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2020-08-05 11:01:14 AM  
12 votes:
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2020-08-05 8:12:07 AM  
9 votes:
Speaking as an arrogant jock in an 80s movie, I always refer to guys as "ladies."  "Sup, ladies!  You ladies ready to lose today?"

And then I cheat, because that's what you do when you're an arrogant jock in an 80s movie.
 
2020-08-05 8:40:13 AM  
8 votes:
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2020-08-05 6:20:06 AM  
7 votes:
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2020-08-05 5:55:14 AM  
6 votes:
My daughter calls me "Dude"!
 
2020-08-05 3:32:19 AM  
5 votes:
Chicks don't like being called broads!!!
 
2020-08-05 3:11:48 AM  
5 votes:
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We cool?
 
2020-08-05 2:59:19 AM  
5 votes:
Or we could just keep using it to apply to mixed-gender groups until the generations that considered it a "masculine word" die off.

Sorry if I come across as crotchety, I've actually been feeling rather gay all day.
 
2020-08-05 10:39:34 AM  
4 votes:
Greetings meat-bags.
 
2020-08-05 8:26:02 AM  
4 votes:

vudukungfu: Used to call my campers dudes.
Explained to those young ladies in the early 70s it was a gender neutral term.
They got it.
It allowed them to actualize themselves as persons while being mentored by a male with out the assignment of gender roles, which would have been inappropriate. I was a teen, and they were not.
Thus, I became a source of information and not a member of a set of people they had previous encounters with.
It worked.


Dude is inherently a gendered term.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dude
Dude is American English slang for an individual, typically male.[1] From the 1870s to the 1960s, dude primarily meant a person who dressed in an extremely fashionable manner (a dandy) or a conspicuous citified person who was visiting a rural location, a "city slicker". In the 1960s, dude evolved to mean any male person, a meaning that slipped into mainstream American slang in the 1970s. Current slang retains at least some use of all three of these common meanings.

Maybe you should go with "Dudx".
 
2020-08-05 6:18:31 AM  
4 votes:

buckeyebrain: Chicks don't like being called broads!!!


Dames don't like being called chicks.
 
2020-08-05 5:46:18 AM  
4 votes:
Fun fact: once upon a time, "man" was not gendered. If you needed to specify female there was "wifman", from which we eventually get both "woman" (you can still hear the deep roots in the unusual pronunciation of "women") and "wife"; and if you needed to specify male there was "werman" or "wyrman" - the same word that's survived in modern English in "werewolf".
 
2020-08-05 7:57:05 AM  
3 votes:

Tr0mBoNe: vudukungfu: Used to call my campers dudes.
Explained to those young ladies in the early 70s it was a gender neutral term.
They got it.
It allowed them to actualize themselves as persons while being mentored by a male with out the assignment of gender roles, which would have been inappropriate. I was a teen, and they were not.
Thus, I became a source of information and not a member of a set of people they had previous encounters with.
It worked.

I had a youth group leader who used "People" as their gender neutral term.

Once we were doing a toy drive and had to clean them all so we set up a big line of tables in the church multipurpose room and got to work. Everything was going well until a handgun showed up. "People! We are going outside, NOW!" really sticks into my head.


Was the gun ok?
 
2020-08-05 7:36:38 AM  
3 votes:
My older daughter has never stopped calling everyone "dude" in a conversational fashion since she saw the Big Lebowski, and that was some time ago.  I think she doesn't care that it makes me twitchy.
 
2020-08-05 5:42:51 AM  
3 votes:
Whatever, dude
 
2020-08-05 11:46:55 AM  
2 votes:
I tend to be more general.  When I enter a room, I say, "Greetings, Earth Humans."
 
2020-08-05 10:53:30 AM  
2 votes:
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2020-08-05 10:52:17 AM  
2 votes:
I address mixed groups, "Dudes and Dudettes."

/totally not a dork
//my mom says I'm cool.
 
2020-08-05 7:59:17 AM  
2 votes:

vudukungfu: Tr0mBoNe: vudukungfu: Used to call my campers dudes.
Explained to those young ladies in the early 70s it was a gender neutral term.
They got it.
It allowed them to actualize themselves as persons while being mentored by a male with out the assignment of gender roles, which would have been inappropriate. I was a teen, and they were not.
Thus, I became a source of information and not a member of a set of people they had previous encounters with.
It worked.

I had a youth group leader who used "People" as their gender neutral term.

Once we were doing a toy drive and had to clean them all so we set up a big line of tables in the church multipurpose room and got to work. Everything was going well until a handgun showed up. "People! We are going outside, NOW!" really sticks into my head.

Was the gun ok?


It took a bath in soapy water then one of the parents "took care of it". I expect they are still taking care of it, it was a small hick town.
 
2020-08-06 9:39:18 AM  
1 vote:

BearDrivingCar: Y'all

The simple way to address a mixed group of people is y'all.


It is funny, now that I've been speaking a language with second person plural for over a decade now, I really feel its absence in English.  You also really notice all the kludges and colloquialisms English uses to make up for that short-coming.  English is basically reinventing a grammatical structure it lost because it turns out to be pretty important.
 
2020-08-06 9:36:26 AM  
1 vote:

Armored Vomit Doll: Beta Tested: Thus, it is untrue that "Swedish (and related languages)" do not use 3 genders

One last comment, unless you want to return and try again.  (Please do, it's hilarious).

Since Swedish only has two genders, then your statement above is obviously false.  Once you put Swedish into the set of languages in question, that statement fails, regardless of the other contents of the set.

This is trivial set theory.  I have a set which includes Swedish, a language which only has two genders.  Thus, the claim that (at least some) members of that set don't use 3 genders is true.  I don't even need to know the rest of the contents of the set at that point to make that claim - it is obvious from the inclusion of Swedish in the set.

Thus the claim that the prior claim is false must itself be false.


No.  You know what you said, I know what you said, and anyone reading this knows what you said.  Your transparent attempts to gaslight me only serve to make you look unhinged.

If I say "Dogs (and related species) use their keen sense of smell to hunt for food" it is brutally clear (even to you) that I am speaking specifically about Canids and not also about Starfish which are a related species that also use their sense of smell to hunt.

That Swedish is related to English is irrelevant since you weren't commenting on English and Swedish is also related to Japanese as all languages originated in the East African Rift and are related to one another.  The fact remains that the most closely related language to Swedish is a language with 3 genders.

You could have just admitted your minor error and issued a slight correction, but instead you went off the deep end like a screaming toddler.  I genuinely hope you get the therapy you need.
 
2020-08-05 3:38:18 PM  
1 vote:

Armored Vomit Doll: I mean, is the entire issue here that your English skills are so poor that you don't know what the word related means?

Because, again, some languages related to Swedish have three genders, and some others have two genders, and some others have no gender classes at all.  And some of the languages related to Swedish that have two genders went through the same process that Swedish did, with the feminine and masculine genders collapsing into a single neuter gender.

That's all I ever said.  Whatever nonsense you are braying about in no way rebuts that point.  Maybe do a better job reading what someone wrote before criticizing them in the future, eh?


You are so thick you might actually be Swedish.  Despite that I am genuinely going to try to explain this to you just one more time.

The language family Swedish belongs to is North Germanic, also called the "Nordic Languages" or "Scandinavian languages".  This family (the related languages) contains 3 genders which in Norwegian are called hankjønn, hunkjønn, and intetkjønn.  Of the 5 living languages in the family, 3 use all of them and the other 2 don't use hunkjønn.  Thus, it is untrue that "Swedish (and related languages)" do not use 3 genders, and it is extremely wrong that "some others have no gender classes at all" since all of them have gender classes.
 
2020-08-05 2:56:16 PM  
1 vote:

Armored Vomit Doll: It is explicitly true that Swedish (and related languages) don't have three genders.  Don't affirm the consequent.  It makes you look uneducated.


Listen to me very closely, I understand Swedish because I speak the language most closely related to it.  I use hunkjønn when I speak that language.  Languages related to Swedish have 3 genders, I speak one of them.  I am not certain how many different ways I can say that or how much more clear I can make it.

You are arguing about a language to a person that speaks said language when you do not.  This is the peak of you were wrong on the internet and rather than saying, "my bad" like a normal human being you are digging in to Trumpian levels.
 
2020-08-05 2:30:14 PM  
1 vote:

Armored Vomit Doll: What makes you think that the languages I had in mind were Norwegian and Icelandic?  I didn't say all related languages after all.


Because that is what you said.  It is ok to admit fault, lightning bolts don't fly out of the sky and strike you down. "Swedish (and related languages)" means related languages which includes Norwegian (the language I speak that is so closely related to Swedish as to be mutually intelligible).  Only 1 related language to Swedish, Danish, doesn't have hunkjønn while the other nearest languages do (Norwegian, Icelandic, and German).  So what you said wasn't true.

But your statement is equally false if we want to nitpick. "Scandinavian languages have masculine (hankjøn), feminine (hunkjønn), and neuter (intetkjønn) just like German"Obviously this is untrue, since Swedish and Danish are Scandinavian languages, and, as you admit, they have only two genders.

Do you have anything intelligent to contribute to this discussion at all?


Your nitpicking is about as good as your knowledge of languages related to Swedish.  I'm not wrong, that is how sets work.  Scandinavian languages have hunkjønn, even if Swedish does not, because "Scandinavian languages" is a grouping which contains a feminine language gender.  The logical converse, what you said, is still false.  It is untrue is that North Germanic languages,Swedish (and related languages), don't have 3 language genders.

No worries about me continuing to add to the discussion, I will issue further corrections in the future if needed.
 
2020-08-05 1:48:43 PM  
1 vote:

Armored Vomit Doll: Beta Tested: Armored Vomit Doll: Swedish (and related languages), on the other hand, saw the masculine and feminine genders merge into a "common" gender, distinct from a neuter gender.

This is completely false.  Scandinavian languages have masculine (hankjøn), feminine (hunkjønn), and neuter (intetkjønn) just like German.

Nope. Standard Swedish does not have three genders.  It has only ett-nouns (neuter) and en-nouns (common).  Some dialects and idioms might still use older masculine and feminine distinctions, but those are non-standard.

You probably just don't understand what is meant by grammatical gender (despite my describing it above).


Go back and read the original statement.

Norwegian and Icelandic have hunkjønn (feminine) and those are closely related languages, as does German.  Only Danish and Swedish don't, so the original statement was false, several related languages do in fact have three genders.
 
2020-08-05 12:41:37 PM  
1 vote:

Armored Vomit Doll: Swedish (and related languages), on the other hand, saw the masculine and feminine genders merge into a "common" gender, distinct from a neuter gender.


This is completely false.  Scandinavian languages have masculine (hankjøn), feminine (hunkjønn), and neuter (intetkjønn) just like German.
 
2020-08-05 10:42:44 AM  
1 vote:
He knows about your party.  He is calling you "dude!"

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2020-08-05 7:37:56 AM  
1 vote:

Ker_Thwap: TLDR version. Try some empathy, think how you'd feel if your female boss called mixed groups ladies, and insisted that it was the proper gender neutral term. It costs you nothing to address a mixed group in a way that's respectful to everyone.


I always addressed groups of my employees as "ladies", regardless of gender.  It gets their attention.  They settle down.  They know worse could come.
 
2020-08-05 7:29:48 AM  
1 vote:
Used to call my campers dudes.
Explained to those young ladies in the early 70s it was a gender neutral term.
They got it.
It allowed them to actualize themselves as persons while being mentored by a male with out the assignment of gender roles, which would have been inappropriate. I was a teen, and they were not.
Thus, I became a source of information and not a member of a set of people they had previous encounters with.
It worked.
 
2020-08-05 6:11:03 AM  
1 vote:
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