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(S&P Global Platts)   The Beirut Disaster gets even worse: the grain elevator that was destroyed in the explosion handles 85% of Lebanon's grain and is the country's strategic grain reserve   (spglobal.com) divider line
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2020-08-05 12:16:03 AM  
This turned an already horrific situation into a major humanitarian crisis.
 
2020-08-05 12:22:05 AM  
That would explain why the mushroom cloud was pyramid-shaped.
 
2020-08-05 12:28:08 AM  
In addition, Beirut Port was pretty much Lebanon's only economic connection to the rest of the world, and the port was FLATTENED.  This is an utter catastrophe, and it's not an understatement at all to say this has the potential to be more devastating than the Lebanese Civil War.

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2020-08-05 12:49:05 AM  

NEDM: In addition, Beirut Port was pretty much Lebanon's only economic connection to the rest of the world, and the port was FLATTENED.  This is an utter catastrophe, and it's not an understatement at all to say this has the potential to be more devastating than the Lebanese Civil War.

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I'm sure Syria will be happy to let them ship through Latakia and have complete control over their foreign trade.
 
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2020-08-05 12:52:42 AM  
*was* the country's strategic grain reserve.

I couldn't really tell, was there a grain-dust explosion along with the ammonium-nitrate?  Or was the main blast so big that it simply dwarfed it?
 
2020-08-05 1:00:09 AM  

TWX: I couldn't really tell, was there a grain-dust explosion along with the ammonium-nitrate? Or was the main blast so big that it simply dwarfed it?


Probably the latter.  2700 tons of Ammonium Nitrate is far more explosive and damaging than a grain explosion.  Those tend to destroy their silos, not take out entire city districts.
 
2020-08-05 2:04:25 AM  
Why the hell were they storing all that ammonium nitrate next to the strategic grain reserve??
 
2020-08-05 2:07:23 AM  

make me some tea: Why the hell were they storing all that ammonium nitrate next to the strategic grain reserve??


Gross incompetence and negligence on a literal catastrophic level.
 
2020-08-05 2:25:44 AM  

make me some tea: Why the hell were they storing all that ammonium nitrate next to the strategic grain reserve??


World's worst game of Sim City
 
2020-08-05 2:31:23 AM  
Man, 2020 is relentlessly on brand.
 
2020-08-05 2:58:30 AM  

NEDM: make me some tea: Why the hell were they storing all that ammonium nitrate next to the strategic grain reserve??

Gross incompetence and negligence on a literal catastrophic level.


Maybe this:

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2020-08-05 3:05:03 AM  

make me some tea: Maybe this:


The Russia connection only goes so far as "corrupt Russian businessman abandoning his ship/cargo instead of paying to get it out properly". The ship was arrested and the cargo seized back in 2014; it's been decomposing in that warehouse ever since.  Why?  I think all of Lebanon is very interesting in finding the answer to that question, but I have a feeling a lot of it boiled down to multiple agencies/people deciding "that's someone else's problem".
 
2020-08-05 3:06:31 AM  

King Something: That would explain why the mushroom cloud was pyramid-shaped.


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2020-08-05 3:35:01 AM  

NEDM: make me some tea: Maybe this:

The Russia connection only goes so far as "corrupt Russian businessman abandoning his ship/cargo instead of paying to get it out properly". The ship was arrested and the cargo seized back in 2014; it's been decomposing in that warehouse ever since.  Why?  I think all of Lebanon is very interesting in finding the answer to that question, but I have a feeling a lot of it boiled down to multiple agencies/people deciding "that's someone else's problem".


SEP Fields are the most powerful force in the universe.
 
2020-08-05 3:36:10 AM  

NEDM: make me some tea: Maybe this:

The Russia connection only goes so far as "corrupt Russian businessman abandoning his ship/cargo instead of paying to get it out properly". The ship was arrested and the cargo seized back in 2014; it's been decomposing in that warehouse ever since.  Why?  I think all of Lebanon is very interesting in finding the answer to that question, but I have a feeling a lot of it boiled down to multiple agencies/people deciding "that's someone else's problem".


Wow. That must have been a stinky-ass building.
 
2020-08-05 3:36:15 AM  
I imagine someone is chuckling Sovietly right about now.
 
2020-08-05 3:43:01 AM  
Good god what an interminable nightmare for those people.
 
2020-08-05 3:43:38 AM  
More shots of the devastation of the port.  Beirut Port is going to shut for a very long time.
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Hobostorm: I imagine someone is chuckling Sovietly right about now.


You'd think wrong.  There no reason for Russia (or hell, ANYONE) to do this, not even Israel.  This will destablize Lebanon to a degree not seen since the 80s.  Russia doesn't need that bleeding over into Syria making their quagmire worse, and Israel sure as shiat doesn't need Lebanon destablizing AGAIN less than 20 years after it finally made peace and starting getting its shiat back together.
/Lebanon isn't even on Russia's "opposed to" list
 
2020-08-05 3:45:46 AM  

make me some tea: Why the hell were they storing all that ammonium nitrate next to the strategic grain reserve??


Well they have to fertilize the grain so it makes sense to keep it close by.
 
2020-08-05 3:54:49 AM  
I think we have a good week or so to learn just how devastating this explosion was.  OK, there's economic problems, but that assplosion killed LOT of people and destroyed a LOT of homes.

Jeebus H Christ, it was like an Indonesian volcano erupted in the middle of a densely-populated city.
 
2020-08-05 3:55:01 AM  

fusillade762: make me some tea: Why the hell were they storing all that ammonium nitrate next to the strategic grain reserve??

Well they have to fertilize the grain so it makes sense to keep it close by.


Sounds like a whole lot of bullshiat to me.
 
2020-08-05 3:55:19 AM  
From what i've read so far about this whole mess, you probably couldn't have planned it better to basically shoot Lebanon in the gut while it was down.

Some heads are really gonna have to roll over this, i think.
 
2020-08-05 3:58:07 AM  

NEDM: More shots of the devastation of the port.  Beirut Port is going to shut for a very long time.
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I'm
1)  Shocked half that building was left standing.
2)  Horrified that so many people in the building are dead.
3)  Thankful it served as a shield for so many.
 
2020-08-05 3:59:13 AM  

Bandito King: Wow. That must have been a stinky-ass building.


You know, when I was in Beirut, I remember thinking that the dock I was at smelled like shiat.  Like, literally smelled like shiat.  I thought it was the livestock yards that were nearby, since there were trucks full of cows driving up and down the dock while we were there.

But now, I realize, that wasn't livestock.

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That was the smell of thousands of tons of fertilizer decomposing only a few hundred feet away.
 
2020-08-05 4:01:19 AM  
Reported 2016, as to why the nitrate was there
2013:
- Ship emergency stops in Beirut
- Port authorities forbid ship from sailing (will be seaworthiness)
- Legit crew repatriated, four crew members and master stuck on board. Not allowed to hop off.
- Owner of the vessel shiats their pants and abandons it and the cargo
- Creditors seek legal counsel and contest ship contents and get arrest warrants for crew members
- Crew members seek legal counsel because they don't want to be stuck on board a ship containing highly dangerous ammonium nitrate.
- Crew members granted repatriation due to safety concerns
- Beirut seizes ship and contents, sticks them in a warehouse pending auction or disposal

2016: Goods still sitting in a warehouse waiting to be disposed or sold, likely forgotten.

2020: Beirut gets a reminder they were there

https://shiparrested.com/wp-content/u​p​loads/2016/02/The-Arrest-News-11th-iss​ue.pdf

It's just your generic "seized by Customs/government and forgotten", in two decades they'll want to expand the port and everyone will question why it was there, then it will get auctioned off to the highest bidder for next to nothing.
 
2020-08-05 4:01:30 AM  

NEDM: More shots of the devastation of the port.  Beirut Port is going to shut for a very long time.
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I'm impressed that this large white building, whatever it is, is still partially standing, even though it was located right next to an explosion that leveled pretty much everything else in the entire harbour district of Beirut.
 
2020-08-05 4:02:44 AM  

lobotomy survivor: I'm impressed that this large white building, whatever it is, is still partially standing, even though it was located right next to an explosion that leveled pretty much everything else in the entire harbour district of Beirut.


That's the grain elevator mentioned in the headline.
 
2020-08-05 4:08:11 AM  
"However, it is believed the silos did not contain huge quantities of grain at the time of the explosion, as the country tried to meet a shortage of bread that surfaced recently due to the current financial crisis, the company said."

So their reserves were pretty much gone already...Good news?  I guess.  I really can't tell any more.
 
2020-08-05 4:11:10 AM  

NEDM: More shots of the devastation of the port.  Beirut Port is going to shut for a very long time.
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Hobostorm: I imagine someone is chuckling Sovietly right about now.

You'd think wrong.  There no reason for Russia (or hell, ANYONE) to do this, not even Israel.  This will destablize Lebanon to a degree not seen since the 80s.  Russia doesn't need that bleeding over into Syria making their quagmire worse, and Israel sure as shiat doesn't need Lebanon destablizing AGAIN less than 20 years after it finally made peace and starting getting its shiat back together.
/Lebanon isn't even on Russia's "opposed to" list


As horrible as it was... Those grain silos (with grain in them) may have been a minute blast shield.
 
2020-08-05 4:11:14 AM  

jtown: "However, it is believed the silos did not contain huge quantities of grain at the time of the explosion, as the country tried to meet a shortage of bread that surfaced recently due to the current financial crisis, the company said."

So their reserves were pretty much gone already...Good news?  I guess.  I really can't tell any more.


Well, they may as well be anyway and the boom could have been bigger had they not been.

They would still have none and probably more debris if they had more.
 
2020-08-05 4:13:09 AM  

NEDM: More shots of the devastation of the port.  Beirut Port is going to shut for a very long time.
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Holy farking shiat!  If someone showed me those pics out of context and told me they'd been nuked, I wouldn't immediately call bullshiat.
 
2020-08-05 4:14:45 AM  

NEDM: More shots of the devastation of the port.  Beirut Port is going to shut for a very long time.
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Hobostorm: I imagine someone is chuckling Sovietly right about now.

You'd think wrong.  There no reason for Russia (or hell, ANYONE) to do this, not even Israel.  This will destablize Lebanon to a degree not seen since the 80s.  Russia doesn't need that bleeding over into Syria making their quagmire worse, and Israel sure as shiat doesn't need Lebanon destablizing AGAIN less than 20 years after it finally made peace and starting getting its shiat back together.
/Lebanon isn't even on Russia's "opposed to" list


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There's a before shot for comparison.

That is one hell of a crater and those silos are toast.
 
2020-08-05 4:16:16 AM  

jtown: "However, it is believed the silos did not contain huge quantities of grain at the time of the explosion, as the country tried to meet a shortage of bread that surfaced recently due to the current financial crisis, the company said."

So their reserves were pretty much gone already...Good news?  I guess.  I really can't tell any more.


They might have been partially empty (although the pictures of the wreckage show they still had a lot of grain in them that's been totally contaminated now), but the problem is that now they don't have a way to import any more grain for an unknown amount of time.  When it says "handled 85% of the country's grain", the article meant that 85% of it passed through that elevator after being discharged in Beirut Port.
 
2020-08-05 4:18:07 AM  

make me some tea: Why the hell were they storing all that ammonium nitrate next to the strategic grain reserve??


Unrestrained Capitalism
 
2020-08-05 4:20:00 AM  
Hush puppies never once.

/Smoking section window seat, please.
 
2020-08-05 4:22:30 AM  

lobotomy survivor: NEDM: More shots of the devastation of the port.  Beirut Port is going to shut for a very long time.
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I'm impressed that this large white building, whatever it is, is still partially standing, even though it was located right next to an explosion that leveled pretty much everything else in the entire harbour district of Beirut.


It was a national grain silo.

The amount of grain and general construction itselfarkind of a honeycomb) probably not only kept it standing, but kept a few more people from dying.
 
2020-08-05 4:22:32 AM  

King Something: That would explain why the mushroom cloud was pyramid-shaped.


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2020-08-05 4:23:46 AM  
You can't starve the Lebanese of pita bread! That's inhumane!
 
2020-08-05 4:27:53 AM  
Haven't seen this mentioned yet but the Oklahoma City bombing used a couple tons. This was over 2700 tons.
 
2020-08-05 4:29:06 AM  
Dear SpaceX please send me up next. I already haven't seen my gf in almost 6 months since we're both "essential" and she's immunocomprimised. I'd almost be willing to wait until late October so I can mail in my ballot.
 
2020-08-05 4:29:23 AM  

kayanlau: You can't starve the Lebanese of pita bread! That's inhumane!


Gonna have to visit the local Lebanese/Mediterranean place this month. Chicken Shawarma pitas on sale. Nom.
 
2020-08-05 4:29:43 AM  

olorin604: Haven't seen this mentioned yet but the Oklahoma City bombing used a couple tons. This was over 2700 tons.


It's almost 1500x that amount.
 
2020-08-05 4:30:23 AM  
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Obscure? From the writing quality it should be, but perhaps someone else remembers it.
 
2020-08-05 4:30:40 AM  
When Hezbollah comes out and immediately states this wasn't Israel, you know we're living in a farked up timeline.
 
2020-08-05 4:34:29 AM  

djslowdive: olorin604: Haven't seen this mentioned yet but the Oklahoma City bombing used a couple tons. This was over 2700 tons.

It's almost 1500x that amount.


Stupid multiple tons got me again. Yah jeebus. Wow.
 
2020-08-05 4:37:56 AM  

JerryHeisenberg: make me some tea: Why the hell were they storing all that ammonium nitrate next to the strategic grain reserve??

Unrestrained Capitalism


If by "capitalism," you mean "government incompetence that had nothing to do with capitalism."

An "unrestrained capitalist" would have sold that fertilizer off by late 2014 instead of letting it sit in a building for six more years. It probably cost more to store it for six years than it was actually worth.
 
2020-08-05 4:39:19 AM  

djslowdive: Dear SpaceX please send me up next.


Just find a nice big pile of ammonium nitrate in a third world port, and you won't need SpaceX.
 
2020-08-05 4:41:23 AM  

olorin604: djslowdive: olorin604: Haven't seen this mentioned yet but the Oklahoma City bombing used a couple tons. This was over 2700 tons.

It's almost 1500x that amount.

Stupid multiple tons got me again. Yah jeebus. Wow.


No, you had it right. OKC was 2 tons; 2 x 1350 = 2700. I just pointed out the actual magnitude.
 
2020-08-05 4:42:03 AM  

cirby: djslowdive: Dear SpaceX please send me up next.

Just find a nice big pile of ammonium nitrate in a third world port, and you won't need SpaceX.


I laughed and I probably shouldn't have. Well done.
 
2020-08-05 4:45:35 AM  
Based on the pics NEDM posted upthread, there most definitely was a few shiat tons of grains in that silo complex.  Hard to tell exactly how much, but i would guess it to be about half-full.  The people of Lebanon are going to need help, sharpish.
 
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