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2020-08-05 3:20:03 AM  
then to write
 
2020-08-05 3:39:39 AM  
GRRM was never going to make people happy here.

He was put in a position to fail by the organizers.  As he said in his "apology" (it really wasn't much of an apology taken in context), he was given the names of winners but no pronunciation guide.  He didn't have contact info for almost any of the authors.  His plan was to go around talking to the people before the ceremony to get pronunciations, but that didn't happen because of COVID.

Now, a really good MC would have done a ton of legwork and found agents to get in contact with authors to get pronunciations.  But that's just not who GRRM is.  He was never going to do that kind of thing.  He's a personable guy who will talk to people face to face, but he's never going to grind out info over email like that.

And you always knew that he was going to talk about the past.  He's an old guy who loves old Sci Fi and Fantasy.  If you let him talk about whatever he wants, he's going to talk about stuff from back in the day.

And yes, most of that stuff is by white dudes.  Some of them had questionable ideas by the standards of 2020, and some of them were even kind of questionable by the standards of their day (Lovecraft and Campbell).  But Lovecraft was awarded a Retro Hugo this year, and I think Campbell won something as well.  So it's not like it was crazy to talk about extremely well known people who were winning awards at the ceremony.

Most of the people into the Hugos have been suuuuuper progressive since the Sad/Rabid Puppies fiasco.  So I get that a lot of people wanted GRRM to deliver some kind of progressive statement about how Lovecraft/Campbell sucked despite winning some awards.  But that's never what GRRM was going to do.  I completely get that taking out people like Lovecraft and Campbell is a very 2020 thing to do, but its just not a GRRM thing to do.

So yeah, I guess you could say that GRRM is kind of lazy.  But we knew that already.  And we can say that he isn't really woke by the standards of 2020.  But we knew that too. But I don't think that that makes GRRM a terrible person either.

I'm just kind of sick of the fact that we have to be burning somebody at the stake 24/7.  Some things deserve constant attention (Trump), but an old dude mispronouncing some names and liking Lovecraft's books isn't something that we need to break out pitchforks for.

Just in the future, don't have GRRM be a MC - give him a few beers and let him tell stories of the days of yore in a corner.  Everybody will be happier, including GRRM.
 
2020-08-05 4:39:11 AM  
The ending of the show destroyed any interest I have in the story. He supposedly told them how it was going to end and even though the writing for the show was terrible, the meat of the story doesn't bode well for his books.
 
2020-08-05 4:45:41 AM  

Krazikarl: Most of the people into the Hugos have been suuuuuper progressive since the Sad/Rabid Puppies fiasco.


At the rate they're disavowing the older and more popular SF and fantasy writers, the 2025 Hugos are going to end up being a collection of Ursula K. LeGuin fanfics written by the Hugo committee itself. And nobody will win because it would be exclusionary.
 
2020-08-05 5:01:01 AM  
I wander out on to a baseball diamond in my alternate form as a longhorn cow and say that it's quite possible George was responding to the flamewars on Twitter several weeks ago when writers like Chuck Wendig, Sam Sykes and Myke Cole were being called out for problematic behavior, and someone dragged George's name onto a whole list of writers who should be canceled. You can try to explain that away all you want but it led to the whole brouhaha being described as:

"Whatever passes for SF/literary media has dropped the ball on this one, so let me give you the story.
"SF has, like many professions, been having its MeToo purge. It started in 2018 with a list compiled on an industry forum of male authors not be caught alone in a room with...
"This developed a bit of momentum. A woman in the industry harassed by Myke Cole spoke up about her experiences pre-2018, and then an author who had dated Cole *after* 2018 told
everyone that he was a douchebag who was, in private, not remotely sorry...
"At this point, the MeToo snowball was rolling downhill at a breakneck clip. A female author assembled a list of other problematic authors that includes I shiat you not George R R Martin, and as MeToo movements tend to do, the sinfulness of the targets started getting more petty...
"It is, in conclusion, the most appallingly toxic, douchey, petty, backbiting, hyper-sensitive, snottily judgy, holier-than-thou clusterfark of an industry that I have ever witnessed, and I once worked for two years at a large, busy bar where everybody was farking."

---some guy named Grizwald on Twitter
 
2020-08-05 5:46:32 AM  

Krazikarl: GRRM was never going to make people happy here.

He was put in a position to fail by the organizers.  As he said in his "apology" (it really wasn't much of an apology taken in context), he was given the names of winners but no pronunciation guide.  He didn't have contact info for almost any of the authors.  His plan was to go around talking to the people before the ceremony to get pronunciations, but that didn't happen because of COVID.

Now, a really good MC would have done a ton of legwork and found agents to get in contact with authors to get pronunciations.  But that's just not who GRRM is.  He was never going to do that kind of thing.  He's a personable guy who will talk to people face to face, but he's never going to grind out info over email like that.

And you always knew that he was going to talk about the past.  He's an old guy who loves old Sci Fi and Fantasy.  If you let him talk about whatever he wants, he's going to talk about stuff from back in the day.

And yes, most of that stuff is by white dudes.  Some of them had questionable ideas by the standards of 2020, and some of them were even kind of questionable by the standards of their day (Lovecraft and Campbell).  But Lovecraft was awarded a Retro Hugo this year, and I think Campbell won something as well.  So it's not like it was crazy to talk about extremely well known people who were winning awards at the ceremony.

Most of the people into the Hugos have been suuuuuper progressive since the Sad/Rabid Puppies fiasco.  So I get that a lot of people wanted GRRM to deliver some kind of progressive statement about how Lovecraft/Campbell sucked despite winning some awards.  But that's never what GRRM was going to do.  I completely get that taking out people like Lovecraft and Campbell is a very 2020 thing to do, but its just not a GRRM thing to do.

So yeah, I guess you could say that GRRM is kind of lazy.  But we knew that already.  And we can say that he isn't really woke by the standards of 2020.  But we knew that too. But I don't think that that makes GRRM a terrible person either.

I'm just kind of sick of the fact that we have to be burning somebody at the stake 24/7.  Some things deserve constant attention (Trump), but an old dude mispronouncing some names and liking Lovecraft's books isn't something that we need to break out pitchforks for.

Just in the future, don't have GRRM be a MC - give him a few beers and let him tell stories of the days of yore in a corner.  Everybody will be happier, including GRRM.


Let's also not forget when the whole bad/sad puppies thing was going on he was totally against them and spoke out publicly about what they were trying to do.
 
2020-08-05 6:28:28 AM  

punkwrestler: Let's also not forget when the whole bad/sad puppies thing was going on he was totally against them and spoke out publicly about what they were trying to do.


Which is, again, a reminder that the mob never remembers that you were their ally. Ellen's learning that, and now GRRM.
 
2020-08-05 6:45:42 AM  
In the words written by a much better author.

"farking Pinks" - Ferro Maljinn
 
2020-08-05 7:02:04 AM  

cirby: punkwrestler: Let's also not forget when the whole bad/sad puppies thing was going on he was totally against them and spoke out publicly about what they were trying to do.

Which is, again, a reminder that the mob never remembers that you were their ally. Ellen's learning that, and now GRRM.


Being an activist should not protect you from consequences of your own bad behavior.
 
2020-08-05 7:32:19 AM  

cirby: punkwrestler: Let's also not forget when the whole bad/sad puppies thing was going on he was totally against them and spoke out publicly about what they were trying to do.

Which is, again, a reminder that the mob never remembers that you were their ally. Ellen's learning that, and now GRRM.


To sum up:
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2020-08-05 7:32:24 AM  

sinner4ever: The ending of the show destroyed any interest I have in the story. He supposedly told them how it was going to end and even though the writing for the show was terrible, the meat of the story doesn't bode well for his books.


All the people I know who have been reading the series say the last two books sucked. I don't know why anyone still cares about SoFaI, or thinks he can "save" it from what the TV show did.
 
2020-08-05 7:33:40 AM  

cirby: Krazikarl: Most of the people into the Hugos have been suuuuuper progressive since the Sad/Rabid Puppies fiasco.

At the rate they're disavowing the older and more popular SF and fantasy writers, the 2025 Hugos are going to end up being a collection of Ursula K. LeGuin fanfics written by the Hugo committee itself. And nobody will win because it would be exclusionary.


I just want to know when Chuck Tingle will get his due.
 
2020-08-05 7:35:25 AM  

NathanAllen: In the words written by a much better author.

"farking Pinks" - Ferro Maljinn


"They may be pink, but their money's green."

-JR "Bob" Dobbs
 
2020-08-05 7:55:17 AM  
This nanoaggression has triggered me slightly.
 
2020-08-05 8:04:51 AM  

cirby: Which is, again, a reminder that the mob never remembers that you were their ally. Ellen's learning that, and now GRRM.


But haven't both Ellen and  Martin done shiatty things? I... don't understand. Shouldn't people who do shiatty things get called out for those shiatty things? I've done shiatty things! People have pointed out I was being shiatty! I altered my behavior! It's a thing that people do, sometimes. The fact that I've also done non-shiatty things doesn't mean anybody owes me anything. Expecting constant praise for being non-shiatty is itself pretty shiatty behavior.
 
2020-08-05 8:10:35 AM  
A Hugo Award is only confirmation that a work had the correct political orientation, as demonstrated by both the Sad Puppy campaigns and my own experience with a number of the winning books.  Some of the winning books have been rather...lackluster.
 
2020-08-05 8:12:36 AM  

State_College_Arsonist: A Hugo Award is only confirmation that a work had the correct political orientation


That's a weird way to say "approval of the broader sci-fi community". I mean, Hugos don't mean shiat, don't get me wrong, but what little they do mean is that "the community of sci-fi writers and readers liked it and thought it had merit".
 
2020-08-05 8:14:35 AM  
GRRM is what happens when a nerd who's been ignored his entire life suddenly becomes one of the most popular people on the planet.

He's too busy basking in the popularity he never had as a kid to write anything.
 
2020-08-05 8:56:30 AM  

t3knomanser: State_College_Arsonist: A Hugo Award is only confirmation that a work had the correct political orientation

That's a weird way to say "approval of the broader sci-fi community". I mean, Hugos don't mean shiat, don't get me wrong, but what little they do mean is that "the community of sci-fi writers and readers liked it and thought it had merit".


The Worldcon community is a subset of the SF community, and one that has a very politicized mindset.  The puppy kickers proved that quite clearly.
 
2020-08-05 8:58:31 AM  

sinner4ever: The ending of the show destroyed any interest I have in the story. He supposedly told them how it was going to end and even though the writing for the show was terrible, the meat of the story doesn't bode well for his books.


Yeah, what a shame. After watching the first 7 seasons I was looking forward to going back and reading the books to see all the background of the plots. How all the speculation on the prince Hoth at was promised, the assassin guild, the flame cult all that stuff. Tvtropes really had me excited about all this stuff and then we cut away to the most generic tropey fantasy crap.
 
2020-08-05 9:04:28 AM  

Krazikarl: I'm just kind of sick of the fact that we have to be burning somebody at the stake 24/7.  Some things deserve constant attention (Trump), but an old dude mispronouncing some names and liking Lovecraft's books isn't something that we need to break out pitchforks for.


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2020-08-05 9:07:15 AM  
Everybody being dicks in this thread.

He mispronounced Mur Lafferty.  Mur. Three letters.

Zero farking excuse. Yeah, the people and their particular things that micro-transgress are hard to keep track of, but Campbell? That was a gigantic deal JUST LAST YEAR.  And talking about a statues junk? WTF?
 
2020-08-05 9:12:27 AM  

State_College_Arsonist: The Worldcon community is a subset of the SF community, and one that has a very politicized mindset.


And? Clearly they are- I honestly couldn't have told you that Worldcon was the org that hands out Hugos, but I'm an avid reader of sci-fi (and my spouse is a sci-fi author). Don't ask me who hands out Nebulas or... whatever the other big award is.

The point is, why are we shocked that a community hands awards to people/work the community approves of? That's not "politicized", that's just... how communities work.
 
2020-08-05 9:13:39 AM  

cirby: punkwrestler: Let's also not forget when the whole bad/sad puppies thing was going on he was totally against them and spoke out publicly about what they were trying to do.

Which is, again, a reminder that the mob never remembers that you were their ally. Ellen's learning that, and now GRRM.


Being on the right side of issues doesn't make you immune to criticism when you fark up.
 
2020-08-05 9:17:44 AM  

Screaming Candle: micro-transgress


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2020-08-05 9:19:25 AM  
Elsewhere, Martin made a joke about the Oscar statuette not being a man and instead being a "golden eunuch", which former Best Fan Writer Hugo nominee Natalie Luhrs labelled "gender essentialist and transphobic".

Really? We can't say eunuch anymore? "Gender essentialist?"  Is Dustin Hoffman going to get a ration of shiat for having said the Oscar statue "has no genitals and is holding a sword?"
 
2020-08-05 9:21:40 AM  

Two16: Screaming Candle: micro-transgress

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In context, I blew off micro-transgressions as not worthy of comment. Way to twist meaning, jackquis.
 
2020-08-05 9:29:35 AM  

PanicAttack: GRRM is what happens when a nerd who's been ignored his entire life suddenly becomes one of the most popular people on the planet.

He's too busy basking in the popularity he never had as a kid to write anything.


This times 10. Every photo I've ever seen of GRRM makes him look like a smirking closet masturbator who collects model trains in his basement and who's only forcing himself to maintain eye contact because he wants to see the exact moment when you notice that he farted. He's led a life of schlubby isolation, where a hot Friday night consisted of him shuffling around a house full of cats with a mug full of tea, and suddenly he was thrust into the unyielding limelight because of something he wrote 30 years before. Any impetus he might have ever had toward productive writing is long gone.
 
2020-08-05 9:33:42 AM  

Barricaded Gunman: Every photo I've ever seen of GRRM makes him look like a smirking closet masturbator who collects model trains in his basement and who's only forcing himself to maintain eye contact because he wants to see the exact moment when you notice that he farted. He's led a life of schlubby isolation, where a hot Friday night consisted of him shuffling around a house full of cats with a mug full of tea,


So, a 4 digit Fark ID?
 
2020-08-05 9:35:30 AM  
Martin might be kind of a jackass, but this is nowhere near the time Harlan Ellison grabbed Connie Willis' tit on stage at the Hugos while fellating a microphone.

I believe at the time he held second-most-Hugos ever won, and she was in first place.
 
2020-08-05 9:36:16 AM  

t3knomanser: cirby: Which is, again, a reminder that the mob never remembers that you were their ally. Ellen's learning that, and now GRRM.

But haven't both Ellen and  Martin done shiatty things? I... don't understand. Shouldn't people who do shiatty things get called out for those shiatty things? I've done shiatty things! People have pointed out I was being shiatty! I altered my behavior! It's a thing that people do, sometimes. The fact that I've also done non-shiatty things doesn't mean anybody owes me anything. Expecting constant praise for being non-shiatty is itself pretty shiatty behavior.


No, they honestly probably haven't done much of anything that's bed enough to end their careers over.

They did things and acted in certain way, and that was all according to the rules, right up until the day the rules got changed because someone decided they needed to virtue signal.

GRRM is being called out for, in part, mispronouncing names and apologizing for it in a way they didn't like. Think about that for a moment.

Ellen? She's being called out because some people in her show management team are rude and may or may not have done some other things. So friggin' what?

So the virtue signalers decided they needed to show their power, and now the woman who was a darling of the Left for the last twenty years is suddenly a non-person. And GRRM, who has been pretty faithful for a very long time, is on the way out.
 
2020-08-05 9:38:14 AM  

State_College_Arsonist: A Hugo Award is only confirmation that a work had the correct political orientation, as demonstrated by both the Sad Puppy campaigns .


Pffffffffft! OK there bud.
 
2020-08-05 9:38:21 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: cirby: Krazikarl: Most of the people into the Hugos have been suuuuuper progressive since the Sad/Rabid Puppies fiasco.

At the rate they're disavowing the older and more popular SF and fantasy writers, the 2025 Hugos are going to end up being a collection of Ursula K. LeGuin fanfics written by the Hugo committee itself. And nobody will win because it would be exclusionary.

I just want to know when Chuck Tingle will get his due.


PoundedinthebuttbyTyroneSlothrop'sfrie​ndlypostabouttheHugos might get him there.
 
2020-08-05 9:58:17 AM  

PanicAttack: GRRM is what happens when a nerd who's been ignored his entire life suddenly becomes one of the most popular people on the planet.

He's too busy basking in the popularity he never had as a kid to write anything.


Sounds like that dude who made mine craft 🤔

3 something billion dollars out of nowhere is going to make a person do some strange shiat
 
2020-08-05 10:20:09 AM  

State_College_Arsonist: A Hugo Award is only confirmation that a work had the correct political orientation, as demonstrated by both the Sad Puppy campaigns and my own experience with a number of the winning books.  Some of the winning books have been rather...lackluster.


The Puppies brigade-nominated an open racist who published a book that had two Chapter Fives in it for the "Best Editor" Hugo.

But sure, it's the progressives that are pushing mediocre people that have the "correct" political views for Hugos.
 
2020-08-05 10:22:15 AM  

cirby: Krazikarl: Most of the people into the Hugos have been suuuuuper progressive since the Sad/Rabid Puppies fiasco.

At the rate they're disavowing the older and more popular SF and fantasy writers, the 2025 Hugos are going to end up being a collection of Ursula K. LeGuin fanfics written by the Hugo committee itself. And nobody will win because it would be exclusionary.


Except for her being one of the authors who had no problem with the whole incest/pedo thing happening in 60s/70s/80s scifi and the predators pushing the Sexual Revolution.

/Even Asimov felt pressured to write a pro-incest sequence in Robots of Dawn when he wasn't molesting groupies.
 
2020-08-05 10:28:08 AM  

cirby: GRRM is being called out for, in part, mispronouncing names and apologizing for it in a way they didn't like.


You misspelled "for mispronouncing names when even the most basic research and due diligence would have informed him of the correct pronunciations".


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But I guess he was too busy not writing his latest GoT novel to bother to, y'know, prepare for his duties MCing the biggest sci-fi and fantasy book awards ceremony.
 
2020-08-05 11:02:33 AM  

cirby: No, they honestly probably haven't done much of anything that's bed enough to end their careers over.


Good that neither of them have their careers over yet, but even if they did end, perhaps that should be a lesson to people who build a career that requires them to be popular to continue it.

cirby: GRRM is being called out for, in part, mispronouncing names and apologizing for it in a way they didn't like. Think about that for a moment.


I... I don't understand what your problem is? If you're MCing a presentation, the absolute least you could do is get the pronunciations right. You just farking ask ahead of time, and while it's more on the organizers to provide that information, at the end of the day, the words are coming out of your mouth. Do your frickin' job, and don't whine when people point out you didn't.

cirby: Ellen? She's being called out because some people in her show management team are rude and may or may not have done some other things. So friggin' what?


I agree, so frickin' what? As in, "so people are calling her out, I don't see what the problem is?"

cirby: and now the woman who was a darling of the Left for the last twenty years


I mean, I don't keep up with celebrity gossip, but Ellen has been a darling of the center, the "good gay" (non-threatening to the status quo), the actual left has never really particularly given a flying fark, and she was originally cancelled back when she hung out with Bush, and we can see how much that ruined her career.

"Oh, these people with loads of power and wealth maybe weren't paragons and people are being mean to them now. WON'T ANYONE THINK OF THE POOR CELEBRITIES!?" Fark off. Nobody's entitled to retain their position of power and privilege just by existing, and does anyone really think Ellen or GRRM really deserve the power and privilege they currently have? I don't.
 
2020-08-05 11:15:17 AM  

A'isha P.: cirby: GRRM is being called out for, in part, mispronouncing names and apologizing for it in a way they didn't like.

You misspelled "for mispronouncing names when even the most basic research and due diligence would have informed him of the correct pronunciations".



Out of curiosity, did you research Martin's pronoun preferences before making this post or did you just assume?
 
2020-08-05 11:34:04 AM  
Wow, they had to reach deep into the rage bucket on this one.
I dislike GRRM as much as any abandoned Ice and Fire reader, but this is a non story
 
2020-08-05 12:00:57 PM  

luidprand: Even Asimov felt pressured to write a pro-incest sequence in Robots of Dawn when he wasn't molesting groupies.


I'm really surprised that Asimov molesting pretty much every woman at every Convention and then joking about it with his friends hasn't blown up yet.  But I guess that people don't care much about Asimov nowadays.
 
2020-08-05 12:13:54 PM  
Subby is not allowed to call ANYONE a "dumbass" until they recognize the difference between "then" and "than".   Dumb Ass.
 
2020-08-05 12:28:48 PM  

t3knomanser: And? Clearly they are- I honestly couldn't have told you that Worldcon was the org that hands out Hugos, but I'm an avid reader of sci-fi (and my spouse is a sci-fi author). Don't ask me who hands out Nebulas or... whatever the other big award is.

The point is, why are we shocked that a community hands awards to people/work the community approves of? That's not "politicized", that's just... how communities work.


Ehhhh.  The Hugos have always had some of the effect that you're talking about.  Certain authors regularly got nominations because they were part of the "in" crowd even though their books didn't deserve it.

But since the Puppies crap, its been a little extreme for me.  Back in the day, it could be years between nominations of a female author for best novel.  That was rightfully taken as a sexism problem on the part of the Hugos.  The fact that its now been a few years since any man was nominated for best novel, and that women are getting over 90% of the writing category nominations seems to be indicating that something pretty strong is happening right now.  I'm not saying its sexism, but I am saying that there is a pretty heavy thumb on the scale here.

The reason I've heard from people involved is something along the lines of "women are the only ones writing socially relevant works in this day and age".  I can understand skewing towards female writers due to what's happening the world, but when it becomes almost only female authors by design its a bit too far in my opinion.

There's also a pretty big helping of "SciFi had a problem with sexism for years (and it really did), so we're just making up for that".  But I'm not a fan of the idea that skewing things in one direction today somehow is justified because things were messed up decades ago.
 
2020-08-05 12:44:06 PM  

A'isha P.: cirby: GRRM is being called out for, in part, mispronouncing names and apologizing for it in a way they didn't like.

You misspelled "for mispronouncing names when even the most basic research and due diligence would have informed him of the correct pronunciations".


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But I guess he was too busy not writing his latest GoT novel to bother to, y'know, prepare for his duties MCing the biggest sci-fi and fantasy book awards ceremony.


No, I wrote it correctly.

You see, when you bring someone in to do that sort of job, while it's nice if he knows this stuff ahead of time, you should still have a rehearsal, and have someone hand him an OFFICIAL list of names with phonetic notes.

That's just how it's done.

And if he screws up the pronunciation, don't freak out, just quietly correct him and let him apologize instead of freaking out AGAIN over the apology if he doesn't do it to your taste.
 
2020-08-05 12:48:37 PM  

luidprand: cirby: Krazikarl: Most of the people into the Hugos have been suuuuuper progressive since the Sad/Rabid Puppies fiasco.

At the rate they're disavowing the older and more popular SF and fantasy writers, the 2025 Hugos are going to end up being a collection of Ursula K. LeGuin fanfics written by the Hugo committee itself. And nobody will win because it would be exclusionary.

Except for her being one of the authors who had no problem with the whole incest/pedo thing happening in 60s/70s/80s scifi and the predators pushing the Sexual Revolution.


What do you mean "except?" I mentioned LeGuin for exactly that reason.

The incest/pedo thing is a BONUS for some of the current fandom bigwigs. Nasty bunch of people.
 
2020-08-05 12:55:51 PM  

t3knomanser: I... I don't understand what your problem is? If you're MCing a presentation, the absolute least you could do is get the pronunciations right. You just farking ask ahead of time, and while it's more on the organizers to provide that information, at the end of the day, the words are coming out of your mouth. Do your frickin' job, and don't whine when people point out you didn't.


Except they're not "pointing out" that he didn't. They're starting another of those damn Me Too type witch hunts.

And that's my problem. The actual situation is "oh, he mispronounced some names? Oops. How embarrassing."

ConZealand put out a public apology, and admitted that THEY had a copy of the phonetic pronunciations available, and didn't tell GRRM. The responses on Twitter are just ridiculous, including multiple accusations of racism and sexism against GRRM for... not saying names right.
 
2020-08-05 1:06:36 PM  

t3knomanser: I mean, I don't keep up with celebrity gossip, but Ellen has been a darling of the center, the "good gay" (non-threatening to the status quo), the actual left has never really particularly given a flying fark,


Sorry, but that's just plain false.

While she's popular on both sides of the political fence, for the early part of her talk show career, she was THE lesbian celebrity, and insanely popular with the gay community and the American Left.

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-ra​d​io/2016/nov/27/ellen-degeneres-talksho​w-host-medal-freedom-liberal-america-l​earned-love

https://makinggayhistory.com/podcast/​e​llen-degeneres/
 
2020-08-05 1:26:03 PM  
Back in the day, it could be years between nominations of a female author for best novel. That was rightfully taken as a sexism problem on the part of the Hugos. The fact that its now been a few years since any man was nominated for best novel, and that women are getting over 90% of the writing category nominations seems to be indicating that something pretty strong is happening right now.

This is the reason I quit following the Hugos. All i want is a list of good books to check out, I really, honestly don't give a single shiat about the author's personal views on anything. I'm not farking befriending them. This pretty much goes for any content creator. If there are themes in their work that bother me I'll consume something else, all I need to know about them is their pen name.
 
2020-08-05 2:03:15 PM  

Persnickety: A'isha P.: cirby: GRRM is being called out for, in part, mispronouncing names and apologizing for it in a way they didn't like.

You misspelled "for mispronouncing names when even the most basic research and due diligence would have informed him of the correct pronunciations".


Out of curiosity, did you research Martin's pronoun preferences before making this post or did you just assume?


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2020-08-05 2:14:43 PM  

cirby: And that's my problem. The actual situation is "oh, he mispronounced some names? Oops. How embarrassing."


How insulting. It's not embarrassing, it's insulting, it implies Martin didn't care enough about the people he was honoring to even check. Like, hey, I used to run training classes for software developers. And a lot of those classes were populated by people from Southeast Asia. I would be given a sign in sheet, expected to call roll, and I did not know how to pronounce many of the names on that sheet. So I just asked. (Actually what I did was have people introduce themselves so that they would say their name, and I'd just remember that, because nobody wants to be put on the spot with "I don't know how to say your name," in front of a room of people)

The basic act of demonstrating that you care about other people is the bare minimum we can expect from a public figure.

cirby: and the American Left.


You seem to think Obama represents the left. Obama was an extremely conservative politician, in the traditional sense of the word (not the mouth-foaming radicalism that has replaced "conservatives"). Like, no, Obama giving someone an award doesn't mean that the left approves of them. Hell, if that's the logic, then Clinton fawning over Kissenger means that the left somehow loves Kissinger, and fark you 2020, if there were one person you could farking kill, it's that asshole. I'm still young, but I fear I might not outlive Kissinger, which would be a tragedy.
 
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