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2020-08-04 5:26:11 PM  
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2020-08-04 9:50:19 PM  
40,000 Benghazis
53 nine-elevens
0 Congressional inquiries
 
2020-08-04 10:02:34 PM  
I really wanted to watch the whole interview, but I just can't. Give credit to the reporter for knowing the facts and pushing back, but the Trump lies and stupidity are too painful to watch.

I'm going to increase my donations to the Biden campaign. He MUST win.
 
2020-08-04 10:43:50 PM  
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2020-08-04 11:13:25 PM  
After Watergate, a lot of young people were inspired to enter journalism. Maybe this guy will encourage some folks. We could certainly use more like him.
 
2020-08-04 11:35:51 PM  

edmo: After Watergate, a lot of young people were inspired to enter journalism. Maybe this guy will encourage some folks. We could certainly use more like him.


I'd rather be inspired to enter burglary.
 
2020-08-04 11:39:55 PM  
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2020-08-05 12:33:53 AM  
If you listen carefully, you can hear the Lincoln Project machine whirring happily.
 
2020-08-05 12:39:30 AM  
"It it what it is."

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"I yam what I yam."

 
2020-08-05 1:12:48 AM  
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2020-08-05 1:34:39 AM  

tonguedepressor: If you listen carefully, you can hear the Lincoln Project machine whirring happily.


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2020-08-05 1:39:03 AM  
How can people still be waiting for him to show the slightest bit of sympathy or concern over the dead and their families?

We're six months into this and his only response is, was, and forever shall be "those selfish, mean, dead assholes are making me look bad, but I can't be too mad because the ratings are boffo!"
 
2020-08-05 2:07:53 AM  
I don't understand how people can actually watch him talk, and not come to the conclusion he's an idiot.

They have to be able to tell his yammering makes no sense, right?
 
2020-08-05 2:08:50 AM  
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2020-08-05 2:08:54 AM  
I think we need a bigger fail tag.
 
2020-08-05 2:10:55 AM  

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It's sad that I feel compelled to check if he said that, because knowing Trump I could easily believe all of those are direct quotes from that interview.
 
2020-08-05 2:11:25 AM  

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so very saved
 
2020-08-05 2:18:53 AM  

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Sadly that's not all that far off what's actually happening.

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2020-08-05 2:22:22 AM  
Genocidal maniac.
 
2020-08-05 2:22:52 AM  
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2020-08-05 2:28:00 AM  

fusillade762: mjjt: [Fark user image 505x540]

Sadly that's not all that far off what's actually happening.

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Is that for real? That's farking terrifying.
 
2020-08-05 2:28:42 AM  
Thanks for the tautology there Donnie, you hollow, selfish imbecile.
 
2020-08-05 2:30:04 AM  
Speaking of voting this might be something new. Some people received incomplete ballots. Trial run here?

https://tucson.com/news/local/41-repu​b​lican-ballots-mishandled-at-tucson-vot​ing-site/article_03be75a6-d6a5-11ea-9e​f3-5f3b91e39bc4.html
 
2020-08-05 2:34:57 AM  

NotCodger: I really wanted to watch the whole interview, but I just can't. Give credit to the reporter for knowing the facts and pushing back, but the Trump lies and stupidity are too painful to watch.

I'm going to increase my donations to the Biden campaign. He MUST win.


I actually just watched ~15 minutes of it.  I'd say it contained less lying, more raw stupid.

It gave me the impression of a child giving a presentation on a project their parent put together the night before and didn't bother to review with them.  Someone else hastily tossed something together, stuck some notes and large, pretty graphs in his hand as he walked in the door, and wished him luck.

He's trying to put a businessman spin on it (and failing), trying to rip the numbers in his favor, but there's that basic lack of understanding that someone who understands a subject, even at a fundamental level.
 
2020-08-05 2:35:51 AM  

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When they told you he lies more naturally than you breathe, and then you realize they were telling the literal truth.
 
2020-08-05 2:44:16 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: How can people still be waiting for him to show the slightest bit of sympathy or concern over the dead and their families?

We're six months into this and his only response is, was, and forever shall be "those selfish, mean, dead assholes are making me look bad, but I can't be too mad because the ratings are boffo!"


How can you say that?  Trump has said many times that even one death is too many.  He stopped counting after one death though.
 
2020-08-05 2:54:21 AM  

vrax: How can you say that?  Trump has said many times that even one death is too many.  He stopped counting after one death though.


That's because his counting skills are only slightly better than a gully dwarf.
 
2020-08-05 3:02:56 AM  

Alphax: vrax: How can you say that?  Trump has said many times that even one death is too many.  He stopped counting after one death though.

That's because his counting skills are only slightly better than a gully dwarf.


On par with a troll's, I'd say.

"One, two, many, lots."
 
2020-08-05 3:04:16 AM  

Natalie Portmanteau: I don't understand how people can actually watch him talk, and not come to the conclusion he's an idiot.

They have to be able to tell his yammering makes no sense, right?


it isn't what you say, its how you say it.

He keeps talking and sounds confident, which means something to people who can only follow tone and not what is being said.

if Swan looks flustered, that is a good thing.  if Swan makes a face, then Donny surely told him what for.

if Swan asks a new line of questions since he knows Trump is unwilling to answer the question, then Trump won the last round.

some other farker put it well, you are playing chess with a pigeon and the crowd is routing for the pigeon to shiat on the table.
 
2020-08-05 3:04:29 AM  
Trump aside, it's pretty telling that members of this administration, Congress, etc, have just started to see Americans as numbers, not people. It's an extreme viewpoint, but when that happens, the country should be broken up into smaller ones. Your government should never see you as numbers.
 
2020-08-05 3:15:49 AM  
I'm proud that it is one of our own reporters who really stuck it to Trump in this interview!

"Armed with his own facts, Axios's Australian reporter Jonathan Swan seized the opportunity to pick apart the data with basic follow-up questions."

AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE OI OI OI!

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-0​5​/donald-trump-axios-interview-jonathan​-swan/12524552
 
2020-08-05 3:37:33 AM  
Devil's advocate - could there be anything to his whole testing talking point? I.e., could other nations be getting similar #s of Covid deaths but not be counting them as Covid related because they aren't testing for it?
 
2020-08-05 3:39:59 AM  

aleister_greynight: I think we need a bigger fail tag.


So a Trump tag?
 
2020-08-05 3:43:59 AM  

dailygrinds: Devil's advocate - could there be anything to his whole testing talking point? I.e., could other nations be getting similar #s of Covid deaths but not be counting them as Covid related because they aren't testing for it?


No.

I would say more, but 'no' is all that "argument" deserves.
 
2020-08-05 3:53:48 AM  
 "It is what it is" is something I usually hear from football coaches in press conferences. I don't want that sh*t coming from the White House.
 
2020-08-05 3:55:18 AM  
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2020-08-05 4:14:23 AM  

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Where did you find this?
 
2020-08-05 4:17:49 AM  

taipei_lad: dailygrinds: Devil's advocate - could there be anything to his whole testing talking point? I.e., could other nations be getting similar #s of Covid deaths but not be counting them as Covid related because they aren't testing for it?

No.

I would say more, but 'no' is all that "argument" deserves.


I know it seems farcical but I like to be as correct as possible and if there's a shred of reality in that talking point, I'd like to know what it is and where it comes from.
 
2020-08-05 4:25:50 AM  

dailygrinds: taipei_lad: dailygrinds: Devil's advocate - could there be anything to his whole testing talking point? I.e., could other nations be getting similar #s of Covid deaths but not be counting them as Covid related because they aren't testing for it?

No.

I would say more, but 'no' is all that "argument" deserves.

I know it seems farcical but I like to be as correct as possible and if there's a shred of reality in that talking point, I'd like to know what it is and where it comes from.


I mean, isn't that argument basically that incompetent regimes would seek to cover up their official death counts to save face? Also implying that, in the grand scheme of things and if true, then America's deaths per capita is relatively lower than that of regimes withholding information.
 
2020-08-05 4:41:41 AM  

JerryHeisenberg: dailygrinds: taipei_lad: dailygrinds: Devil's advocate - could there be anything to his whole testing talking point? I.e., could other nations be getting similar #s of Covid deaths but not be counting them as Covid related because they aren't testing for it?

No.

I would say more, but 'no' is all that "argument" deserves.

I know it seems farcical but I like to be as correct as possible and if there's a shred of reality in that talking point, I'd like to know what it is and where it comes from.

I mean, isn't that argument basically that incompetent regimes would seek to cover up their official death counts to save face? Also implying that, in the grand scheme of things and if true, then America's deaths per capita is relatively lower than that of regimes withholding information.


yes.  there is merit to the idea that other countries are playing "statistics" and downplaying numbers for various political reasons.

Which strikes at a basic premise that seem to make that possibility not important.

Just because there are X people dying in another country while you only have X-10 dying in your country, that should not make the X-10 number* any more palatable.   X-10 people are dying in your country, that is the problem to focus on.

*Replace with any absolute, relative and per capita metrics and it still holds true.
 
2020-08-05 5:38:06 AM  

Hyjamon: JerryHeisenberg: dailygrinds: taipei_lad: dailygrinds: Devil's advocate - could there be anything to his whole testing talking point? I.e., could other nations be getting similar #s of Covid deaths but not be counting them as Covid related because they aren't testing for it?

No.

I would say more, but 'no' is all that "argument" deserves.

I know it seems farcical but I like to be as correct as possible and if there's a shred of reality in that talking point, I'd like to know what it is and where it comes from.

I mean, isn't that argument basically that incompetent regimes would seek to cover up their official death counts to save face? Also implying that, in the grand scheme of things and if true, then America's deaths per capita is relatively lower than that of regimes withholding information.

yes.  there is merit to the idea that other countries are playing "statistics" and downplaying numbers for various political reasons.

Which strikes at a basic premise that seem to make that possibility not important.

Just because there are X people dying in another country while you only have X-10 dying in your country, that should not make the X-10 number* any more palatable.   X-10 people are dying in your country, that is the problem to focus on.

*Replace with any absolute, relative and per capita metrics and it still holds true.


I agree, but I believe the argument is coming from a standpoint of "nearly every other country on the planet is limiting testing to fudge their numbers, and therefore by comparison, the United States response under Trump has been excellent/as-good-as-it-could-have-bee​n/etc." It's delusion, but I've been down this rabbit hole with people on other sites.
 
2020-08-05 5:43:53 AM  

JerryHeisenberg: I agree, but I believe the argument is coming from a standpoint of "nearly every other country on the planet is limiting testing to fudge their numbers, and therefore by comparison, the United States response under Trump has been excellent/as-good-as-it-could-have-bee​n/etc." It's delusion, but I've been down this rabbit hole with people on other sites.


I mean just because spurious arguments have been made before elsewhere is no reason to give it even a shred of credence here. The United States has by far some of the worst response to the COVID pandemic in the entire world. There is no factual rebuttal of my statement.
 
2020-08-05 6:08:04 AM  

dailygrinds: Devil's advocate - could there be anything to his whole testing talking point? I.e., could other nations be getting similar #s of Covid deaths but not be counting them as Covid related because they aren't testing for it?


We're 18th in testing per capita. The important metric is positive results as a percentage of tests. If you test 100 people and get back 1 positive, you're doing much better than if you got 30 positive.

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2020-08-05 6:38:52 AM  

Natalie Portmanteau: I don't understand how people can actually watch him talk, and not come to the conclusion he's an idiot.

They have to be able to tell his yammering makes no sense, right?


Because he's at or slightly above the mental level they are? Idiots abound.
 
2020-08-05 6:54:22 AM  

krispos42: dailygrinds: Devil's advocate - could there be anything to his whole testing talking point? I.e., could other nations be getting similar #s of Covid deaths but not be counting them as Covid related because they aren't testing for it?

We're 18th in testing per capita. The important metric is positive results as a percentage of tests. If you test 100 people and get back 1 positive, you're doing much better than if you got 30 positive.

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Which seems to be where his argument completely breaks down. If few tests are being conducted, one would assume the bulk of those tests are on symptomatic patients and therefore a higher mortality rate would be expected. As testing increases to the point of testing significant numbers of the asymptomatic, mortality rate should decrease. Has he tried to make the case that we are not testing enough asymptomatic people compared to other nations? If so, what proportion of the blame falls to Obama and what portion to the deep state?
 
2020-08-05 7:00:14 AM  
The fact that we have outstripped American deaths in Vietnam should scare the bejeebus out of folks, considering how blase the Right is about those deaths. They don't matter. YOU don't matter. Your parents, your grandparents, your kids, your siblings, your neighbors, they don't matter. It's just the cost of doing business, and it's a cost that America has to shoulder so that they can get their dividends.
 
2020-08-05 7:26:55 AM  

starsrift: Trump aside, it's pretty telling that members of this administration, Congress, etc, have just started to see Americans as numbers, not people. It's an extreme viewpoint, but when that happens, the country should be broken up into smaller ones. Your government should never see you as numbers.


just started?
 
2020-08-05 7:31:25 AM  

JerryHeisenberg: Hyjamon: JerryHeisenberg: dailygrinds: taipei_lad: dailygrinds: Devil's advocate - could there be anything to his whole testing talking point? I.e., could other nations be getting similar #s of Covid deaths but not be counting them as Covid related because they aren't testing for it?

No.

I would say more, but 'no' is all that "argument" deserves.

I know it seems farcical but I like to be as correct as possible and if there's a shred of reality in that talking point, I'd like to know what it is and where it comes from.

I mean, isn't that argument basically that incompetent regimes would seek to cover up their official death counts to save face? Also implying that, in the grand scheme of things and if true, then America's deaths per capita is relatively lower than that of regimes withholding information.

yes.  there is merit to the idea that other countries are playing "statistics" and downplaying numbers for various political reasons.

Which strikes at a basic premise that seem to make that possibility not important.

Just because there are X people dying in another country while you only have X-10 dying in your country, that should not make the X-10 number* any more palatable.   X-10 people are dying in your country, that is the problem to focus on.

*Replace with any absolute, relative and per capita metrics and it still holds true.

I agree, but I believe the argument is coming from a standpoint of "nearly every other country on the planet is limiting testing to fudge their numbers, and therefore by comparison, the United States response under Trump has been excellent/as-good-as-it-could-have-bee​n/etc." It's delusion, but I've been down this rabbit hole with people on other sites.


Well we know that there's at least one country lying about cause of death so that they can under-report COVID deaths and make the numbers look better. We know this because it's America doing it.
 
2020-08-05 7:49:03 AM  

Boondock3806: 40,000 Benghazis
53 nine-elevens
0 Congressional inquiries


Well I'm sure they'll be trying to Impeach Biden in retrospect for all the covid deaths in January.
 
2020-08-05 7:56:16 AM  

hubiestubert: The fact that we have outstripped American deaths in Vietnam should scare the bejeebus out of folks, considering how blase the Right is about those deaths. They don't matter. YOU don't matter. Your parents, your grandparents, your kids, your siblings, your neighbors, they don't matter. It's just the cost of doing business, and it's a cost that America has to shoulder so that they can get their dividends.


And they did it in 6 months, thereabout.  It took 15 years in Vietnam.  They don't care about their aides in their office, who they know. Don't care about their supporters, who they need.  Don't care about their fellow Congressmen, who they work closely with.  We are less than nothing to them.  Anyone who listens to their advice is basically listening to people who wouldn't shrug if you and your whole family died from following it.
 
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