321: ...except maybe because it is Chinese-owned and you'd be a goddam moron to permit a Chinese government app within 20 yards of your cellphone


Any and everything that is "free" on the internet has to find a way to pay for its existence.

99.9% of the time, it's a data harvesting scheme that has aspirations to use personal data for directed marketing or other similar ways to target individuals for some commercial scheme.

One response to this is to say that it's all inevitable, so go ahead and collect your data on me, use all of your targeted marketing against me, I shall remain myself because I'm unlike the unwashed masses that can be manipulated. I am somehow distinct from the masses and control my own destiny, independent of marketing influences and propaganda because I am AWARE and WOKE. I am not a SHEEP. I am endowed with special and unique abilities that render me unlike  the rest of humanity that are demonstrably influenced by these things.

And actually, that's pretty much the only response because denial is a ubiquitous thing.
 
2020-08-05 10:47:36 PM  

saturn badger: red5ish: Why the hell does he think the government should get any part of the money if it's sold?

Because he let them do it. That is what he said.


The government deciding which companies can and can't operate based on the whims of it's leader. Such free markets! Wow!
 
2020-08-05 10:52:44 PM  
Tik Tok is valued at $50 billion according to TFA. WTF?
 
2020-08-05 11:20:33 PM  

thealgorerhythm: red5ish: Why the hell does he think the government should get any part of the money if it's sold?

Because that's how fascism works


Hey, wow. Someone on fark used the term 'fascism' correctly. I wish I could give you a cookie.
 
2020-08-05 11:22:19 PM  

Likwit: thealgorerhythm: red5ish: Why the hell does he think the government should get any part of the money if it's sold?

Because that's how fascism works

Hey, wow. Someone on fark used the term 'fascism' correctly. I wish I could give you a cookie.


Give a cookie? That's socialism
 
2020-08-05 11:28:42 PM  

thealgorerhythm: red5ish: Why the hell does he think the government should get any part of the money if it's sold?

Because that's how fascism works


I was going to say that's how The Mob works, but to-may-to / to-mar-to.
 
2020-08-05 11:37:46 PM  

gopher321: ...except maybe because it is Chinese-owned and you'd be a goddam moron to permit a Chinese government app within 20 yards of your cellphone


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2020-08-05 11:39:33 PM  

gopher321: ...except maybe because it is Chinese-owned and you'd be a goddam moron to permit a Chinese government app within 20 yards of your cellphone


People voluntarily sharing their user data is how the entire app industry keeps coin in its coffers.  That TikTok is Chinese, as opposed to being a Facebook subsidiary, isn't going to make the data farming go away.
 
2020-08-05 11:40:16 PM  

gopher321: ...except maybe because it is Chinese-owned and you'd be a goddam moron to permit a Chinese government app within 20 yards of your cellphone


As opposed to good ol' American apps, which will just sell the exact same kinds of data to the Chinese government and anyone else who wants it.

I mean, we COULD regulate what corporations are allowed to do with our personal data, thus addressing the actual problem instead of just joining in on President Snowflake's crusade against teenagers mocking him, but that would step on too many wealthy toes.
 
2020-08-05 11:44:59 PM  

wademh: gopher321: ...except maybe because it is Chinese-owned and you'd be a goddam moron to permit a Chinese government app within 20 yards of your cellphone

Any and everything that is "free" on the internet has to find a way to pay for its existence.

99.9% of the time, it's a data harvesting scheme that has aspirations to use personal data for directed marketing or other similar ways to target individuals for some commercial scheme.

One response to this is to say that it's all inevitable, so go ahead and collect your data on me, use all of your targeted marketing against me, I shall remain myself because I'm unlike the unwashed masses that can be manipulated. I am somehow distinct from the masses and control my own destiny, independent of marketing influences and propaganda because I am AWARE and WOKE. I am not a SHEEP. I am endowed with special and unique abilities that render me unlike  the rest of humanity that are demonstrably influenced by these things.

And actually, that's pretty much the only response because denial is a ubiquitous thing.


Are my teeth white enough? Do I smell? How do I ensure there aren't spots on my silverware, Mary Jane is so judgmental. The Silverado really isAmerica's truck. Coke really is better than Pepsi. Plop plop fizz fizz. Lucky Strike Means Fine Tabacco.
 
2020-08-06 12:20:07 AM  

thealgorerhythm: gopher321: ...except maybe because it is Chinese-owned and you'd be a goddam moron to permit a Chinese government app within 20 yards of your cellphone

Go back to your Facebook groups


No this actually goes beyond racially motivated conspiracy theories.  They really are spying on people.  Such as being caught repeatedly copying the contents of your clipboard.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffm​a​n/2020/06/26/warning-apple-suddenly-ca​tches-tiktok-secretly-spying-on-millio​ns-of-iphone-users/

The Department of Defense is concerned enough to ban it.
https://taskandpurpose.com/news/dod-u​n​install-tik-tok
https://www.washingtonpost.com/techno​l​ogy/2019/12/31/us-army-bans-tiktok-mil​itary-devices-signaling-growing-concer​n-about-apps-chinese-roots/

And Wells Fargo instructing employees to remove it.
https://gizmodo.com/wells-fargo-direc​t​s-employees-to-delete-tiktok-184435038​0

Getting the point here?  Now I'm sure that for Trump, it comes down to all the wrong reasons.  I'm sure that casual Facebook racists are a little extra ready to believe any negative thing that seems to confirm their biases.  But there is a basis in reality here.  China's government does a whole lot of very untrustworthy things, and furthermore they're getting rather aggressive lately.  Not to mention lots and lots of terrible things - like setting up concentration camps for Muslims minorities.  I'm sure the racist don't mind that part so bad, but the fact remains that China is an absolute enemy to basic human rights.  This is a government that is not responsive to the will of its citizens, or with any sort of limitation/restrictions.  They don't care about human lives.  They aren't bound by any sense of decency/morality/ethics... only self interest.

They are in fact an inspiration to Trump.  A model of a dystopian tomorrow.  But in comparison, they're far more competent than Trump and his administration.

SyphalisPhlaschly: gopher321: ...except maybe because it is Chinese-owned and you'd be a goddam moron to permit a Chinese government app within 20 yards of your cellphone


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I love the meme, but the comparison is inadequate.  When you think "this is a private company like any other..." well that isn't the case.  Chinese based businesses are never truly independent of China's government.  So the situation is in fact much worse.  Facebook may be working with Trump to some degree where it profits them and that's likely damaging enough.  But consider if you will... imagine Facebook and Google taking direct orders from the Trump Administration.  Imagine this and now you should understand the difference.  Imagine just how dangerous that could be.

For China-based companies, this is the reality.  What China's government orders, their companies do.
 
2020-08-06 12:42:30 AM  
So, I had a temp jorb for the day. I was assembling covid19 testing kits.
Every single thing came from China.
Sleep tight !
 
2020-08-06 12:44:42 AM  

bk3k: thealgorerhythm: gopher321: ...except maybe because it is Chinese-owned and you'd be a goddam moron to permit a Chinese government app within 20 yards of your cellphone

Go back to your Facebook groups

No this actually goes beyond racially motivated conspiracy theories.  They really are spying on people.  Such as being caught repeatedly copying the contents of your clipboard.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffma​n/2020/06/26/warning-apple-suddenly-ca​tches-tiktok-secretly-spying-on-millio​ns-of-iphone-users/

The Department of Defense is concerned enough to ban it.
https://taskandpurpose.com/news/dod-un​install-tik-tok
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technol​ogy/2019/12/31/us-army-bans-tiktok-mil​itary-devices-signaling-growing-concer​n-about-apps-chinese-roots/

And Wells Fargo instructing employees to remove it.
https://gizmodo.com/wells-fargo-direct​s-employees-to-delete-tiktok-184435038​0

Getting the point here?  Now I'm sure that for Trump, it comes down to all the wrong reasons.  I'm sure that casual Facebook racists are a little extra ready to believe any negative thing that seems to confirm their biases.  But there is a basis in reality here.  China's government does a whole lot of very untrustworthy things, and furthermore they're getting rather aggressive lately.  Not to mention lots and lots of terrible things - like setting up concentration camps for Muslims minorities.  I'm sure the racist don't mind that part so bad, but the fact remains that China is an absolute enemy to basic human rights.  This is a government that is not responsive to the will of its citizens, or with any sort of limitation/restrictions.  They don't care about human lives.  They aren't bound by any sense of decency/morality/ethics... only self interest.

They are in fact an inspiration to Trump.  A model of a dystopian tomorrow.  But in comparison, they're far more competent than Trump and his administration.

SyphalisPhlaschly: gopher321: ...except maybe because it is Chinese-owned and you'd be a goddam moron to permit a Chinese government app within 20 yards of your cellphone

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I love the meme, but the comparison is inadequate.  When you think "this is a private company like any other..." well that isn't the case.  Chinese based businesses are never truly independent of China's government.  So the situation is in fact much worse.  Facebook may be working with Trump to some degree where it profits them and that's likely damaging enough.  But consider if you will... imagine Facebook and Google taking direct orders from the Trump Administration.  Imagine this and now you should understand the difference.  Imagine just how dangerous that could be.

For China-based companies, this is the reality.  What China's government orders, their companies do.


Counterpoint: is it really? At least the Chicoms have an ethos. A purpose. 5000 yrs of human history behind them. Zuckerberg is a guy who couldn't get laid in college, and found a way to leverage that desperation to make a buck.
 
2020-08-06 12:45:10 AM  
A government partially owned by the Chinese government says there is no problem with an app partially owned by the Chinese government.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/26/wo​r​ld/australia/politician-home-raid-chin​a-influence.html
I'd post more examples past and present but my phone sucks and reloads this tab every time I go back to it.
 
2020-08-06 12:46:32 AM  

gopher321: ...except maybe because it is Chinese-owned and you'd be a goddam moron to permit a Chinese government app within 20 yards of your cellphone


I am curious how many made in China cellphone parts have something extra installed inside them.
 
2020-08-06 12:46:43 AM  
Misplaced co,,a.
 
2020-08-06 12:46:51 AM  
bk3k:

Imagine this and now you should understand the difference.

The only difference between what happens now and your hypothetical is the number of dollars changing hands in exchange for the data those companies collect on you.
 
2020-08-06 12:53:06 AM  
Let's be honest here. This isn't about infosec. You tell the world you wear ladies underwear and jerk off to cactus porn every time you log on to the internet. This is about Gyna. And their shifty eyes. And the fact that US companies have offshored their manufacturing for the last 40 years for profits and you don't give a shiat because you like to buy cheap shiat and can't possibly find a fault in American exceptionalism. Now, if you'd stone up, and admit that, rather than "but gyna" you might have an argument, but as it stands you're more than happy to get date raped at home and cast the blame on the guy in the next neighborhood over.
 
2020-08-06 12:54:37 AM  
This would be Australia? The country who's intelligence community has basically come out and said that Chinese intelligence is so deeply embedded at all levels of government that it's not even worth trying to do anything about it, especially since they don't have the manpower or resources to even begin to try?

Thanks, but I'll trust cybersecurity experts who almost unanimously say that installing Tik-Tock is a terrible idea.
 
2020-08-06 12:57:28 AM  

Murkanen: gopher321: ...except maybe because it is Chinese-owned and you'd be a goddam moron to permit a Chinese government app within 20 yards of your cellphone

People voluntarily sharing their user data is how the entire app industry keeps coin in its coffers.  That TikTok is Chinese, as opposed to being a Facebook subsidiary, isn't going to make the data farming go away.


TikTok is like Facebook is the new COVID is like influenza.

I've had it explained to me what TikTok does (and can do but don't ...yet) and it's a whole new ball game compared. If Facebook ran the Final Solution then Anne Frank would only have to hide in the attic from demographically targeted ads, TikTok would make that a good long middle term survival strategy.

I won't be equating them until we discover the mass Facebook graves.
 
2020-08-06 12:59:09 AM  

gopher321: ...except maybe because it is Chinese-owned and you'd be a goddam moron to permit a Chinese government app within 20 yards of your cellphone


Are you talking about TikTok or the Austalian economy?
 
2020-08-06 1:03:54 AM  
FWIW, I don't even know what the fark a tick prick is. Nor do I Facebook. There's this amazing thing called a telephone, you can actually make plans to meet your friends in person, and talk. I still wear a mechanical watch. Got no dog in the fight.
 
2020-08-06 1:09:16 AM  

Mi-5: Where does he get off thinking the US government should get a share of the proceeds of the sale?


Haven't you ever seen "Working Girl?"
 
2020-08-06 1:09:18 AM  

Murkanen: bk3k:

Imagine this and now you should understand the difference.

The only difference between what happens now and your hypothetical is the number of dollars changing hands in exchange for the data those companies collect on you.


Negative.  US companies have to follow US laws.  They have legal requirements they have to follow.  They are actually bound in some ways.  Not adequately, no.  But it isn't nothing.  For example Walgreens/CVS/whatever pharmacy likely has much of your medical records/history.  They cannot sell this information.  They cannot transmit it to others without a legitimate medical-care based reason, and therefore they cannot sell this juicy information to others.  They cannot use it themselves for any purpose but to deliver medical care.  The reason is HIPPA.  They have to take consideration towards PHA and PII.  They have an obligation to safeguard it and are liable if they fail to do so.

So when Trump wants to know about Biden's medical history including what prescriptions he may have, he has no legal method to obtain it no matter how much he is willing to pay.  And if China asks, they too will be denied.  At which point they'd likely try to steal the data anyhow, but that's beyond the point.
With China based companies... there is absolutely no such thing.  So your equivalence is a false one.
 
2020-08-06 1:13:17 AM  

bk3k: Murkanen: bk3k:

Imagine this and now you should understand the difference.

The only difference between what happens now and your hypothetical is the number of dollars changing hands in exchange for the data those companies collect on you.

Negative.  US companies have to follow US laws.  They have legal requirements they have to follow.  They are actually bound in some ways.  Not adequately, no.  But it isn't nothing.  For example Walgreens/CVS/whatever pharmacy likely has much of your medical records/history.  They cannot sell this information.  They cannot transmit it to others without a legitimate medical-care based reason, and therefore they cannot sell this juicy information to others.  They cannot use it themselves for any purpose but to deliver medical care.  The reason is HIPPA.  They have to take consideration towards PHA and PII.  They have an obligation to safeguard it and are liable if they fail to do so.

So when Trump wants to know about Biden's medical history including what prescriptions he may have, he has no legal method to obtain it no matter how much he is willing to pay.  And if China asks, they too will be denied.  At which point they'd likely try to steal the data anyhow, but that's beyond the point.
With China based companies... there is absolutely no such thing.  So your equivalence is a false one.


As a random in the US, what is the Chinese government spying on me *really* going to do?

Or is this the part where Red Dawn cosplayers jerk off to InfoSec because they're going to steal ... my selfies and Google searches ... the horror!

Jerkoff.gif
 
2020-08-06 1:19:06 AM  

FarkBucket18: As a random in the US, what is the Chinese government spying on me *really* going to do?


Do you... work for anyone?  Do they have trade secrets?  That's just an example.

Do you bank by phone?  Use Google Pay/Apple Pay?  Shop on Amazon via phone?  Maybe even if the Chinese government doesn't care about your bank account, other criminal actors might find an easy way to use the abilities of other spying apps to help themselves to your IDs and Passwords.  Other information gathered about you could be used to more effectively scam you.  Just more examples.  Don't be an idiot here.
 
2020-08-06 1:20:06 AM  
Frederf:

TikTok is like Facebook is the new COVID is like influenza.

TikTok hasn't killed any Americans through gross negligence so that's a rather absurd comparison.

The privacy issues that TikTok's popularity has made cool to fret about started 30 years ago with the explosion in popularity of social media, and it went out of control with the e-celeb phenomena.  Tech companies have been using your data and usage habits as a product to sell to people who want to use it to develop targetted propaganda aimed at you, for literal decades.  Russia's success in farking up 2016's elections; Brexit and the US election, was the result of Facebook's data mining, as an example, so listening to people whinge about the privacy violations of social media companies 3 decades late just because the current target of social Us vs Them engineering has started to make some money off of it just rings incredibly farking hollow to me.
 
2020-08-06 1:22:13 AM  

bk3k: FarkBucket18: As a random in the US, what is the Chinese government spying on me *really* going to do?

Do you... work for anyone?  Do they have trade secrets?  That's just an example.

Do you bank by phone?  Use Google Pay/Apple Pay?  Shop on Amazon via phone?  Maybe even if the Chinese government doesn't care about your bank account, other criminal actors might find an easy way to use the abilities of other spying apps to help themselves to your IDs and Passwords.  Other information gathered about you could be used to more effectively scam you.  Just more examples.  Don't be an idiot here.


And so could some 14 year old in Moldova. This ain't got shiat to do with the gynese and you damn well know it. If the substance of your argument is Infosec, argue it in good faith. Otherwise you're Steve Gannon carrying water for those who shipped your shiatty ged job to some guy who can do it better than you for $.35 an hr.
 
2020-08-06 1:24:38 AM  
Interestingly enough, there is a Steve Gannon.
 
2020-08-06 1:25:21 AM  

SyphalisPhlaschly: bk3k: FarkBucket18: As a random in the US, what is the Chinese government spying on me *really* going to do?

Do you... work for anyone?  Do they have trade secrets?  That's just an example.

Do you bank by phone?  Use Google Pay/Apple Pay?  Shop on Amazon via phone?  Maybe even if the Chinese government doesn't care about your bank account, other criminal actors might find an easy way to use the abilities of other spying apps to help themselves to your IDs and Passwords.  Other information gathered about you could be used to more effectively scam you.  Just more examples.  Don't be an idiot here.

And so could some 14 year old in Moldova. This ain't got shiat to do with the gynese and you damn well know it. If the substance of your argument is Infosec, argue it in good faith. Otherwise you're Steve Gannon carrying water for those who shipped your shiatty ged job to some guy who can do it better than you for $.35 an hr.


You... haven't actually been following the conversation, and you damn well know it.  For whatever the fark BS you're trying to imply.
 
2020-08-06 1:29:03 AM  
bk3k:

US companies have to follow US laws.

Which sounds like a great point until you discover there aren't any laws in the US to protect consumer data because it's considered the property of the company collecting it on you.
 
DVD
2020-08-06 1:30:05 AM  

SyphalisPhlaschly: bk3k: thealgorerhythm: gopher321: ...except maybe because it is Chinese-owned and you'd be a goddam moron to permit a Chinese government app within 20 yards of your cellphone

Go back to your Facebook groups

No this actually goes beyond racially motivated conspiracy theories.  They really are spying on people.  Such as being caught repeatedly copying the contents of your clipboard.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffma​n/2020/06/26/warning-apple-suddenly-ca​tches-tiktok-secretly-spying-on-millio​ns-of-iphone-users/

The Department of Defense is concerned enough to ban it.
https://taskandpurpose.com/news/dod-un​install-tik-tok
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technol​ogy/2019/12/31/us-army-bans-tiktok-mil​itary-devices-signaling-growing-concer​n-about-apps-chinese-roots/

And Wells Fargo instructing employees to remove it.
https://gizmodo.com/wells-fargo-direct​s-employees-to-delete-tiktok-184435038​0

Getting the point here?  Now I'm sure that for Trump, it comes down to all the wrong reasons.  I'm sure that casual Facebook racists are a little extra ready to believe any negative thing that seems to confirm their biases.  But there is a basis in reality here.  China's government does a whole lot of very untrustworthy things, and furthermore they're getting rather aggressive lately.  Not to mention lots and lots of terrible things - like setting up concentration camps for Muslims minorities.  I'm sure the racist don't mind that part so bad, but the fact remains that China is an absolute enemy to basic human rights.  This is a government that is not responsive to the will of its citizens, or with any sort of limitation/restrictions.  They don't care about human lives.  They aren't bound by any sense of decency/morality/ethics... only self interest.


They are in fact an inspiration to Trump.  A model of a dystopian tomorrow.  But in comparison, they're far more competent than Trump and his administration.

SyphalisPhlaschly: gopher321: ...except maybe because it is Chinese-owned and you'd be a goddam moron to permit a Chinese government app within 20 yards of your cellphone

[Fark user image image 750x570]

I love the meme, but the comparison is inadequate.  When you think "this is a private company like any other..." well that isn't the case.  Chinese based businesses are never truly independent of China's government.  So the situation is in fact much worse.  Facebook may be working with Trump to some degree where it profits them and that's likely damaging enough.  But consider if you will... imagine Facebook and Google taking direct orders from the Trump Administration.  Imagine this and now you should understand the difference.  Imagine just how dangerous that could be.

For China-based companies, this is the reality.  What China's government orders, their companies do.

____


Counterpoint: is it really? At least the Chicoms have an ethos. A purpose. 5000 yrs of human history behind them. Zuckerberg is a guy who couldn't get laid in college, and found a way to leverage that desperation to make a buck.

____

The Chicoms, at least under Mao, tried to erase their 5000 years of human history via the Cultural Revolution.  What we see now is what survived that assault on history.  I would say that the Chinese Communist Party has absolutely NO claim on antiquity after that destruction.

The CCP has also declared, worldwide, that all criticism of them is now illegal under the new security act.  So basically, any word against them makes you a criminal, subject to the demands of extradition, if they so choose.  They're already performing kidnappings against Chinese American citizens.
 
2020-08-06 1:36:41 AM  

Murkanen: bk3k:

US companies have to follow US laws.

Which sounds like a great point until you discover there aren't any laws in the US to protect consumer data because it's considered the property of the company collecting it on you.


I literally pointed to one in detail... and as i also said what we have is inadequate.  The scope of protection needs greatly expanded.  You can make your point without being completely disingenuous here.  We need more protection, and still the comparison is false equivalence.  Deal with a little nuance, eh?  Perhaps admit you where not entirely correct with your point.  Learn, grow, move on and focus on the issues ahead of us instead.  Or double down.  I mean that's your choice really.
 
2020-08-06 1:39:34 AM  

DVD: SyphalisPhlaschly: bk3k: thealgorerhythm: gopher321: ...except maybe because it is Chinese-owned and you'd be a goddam moron to permit a Chinese government app within 20 yards of your cellphone

Go back to your Facebook groups

No this actually goes beyond racially motivated conspiracy theories.  They really are spying on people.  Such as being caught repeatedly copying the contents of your clipboard.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffma​n/2020/06/26/warning-apple-suddenly-ca​tches-tiktok-secretly-spying-on-millio​ns-of-iphone-users/

The Department of Defense is concerned enough to ban it.
https://taskandpurpose.com/news/dod-un​install-tik-tok
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technol​ogy/2019/12/31/us-army-bans-tiktok-mil​itary-devices-signaling-growing-concer​n-about-apps-chinese-roots/

And Wells Fargo instructing employees to remove it.
https://gizmodo.com/wells-fargo-direct​s-employees-to-delete-tiktok-184435038​0

Getting the point here?  Now I'm sure that for Trump, it comes down to all the wrong reasons.  I'm sure that casual Facebook racists are a little extra ready to believe any negative thing that seems to confirm their biases.  But there is a basis in reality here.  China's government does a whole lot of very untrustworthy things, and furthermore they're getting rather aggressive lately.  Not to mention lots and lots of terrible things - like setting up concentration camps for Muslims minorities.  I'm sure the racist don't mind that part so bad, but the fact remains that China is an absolute enemy to basic human rights.  This is a government that is not responsive to the will of its citizens, or with any sort of limitation/restrictions.  They don't care about human lives.  They aren't bound by any sense of decency/morality/ethics... only self interest.


They are in fact an inspiration to Trump.  A model of a dystopian tomorrow.  But in comparison, they're far more competent than Trump and his administration.

SyphalisPhlaschly: gopher321: ...except maybe because it is Chinese-owned and you'd be a goddam moron to permit a Chinese government app within 20 yards of your cellphone

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I love the meme, but the comparison is inadequate.  When you think "this is a private company like any other..." well that isn't the case.  Chinese based businesses are never truly independent of China's government.  So the situation is in fact much worse.  Facebook may be working with Trump to some degree where it profits them and that's likely damaging enough.  But consider if you will... imagine Facebook and Google taking direct orders from the Trump Administration.  Imagine this and now you should understand the difference.  Imagine just how dangerous that could be.

For China-based companies, this is the reality.  What China's government orders, their companies do.

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Counterpoint: is it really? At least the Chicoms have an ethos. A purpose. 5000 yrs of human history behind them. Zuckerberg is a guy who couldn't get laid in college, and found a way to leverage that desperation to make a buck.

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The Chicoms, at least under Mao, tried to erase their 5000 years of human history via the Cultural Revolution.  What we see now is what survived that assault on history.  I would say that the Chinese Communist Party has absolutely NO claim on antiquity after that destruction.

The CCP has also declared, worldwide, that all criticism of them is now illegal under the new security act.  So basically, any word against them makes you a criminal, subject to the demands of extradition, if they so choose.  They're already performing kidnappings against Chinese American citizens.


Eh, I'm not really hip to going to the mat for the Chinese. When I was in grad school there was a cohort sent from the government, inveterate cheaters, the lot. I recruited a South Korean native to proctor their exams. Cool story bro. I just raise an eyebrow at the Bannon/Dugin bullshiat being sprayed here.

Feel free to post pics of your kids at four years old in the kiddie pool because your "social media platform" of choice is based in the US.

I don't really give a shiat.
 
2020-08-06 1:44:31 AM  
bk3k:

I literally pointed to one in detail

Feel free to explain in detail how you think HIPAA is relevant to Twitter or Facebook.
 
2020-08-06 2:14:12 AM  

Murkanen: bk3k:

I literally pointed to one in detail

Feel free to explain in detail how you think HIPAA is relevant to Twitter or Facebook.


That's a mobile goal post there, but I'll play a bit more before bed.  If Twitter/Facebook happens to obtain data covered by HIPPA, then what they do with that data is covered under it too.  And you did say -

Murkanen: Which sounds like a great point until you discover there aren't any laws in the US to protect consumer data because it's considered the property of the company collecting it on you.


And that's a subsection of such data.  So your statement needs revised at the very least.  There is a lot of such data that isn't covered, and that's a problem I think we both agree needs fixed.  Again, you just need to embrace a little nuance.  This isn't binary.  We don't have literally zero protection.  We don't have adequate protection either.

SyphalisPhlaschly: I just raise an eyebrow at the Bannon/Dugin bullshiat being sprayed here.


There isn't any LOL.  I don't even know who Dugin is, but I know who Bannon is.  I'm pretty much opposite of him in every way.  I don't think he'd like me either.  If Bannon has ever said anything remotely close to what facts I'm pointing out, that's merely his broken clock moment and nothing more.  See I'm not a racist, nationalist dickbag who looks like a homeless drunk on a good day, but with half the grace.

Also somehow I don't think Bannon gives two shiats about persecution/slow motion genocide of minority Muslims in China - had you bothered to read then you'd know that I do have a problem with that.  I am not speaking ill about Americans of Asian descent.  I am speaking about the Government of China because of the things they have done and continue to do.  If you're too stupid to see the difference, well that's your problem.
 
2020-08-06 2:19:25 AM  

bk3k: Murkanen: bk3k:

I literally pointed to one in detail

Feel free to explain in detail how you think HIPAA is relevant to Twitter or Facebook.

That's a mobile goal post there, but I'll play a bit more before bed.  If Twitter/Facebook happens to obtain data covered by HIPPA, then what they do with that data is covered under it too.  And you did say -
Murkanen: Which sounds like a great point until you discover there aren't any laws in the US to protect consumer data because it's considered the property of the company collecting it on you.

And that's a subsection of such data.  So your statement needs revised at the very least.  There is a lot of such data that isn't covered, and that's a problem I think we both agree needs fixed.  Again, you just need to embrace a little nuance.  This isn't binary.  We don't have literally zero protection.  We don't have adequate protection either.

SyphalisPhlaschly: I just raise an eyebrow at the Bannon/Dugin bullshiat being sprayed here.

There isn't any LOL.  I don't even know who Dugin is, but I know who Bannon is.  I'm pretty much opposite of him in every way.  I don't think he'd like me either.  If Bannon has ever said anything remotely close to what facts I'm pointing out, that's merely his broken clock moment and nothing more.  See I'm not a racist, nationalist dickbag who looks like a homeless drunk on a good day, but with half the grace.

Also somehow I don't think Bannon gives two shiats about persecution/slow motion genocide of minority Muslims in China - had you bothered to read then you'd know that I do have a problem with that.  I am not speaking ill about Americans of Asian descent.  I am speaking about the Government of China because of the things they have done and continue to do.  If you're too stupid to see the difference, well that's your problem.


I happen to look like a homeless drunk who just woke under a park bench on a good day and take exception to your comparison.

Good day to you sir.

I SAID, GOOD DAY.
 
2020-08-06 2:23:44 AM  

SyphalisPhlaschly: bk3k: Murkanen: bk3k:

I literally pointed to one in detail

Feel free to explain in detail how you think HIPAA is relevant to Twitter or Facebook.

That's a mobile goal post there, but I'll play a bit more before bed.  If Twitter/Facebook happens to obtain data covered by HIPPA, then what they do with that data is covered under it too.  And you did say -
Murkanen: Which sounds like a great point until you discover there aren't any laws in the US to protect consumer data because it's considered the property of the company collecting it on you.

And that's a subsection of such data.  So your statement needs revised at the very least.  There is a lot of such data that isn't covered, and that's a problem I think we both agree needs fixed.  Again, you just need to embrace a little nuance.  This isn't binary.  We don't have literally zero protection.  We don't have adequate protection either.

SyphalisPhlaschly: I just raise an eyebrow at the Bannon/Dugin bullshiat being sprayed here.

There isn't any LOL.  I don't even know who Dugin is, but I know who Bannon is.  I'm pretty much opposite of him in every way.  I don't think he'd like me either.  If Bannon has ever said anything remotely close to what facts I'm pointing out, that's merely his broken clock moment and nothing more.  See I'm not a racist, nationalist dickbag who looks like a homeless drunk on a good day, but with half the grace.

Also somehow I don't think Bannon gives two shiats about persecution/slow motion genocide of minority Muslims in China - had you bothered to read then you'd know that I do have a problem with that.  I am not speaking ill about Americans of Asian descent.  I am speaking about the Government of China because of the things they have done and continue to do.  If you're too stupid to see the difference, well that's your problem.

I happen to look like a homeless drunk who just woke under a park bench on a good day and take exception to your comparison.

Good day to you sir.

I SAID, GOOD DAY.


On another note, what would you advocate then, having so much concern for the Chinese government? A regime change perhaps? Inquiring minds.

And for someone who isn't a white nationalist etc. you certainly have the garble down pat.

You don't know who Dugin is? Lol.
 
2020-08-06 3:11:45 AM  
bk3k:

And that's a subsection of such data.

It's not consumer data. Whinging about people moving goalposts on you rings hollow when you are guilty of trying to change the context of the conversation because you don't have a defensible position otherwise.
 
2020-08-06 3:16:23 AM  
bk3k:

If Twitter/Facebook happens to obtain data covered by HIPPA, then what they do with that data is covered under it too.

And you need to reread HIPAA if you think that's the case.  HIPAA isn't even all that strong against the sharing of medical data by the people who have it as a matter of business; it is very easy to bypass it legitimately without breaking the law.

It protects nothing if that same data is obtained by companies like Google or Facebook.
 
2020-08-06 6:06:15 AM  

The Perineum Falcon: Sir Cheez-Whiz


Lol, Can we make a thread where we all list the names we have for Captain Cheeto?
 
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