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(CNN)   You know who REALLY doesn't love Mitch McConnell's idea of giving employers absolute immunity from lawsuits by their employees who catch Coronavirus at work? The players in the NBA, NFL, NHL, MLB, and MLS, that's who   (cnn.com) divider line
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2020-08-05 10:08:45 AM  
If I were an NBA player, I would get with my team mates as well as the players on the opposing team and agree to wear makes and stay six feet away on the court the entire game.  Would make stealing the ball and blocking shots quite difficult (not to mention rebounding)
 
2020-08-05 10:39:06 AM  
I don't understand a lot of things Mitch does but I'm seriously struggling to figure out his reasoning on this immunity stuff. Yes I know the point and I know it's the evilest thing he could think of... all par for the course. But can you legislate away OSHA like this? Can you pass a law to give roofing companies some tax dollars but also say any roofing company may not be sued for any injury resulting from faulty safety equipment? Can you sneak a clause into a relief bill that makes it so linemen can't sue utilities for giving them gloves full of holes?
 
2020-08-05 12:14:45 PM  

SoupGuru: I don't understand a lot of things Mitch does but I'm seriously struggling to figure out his reasoning on this immunity stuff. Yes I know the point and I know it's the evilest thing he could think of... all par for the course. But can you legislate away OSHA like this? Can you pass a law to give roofing companies some tax dollars but also say any roofing company may not be sued for any injury resulting from faulty safety equipment? Can you sneak a clause into a relief bill that makes it so linemen can't sue utilities for giving them gloves full of holes?


People assume the US goverment works like a DOS prompt, where an invalid input will be rejected. It's not. It's a loosely held together system when the legislative branch can do literally anything it wants and if the executive branch approves (or of there a majority standard met) we all live under it as law. At least until someone challenges it in court, which is a long and lenghty process that can backfire.

It is a shiat system that is easily taken advantage by bad-faith players.
 
2020-08-05 12:51:13 PM  

SoupGuru: I don't understand a lot of things Mitch does but I'm seriously struggling to figure out his reasoning on this immunity stuff. Yes I know the point and I know it's the evilest thing he could think of... all par for the course. But can you legislate away OSHA like this? Can you pass a law to give roofing companies some tax dollars but also say any roofing company may not be sued for any injury resulting from faulty safety equipment? Can you sneak a clause into a relief bill that makes it so linemen can't sue utilities for giving them gloves full of holes?



IANAL, but I would say anything they granted through legislation, they can take away.  So, yes, they can say linemen can't sue for being asked to stand in a bucket of water while working.
 
2020-08-05 4:04:50 PM  
What are those broke-ass nobodies gonna do about it?
 
2020-08-05 4:05:32 PM  
I am shocked that Mitch McConnell is taking the side of the "owners"

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/oh wait, they *do* call themselves owners (of other humane
 
2020-08-05 4:07:16 PM  
Shut up and dribble.
 
2020-08-05 4:08:05 PM  
If I were a pro athlete I would be home relaxing. "What's that, you want me to play a child's game for your entertainment during a pandemic; how about FU?"
 
2020-08-05 4:08:44 PM  
To say nothing of the NLCAB.

(the National League of Competitive Apple-Bobbing)
 
2020-08-05 4:11:30 PM  

SoupGuru: But can you legislate away OSHA like this?


Yes.  No Congress can prevent a later Congress from passing a law.  And OSHA is governed by a law.  Pass another one and it invalidates or modifies the earlier law.  It would be shiatty, and evil, and shortsighted, but unless you are saying the 91st Congress was somehow more of Congress than all other ones, there is nothing to stop it.
 
2020-08-05 4:11:43 PM  
Moscow Mitch wanted to remove a road-block for rich business owners to force their employees back to work so that he could argue unemployeement wasn't so bad and look a little less like a so-so-Satan doing it.  He was hoping that his constituents wouldn't notice when 2% of them were dead and 5% of them had chronic health issues and disabilities.  He should be kissing the ass of governors who shut down their states because it could be a lot worse and Mitch Putinslittlevic could be forced to make even worse choices.
 
2020-08-05 4:13:02 PM  

SoupGuru: I don't understand a lot of things Mitch does but I'm seriously struggling to figure out his reasoning on this immunity stuff. Yes I know the point and I know it's the evilest thing he could think of... all par for the course. But can you legislate away OSHA like this? Can you pass a law to give roofing companies some tax dollars but also say any roofing company may not be sued for any injury resulting from faulty safety equipment? Can you sneak a clause into a relief bill that makes it so linemen can't sue utilities for giving them gloves full of holes?


It's all about maintaining his grip on power.  Nothing more, nothing less.  With total immunity, employers can force people back to work to improve the GOP numbers leading up to the election, and replace those who won't go back under those conditions with someone who's hungrier.  Those that quit are inelliigible for unemployment benefits.  Unemployment goes down, unemployment benefits go down and big donor employers are happy.
 
2020-08-05 4:13:24 PM  
Mitch is in lock-step with Trump about "opening up America."  He is of the mind that if you remove the legal liability from employers, they will be more likely to order people back to work, because there would be no reason not to.  If you are a worker who says "i dont want to work-covid," they can say, good, youre fired.  Or they can have you sign a document saying you wont hold them accountable.  this basically says that they dont even have to have you sign a document.
 
2020-08-05 4:14:21 PM  
Oh no!  Are the overgrown, coddled children who make millions of dollars and enjoy so much fame sad about something?

Who the fark cares?  You want the money, throw the sportsball.
 
2020-08-05 4:15:08 PM  

tjsands1118: SoupGuru: I don't understand a lot of things Mitch does but I'm seriously struggling to figure out his reasoning on this immunity stuff. Yes I know the point and I know it's the evilest thing he could think of... all par for the course. But can you legislate away OSHA like this? Can you pass a law to give roofing companies some tax dollars but also say any roofing company may not be sued for any injury resulting from faulty safety equipment? Can you sneak a clause into a relief bill that makes it so linemen can't sue utilities for giving them gloves full of holes?

People assume the US goverment works like a DOS prompt, where an invalid input will be rejected. It's not. It's a loosely held together system when the legislative branch can do literally anything it wants and if the executive branch approves (or of there a majority standard met) we all live under it as law. At least until someone challenges it in court, which is a long and lenghty process that can backfire.

It is a shiat system that is easily taken advantage by bad-faith players.


And the GOP will talk about all they did to protect the workers of the USA cause this is a good law or some BS. Years ago my job put in a new break rule where we were forced to take two 15 min breaks a day but we couldn't tack them on to lunch, we wouldn't get paid for them and a whole host of other BS. They back peddled that one a few days later when a bunch of people started to hand in their 2 week notices and stated that as the reason.
 
2020-08-05 4:16:02 PM  
if you don't return to work you can't collect unemployment
if you return to work you can't collect unemployment

/what's so hard to understand about this
 
2020-08-05 4:16:20 PM  
It would appear from TFA that it's the players' unions that are objecting, not the leagues.
 
2020-08-05 4:18:14 PM  
Guys, that moldy spud someone left in the cupboard has sprouted. Whose turn was it to clean the pantry?
 
2020-08-05 4:22:44 PM  

The Perineum Falcon: If I were an NBA player, I would get with my team mates as well as the players on the opposing team and agree to wear makes and stay six feet away on the court the entire game.  Would make stealing the ball and blocking shots quite difficult (not to mention rebounding)


So, a typical West Coast game from the 80s?
 
2020-08-05 4:24:37 PM  

KingOfTown: Guys, that moldy spud someone left in the cupboard has sprouted. Whose turn was it to clean the pantry?


Let's turn him into mashed potatoes and dump him on the "president's" head during dinner.
I hear Trump hates that...
 
2020-08-05 4:29:31 PM  

The Perineum Falcon: If I were an NBA player, I would get with my team mates as well as the players on the opposing team and agree to wear makes and stay six feet away on the court the entire game.  Would make stealing the ball and blocking shots quite difficult (not to mention rebounding)


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2020-08-05 4:32:28 PM  

RussianPotato: Oh no!  Are the overgrown, coddled children who make millions of dollars and enjoy so much fame sad about something?

Who the fark cares?  You want the money, throw the sportsball.


Two things:

First, don't smart your own posts.

Second,

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2020-08-05 4:35:17 PM  
"No bill will pass the Senate without liability protection for everyone related to the coronavirus," the Kentucky Republican said last month. "Nobody should have to face an epidemic of lawsuits on the heels of the pandemic that we already have related to the coronavirus."

Richest American political donors and corporate executives getting hit with an "epidemic of lawsuits" for grossly negligent practices during a pandemic = bad.

Poorest working Americans getting hit with an epidemic of medical bills (assuming they survive) because they were forced to go to work during a pandemic and denied access to adequate healthcare = just the cost of doing business.
 
2020-08-05 4:46:37 PM  
It's all part of McConnell's long game.
He is using this as a stepping stone to further his power. He's taking away the employee's rights and safety. He's also removing the obstacle of lawsuits against the wealthy company owners. His ultimate goal is to dismantle Social Security as well as Medicare and Medicaid.
Mitch McConnell is deadlier to this nation than the Coronavirus is.
 
2020-08-05 5:10:47 PM  
Yep. It needs to be common sense. If an employer does everything that they can to comply with safety guidelines, they shouldn't get sued by someone who gets sick at work and wants to make some quick cash, because you know it will happen. If, OTOH, an employer ISN'T following safety guidelines, they should be fair game. Total immunity is totally BS. But so is suing a company that does everything it can. Like everything else in this country, limits and common sense need to rule the day, and like normal, they won't even be considered. It's gonna be all or nothing.
 
2020-08-05 5:12:11 PM  
Sure, Cocaine Mitch. Your employer is forcing you to work in potentially unsafe conditions but isn't responsible for putting you in those unsafe conditions and therefore isn't responsible if you get sick. Does that about sum up your idiocy?
 
2020-08-05 5:38:14 PM  
I'm okay with limited liability protection. If the employer is following all CDC guidelines and best practices ( required masks, social distancing, temperature checks, sick leave for suspected cases to self quarantine) they shouldn't be held liable for things beyond their control. However I want to see triple damages as punitive damages for any employer who was not following said guidelines. Do the right thing and you're protected. Screw around and help the diease spread and you're punished.
 
2020-08-05 6:00:15 PM  
mitch is literally the only person pushing this.

Who does he know who is about to kill off a bunch of people
 
2020-08-05 6:07:14 PM  

brizzle365: mitch is literally the only person pushing this.

Who does he know who is about to kill off a bunch of people


All companies (big and small) are terrified of lawsuits, even if they follow CDC guidelines (which evolve on a daily basis).

There needs to be some immunity for companies that follow a set of rules.

However, blanket immunity is designed so companies can force employees into unsafe work conditions (a.k.a Die for the Dow)
 
2020-08-05 7:28:50 PM  

SoupGuru: I don't understand a lot of things Mitch does but I'm seriously struggling to figure out his reasoning on this immunity stuff. Yes I know the point and I know it's the evilest thing he could think of... all par for the course. But can you legislate away OSHA like this? Can you pass a law to give roofing companies some tax dollars but also say any roofing company may not be sued for any injury resulting from faulty safety equipment? Can you sneak a clause into a relief bill that makes it so linemen can't sue utilities for giving them gloves full of holes?


He's a greedy, stubborn old coot that takes pleasure in cruelty.  And the residents of Kentucky are severely lacking in critical thinking skills.
 
2020-08-05 8:31:08 PM  
I dunno, all these players have agents. Who, could get together, and "suggest" collective bargaining. Or not. I do not know how chummy the agents are with the owners. Players could join a union, perhaps the restaurant workers union in Nevada?
 
2020-08-05 9:35:56 PM  

Artist: I dunno, all these players have agents. Who, could get together, and "suggest" collective bargaining. Or not. I do not know how chummy the agents are with the owners. Players could join a union, perhaps the restaurant workers union in Nevada?


They have unions. That's who these "players' associations" who are objecting are.
 
2020-08-05 10:34:27 PM  

g.fro: Artist: I dunno, all these players have agents. Who, could get together, and "suggest" collective bargaining. Or not. I do not know how chummy the agents are with the owners. Players could join a union, perhaps the restaurant workers union in Nevada?

They have unions. That's who these "players' associations" who are objecting are.


Huh.....and yet, it's come to this. I wonder how COVID will change sports.
 
2020-08-06 4:57:55 PM  

Mikey1969: Yep. It needs to be common sense. If an employer does everything that they can to comply with safety guidelines, they shouldn't get sued by someone who gets sick at work and wants to make some quick cash, because you know it will happen. If, OTOH, an employer ISN'T following safety guidelines, they should be fair game. Total immunity is totally BS. But so is suing a company that does everything it can. Like everything else in this country, limits and common sense need to rule the day, and like normal, they won't even be considered. It's gonna be all or nothing.


Difficulty:

There are precisely zero businesses in the US doing "everything they can" to protect employees/consumers.
 
2020-08-06 5:13:53 PM  

emtwo: Mikey1969: Yep. It needs to be common sense. If an employer does everything that they can to comply with safety guidelines, they shouldn't get sued by someone who gets sick at work and wants to make some quick cash, because you know it will happen. If, OTOH, an employer ISN'T following safety guidelines, they should be fair game. Total immunity is totally BS. But so is suing a company that does everything it can. Like everything else in this country, limits and common sense need to rule the day, and like normal, they won't even be considered. It's gonna be all or nothing.

Difficulty:

There are precisely zero businesses in the US doing "everything they can" to protect employees/consumers.


There are plenty that have been far more focused on safety than the government agencies. I don't mean a decontamination shower for every person entering the building, I mean measures like Costco has implemented, that is a very acceptable level of striving towards safety, and I think that is a company that should be protected. Tesla, OTOH? They would be ones that could be sued in my scenario...
 
2020-08-06 5:53:15 PM  

Mikey1969: emtwo: Mikey1969: Yep. It needs to be common sense. If an employer does everything that they can to comply with safety guidelines, they shouldn't get sued by someone who gets sick at work and wants to make some quick cash, because you know it will happen. If, OTOH, an employer ISN'T following safety guidelines, they should be fair game. Total immunity is totally BS. But so is suing a company that does everything it can. Like everything else in this country, limits and common sense need to rule the day, and like normal, they won't even be considered. It's gonna be all or nothing.

Difficulty:

There are precisely zero businesses in the US doing "everything they can" to protect employees/consumers.

There are plenty that have been far more focused on safety than the government agencies. I don't mean a decontamination shower for every person entering the building, I mean measures like Costco has implemented, that is a very acceptable level of striving towards safety, and I think that is a company that should be protected. Tesla, OTOH? They would be ones that could be sued in my scenario...


Costco is probably the best example you could have picked, because they certainly seem to be doing more than anyone else. REI is pretty good, too.

But the best examples we can find still are not doing enough. Your standards for "very acceptable level of striving towards safety" are very low, and it's the reason so many people are dying. Not that it's your personal fault, but because of the fact that we as a general population find that above expectations.
 
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