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(Twitter)   What happens when you constantly intervene in the region and there's suddenly a massive explosion? Naturally you're gonna get blamed. The more amusing part to this is Hezbollah going "look, death to Israel and all that but they weren't behind it"   (twitter.com) divider line
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2020-08-05 6:10:44 AM  
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2020-08-05 6:15:18 AM  
Random Russian bot: "I bet the Jews did this"
Beirut MoD: "No, it was an accident"
Random Beirutian: "You sure? This seems like Israel"
Israel: "guys! It wasn't us. We swear!"
Twitter trolls: "death to Israel! They used a nuke!"
Hezbollah: "oh for the love of Allah, this wasn't Israel. Will you believe *us*?"
Trump: "Well....maybe *we* did it? Maybe? Anyone? Anyone? Ivanka? Ivanka?
 
2020-08-05 6:36:22 AM  
To be fair, if the report I heard last night on MSNBC is true, and the store had not been secured for 6 years, yes it *could* be an attack.
But not by Israel.
Give it a week.
 
2020-08-05 8:22:57 AM  
If this was a *smokebomb!* type of thing, I think somebody overdid it.
 
2020-08-05 8:27:18 AM  
Didn't Texas experiment with this type of explosive a few years back?  Yeah. Republic of Texas messing around in the middle east.  Obvious answer is obvious
 
2020-08-05 8:29:38 AM  
Funny - my first thought was to wonder if Hezbollah was involved.

// you know, the group operating in the region that's been designated a terrorist organization by most of the world (including The Arab League, Germany, The Netherlands, Canada, Japan, Saudi Arabia, and the UK)
// the thing that's most convincing that Hezbollah wasn't involved is that they're holding Israel blameless
 
2020-08-05 8:29:56 AM  

cretinbob: To be fair, if the report I heard last night on MSNBC is true, and the store had not been secured for 6 years, yes it *could* be an attack.
But not by Israel.
Give it a week.


That's what I thought, if you knew it was there, simple arson wouldn't have been difficult. (which begs the question; Who has a motive to blow up half of Beirut, right now?)

But leaving it all there for six years (in that part of the world) is perhaps the most incompetent thing humans have ever done.
 
2020-08-05 8:31:48 AM  
At I don't think this was terrorism.

I think it's related to who was storing them in a population center and corruption. Just hearing what I did early on yesterday, if true, this sounds like it could be payback for telling some extortionists to fark off.

If it's terrorism related, and indeed everything was their clandestine, I'd suspect that maybe the terrorists found out about it and utilized it.

I have doubts about it just being an 'accident'.

I also would never rule out the US having a hand it.
 
2020-08-05 8:32:10 AM  
My wife is Lebanese. Can confirm. Every time a car backfires in Beirut I have to talk her down from her Israel conspiracy theories.

/not that there aren't conspiracies
 
2020-08-05 8:33:55 AM  
I like to think that this was just a freak accident of extraordinary almost cartoonish negligence. Something on the level of Wile E. Coyote.

Like a dude was asked to cover a hole in the wall of the warehouse and he used a welding torch while remarking that the air smelled funny.

After the blast he came out all soot-covered carrying a sign that says "In Heaven's name -- what am I doing?!"
 
2020-08-05 8:34:03 AM  

Dr Dreidel: Funny - my first thought was to wonder if Hezbollah was involved.

// you know, the group operating in the region that's been designated a terrorist organization by most of the world (including The Arab League, Germany, The Netherlands, Canada, Japan, Saudi Arabia, and the UK)
// the thing that's most convincing that Hezbollah wasn't involved is that they're holding Israel blameless


Israel came out within minutes after the blast and said "Hey, wasn't us".

And for the first time, I more than 50% believed them.

If any foreign government had a hand in it, its us.
 
2020-08-05 8:34:09 AM  
If this was in any way deliberate, the sheer death and destruction thereby wrought will cause the Lebanese to tear to pieces the perpetrators, no matter their ideology.
 
2020-08-05 8:34:51 AM  
Has anyone seen Erik Prince lately?
 
2020-08-05 8:34:57 AM  
I'll bet port managers all over the world are reviewing their inventories first thing this morning.
 
2020-08-05 8:35:25 AM  

brainlordmesomorph: cretinbob: To be fair, if the report I heard last night on MSNBC is true, and the store had not been secured for 6 years, yes it *could* be an attack.
But not by Israel.
Give it a week.

That's what I thought, if you knew it was there, simple arson wouldn't have been difficult. (which begs the question; Who has a motive to blow up half of Beirut, right now?)

But leaving it all there for six years (in that part of the world) is perhaps the most incompetent thing humans have ever done.


To be fair, we have a bit of a track record with ammonium nitrate.

Redline the Stars, published in 1993 by Andre Norton, made the rediscovery of the dangers of storing lots of ammonium nitrate without sufficient fire suppression systems a major plot point.
 
2020-08-05 8:35:55 AM  

Ishkur: I like to think that this was just a freak accident of extraordinary almost cartoonish negligence. Something on the level of Wile E. Coyote.

Like a dude was asked to cover a hole in the wall of the warehouse and he used a welding torch while remarking that the air smelled funny.

After the blast he came out all soot-covered carrying a sign that says "In Heaven's name -- what am I doing?!"


I think in this case, he'd be transparent, sporting small wings, and tunelessly strumming a small harp.
 
2020-08-05 8:36:29 AM  
Apparently the government's only grain supply was stored next to a couple of hundred tuns of aluminum nitrate.
 
2020-08-05 8:36:48 AM  

brainlordmesomorph: I'll bet port managers all over the world are reviewing their inventories first thing this morning.


You would think, if this were a widespread terror attack, they would have sync'd things tighter than 24-36 hours for maximum impact and other high risk areas would already have been attacked.

Not saying you are wrong, though.
 
2020-08-05 8:37:32 AM  

PainInTheASP: Has anyone seen Erik Prince lately?


Don't laugh.

If the US is involved, bet on him being right in the center.
 
2020-08-05 8:38:04 AM  

fernt: Apparently the government's only grain supply was stored next to a couple of hundred tuns of aluminum nitrate.


They have Pyramids that close?
 
2020-08-05 8:43:27 AM  

fernt: Apparently the government's only grain supply was stored next to a couple of hundred tuns of aluminum nitrate.


There are giant tanks of explosive chemicals next to grain storage not even 5 min from my job. it's a port it's all stored there
 
2020-08-05 8:52:06 AM  

brainlordmesomorph: I'll bet port managers all over the world are reviewing their inventories first thing this morning.


You would think they would have done that five years ago after the Chinese Port of Tianjin blew itself up.
 
2020-08-05 8:53:15 AM  

Farkin_Crazy: Israel came out within minutes after the blast and said "Hey, wasn't us".

And for the first time, I more than 50% believed them.

If any foreign government had a hand in it, its us.


Nope. The US'd love to help Lebanon out and exploit their newly-discovered oil fields. No reason for the US to do anything of the sort. And that would be the reason for Israel to do it, they're having a bit of a squabble about how much of the oil belongs to who.

But it seems to be actually just a genuine accident. Makes you wonder how many other abandoned cargoes are stored in other ports just waiting for a misteak.
 
2020-08-05 8:54:39 AM  
Get off the conspiracy angles.  It was a HUGE amount of highly explosive material stored in a very poor manner by a government that can barely keep it together to feed its people. Negligence, incompetence, and apathy can often go much further than deliberate malice.  This is more akin to Bhopal than 9/11.
 
2020-08-05 8:57:39 AM  

somedude210: Random Russian bot: "I bet the Jews did this"
Beirut MoD: "No, it was an accident"
Random Beirutian: "You sure? This seems like Israel"
Israel: "guys! It wasn't us. We swear!"
Twitter trolls: "death to Israel! They used a nuke!"
Hezbollah: "oh for the love of Allah, this wasn't Israel. Will you believe *us*?"
Trump: "Well....maybe *we* did it? Maybe? Anyone? Anyone? Ivanka? Ivanka?


Trump: Maybe it was Israel. Maybe it was Hezbollah. Maybe it was those anarchists for Black Lives Matter. Next, they'll blow up Federal Courthouses. Here's a picture of one Federal Building! They did it!"
Twitter: That was the Murrah Building in 1994.
Trump: Biden will blow up your buildings and rape your suburban women!
 
2020-08-05 8:59:34 AM  

Harry Freakstorm: Didn't Texas experiment with this type of explosive a few years back?  Yeah. Republic of Texas messing around in the middle east.  Obvious answer is obvious


It is just the latest battle in that long running war,

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2020-08-05 9:03:37 AM  

wingnut396: Get off the conspiracy angles.  It was a HUGE amount of highly explosive material stored in a very poor manner by a government that can barely keep it together to feed its people. Negligence, incompetence, and apathy can often go much further than deliberate malice.  This is more akin to Bhopal than 9/11.


We all thought the first plane that hit a tower was a horrible accident at first too.
 
2020-08-05 9:03:56 AM  
I admit, when I first saw the blast about 20 minute after it was posted online, my first thought "why is Israel bombing Lebanon now?" I didn't believe it was just a fireworks factory.
 
2020-08-05 9:04:54 AM  

Harry Freakstorm: Didn't Texas experiment with this type of explosive a few years back?  Yeah. Republic of Texas messing around in the middle east.  Obvious answer is obvious


Nailed it.  Israel is sitting on the largest oil reserve the world has ever seen, larger than the Artic.  Texas needs to slowly wear away Israel's powerful position.  Putin is an amateur when it comes to destabilizing governments for oil exploitation.
 
2020-08-05 9:05:04 AM  
For the reading impaired (such as subby) and because reading a tweet is too difficult: this isn't Israel saying "it wasn't us" and Hezbollah saying "it wasn't us", as subby wrote it out as. This is Israel saying "it wasn't a strike from us, and it wasn't a facility of theirs (Hezbollah) either."

So this was an Israeli officials trying debunk three different things, only two of which pertained to them: that Israel struck, that Israel struck a Hezbollah facility, or that Hezbollah accidentally blew up their own facility (which has been known to happen.)
 
2020-08-05 9:05:31 AM  
Maybe Lebanon can get back to investigating why a Russian ship flying a Moldavian flag abandoned the ship and cargo there in 2013.
 
2020-08-05 9:07:30 AM  
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2020-08-05 9:08:42 AM  
....and these are not the droids you're looking for.
 
2020-08-05 9:10:08 AM  

wozzeck: For the reading impaired (such as subby) and because reading a tweet is too difficult: this isn't Israel saying "it wasn't us" and Hezbollah saying "it wasn't us", as subby wrote it out as. This is Israel saying "it wasn't a strike from us, and it wasn't a facility of theirs (Hezbollah) either."

So this was an Israeli officials trying debunk three different things, only two of which pertained to them: that Israel struck, that Israel struck a Hezbollah facility, or that Hezbollah accidentally blew up their own facility (which has been known to happen.)


Unless there is newer information that came out overnight, last I heard was that not many people even knew there were arms there, and it wasn't a working facility. They were stored there and it's believed there is corruption involved in that arrangement.

I dunno. But I don't trust anyone's word on any of this. Not Beirut's. Not Israels. Certainly not Mike Pompeo's.
 
2020-08-05 9:17:09 AM  

starsrift: Farkin_Crazy: Israel came out within minutes after the blast and said "Hey, wasn't us".

And for the first time, I more than 50% believed them.

If any foreign government had a hand in it, its us.

Nope. The US'd love to help Lebanon out and exploit their newly-discovered oil fields. No reason for the US to do anything of the sort. And that would be the reason for Israel to do it, they're having a bit of a squabble about how much of the oil belongs to who.

But it seems to be actually just a genuine accident. Makes you wonder how many other abandoned cargoes are stored in other ports just waiting for a misteak.


Think about what Trump has said in the past. He wants to pillage oil from countries we bomb for whatever reason they can come up with to bomb them.

You think US oil companies wouldn't love some thing like this in order to strengthen their foothold there?

And nothin' from nothin', this wasn't "abandoned cargo". I've heard speculation that this explosion that size could have taken as much as 30x the 2 tons of explosives Timothy McVeigh used.
 
2020-08-05 9:19:02 AM  

Farkin_Crazy: starsrift: Farkin_Crazy: Israel came out within minutes after the blast and said "Hey, wasn't us".

And for the first time, I more than 50% believed them.

If any foreign government had a hand in it, its us.

Nope. The US'd love to help Lebanon out and exploit their newly-discovered oil fields. No reason for the US to do anything of the sort. And that would be the reason for Israel to do it, they're having a bit of a squabble about how much of the oil belongs to who.

But it seems to be actually just a genuine accident. Makes you wonder how many other abandoned cargoes are stored in other ports just waiting for a misteak.

Think about what Trump has said in the past. He wants to pillage oil from countries we bomb for whatever reason they can come up with to bomb them.

You think US oil companies wouldn't love some thing like this in order to strengthen their foothold there?

And nothin' from nothin', this wasn't "abandoned cargo". I've heard speculation that this explosion that size could have taken as much as 30x the 2 tons of explosives Timothy McVeigh used.


It was 2750 tons left from a ship that was abandoned in 2013.
 
2020-08-05 9:22:31 AM  

GardenWeasel: Farkin_Crazy: starsrift: Farkin_Crazy: Israel came out within minutes after the blast and said "Hey, wasn't us".

And for the first time, I more than 50% believed them.

If any foreign government had a hand in it, its us.

Nope. The US'd love to help Lebanon out and exploit their newly-discovered oil fields. No reason for the US to do anything of the sort. And that would be the reason for Israel to do it, they're having a bit of a squabble about how much of the oil belongs to who.

But it seems to be actually just a genuine accident. Makes you wonder how many other abandoned cargoes are stored in other ports just waiting for a misteak.

Think about what Trump has said in the past. He wants to pillage oil from countries we bomb for whatever reason they can come up with to bomb them.

You think US oil companies wouldn't love some thing like this in order to strengthen their foothold there?

And nothin' from nothin', this wasn't "abandoned cargo". I've heard speculation that this explosion that size could have taken as much as 30x the 2 tons of explosives Timothy McVeigh used.

It was 2750 tons left from a ship that was abandoned in 2013.


OK, this is new to me.

So, someone inside the government knew this was sitting there for 7 years? And nobody bothered to inform people? or, I dunno, perhaps secure it?
 
2020-08-05 9:24:31 AM  
Can't let a convenient bogeyman go to waste when you have incompetence to hide
 
2020-08-05 9:28:22 AM  

brainlordmesomorph: cretinbob: To be fair, if the report I heard last night on MSNBC is true, and the store had not been secured for 6 years, yes it *could* be an attack.
But not by Israel.
Give it a week.

That's what I thought, if you knew it was there, simple arson wouldn't have been difficult. (which begs the question; Who has a motive to blow up half of Beirut, right now?)

But leaving it all there for six years (in that part of the world) is perhaps the most incompetent thing humans have ever done.


2016 would like a word
 
2020-08-05 9:28:34 AM  

Farkin_Crazy: GardenWeasel: Farkin_Crazy: starsrift: Farkin_Crazy: Israel came out within minutes after the blast and said "Hey, wasn't us".

And for the first time, I more than 50% believed them.

If any foreign government had a hand in it, its us.

Nope. The US'd love to help Lebanon out and exploit their newly-discovered oil fields. No reason for the US to do anything of the sort. And that would be the reason for Israel to do it, they're having a bit of a squabble about how much of the oil belongs to who.

But it seems to be actually just a genuine accident. Makes you wonder how many other abandoned cargoes are stored in other ports just waiting for a misteak.

Think about what Trump has said in the past. He wants to pillage oil from countries we bomb for whatever reason they can come up with to bomb them.

You think US oil companies wouldn't love some thing like this in order to strengthen their foothold there?

And nothin' from nothin', this wasn't "abandoned cargo". I've heard speculation that this explosion that size could have taken as much as 30x the 2 tons of explosives Timothy McVeigh used.

It was 2750 tons left from a ship that was abandoned in 2013.

OK, this is new to me.

So, someone inside the government knew this was sitting there for 7 years? And nobody bothered to inform people? or, I dunno, perhaps secure it?


I'll look for the link. Ship was bound from the country of Georgia to Mozambique when it had mechanical problems and pulled into the port. Upon inspection the ship was seized for unspecified reasons and the Russian crew held for (I think) over a year. The ship owner abandoned the cargo and crew, and the crew was eventually released. It's been sitting waiting to go thru auction ever since.
 
2020-08-05 9:31:27 AM  

FarkaDark: Can't let a convenient bogeyman go to waste when you have incompetence to hide


I'm not saying this wasn't just a bad accident. It very well could be.

But I wouldn't take Beirut's, Israel's, or our word of it just being that.
 
2020-08-05 9:32:29 AM  

Farkin_Crazy: GardenWeasel:
It was 2750 tons left from a ship that was abandoned in 2013.

OK, this is new to me.
So, someone inside the government knew this was sitting there for 7 years? And nobody bothered to inform people? or, I dunno, perhaps secure it?


Modern civilization in general has an ongoing problem with ammonium nitrate storage.  It causes city-wrecking explosions on a depressingly regular basis.  Usually due to complacent carelessness.
 
2020-08-05 9:34:38 AM  

Farkin_Crazy: GardenWeasel: Farkin_Crazy: starsrift: Farkin_Crazy: Israel came out within minutes after the blast and said "Hey, wasn't us".

And for the first time, I more than 50% believed them.

If any foreign government had a hand in it, its us.

Nope. The US'd love to help Lebanon out and exploit their newly-discovered oil fields. No reason for the US to do anything of the sort. And that would be the reason for Israel to do it, they're having a bit of a squabble about how much of the oil belongs to who.

But it seems to be actually just a genuine accident. Makes you wonder how many other abandoned cargoes are stored in other ports just waiting for a misteak.

Think about what Trump has said in the past. He wants to pillage oil from countries we bomb for whatever reason they can come up with to bomb them.

You think US oil companies wouldn't love some thing like this in order to strengthen their foothold there?

And nothin' from nothin', this wasn't "abandoned cargo". I've heard speculation that this explosion that size could have taken as much as 30x the 2 tons of explosives Timothy McVeigh used.

It was 2750 tons left from a ship that was abandoned in 2013.

OK, this is new to me.

So, someone inside the government knew this was sitting there for 7 years? And nobody bothered to inform people? or, I dunno, perhaps secure it?


Links:

https://www.fleetmon.com/maritime-new​s​/2014/4194/crew-kept-hostages-floating​-bomb-mv-rhosus-beirut/

https://shiparrested.com/wp-content/u​p​loads/2016/02/The-Arrest-News-11th-iss​ue.pdf
 
2020-08-05 9:36:19 AM  

GardenWeasel: Farkin_Crazy: GardenWeasel: Farkin_Crazy: starsrift: Farkin_Crazy: Israel came out within minutes after the blast and said "Hey, wasn't us".

And for the first time, I more than 50% believed them.

If any foreign government had a hand in it, its us.

Nope. The US'd love to help Lebanon out and exploit their newly-discovered oil fields. No reason for the US to do anything of the sort. And that would be the reason for Israel to do it, they're having a bit of a squabble about how much of the oil belongs to who.

But it seems to be actually just a genuine accident. Makes you wonder how many other abandoned cargoes are stored in other ports just waiting for a misteak.

Think about what Trump has said in the past. He wants to pillage oil from countries we bomb for whatever reason they can come up with to bomb them.

You think US oil companies wouldn't love some thing like this in order to strengthen their foothold there?

And nothin' from nothin', this wasn't "abandoned cargo". I've heard speculation that this explosion that size could have taken as much as 30x the 2 tons of explosives Timothy McVeigh used.

It was 2750 tons left from a ship that was abandoned in 2013.

OK, this is new to me.

So, someone inside the government knew this was sitting there for 7 years? And nobody bothered to inform people? or, I dunno, perhaps secure it?

I'll look for the link. Ship was bound from the country of Georgia to Mozambique when it had mechanical problems and pulled into the port. Upon inspection the ship was seized for unspecified reasons and the Russian crew held for (I think) over a year. The ship owner abandoned the cargo and crew, and the crew was eventually released. It's been sitting waiting to go thru auction ever since.


Interesting. I hadn't heard any of this.

Like I said previously, yesterday, people who appeared to be in the know, were saying that there was corruption, extortion and other seedy claims that had been made about the bombs previously, and it didn't appear to be widely known that they were stored where they were.

I dunno... Doesn't appear to be a worldwide, coordinated attack, so I ain't terrified.
 
2020-08-05 9:38:09 AM  

Podna: fernt: Apparently the government's only grain supply was stored next to a couple of hundred tuns of aluminum nitrate.

There are giant tanks of explosive chemicals next to grain storage not even 5 min from my job. it's a port it's all stored there


Every regional Co-Op in North America stores fertilizer and anhydrous ammonia next to the grain silos.  It's not normally a hazard as they tend not to store fireworks, oily rags, or children playing with matches next to the other three.
 
2020-08-05 9:40:49 AM  

GardenWeasel: Links:

https://www.fleetmon.com/maritime-news​/2014/4194/crew-kept-hostages-floating​-bomb-mv-rhosus-beirut/

https://shiparrested.com/wp-content/up​loads/2016/02/The-Arrest-News-11th-iss​ue.pdf


Thx.
 
2020-08-05 9:50:54 AM  

Farkin_Crazy: FarkaDark: Can't let a convenient bogeyman go to waste when you have incompetence to hide

I'm not saying this wasn't just a bad accident. It very well could be.

But I wouldn't take Beirut's, Israel's, or our word of it just being that.


Yeah, but it's most likely an accident. Israel would have no reason to do it. As I understand it, the region is in a period of (relatively) low tension.
My point being that Israel is a convenient scapegoat for the rulers to divert attention away from their own shortcomings.
Crushing poverty, corruption and a lack of freedom getting you down? Oh look get the Jew.
 
2020-08-05 9:58:39 AM  

FarkaDark: Farkin_Crazy: FarkaDark: Can't let a convenient bogeyman go to waste when you have incompetence to hide

I'm not saying this wasn't just a bad accident. It very well could be.

But I wouldn't take Beirut's, Israel's, or our word of it just being that.

Yeah, but it's most likely an accident. Israel would have no reason to do it. As I understand it, the region is in a period of (relatively) low tension.
My point being that Israel is a convenient scapegoat for the rulers to divert attention away from their own shortcomings.
Crushing poverty, corruption and a lack of freedom getting you down? Oh look get the Jew.


Well, I said up top the thread, that I believed with greater than 50% that Israel wasn't behind it. But, like you, I just don't see them mixing it up with anyone right now given their current catfights inside their own government.

It very could well be as simple as just degradation of the ammonium nitrate. But I'd never buy that as a stock, complete answer.
 
2020-08-05 10:01:55 AM  
Why would a ship be abandoned in Lebanon in 2013?

Probably because of the ISIS war taking priority, you farking gold fish.
 
2020-08-05 10:05:02 AM  

Farkin_Crazy: wingnut396: Get off the conspiracy angles.  It was a HUGE amount of highly explosive material stored in a very poor manner by a government that can barely keep it together to feed its people. Negligence, incompetence, and apathy can often go much further than deliberate malice.  This is more akin to Bhopal than 9/11.

We all thought the first plane that hit a tower was a horrible accident at first too.


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