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TWX [TotalFark]
2020-08-05 11:19:07 AM  
When was it #1?  Last time I heard anything of it, Germany's was the most useful in the world.
 
2020-08-05 3:03:26 PM  
mine expired a few years back. i was meaning to get it renewed - filled out all the forms and everything, just needed a new photo and send it in.

but at this point - there's really no reason to waste the money. the renewal is good for ten years, but Lord knows how long it's going to take the USA to get their shiat together so we can travel again

/my grandmother was born in Ireland, and a quick check of the Googles says I may be eligible for Irish citizenship
//tempting
 
2020-08-05 4:17:18 PM  

TWX: When was it #1?  Last time I heard anything of it, Germany's was the most useful in the world.


Right there in TFA. Guy cites two different indices, one of which placed the US at #1 as recently as 2015.

poconojoe: /my grandmother was born in Ireland, and a quick check of the Googles says I may be eligible for Irish citizenship
//tempting


I did that because Brexit. You need to provide birth, marriage and death certificates, where appropriate, for each generation going back to your Irish ancestor. In my case, I had to get some copies from my local registry office, which was pretty simple, and then a certain chunk of € for citizenship, then another chunk of € for the passport itself. Took quite a while, but worth it, imo.
 
TWX [TotalFark]
2020-08-05 4:47:31 PM  

iron de havilland: TWX: When was it #1?  Last time I heard anything of it, Germany's was the most useful in the world.

Right there in TFA. Guy cites two different indices, one of which placed the US at #1 as recently as 2015.

poconojoe: /my grandmother was born in Ireland, and a quick check of the Googles says I may be eligible for Irish citizenship
//tempting

I did that because Brexit. You need to provide birth, marriage and death certificates, where appropriate, for each generation going back to your Irish ancestor. In my case, I had to get some copies from my local registry office, which was pretty simple, and then a certain chunk of € for citizenship, then another chunk of € for the passport itself. Took quite a while, but worth it, imo.


We missed an opportunity for our daughter.  My wife's father, born in Boston, could've claimed Irish citizenship through his mother, and then if he'd done that before his granddaughter was born then she likewise could've claimed Irish citizenship.  Unfortunately we missed the opportunity and he's since passed on.  Oh well.  Would've been nice for her to have had an EU passport.
 
2020-08-05 6:03:00 PM  
The idea of investing to gain citizenship and a second passport had me intrigued about the actual cost.

Depending on the country, the investment amount can vary from just over $100,000 (St Lucia and Dominica) to over $2.5 million (Cyprus), plus applicable processing and due diligence fees.

Yeah, I'm out.
 
2020-08-05 6:44:49 PM  
It's down and it's rising?
 
2020-08-05 6:50:37 PM  
Mine expired last month and I didn't even realize. Had a plan to renew but can't see why now.
 
2020-08-05 6:52:09 PM  
As high as #20? Is there any country that will take us now, besides Turkey and Kosovo?
 
2020-08-05 6:53:04 PM  
I never needed no passport and they still let me in foriegn ass Canada the one time. Wouldn't after that cause of the crimes but you don't need some pussy ass passport is my point. An fark canada anyways. McDonald's sucks up there.
 
2020-08-05 6:54:44 PM  
Where are all the cool kids expatriating to these days? I need to know what language to learn before November
 
2020-08-05 6:56:07 PM  

The Headless Horseman's Headless Horse: The idea of investing to gain citizenship and a second passport had me intrigued about the actual cost.

Depending on the country, the investment amount can vary from just over $100,000 (St Lucia and Dominica) to over $2.5 million (Cyprus), plus applicable processing and due diligence fees.

Yeah, I'm out.


In the 80s I had a valid diplomatic passport from a central american country.  Cost me less than $10k
 
2020-08-05 6:57:56 PM  
Buttery males ..
 
2020-08-05 6:59:51 PM  
I did a job for a guy from NI whose kids have three passports - US, UK and Republic of Ireland.

/csb
 
2020-08-05 7:02:27 PM  

TWX: When was it #1?  Last time I heard anything of it, Germany's was the most useful in the world.


Germany is 3rd, along with South Korea, according to this article.
 
2020-08-05 7:05:15 PM  

TWX: When was it #1?  Last time I heard anything of it, Germany's was the most useful in the world.


mom was born in Munich when my grandpa was stationed there. I think  Up until the 90s she could have applied for citizenship.
 
gcc [TotalFark]
2020-08-05 7:05:41 PM  

The Headless Horseman's Headless Horse: The idea of investing to gain citizenship and a second passport had me intrigued about the actual cost.

Depending on the country, the investment amount can vary from just over $100,000 (St Lucia and Dominica) to over $2.5 million (Cyprus), plus applicable processing and due diligence fees.

Yeah, I'm out.


It turns out there are companies which "help" with this. It seems the usual thing is to buy real estate on an absurdly long mortgage, then lease it back to the first party who pays you all but a nominal chunk of the interest. They own the property, issue the mortgage, keep the difference, and presumably rent it to the actual tenants.

The contracts range from granting you essentially no ownership rights at all to being more like a REIT where you could theoretically (but will not practically) earn money on your "investment".

Some of them wanted to secure against an asset in the states. I have no idea how enforceable that would be. All of them required a substantial up front pile of cash, in the $10-25k range.

My assumption is that this would actually be fraud in those countries if the wheels had not been correctly greased, but IANAL.
 
2020-08-05 7:06:40 PM  
Glory to Artsozka!
 
2020-08-05 7:10:43 PM  

Subtonic: I never needed no passport and they still let me in foriegn ass Canada the one time. Wouldn't after that cause of the crimes but you don't need some pussy ass passport is my point. An fark canada anyways. McDonald's sucks up there.


wat jew speck dem ta do ya moran???
 
2020-08-05 7:11:34 PM  

TWX: We missed an opportunity for our daughter.  My wife's father, born in Boston, could've claimed Irish citizenship through his mother, and then if he'd done that before his granddaughter was born then she likewise could've claimed Irish citizenship.  Unfortunately we missed the opportunity and he's since passed on.  Oh well.  Would've been nice for her to have had an EU passport.


Your wife's father had Irish citizenship automatically . Your wife can register and get citizenship, because her father was Irish. But she'd have to register, and since she wasn't a citizen at the time daughter was born then daughter can't get citizenship, but worth considering if you're planning on having another child. But your wife still could, and it could be worth it. I assume it would make it easier for her to bring you and daughter into the EU and get residency. An Irish passport gives you full rights anywhere in the EU and also throughout the UK, even after the UK leaves the EU.
 
2020-08-05 7:12:45 PM  

Thank You Black Jesus!: I did a job for a guy from NI whose kids have three passports - US, UK and Republic of Ireland.

/csb


I've got three, UK, Canadian and Irish. My niece can get five passports....
 
2020-08-05 7:14:21 PM  
I read that as "morbidity" instead of "mobility".

Both could work.
 
2020-08-05 7:15:45 PM  

TWX: When was it #1?  Last time I heard anything of it, Germany's was the most useful in the world.


Man, when living there Germany wouldn't let me get a German passport without giving up my US one..  Now maybe I should have made that trade.
 
2020-08-05 7:15:52 PM  
Between Mrs Shirley and myself, we have three passports (US, Canada & EU) and two residency cards (US & Japan). If things go loud in the US after the election, we have a few places to pick from. We also have a year's worth of food supplies, so if one of you farkers needs anything, I'll be sure to post the location of our stash once we're outta here.
 
2020-08-05 7:23:21 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Thank You Black Jesus!: I did a job for a guy from NI whose kids have three passports - US, UK and Republic of Ireland.

/csb

I've got three, UK, Canadian and Irish. My niece can get five passports....


you don't happen to bear a vague resemblance to hugh laurie by any chance?  asking for a friend who collects passports from people who do.
 
2020-08-05 7:23:24 PM  

lilplatinum: TWX: When was it #1?  Last time I heard anything of it, Germany's was the most useful in the world.

Man, when living there Germany wouldn't let me get a German passport without giving up my US one..  Now maybe I should have made that trade.


There is a way, it's called "Beibehaltungsgenehmigung", though it might just be for German citizens to retain theirs while accepting a second one. The word alone should keep you from trying to attain German citizenship :-)
 
2020-08-05 7:26:35 PM  

gcc: The Headless Horseman's Headless Horse: The idea of investing to gain citizenship and a second passport had me intrigued about the actual cost.

Depending on the country, the investment amount can vary from just over $100,000 (St Lucia and Dominica) to over $2.5 million (Cyprus), plus applicable processing and due diligence fees.

Yeah, I'm out.

It turns out there are companies which "help" with this. It seems the usual thing is to buy real estate on an absurdly long mortgage, then lease it back to the first party who pays you all but a nominal chunk of the interest. They own the property, issue the mortgage, keep the difference, and presumably rent it to the actual tenants.

The contracts range from granting you essentially no ownership rights at all to being more like a REIT where you could theoretically (but will not practically) earn money on your "investment".

Some of them wanted to secure against an asset in the states. I have no idea how enforceable that would be. All of them required a substantial up front pile of cash, in the $10-25k range.

My assumption is that this would actually be fraud in those countries if the wheels had not been correctly greased, but IANAL.


Oh, is that all? Sign me up.
 
2020-08-05 7:27:07 PM  

SurelyShirley: lilplatinum: TWX: When was it #1?  Last time I heard anything of it, Germany's was the most useful in the world.

Man, when living there Germany wouldn't let me get a German passport without giving up my US one..  Now maybe I should have made that trade.

There is a way, it's called "Beibehaltungsgenehmigung", though it might just be for German citizens to retain theirs while accepting a second one. The word alone should keep you from trying to attain German citizenship :-)


But if you can pronounce is perfectly, you should get German citizenship and a passport!
 
2020-08-05 7:30:41 PM  

TWX: When was it #1?  Last time I heard anything of it, Germany's was the most useful in the world.


I've never had an issue with the old Canadian Passport, especially in the US. I was pulled over in Michigan doing about 80 in a rental that wasn't mine. As soon as the Canadian passport came out his hand left the gun and I was free to go. BTW, to answer the cops question-I had no knives, guns or hand grenades... and WTF?
 
2020-08-05 7:31:10 PM  

Turbo Cojones: The Headless Horseman's Headless Horse: The idea of investing to gain citizenship and a second passport had me intrigued about the actual cost.

Depending on the country, the investment amount can vary from just over $100,000 (St Lucia and Dominica) to over $2.5 million (Cyprus), plus applicable processing and due diligence fees.

Yeah, I'm out.

In the 80s I had a valid diplomatic passport from a central american country.  Cost me less than $10k


You bought a diplomatic passport? You weren't working in some kind of foreign service position?
 
2020-08-05 7:31:44 PM  

Kuta: SurelyShirley: lilplatinum: TWX: When was it #1?  Last time I heard anything of it, Germany's was the most useful in the world.

Man, when living there Germany wouldn't let me get a German passport without giving up my US one..  Now maybe I should have made that trade.

There is a way, it's called "Beibehaltungsgenehmigung", though it might just be for German citizens to retain theirs while accepting a second one. The word alone should keep you from trying to attain German citizenship :-)

But if you can pronounce is perfectly, you should get German citizenship and a passport!


the awesome thing about German is that words are pronounced exactly like they're spelled.  By-buh-halt-ungs-guh-NEHM-ig-ung.
 
2020-08-05 7:46:18 PM  

poconojoe: mine expired a few years back. i was meaning to get it renewed - filled out all the forms and everything, just needed a new photo and send it in.

but at this point - there's really no reason to waste the money. the renewal is good for ten years, but Lord knows how long it's going to take the USA to get their shiat together so we can travel again

/my grandmother was born in Ireland, and a quick check of the Googles says I may be eligible for Irish citizenship
//tempting


Are you into middle-aged dudes with Covid beer bellies, by any chance?
 
2020-08-05 7:50:49 PM  

Kuta: SurelyShirley: lilplatinum: TWX: When was it #1?  Last time I heard anything of it, Germany's was the most useful in the world.

Man, when living there Germany wouldn't let me get a German passport without giving up my US one..  Now maybe I should have made that trade.

There is a way, it's called "Beibehaltungsgenehmigung", though it might just be for German citizens to retain theirs while accepting a second one. The word alone should keep you from trying to attain German citizenship :-)

But if you can pronounce is perfectly, you should get German citizenship and a passport!


...and a free Volkswagen!
 
2020-08-05 7:51:09 PM  
Canuck here.  My parents came to Canada as immigrants from  Portugal and were not yet landed immigrants here when I was born. I was able to obtain Portuguese citizenship relatively easily with a single visit to the Portuguese consulate (and lots of documents!) Via marriage my wife and my children by having a Portuguese parent can become Portuguese citizens by paying about $400
 
2020-08-05 7:55:15 PM  

The Headless Horseman's Headless Horse: Turbo Cojones: The Headless Horseman's Headless Horse: The idea of investing to gain citizenship and a second passport had me intrigued about the actual cost.

Depending on the country, the investment amount can vary from just over $100,000 (St Lucia and Dominica) to over $2.5 million (Cyprus), plus applicable processing and due diligence fees.

Yeah, I'm out.

In the 80s I had a valid diplomatic passport from a central american country.  Cost me less than $10k

You bought a diplomatic passport? You weren't working in some kind of foreign service position?


Each and every passport is for sale, diplomatic or national. There is a corrupt state employee in every embassy, consulate or whatever office is in charge of issuing passports. Not saying that the above mentioned diplomatic passport was obtained by "unorthodox" means, of course.
 
2020-08-05 8:03:22 PM  
I've got my NZ citizenship application filled out, to be submitted in a couple of months on the first day of eligibility. Technically my visa is permanent, but laws can change and I'm taking no chances.
 
2020-08-05 8:20:08 PM  

LockeOak: I've got my NZ citizenship application filled out, to be submitted in a couple of months on the first day of eligibility. Technically my visa is permanent, but laws can change and I'm taking no chances.


Good on you. You're correct, laws change. Mrs Shirley was eligible for Canadian citizenship forever, literally since birth, and her uncle urged her to get this process underway, because "laws change". She finally got it done, so that opened up a few more countries for us.
 
2020-08-05 8:28:09 PM  

Advernaut: TWX: When was it #1?  Last time I heard anything of it, Germany's was the most useful in the world.

I've never had an issue with the old Canadian Passport, especially in the US. I was pulled over in Michigan doing about 80 in a rental that wasn't mine. As soon as the Canadian passport came out his hand left the gun and I was free to go. BTW, to answer the cops question-I had no knives, guns or hand grenades... and WTF?


No hand grenades? Heh heh, first time in Michigan, eh? How quaint.
 
2020-08-05 8:43:31 PM  

Subtonic: Advernaut: TWX: When was it #1?  Last time I heard anything of it, Germany's was the most useful in the world.

I've never had an issue with the old Canadian Passport, especially in the US. I was pulled over in Michigan doing about 80 in a rental that wasn't mine. As soon as the Canadian passport came out his hand left the gun and I was free to go. BTW, to answer the cops question-I had no knives, guns or hand grenades... and WTF?

No hand grenades? Heh heh, first time in Michigan, eh? How quaint.


First and last; for the entire USA, actually. Fuq that shiat.
 
2020-08-05 9:09:24 PM  
I doubt most Trump supporters have passports or if they do have more than a single page stamped.
 
2020-08-06 5:03:31 AM  

spiritplumber: Glory to Artsozka!


Cobrastan is best passport.  Is pre-approved!
 
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