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(Metro)   Manchester's Coronavirus outbreak is coming from the white middle class, proving once again why Manchester was Crowley's crowning achievement   (metro.co.uk) divider line
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2020-08-05 9:29:40 AM  
Meh, it's no dread sigil Odegra.
 
2020-08-05 9:33:49 AM  
More like "Madchester", amirite guvna?
 
2020-08-05 9:36:55 AM  

Walker: More like "Madchester", amirite guvna?


Not since the Hacienda closed, no.
 
2020-08-05 9:52:05 AM  
Crowley?

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2020-08-05 9:54:02 AM  
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2020-08-05 9:55:45 AM  

Geotpf: Crowley?

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2020-08-05 9:57:21 AM  
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2020-08-05 10:00:02 AM  
FTFA:

Eleanor Roaf, the director of public health in Trafford, said 80% of its infections in the last week were in the white community.

According to Wikipedia, Trafford is around 85% white.

So...everything is normal, and within the range of statistical noise.
 
2020-08-05 10:02:35 AM  
Man that incident by the sea was already sad enough.
 
2020-08-05 10:02:42 AM  

iron de havilland: Meh, it's no dread sigil Odegra.


So confused

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2020-08-05 10:03:41 AM  
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/Crowley's on the left
 
2020-08-05 10:11:00 AM  
Manchester's favorite son, Engels,  and his tourist friend, Marx, wrote about the Manchester middle class back in the day.  They were into the how the role of religion and belief shaped that fine community.  The belief in invulnerability wasn't studied enough.

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2020-08-05 10:11:04 AM  

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/Crowley's on the left


Other left.
 
2020-08-05 10:11:46 AM  
"Primarily white middle-class area of manchester shows high rates of infection among white middle-class people" shocker.

Seriously though, Trafford is 80% White-British ethnicity, so it stands to reason that 80% of the Covid-19 infections are White
 
2020-08-05 10:12:48 AM  
But maybe it's this.  When we say "25% of NYC residents have been infected", that's misleading.  The numbers are highly concentrated in some neighborhoods.  From NYT:

At a clinic in Corona, a working-class neighborhood in Queens, more than 68 percent of people tested positive for antibodies to the new coronavirus. At another clinic in Jackson Heights, Queens, that number was 56 percent. But at a clinic in Cobble Hill, a mostly white and wealthy neighborhood in Brooklyn, only 13 percent of people tested positive for antibodies.
As it has swept through New York, the coronavirus has exposed stark inequalities in nearly every aspect of city life, from who has been most affected to how the health care system cared for those patients. Many lower-income neighborhoods, where Black and Latino residents make up a large part of the population, were hard hit, while many wealthy neighborhoods suffered much less.
But now, as the city braces for a possible second wave of the virus, some of those vulnerabilities may flip, with the affluent neighborhoods becoming most at risk of a surge.


We saw the same thing in poorer areas of Boston where 33% antibodies were common in late April.  And now that the virus is impacting rural areas, the ratios of who gets sick and dies by race is leveling out to a representative sample.  NOLA..com had some reporting on this.

So it seems like regardless of where you are, it will show up.  There's phase 1 which is "not a big deal, nobody I know has it" to phase 2 "some people I know are sick so I guess this is serious and I should take precautions" to phase 3 where the infection rate slows because of phase 2.

We just need to watch all the rural school districts opening up to get an idea.  In 2 weeks they'll all be saying "See, everything is fine."  Check with the 2 weeks later.  Just ask Big Ron down in Florida.  Everything is smooth sailing until fantasy collides with math and then it's not.

Let's not get into the "antibodies fade" thing.  That's increasingly seen as only a part of the puzzle.  It looks like being infected once provides some level of protection just like it does for any other virus (minus dengue which is a little different).
 
2020-08-05 10:18:46 AM  

Rapmaster2000: At a clinic in Corona


ha no way
 
2020-08-05 10:23:44 AM  
yup. reinforced lockdown rules apply here too. covidiots are complacent about it and refusing to socially distance or wear masks.
so of course, the infection rate grows - and regardless of those rules, where I live, it's almost the mentality of 'what virus?' as whole families flock to the supermarkets, not realising 'little johnny superspreader' is keeping the goddamned infection numbers up because 'kids can't spread it' :-p
and the neighbours kids have been out playing, absolutely oblivious, because their parents reaction is 'if you can't see it, it's not there' (which is also their applied logic for everything).
and we're now reaching that point where folk are getting summer colds. and that means people are going to confuse the summer cold with the flu, or get a cold that turns into flu and then blame everyone but themselves for it.
I'm seriously farkin' fuming right now.
 
2020-08-05 10:28:16 AM  

Rapmaster2000: We saw the same thing in poorer areas of Boston where 33% antibodies were common in late April.  And now that the virus is impacting rural areas, the ratios of who gets sick and dies by race is leveling out to a representative sample.  NOLA..com had some reporting on this.


I'm not sure if "poor" is the exact cause, but it has certain correlations. The big thing I've spotted looking at which countries or states are hit worst is local light rail or underground. Like UK and France are both big, and both have a huge city with a very large underground rail. The rest of the UK, even quite busy places like Manchester and Birmingham, arguably poorer places, don't have the problem. Same with New York and Mass. And maybe it's the poor that ride the subway more. Maybe people in richer neighbourhoods drive more?
 
2020-08-05 10:40:05 AM  

farkeruk: Rapmaster2000: We saw the same thing in poorer areas of Boston where 33% antibodies were common in late April.  And now that the virus is impacting rural areas, the ratios of who gets sick and dies by race is leveling out to a representative sample.  NOLA..com had some reporting on this.

I'm not sure if "poor" is the exact cause, but it has certain correlations. The big thing I've spotted looking at which countries or states are hit worst is local light rail or underground. Like UK and France are both big, and both have a huge city with a very large underground rail. The rest of the UK, even quite busy places like Manchester and Birmingham, arguably poorer places, don't have the problem. Same with New York and Mass. And maybe it's the poor that ride the subway more. Maybe people in richer neighbourhoods drive more?


Population density definitely matters.  Where and when the virus shows up also matters.  NYC is a big city that gets a lot of international flights.  New Orleans had Mardis Gras.  Albany, GA had a superspreader fly in from NY for a funeral.

People in less wealthy neighborhoods are also more likely to have customer service jobs.

They are also more likely to live in multi-generational housing.  This was a major part of the problem in Northern Italy where twenty-somethings were going out partying, bringing the the virus home, and then killing grandma.  It took Italian health authorities a while to figure out what was happening and apply it.

The one thing that I don't get in this whole pandemic is some communities who have been spared the negative effects, assuming that this was something they did or something about them personally.  It has never been about that.  They can't even tell you the thing they did.  It's just magical thinking.  It will get to where you live eventually if you keep acting like it won't.
 
2020-08-05 10:56:24 AM  

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/Crowley's on the left

Other left.


I see you've met my mother. Between "no, your other left." and "I don't know - can you?" it's really no big surprise I don't have children.

Although, wishing me a daughter just like me, id est The Grandparent's Revenge was the real sticking point.
 
2020-08-05 11:01:09 AM  

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/Crowley's on the left

Other left.


Stage left?
 
2020-08-05 11:09:52 AM  
I've heard that if the entire Mancusian populace immediately died and went to Hell half wouldn't know the difference and the other half would've thought someone did an urban renewal project when they were asleep.
 
2020-08-05 11:25:19 AM  
I feel like some of y'all need to watch the ice cream scene again.
 
2020-08-05 11:29:11 AM  

gar1013: FTFA:

Eleanor Roaf, the director of public health in Trafford, said 80% of its infections in the last week were in the white community.

According to Wikipedia, Trafford is around 85% white.

So...everything is normal, and within the range of statistical noise.


The outbreak was being blamed on the non-white communities celebrating Eid in a non-safe way.
 
2020-08-05 11:36:04 AM  
I can't catch covid. I'm white.
 
2020-08-05 11:44:00 AM  

farkeruk: Rapmaster2000: We saw the same thing in poorer areas of Boston where 33% antibodies were common in late April.  And now that the virus is impacting rural areas, the ratios of who gets sick and dies by race is leveling out to a representative sample.  NOLA..com had some reporting on this.

I'm not sure if "poor" is the exact cause, but it has certain correlations. The big thing I've spotted looking at which countries or states are hit worst is local light rail or underground. Like UK and France are both big, and both have a huge city with a very large underground rail. The rest of the UK, even quite busy places like Manchester and Birmingham, arguably poorer places, don't have the problem. Same with New York and Mass. And maybe it's the poor that ride the subway more. Maybe people in richer neighbourhoods drive more?


Yes. Unfortunately being "poor" is often spoken as if it is causative. The same happened with AIDS. It was the "gay" disease.
 
2020-08-05 12:01:44 PM  
80% of cases in Trafford are among white community and 'middle class complacency' is being blamed

I've been assured by the experts that it's not about behavior, it's about economic disparity.
 
2020-08-05 12:12:54 PM  
 
2020-08-05 12:37:26 PM  
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2020-08-05 12:43:20 PM  
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2020-08-05 1:08:04 PM  

farkeruk: Rapmaster2000: We saw the same thing in poorer areas of Boston where 33% antibodies were common in late April.  And now that the virus is impacting rural areas, the ratios of who gets sick and dies by race is leveling out to a representative sample.  NOLA..com had some reporting on this.

I'm not sure if "poor" is the exact cause, but it has certain correlations. The big thing I've spotted looking at which countries or states are hit worst is local light rail or underground. Like UK and France are both big, and both have a huge city with a very large underground rail. The rest of the UK, even quite busy places like Manchester and Birmingham, arguably poorer places, don't have the problem. Same with New York and Mass. And maybe it's the poor that ride the subway more. Maybe people in richer neighbourhoods drive more?


I guess you missed this un-dis-information.

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"New studies in Europe and Asia suggest that riding public transportation is not a major source of transmission for the coronavirus."

10 paragraphs down...

"But public health experts warn that the evidence so far should be considered with caution. Ridership in other major cities is still well below pre-pandemic levels, tracing clusters directly to public transit is difficult, the quality of ventilation systems used to filter air varies, and the level of threat depends to a high degree on how well a city has reduced its overall infection rate. "
 
2020-08-05 5:38:26 PM  

iron de havilland: Walker: More like "Madchester", amirite guvna?

Not since the Hacienda closed, no.


Ah, memories...
 
2020-08-05 5:40:32 PM  
Another perceptive video from Matt Handjob in that article...and another Tory MP being a total dickhead.
 
2020-08-05 9:12:27 PM  
no, no, no. Crowley's crowning achievement was the M25. <nods>
 
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