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2020-08-05 9:23:01 AM  
And I am not doing this to be "that guy"... but

Holy Shiat Google had a streaming music service?
 
2020-08-05 9:51:41 AM  
Will I finally be able to uninstall the crapp from my phone?
 
2020-08-05 9:57:46 AM  

Sorelian's Ghost: And I am not doing this to be "that guy"... but

Holy Shiat Google had a streaming music service?


Yeah, it was (is) pretty good.  I had my CD rips in Amazon and Google.  Amazon has since dropped the ability to upload your own and Google is about to stop as well.  Neither has the set of music I want in full.

Guess I'll just go with Plex music then.
 
2020-08-05 10:15:13 AM  
So like am I not going to be able to use it anymore to play stuff I paid for elsewhere?

The only music I have on my phone are the soundtracks for Hotline Miami 1 and 2 and Katana Zero.
 
2020-08-05 10:18:57 AM  
I'd used MediaMonkey for years and YEARS to play my personal collection, running it from an external drive, but with the size of my library and such it was a minor hassle. Plus I was mostly tied to the desktop. I wanted more flexible access.

With that in mind, I uploaded a portion of my library, all my 'essentials,' to Google Play Music a year or so ago and have used it heavily since. I don't use their streaming, just my uploaded stuff. It's been great. Our whole household uses it. It has become my go-to player.

I knew this was coming, though. Sucks that the time has come!

My one hope is that the plan is still to transfer your files to Youtube Music. That's what Google initially said would happen. Don't know if it still will. If it is, so be it. As long as it works somewhat the same, I'm good.

Otherwise, I'm not sure how I'll handle it. I tried adding my music to Plex once, but Plex kind of sucks for music. The database gets WAY too huge, it sucks as reading user tags, browsing is slow, among other issues. I do not recommend.

I've been looking into Subsonic or Airsonic, which seem Plex-like but streamline and geared totally around music.

Guess I'll have to make that decision soon.
 
2020-08-05 10:20:59 AM  

Marcos P: So like am I not going to be able to use it anymore to play stuff I paid for elsewhere?


When they first started moving to YouTube Music, they promised that user uploads would be made available on the new platform. Let's see if they follow through with that. Overall though, I like YouTube Music, and I like that I get ad-free YouTube as part of the subscription.
 
2020-08-05 10:22:09 AM  
I keep CD's in the car. They sound better anyway, and I don't have to listen to that Tide commercial anymore.
 
2020-08-05 10:28:01 AM  

shut_it_down: Marcos P: So like am I not going to be able to use it anymore to play stuff I paid for elsewhere?

When they first started moving to YouTube Music, they promised that user uploads would be made available on the new platform. Let's see if they follow through with that. Overall though, I like YouTube Music, and I like that I get ad-free YouTube as part of the subscription.


I did the cutover to YT Music and my uploads wee carried over.  I thought uploads were going to be deleted eventually but maybe not.
 
2020-08-05 10:29:34 AM  

enry: Guess I'll just go with Plex music then.


In a DRM world, running your own is really the only reliable option.

As far as GPM being pretty good, eh
 
2020-08-05 10:37:08 AM  
It Really Whips the Llama's Ass
 
2020-08-05 10:37:29 AM  
I use a music service that none of you have ever heard of before and also play obscure music that I ripped from a place you have never heard of.
 
2020-08-05 10:37:56 AM  

enry: shut_it_down: Marcos P: So like am I not going to be able to use it anymore to play stuff I paid for elsewhere?

When they first started moving to YouTube Music, they promised that user uploads would be made available on the new platform. Let's see if they follow through with that. Overall though, I like YouTube Music, and I like that I get ad-free YouTube as part of the subscription.

I did the cutover to YT Music and my uploads wee carried over.  I thought uploads were going to be deleted eventually but maybe not.


Huh! I didn't realize they had a utility to transfer stuff now. They didn't when I started using YouTube Music, so I should give it a go. Hopefully it transfers the songs I actually uploaded and not the weird "eh close enough" versions it sometimes plays for me. [Looking at you, Russian remix Aaliyah album and non-rap No Scrubs]
 
2020-08-05 10:37:57 AM  
Old nerd here - I buy "albums", and have never paid for streaming music. I can't tell if this means the Play music store is shutting down too? I've bought some there, and still usually compare its options vs amazon. I don't rely on their storage at all, so the shopping option is the only bit that would impact me.
 
2020-08-05 10:41:26 AM  

enry: Sorelian's Ghost: And I am not doing this to be "that guy"... but

Holy Shiat Google had a streaming music service?

Yeah, it was (is) pretty good.  I had my CD rips in Amazon and Google.  Amazon has since dropped the ability to upload your own and Google is about to stop as well.  Neither has the set of music I want in full.

Guess I'll just go with Plex music then.


Amazon let me keep the 200,000 tracks I had in Cloud Player premium when the service ended. I just have to keep paying for my Amazon Music, which is fine.

Play Music is where I would upload audio books I ripped from the library or something, and I'm sad that it's going away because conflating music with a video service is super stupid, but uploading from a personal collection was its best feature and it doesn't surprise me that they're throwing it away. That's kind of Google's speciality

On a related note, I have free access to Spotify Premium and of the first twenty albums I thought to look for, Spotify either didn't have them (17) or they were misattributed in a way that made them almost impossible to find (e.g. Crediting a conductor or soloist for a composer's work).

Spotify is one of the big names but for some reason it doesn't have a bunch of film scores and its classical music collection is spotty and mislabeled.  I don't mind keeping 200GB of music on my phone (also: this is a very good reason all phones should have card slots) but when these services cost $10/month, they really should be better than they are.
 
Ant
2020-08-05 10:44:52 AM  
Well fark. I am a subscriber who uploaded my entire library, some of which is not available on any streaming platform. I'm not sure if I want to switch to Spotify though, because I love being able to watch YouTube without commercials.
 
2020-08-05 10:48:12 AM  

Ant: Well fark. I am a subscriber who uploaded my entire library, some of which is not available on any streaming platform. I'm not sure if I want to switch to Spotify though, because I love being able to watch YouTube without commercials.


For the moment, your uploaded library is transferring to Youtube Music, if Google follows through with that promise.
 
2020-08-05 10:59:57 AM  
Is that why the app keeps updating over and over on my chromebook?
 
2020-08-05 11:23:53 AM  

Ant: Well fark. I am a subscriber who uploaded my entire library, some of which is not available on any streaming platform. I'm not sure if I want to switch to Spotify though, because I love being able to watch YouTube without commercials.


That's why I use YouTube Music. I used Spotify for a long time but ended up switching back. There are some things about YTM that drive me bonkers, but getting ad-free YouTube as part of the package makes it worth it.
 
2020-08-05 11:54:55 AM  
i uploaded about 5TB of music I personally ripped (and legally own) that isn't on any commercial platforms so I could listen to it anywhere.

guess that was a waste.
 
2020-08-05 11:59:38 AM  

shoegaze99: Ant: Well fark. I am a subscriber who uploaded my entire library, some of which is not available on any streaming platform. I'm not sure if I want to switch to Spotify though, because I love being able to watch YouTube without commercials.

For the moment, your uploaded library is transferring to Youtube Music, if Google follows through with that promise.


It did for me. However, YT is a no-go for me because you currently can't loop a playlist, or even a song, while casting. We use it for my son at night. If it can't do that by the time Play shuts down I'll be using something else.
 
2020-08-05 12:00:49 PM  

Leader O'Cola: i uploaded about 5TB of music I personally ripped (and legally own) that isn't on any commercial platforms so I could listen to it anywhere.

guess that was a waste.


As several others have already mentioned in this thread, your uploaded library transfers over to Youtube Music, according to Google. You don't lose it, you just access it through a different platform.
 
2020-08-05 12:02:54 PM  

shoegaze99: Leader O'Cola: i uploaded about 5TB of music I personally ripped (and legally own) that isn't on any commercial platforms so I could listen to it anywhere.

guess that was a waste.

As several others have already mentioned in this thread, your uploaded library transfers over to Youtube Music, according to Google. You don't lose it, you just access it through a different platform.


a player that doesn't work on my android device unless it's allowed to remain in the foreground (unless I pay them a hefty fee) ?
or do they plan to change that?
 
2020-08-05 12:07:01 PM  

Leader O'Cola: shoegaze99: Leader O'Cola: i uploaded about 5TB of music I personally ripped (and legally own) that isn't on any commercial platforms so I could listen to it anywhere.

guess that was a waste.

As several others have already mentioned in this thread, your uploaded library transfers over to Youtube Music, according to Google. You don't lose it, you just access it through a different platform.

a player that doesn't work on my android device unless it's allowed to remain in the foreground (unless I pay them a hefty fee) ?
or do they plan to change that?


^This. Google Play Music is free for your uploaded library and allows you to play in the background or even with the screen turned off.
 
2020-08-05 12:22:10 PM  

Leader O'Cola: a player that doesn't work on my android device unless it's allowed to remain in the foreground (unless I pay them a hefty fee) ?
or do they plan to change that?


For the moment background play is reserved for the paid side of things, yes. Otherwise, it's a free service and your library transfers over.

As for the "hefty fee," it's in keeping with most of the other music streaming services out there. Same cost as Spotify, for example, and the upload feature is way more robust.

I don't pay it (as noted above) because I have and will use other options, but I'm also not going to gripe about it being a paid service, either. Expecting it to have stayed free forever was always an unrealistic expectation.
 
2020-08-05 12:25:28 PM  

shoegaze99: Leader O'Cola: a player that doesn't work on my android device unless it's allowed to remain in the foreground (unless I pay them a hefty fee) ?
or do they plan to change that?

For the moment background play is reserved for the paid side of things, yes. Otherwise, it's a free service and your library transfers over.

As for the "hefty fee," it's in keeping with most of the other music streaming services out there. Same cost as Spotify, for example, and the upload feature is way more robust.

I don't pay it (as noted above) because I have and will use other options, but I'm also not going to gripe about it being a paid service, either. Expecting it to have stayed free forever was always an unrealistic expectation.


for the other services, people are typically paying for "rights" to access music they don't own, as well as storage and bandwith .

for what I'm using google for, I'm paying for storage and bandwidth only.. the price should not be the same.
 
2020-08-05 12:32:38 PM  

Leader O'Cola: for the other services, people are typically paying for "rights" to access music they don't own, as well as storage and bandwith .

for what I'm using google for, I'm paying for storage and bandwidth only.. the price should not be the same.


If you're not using it for their streaming, I totally understand that. I don't use Google's streaming, either, only the library upload.

You DO get streaming with the cost, though, just as you do with Spotify and others.

It's not something I'm interested in, as I stick with my own library and once in a blue moon use Pandora if I want random new-to-me stuff, but full streaming of stuff you don't own is part of the paid plan, just like other services.
 
2020-08-05 12:39:11 PM  

Leader O'Cola: shoegaze99: Leader O'Cola: a player that doesn't work on my android device unless it's allowed to remain in the foreground (unless I pay them a hefty fee) ?
or do they plan to change that?

For the moment background play is reserved for the paid side of things, yes. Otherwise, it's a free service and your library transfers over.

As for the "hefty fee," it's in keeping with most of the other music streaming services out there. Same cost as Spotify, for example, and the upload feature is way more robust.

I don't pay it (as noted above) because I have and will use other options, but I'm also not going to gripe about it being a paid service, either. Expecting it to have stayed free forever was always an unrealistic expectation.

for the other services, people are typically paying for "rights" to access music they don't own, as well as storage and bandwith .

for what I'm using google for, I'm paying for storage and bandwidth only.. the price should not be the same.


So get a Plex server.  More control, less worry about a service going away.  Anyone trusting Google to maintain continuity in any service is willfully blind at this point anyways
 
2020-08-05 12:43:09 PM  

shoegaze99: Leader O'Cola: a player that doesn't work on my android device unless it's allowed to remain in the foreground (unless I pay them a hefty fee) ?
or do they plan to change that?

For the moment background play is reserved for the paid side of things, yes. Otherwise, it's a free service and your library transfers over.

As for the "hefty fee," it's in keeping with most of the other music streaming services out there. Same cost as Spotify, for example, and the upload feature is way more robust.

I don't pay it (as noted above) because I have and will use other options, but I'm also not going to gripe about it being a paid service, either. Expecting it to have stayed free forever was always an unrealistic expectation.


The free tier is still there.  It's just where there used to be a carrot, namely unlimited skips and the ability to choose songs, to encourage you to pay there is now just a massive stick to punish you for not paying.
 
2020-08-05 1:05:09 PM  

bhcompy: Leader O'Cola: shoegaze99: Leader O'Cola: a player that doesn't work on my android device unless it's allowed to remain in the foreground (unless I pay them a hefty fee) ?
or do they plan to change that?

For the moment background play is reserved for the paid side of things, yes. Otherwise, it's a free service and your library transfers over.

As for the "hefty fee," it's in keeping with most of the other music streaming services out there. Same cost as Spotify, for example, and the upload feature is way more robust.

I don't pay it (as noted above) because I have and will use other options, but I'm also not going to gripe about it being a paid service, either. Expecting it to have stayed free forever was always an unrealistic expectation.

for the other services, people are typically paying for "rights" to access music they don't own, as well as storage and bandwith .

for what I'm using google for, I'm paying for storage and bandwidth only.. the price should not be the same.

So get a Plex server.  More control, less worry about a service going away.  Anyone trusting Google to maintain continuity in any service is willfully blind at this point anyways


For a second I thought I was going to have to get into Eve Online to listen to music in my car o.O
 
2020-08-05 1:11:08 PM  

Marcos P: bhcompy: Leader O'Cola: shoegaze99: Leader O'Cola: a player that doesn't work on my android device unless it's allowed to remain in the foreground (unless I pay them a hefty fee) ?
or do they plan to change that?

For the moment background play is reserved for the paid side of things, yes. Otherwise, it's a free service and your library transfers over.

As for the "hefty fee," it's in keeping with most of the other music streaming services out there. Same cost as Spotify, for example, and the upload feature is way more robust.

I don't pay it (as noted above) because I have and will use other options, but I'm also not going to gripe about it being a paid service, either. Expecting it to have stayed free forever was always an unrealistic expectation.

for the other services, people are typically paying for "rights" to access music they don't own, as well as storage and bandwith .

for what I'm using google for, I'm paying for storage and bandwidth only.. the price should not be the same.

So get a Plex server.  More control, less worry about a service going away.  Anyone trusting Google to maintain continuity in any service is willfully blind at this point anyways

For a second I thought I was going to have to get into Eve Online to listen to music in my car o.O


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2020-08-05 1:17:04 PM  

bhcompy: Leader O'Cola: shoegaze99: Leader O'Cola: a player that doesn't work on my android device unless it's allowed to remain in the foreground (unless I pay them a hefty fee) ?
or do they plan to change that?

For the moment background play is reserved for the paid side of things, yes. Otherwise, it's a free service and your library transfers over.

As for the "hefty fee," it's in keeping with most of the other music streaming services out there. Same cost as Spotify, for example, and the upload feature is way more robust.

I don't pay it (as noted above) because I have and will use other options, but I'm also not going to gripe about it being a paid service, either. Expecting it to have stayed free forever was always an unrealistic expectation.

for the other services, people are typically paying for "rights" to access music they don't own, as well as storage and bandwith .

for what I'm using google for, I'm paying for storage and bandwidth only.. the price should not be the same.

So get a Plex server.  More control, less worry about a service going away.  Anyone trusting Google to maintain continuity in any service is willfully blind at this point anyways


they don't offer high enough upload speed internet where I live to use one.
hence google play.

I don't mind it not being free, I just don't want to pay for license rights to library content I don't want.
I want to pay for someone's bandwidth to stream, and a small storage amount. That's it.   Is there such an option?
 
2020-08-05 1:44:37 PM  

Leader O'Cola: I want to pay for someone's bandwidth to stream, and a small storage amount. That's it.   Is there such an option?


I can't personally vouch for it, but CloudBeats seems to be an option. You can upload to DropBox, Google Drive, OneDrive and others. There is a free version, and the one-time purchase looks like it's just $7.

Probably worth trying the free version to see how well it works with your mobile. This + the free space you get on Google Drive or OneDrive and you might have your solution.
 
2020-08-05 1:49:54 PM  

Buttknuckle: I use a music service that none of you have ever heard of before and also play obscure music that I ripped from a place you have never heard of.


It's your humility we've all admired.
 
2020-08-05 2:19:32 PM  

Leader O'Cola: they don't offer high enough upload speed internet where I live to use one.
hence google play.

I don't mind it not being free, I just don't want to pay for license rights to library content I don't want.
I want to pay for someone's bandwidth to stream, and a small storage amount. That's it. Is there such an option?


Yea, Dropbox
 
Alo
2020-08-06 6:21:22 PM  
I just 'converted' to YT music from the Google Play Music.  The 'Your mix' playlist, which is supposed to be an amalgamation of things you've 'liked' over the course of your music history sucks balls.  Like, awful, raunchy old balls.  You inevitably get a mix of 3-4 artists, playing over and over, with no real genre crossing or discovery of new stuff outside of those artists the entire time until you 'reboot' said playlist/radio thing, at which point you MIGHT get a different set of 3-4 artists, or maybe not.
 
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