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    More: Interesting, Heart, Blood, Tetrahydrocannabinol, Artery, Myocardial infarction, Stroke, Cannabis, heart attacks  
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2020-08-05 12:19:31 PM  
You know what. I totally believe it. But I'm as less likely to quit smoking weed than I am to give up fatty food and soda.
 
2020-08-05 12:39:51 PM  
Given the absolute lack of quantification in the article and that they wait until the end of the article to mention this is based on "short-term, observational and retrospective studies, which identify trends but do not prove cause and effect", this article essentially says nothing meaningful whatsoever.
 
2020-08-05 12:45:34 PM  

snarfblam: Given the absolute lack of quantification in the article and that they wait until the end of the article to mention this is based on "short-term, observational and retrospective studies, which identify trends but do not prove cause and effect", this article essentially says nothing meaningful whatsoever.


Which makes it perfect to talk about while smoking weed.
 
2020-08-05 1:04:18 PM  
They may be right.  They're also highly misleading.  One brief example:

Smoking weed has triggered heart attacks, a higher risk of strokes and heart failure in people with underlying heart disease, studies show.

In comparison, CBD, or cannabidiol, one of the other 80 chemicals in cannabis, does not give the "high" typically associated with THC. Nor does it appear to cause harm to the heart.


They're trying to compare the risks of THC (and its scare-quotes "high") plus combustion products to the risks of straight (as well as "straight") CBD.  Might as well compare apples and orangutans.

TL;DR:  Consuming cannabis may carry potential health risks, but we haven't been allowed to do the actual research needed to quantify or even verify these risks, so here are some anecdotes and misleading comparisons to help confuse things and maybe scare a few more people who slept through science class.
 
2020-08-05 1:10:04 PM  
Thats why I throw a few beans in my joints
 
2020-08-05 1:11:51 PM  
Inhaling smoke is not good for you.
Try edibles.
 
2020-08-05 1:45:41 PM  

snarfblam: Given the absolute lack of quantification in the article and that they wait until the end of the article to mention this is based on "short-term, observational and retrospective studies, which identify trends but do not prove cause and effect", this article essentially says nothing meaningful whatsoever.


Pretty much. I love this little gem (emphasis added):

"The statement found using weed has "the potential to interfere with prescribed medications" as well as "trigger cardiovascular conditions or events, such as heart attacks and strokes," said clinical pharmacologist Robert Page II, who chaired the medical writing group for the statement."

Weed use also has the potential to make you grown two heads, or possibly invoke The Old Ones From Beyond The Stars, Time, And Space to eat all of humanity, but neither possibility is terribly likely.

Any pronouncement from anyone who suggests that "X has the potential to do Y" and is not accompanied by at least some quantification based on evidence is a Scare Pronouncement and not to be taken seriously.

In other words, as regards Teh Debil Lettuce, nothing new, and it must be a day ending in Y. Moar Drug Warrior bullshiat.
 
2020-08-05 1:47:09 PM  

I Like Bread: Inhaling smoke is not good for you.
Try edibles.


I have, you have to eat like 15-20 bucks worth of edibles to get to the same place as a few tokes.
At least in my experience.
 
2020-08-05 2:07:44 PM  
So the article starts with "those who smoke or vape cannabis products..."   the proceeds to list findings from studies that used smoke.
 
2020-08-05 2:13:22 PM  

DMDmarty: I Like Bread: Inhaling smoke is not good for you.
Try edibles.

I have, you have to eat like 15-20 bucks worth of edibles to get to the same place as a few tokes.
At least in my experience.


Bummer, some people just get shortchanged that way -- takes my best friend like 40mg to even feel the effects. Meanwhile, I'm buzzed on 5 and flying on 10.
 
2020-08-05 2:13:59 PM  

DMDmarty: I Like Bread: Inhaling smoke is not good for you.
Try edibles.

I have, you have to eat like 15-20 bucks worth of edibles to get to the same place as a few tokes.
At least in my experience.


Make your own
 
2020-08-05 2:20:18 PM  

DMDmarty: I Like Bread: Inhaling smoke is not good for you.
Try edibles.

I have, you have to eat like 15-20 bucks worth of edibles to get to the same place as a few tokes.
At least in my experience.


plus you gotta wait forever
 
2020-08-05 3:06:31 PM  

DMDmarty: I Like Bread: Inhaling smoke is not good for you.
Try edibles.

I have, you have to eat like 15-20 bucks worth of edibles to get to the same place as a few tokes.
At least in my experience.


Try my recipe:

1- One to three ounces of trim to one pound of butter. *
(Grind trim in a coffee grinder to get "gritty" semi-powder.)
2- Place butter and ground trim into crock pot.
3- Add water sufficient (along with the pound of butter) to fill a large hard plastic water pitcher.
4- Put on HIGH for 2 hours, then put it down to LOW for 6 hours.
5- Ladle out and filter through a large (fits over opening of pitcher) wire mesh strainer into the pitcher.
6- Use a sturdy spoon to press out as much liquid as possible.
7- Save the pressed trim in a bowl.
8- When all trim is pressed and crockpot is empty, use a potato ricer (Target has a good one) to get the
  last of the butter out of the pressed trim.
9- Toss the pressed/squeezed trim.**

10- Place pitcher into fridge, allow to settle overnight.
(You will have about an inch of solid green butter on top of dirty water with some crap at the pitcher bottom.)
11- Using reversed (serrated edge to rear)*** butterknife, go around butter perimeter and remove from pitcher.
12- Use butterknife to carefully remove any solid matter on the bottom of the solid butter.
   (Better to remove LESS rather than too much and lose butter.)
   (If your cannabutter disk is cold enough, the solid matter may separate off in flat chunks.)
13- Heat cleaned disk of butter in a saucepan filled with water until liquidfied.
14- Thoroughly clean and wash pitcher while butter is re-liquifying.
15- Pour water and butter back into pitcher.

16- Repeat steps 10 through 15 until butter is a dark pastel green and water is CLEAR.
   (This generally will take two to three cycles.)

17- Your healthy, great-tasting, (relatively) impurity-free, and potent cannabutter is now ready. I generally get
    about 10 to 11 ounces from a starting pound of butter.
    (The rest is left in the used trim, evaporated, or left as film on the sides of the pan and utensils used.)

18- Use in recipes as you would regular butter, keeping in mind that (depending on the strain of the trim used,
    the ounces of trim used, and length of crockpot cook) it may either knock you on your farking ass or make
   you want to clean the house all night long.****

* Depending on the strength of the trim, one ounce is generally sufficient. If you are brave and/or foolish, you can try two. If insane or a very serious stoner, try three.

** I am not aware of any use for used trim, and am open to ideas. Seems a shame to just toss it.

*** This avoids scratching the plastic side of the pitcher.

**** I use four ounces of cannabutter when making Krusteaz Chocolate Chunk or Snickerdoodle cookie bars. Use an 8x8 glass pan and follow box directions. Cut into 16 squares. ONE square is generally too much for me, so I eat only half a square at one time. Lasts pretty much all day.
 
2020-08-05 3:17:23 PM  
The 22-page full report is available for free (as a PDF) here: https://www.ahajournals.org/doi​/pdf/10​.1161/CIR.0000000000000883

It's a reasonably comprehensive look at what is known and unknown about cannabinoids and cannabis on specifically cardiovascular health. They outline lines of evidence that suggest potential risk factors clinicians should know about and make the clear call for more and better research to provide better guidance. All in all, pretty reasonable stuff that's only controversial if you reject the idea that cannabis could have some undesirable health effects...

The CNN headline would be better written as Cannabis could have negative side effects that affect your heart, but we don't have enough research to be sure.
 
2020-08-05 3:47:55 PM  

duppy: DMDmarty: I Like Bread: Inhaling smoke is not good for you.
Try edibles.

I have, you have to eat like 15-20 bucks worth of edibles to get to the same place as a few tokes.
At least in my experience.

Bummer, some people just get shortchanged that way -- takes my best friend like 40mg to even feel the effects. Meanwhile, I'm buzzed on 5 and flying on 10.


I have some 75mg gummies and one gets me there but just kinda low grade.

HARLEE:
I Would dearly love to try that recipe and will keep it for when I finally move to colorado.
 
2020-08-05 3:49:53 PM  

Harlee: **** I use four ounces of cannabutter when making Krusteaz Chocolate Chunk or Snickerdoodle cookie bars. Use an 8x8 glass pan and follow box directions. Cut into 16 squares. ONE square is generally too much for me, so I eat only half a square at one time. Lasts pretty much all day.


Therein lies the rub.  Many adults rarely have "all day" free.  It's why you get all your crap done and then have some drinks at the end of the day.
 
2020-08-05 3:51:34 PM  

tjsands1118: You know what. I totally believe it. But I'm as less likely to quit smoking weed than I am to give up fatty food and soda.


weed is so, like, cool man.
 
2020-08-05 6:25:43 PM  
Just eat more beans, duh.
 
2020-08-05 6:42:11 PM  

Explodo: Harlee: **** I use four ounces of cannabutter when making Krusteaz Chocolate Chunk or Snickerdoodle cookie bars. Use an 8x8 glass pan and follow box directions. Cut into 16 squares. ONE square is generally too much for me, so I eat only half a square at one time. Lasts pretty much all day.

Therein lies the rub.  Many adults rarely have "all day" free.  It's why you get all your crap done and then have some drinks at the end of the day.



People who have "all day" free are just more effectively balancing their time and productivity.
Working from home seems to be making balancing work/life that much easier.
Have you tried the Pomodoro technique? 
Work for 25 minutes, take a 5 minute bong break.
Repeat four times, and then sesh on dabs for 15-30 minutes.
There's a lot you can get done stoned as long as you set realistic goals and work in chunks.
 
2020-08-05 9:53:25 PM  
Makes me wonder if they are setting up an crackdown on legal weed if Biden is elected.
 
2020-08-06 4:51:30 AM  
There is an "urgent" need for "carefully designed, prospective short- and long-term studies regarding cannabis use and cardiovascular safety," Page added.But that's tough to do in today's climate, because marijuana is classified as a Schedule I controlled substance by the US Drug Enforcement Agency. That limits research dramatically, and the DEA should remove those restrictions so that scientists can better study marijuana's effects, the group advised


Yes please! This is the best route. Restrictions on cannabis research are anti-science, and it needs to happen by now. Figuring out what happens to our systems with cannabis seems logical.
 
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