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2020-08-04 4:47:46 PM  
That's almost 3 lies per minute.  He's probably done that for shorter stints before, but that is a stunning amount of bullshiat to be spewing for 35 minutes
 
2020-08-04 4:50:39 PM  
I'm watching it right now.

"I've done things no other President has ever done."

Yes, we know.
 
2020-08-04 4:52:04 PM  

Nadie_AZ: I'm watching it right now.

"I've done things no other President has ever done."

Yes, we know.


... and that's the problem!
 
2020-08-04 5:03:26 PM  
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2020-08-04 5:06:52 PM  
Some of these aren't lies, exactly.  They're just incredibly dumb things to say.

LIE: Trump says the 1918 pandemic was unlike this one because it was a "flu"-and that's why COVID-19 threw everyone everywhere for a loop.

TRUTH: Trump began the pandemic trying to convince America COVID-19 was indeed just like the flu-even as experts were telling him otherwise.


That's not a lie.  COVID threw everyone everywhere for a loop.  COVID is not the flu.  The 1918 flu was a flu.  These things are true.  These facts just don't mean anything in the particular arrangement Trump has given them.  It doesn't matter if one is, strictly speaking, a flu and the other is not.  A pandemic is a pandemic.  And all pandemics will always throw everyone everywhere for a loop, because that's what pandemics are and what they do.

LIE: Trump says that of the 188 countries with COVID-19, "some are suffering proportionately far greater than we are."

TRUTH: The U.S. ranks 1st of 188 in total cases. Per capita, it ranks 7th in deaths and 8th in cases-and these rankings are rising toward "1st of 188" rankings.


Also technically true.  Some countries, i.e.6 or 7, have suffered proportionately worse than us.  That's like bragging that Trump's businesses are doing much, much better in today's economy than Jeffrey Epstein's.
 
2020-08-04 5:11:38 PM  
I hate when I end up fact checking the fact checker.

LIE: Trump says China "sent" the virus "one way or another."

TRUTH: The Pentagon says it has no evidence China deliberately "sent" the virus to anyone. Even as to possible accidental outbreak in a "wet market," there is evidence the virus was elsewhere in the world before China.


Um, there is?  Since when?  First I've heard of this farking theory.
 
2020-08-04 5:13:56 PM  

Geotpf: I hate when I end up fact checking the fact checker.

LIE: Trump says China "sent" the virus "one way or another."

TRUTH: The Pentagon says it has no evidence China deliberately "sent" the virus to anyone. Even as to possible accidental outbreak in a "wet market," there is evidence the virus was elsewhere in the world before China.

Um, there is?  Since when?  First I've heard of this farking theory.


There was some found in France dating back to November or so, I think.  But I'm pretty sure they've found it in China back that early too.
 
2020-08-04 5:18:43 PM  

Geotpf: I hate when I end up fact checking the fact checker.

LIE: Trump says China "sent" the virus "one way or another."

TRUTH: The Pentagon says it has no evidence China deliberately "sent" the virus to anyone. Even as to possible accidental outbreak in a "wet market," there is evidence the virus was elsewhere in the world before China.

Um, there is?  Since when?  First I've heard of this farking theory.


There were 2 strands. One went from China over to Europe and then jumped the pond and landed in NYC. The one that Washington State got ahold of and stopped was from China. The one that ravaged NYC was from Europe.
 
2020-08-04 5:23:43 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Geotpf: I hate when I end up fact checking the fact checker.

LIE: Trump says China "sent" the virus "one way or another."

TRUTH: The Pentagon says it has no evidence China deliberately "sent" the virus to anyone. Even as to possible accidental outbreak in a "wet market," there is evidence the virus was elsewhere in the world before China.

Um, there is?  Since when?  First I've heard of this farking theory.

There were 2 strands. One went from China over to Europe and then jumped the pond and landed in NYC. The one that Washington State got ahold of and stopped was from China. The one that ravaged NYC was from Europe.


There was also a study that suggested that the dominant form of the virus in people in Wuhan was not the same as the dominant form of the virus found bats in Wuhan.  So that would be some evidence that the virus came from somewhere else, presumably somewhere else with bats.  But as far as I can tell, that idea is pretty raw, speculative, and not worth serious consideration at this point.
 
2020-08-04 5:45:16 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Geotpf: I hate when I end up fact checking the fact checker.

LIE: Trump says China "sent" the virus "one way or another."

TRUTH: The Pentagon says it has no evidence China deliberately "sent" the virus to anyone. Even as to possible accidental outbreak in a "wet market," there is evidence the virus was elsewhere in the world before China.

Um, there is?  Since when?  First I've heard of this farking theory.

There were 2 strands. One went from China over to Europe and then jumped the pond and landed in NYC. The one that Washington State got ahold of and stopped was from China. The one that ravaged NYC was from Europe.


Yeah, this is known.  But they all came from China originally.
 
2020-08-04 5:52:10 PM  
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2020-08-04 6:22:07 PM  

Nadie_AZ: I'm watching it right now.

"I've done things no other President has ever done."

Yes, we know.


Other Presidents weren't career criminals, although some of them came close.
 
2020-08-04 6:22:51 PM  
Republicans always lie.
 
2020-08-04 6:22:56 PM  
... Until tomorrow
 
2020-08-04 6:23:08 PM  

OldRod: That's almost 3 lies per minute.  He's probably done that for shorter stints before, but that is a stunning amount of bullshiat to be spewing for 35 minutes


I caught the chopper talk the other day, and he only said one truthful thing the entire time. And it went on for a while.

/ Chopper talk: so absurd and stupid this is a thing.
// God, I hate this timeline
/// Yes, I know it existed in a smaller form before
 
2020-08-04 6:23:55 PM  

OldRod: [Fark user image 607x620]


When you've been warned that he lies more naturally than you breathe, but didn't actually believe it was literally true.
 
2020-08-04 6:23:58 PM  

Nadie_AZ: I'm watching it right now.

"I've done things no other President has ever done."

Yes, we know.


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2020-08-04 6:25:03 PM  

Nuuu: Some of these aren't lies, exactly.  They're just incredibly dumb things to say.

LIE: Trump says the 1918 pandemic was unlike this one because it was a "flu"-and that's why COVID-19 threw everyone everywhere for a loop.

TRUTH: Trump began the pandemic trying to convince America COVID-19 was indeed just like the flu-even as experts were telling him otherwise.

That's not a lie.  COVID threw everyone everywhere for a loop.  COVID is not the flu.  The 1918 flu was a flu.  These things are true.  These facts just don't mean anything in the particular arrangement Trump has given them.  It doesn't matter if one is, strictly speaking, a flu and the other is not.  A pandemic is a pandemic.  And all pandemics will always throw everyone everywhere for a loop, because that's what pandemics are and what they do.

LIE: Trump says that of the 188 countries with COVID-19, "some are suffering proportionately far greater than we are."

TRUTH: The U.S. ranks 1st of 188 in total cases. Per capita, it ranks 7th in deaths and 8th in cases-and these rankings are rising toward "1st of 188" rankings.

Also technically true.  Some countries, i.e.6 or 7, have suffered proportionately worse than us.  That's like bragging that Trump's businesses are doing much, much better in today's economy than Jeffrey Epstein's.


Giving Trump the benefit of the doubt on a "technically correct" score is a fool's errand. It's how he weasels his way out of his statements, by always leaving a loophole.
 
2020-08-04 6:28:21 PM  
What a horseshiat list.

How is this a lie?

LIE: Trump says that of the 188 countries with COVID-19, "some are suffering proportionately far greater than we are."

TRUTH: The U.S. ranks 1st of 188 in total cases. Per capita, it ranks 7th in deaths and 8th in cases-and these rankings are rising toward "1st of 188" rankings.


Trump clearly is quoted as saying "proportionally." But the fact check says that in total it is not true and said, in fact, given that the U.S. is 7th and 8th by the cited figures, makes what Trump said 100% accurate and true!
 
2020-08-04 6:30:09 PM  
Have fun with the first 13 minutes.  I do plan to finish this up, since I'm not sure a transcript will ever be generated otherwise.  I had to stop processing what was being said and just go into dictation mode.  It's... so dumb.

Johnathan Swan [S]: Thank you very much for having us Mr. President.
Donald Trump [T]: How are you?
S: You're over here, Mr. President.  Kayleigh.
S: Mr. President, thank you for joining us.  We appreciate you taking the time, and we appreciate your commitment to answer our questions.  Really appreciate that.
T: Sure.
S: Over the years, I've heard you talk about your adherence to a philosophy called Positive Thinking.  This is the Mantra that if you want something, if you visualize it, it will happen.
T: To a certain extent.  I also think in terms of the downside, I do.  I've been given a lot of credit for Positive Thinking, but I also think about downside, because only a fool doesn't.
S: To what extent do you think that this Positive Thinking mindset is suitable to handling the worst pandemic that we've seen in a century?
T: I think you have to have a positive outlook, otherwise you would have nothing without a positve outlook.  Look, I think we've done an incredible job between the ventilators and stopping very infected people from Cina coming in, meaning putting the ban on China, which frankly nobody wanted me to do.  Practically nobody, because it was fairly early in January.  Then putting the ban on Europe.  Not an easy thing to do when you put a ban on Europe it's a big thing.  We would have probably lost hundreds of thousands of lives more had I not done that, and all of the experts, everyone of them, not one of them wanted to do it.  They thought it was too severe.  Three months later, they're all saying, "I'm glad you did it."
S: The criticism of you that - that is most prominent - is the communication, is the public health experts saying it needs to be based in reality.  And they're saying that the wishful thinking and the salesmenship is just not suitable in a time when a pandemic has killed 145,000 Americans. And it's... I understand what you're saying that people need to hear positive thinking, but you know for the past five months it's been, "The virus is totally under control," and the cases have been going up and the deaths have been going up.
T: It hasn't, look -
S: But you've been saying it's under control.
T: Nobody knew what this was all about.  Look, this has never happened before.  1917, but it was a totally different - it was a flu in that case, ok?  Other than 1917, there's never been anything like this.  And by the way, if you watch the fake news on television they don't even talk about it, but you know there are a 188 other countries that are suffering, some proportionately far greater than we are, ok?  As bas as we are, ok?
S: Very few, sir.
T: Some proportionately greater than we are.  Right now.  Right now, Spain is having a big spike, and there are tremendous problems in the world.  You look at Moscow, look at what's going on in Moscow.  Look at Brazil.  Look at these countries.  What's going on?  This was sent to us by China, one way or the other, and we're never gonna forget it.  Believe me, we're never gonna forget it.  And we were beating China at every single point.  We were beating them on trade.  We were beating - we were making progress like nobody's ever made progress.  They had, before the pandemic, they had the worst year, Jonathan, that they've had in 67 years.  You know that.  With the tarriffs and with everything else I did.  We were taking in billions of dollars - I was giving some of it to the farmers.  The farmers were doing well because I was targeting - they were targeting the farmers.  I was targeting China.  We were doing good, then all of a sudden the game changed and I had to close it down.  I had to close down the greatest economy ever in history.
S: Well I -
T: Now wait.  And then, I closed it down.  And now we're open again.  And by the way, by closing it down we saved millions of lives.  If we would have gone to herd - and we know very little about the disease - if we would have gone herd, we would have lost millions of people.  Millions of people.  One person's too much.  We're at 140,000 people.  One person is too much.  We're at 140.  We would've lost millions of people, and those people that really understand it - they really understand it - they said, "It's incredible, the job that we've done."  And again, I bring it up -
S: Who says that?
T: The ban - Banning China from coming in far earlier -
S: But it was already in here.
T: What's that?
S: It was already here.  By the time you banned China it was already here.  It had come through Europe.
T: Nobody knew the extent.  Nobody knew how contagious it was.
S: I know.  But the question is - Mr. President, by June... we knew.  Things were bad, and you know, the last time I was with you was the day before your Tulsa rally in the oval.  And, you know, you were saying "big huge crowd", it was indoors.  These people listen to you.
T: Excuse me, Jonathan.
S: Yeah?
T: We had a 19,000 seat stadium.  First of all we had 12,000 not 6000 people, which you reported and other people report.  But you couldn't even get in.  It was like an armed camp.
S: Why would you want that?
T: Because 120 Black Lives Matter people were there
S: Right, but why would you want a huge crowd?
T: Excuse me.  Wait.  And Tulsa, well because that area was a very good area at the time.  It was an area that was pretty much over.  After... after.  A month later it started going up.
S: Before.
T: A month later.  But Tulsa was very good.  Oklahoma was doing very well as a state.  It was almost free.  It spiked a month later.  Month and a half.  Two months later.  But it was a good area.  We had a tremendous crowd.  We had a tremendous response.  You - it was like an armed camp!  You couldn't even get through.  You couldn't get anybody in!
S: But I'm talking about-
T: We had 12,000 people, which was incorrectly reported.  Another thing we had that nobody wants to talk about, so Fox Broacast it.  It was the highest rating in the history of Fox Television, Saturday night.  It was the highest rating.
S: Mr. President -
T: My speech - well wait a minute, I'm just saying somehting.
S: Yeah.
T: That speech was the highest rated speech in this history of Tox Tele - Fox Television on Saturday Night and nobody says that.
S: I think you misunderstand me.  I'm not criticizing your ability to draw a crowd.  Are you kidding me?  I've covered you for five years!  You draw massive crowds.
T: I'm just saying -
S: You get huge ratings.  I'm asking about the public health.
T: I'm just saying this - and I cancelled another one!  I had to cancel it!  We were gonna have a great crowd in New Hampshire and I cancelled it for the same reason.
S: But here's the question. I've covered you for 5 years.  I've been to your rallies.  I've talked to your people.  They love you.  They listen to you.  They listen to every word you say.  They hang on your every word.  They don't listen to me, or to the media, or to Fauci.  They think we're fake news.  They want to get their advice from you, and so when they hear you say "Everything's under control.  Don't worry about wearing masks."  These are people... I mean many of these are older people, Mr. President.
T: Well that depends on your definition of control.
S: Giving them a false sense of security?
T: Yeah, under the circumstances, right now?  I think it's under control.
S: How!?
T: I'll tell you what <7:25>
S: A thousand Americans are dying a day!
T: They are dying.  That's true!  And you - It is what it is!  But that doesn't mean we aren't doing everything we can.  It's under control as much as you can control it.  This is a horrible plague that beset us.
S: You really think this is as much as we can control it?
T: Uhhhh, well.  I'll tell you what I believe.
S: A thousand deaths a day?
T: I'd like to know if somebody - First of all, we have done a great job.  We've got the governors everything they needed.  They didn't do their jo- many of them didn't do and some of them did and some day we'll sit down.  We'll talk about the successful ones, the good ones - Look at that smile - The good ones and the bad ones.  We had good and bad.  And we had a lot in the middle.  But we had some incredible governors - I could tell you right now who the great ones are and who the... not so great ones are.  But the governors do it.  We gave them massive amounts of material.
S: Mr. President, you changed your message this week, in terms of you cancelled the Jacksonville convention, you said wear a mask, you're saying that it's gonna get worse before it gets better.  That's not something you like to say, and I've known you've said that.  The question -
T: By the way, not get worse like the original flow.  You understand that.  Now if you look -
S: I'd hope not, but a thousand deaths a day.
T: Arizona, the numbers are going down.
S: Sir, if could just finish my question.
T: Texas is going down, and Florida is going down.
S: The question is, are you going to- even some of your own aides wonder whether you'll stick to that message until election day.  Whether in a week or two you won't say, "right, we gotta reopen again.  We gotta - we can't do this stuff anymore."  That you'll get bored of talking about the virus and go back to that sort of cheerleading.
T: No I never get bored.  I never get bored of talking about this.  It's too big a thing, and again, it should've been stopped by China.
S: Will you stick to that message?
T: It should've been stopped by China, and it wasn't.
S: But now it's here. And you're the president.  You're the leader.
T: We have it here.  And I think I'm very consistent.  No, this is a very serious thing.  We have 140,000 people at this moment.  This is a very, very serious situation. And what you have to do it handle it the best it can be handled.  And again, I'm working with the governors.  I've got them tremendous amounts of equipment, that they would have never gotten - Jonathan, they wouldn't have equipment now if I didn't get it.
S: When can you commit that every single American will have access to the same-day testing that you get here in the White House?
T: Well, we have great testing.  And we're doing - and many -
S: By what date?
T: Lemme explain.  The testing.  We have tested more people than any other country, than all of Europe put together times two.  We have tested more people than anybody ever thought of.  India has 1.4 billion people.  They've done 11 million tests.  We've done 55 - it'll be close to 60 - million tests, and, you know there are those who say, "you can test too much." You do know that.
S: Who says that?
T: Just read the manuals.  Read the books.
S: Manuals?  What manuals?
T: Read the books.
S: Read what books?
T: What testing does is -
S: No, sorry, who says -
T: Wait a minute, no, I'm sorry.  Lemme explain.  What testing does is it shows chases.  It shows where there may be cases.  Other countries test.  You know when they test?  They test when somebody's sick.  That's when they test.  I'm not saying they're right or wrong.  nobody's done it like we've done it.  We've gotten absolutely no credit for it.  But we've come up with so many different tests.  The only thing that we have now is that some people have to wait longer than we'd like them to.
S: It's a bit problem.
T: We want point to point.  We want to have a 5 minute to 15 minute test.
S: Right.  When do you think?
T: And like many others
S: For every American?
T: I understand we're close to 50% where it's point-to-point tests.  We are making thousands of instruments, thousands of tests, right now tens of thousands that can be distributed to various parts of the country.  But you have to understand.  And we've even sent some of them to other countries where they had a big problem.  Jonathan, almost 50% - in fact I think the number might be over - is immediate testing.  The other's tough.  You take a test.  You have to send it to a laboratory.  Let's say that takes a day
S: Right.
T: Let's say
S: It's difficult.
T: But three or five days there's nothing
S: I understand.
T: You can do about that.
S: But when do you think we'll have it for everyone.
T: I think that you will have that relatively soon.
S: What date?
T: I mean you already have half.
S: What does that mean?
T: I would much rather get back to you because I don't want you to write in one month that I didn't make it.  I missed it by one day and it's a headline.
S: Very well.  Moving on to federal intervention.
T: One more thing on testing.  Because we test so much, we show cases.  So we show many, many cases.  We show tremendous numbers of - I know you're smiling while I say this - but other -
S: Well, sir, I've heard you say this!
T: Other countries don't test like we do, so they don't show cases.
S: Just a couple points on that.  I wasn't going to continue on the testing, but you said it so.  We're testing so much because it spread so far in America.
T: We're testing so much because we had the ability to test.
S: Okay
T: Because we came up with testing
S: But South Korea
T: Jonathan.  We weren't even - we didn't even have a test.  When I took over, we didn't even have a test!  Now in all fairness, there was no test.
S: Why would you have a test!?  The virus didn't exist.  How would you have a test
T: I was going to say.
S: Okay
T: There was no test for this new - we didn't have a test because there was no test.  And in a very short order we got one test, we got another test -
S: It was broken, the first one.
T: Many of those tests are now obsolete because we've - you know it's called "science"
S: Right.
T: And all of a sudden something's better.
S: Right.
T: But because we tested so many people, 55, 60 million people very soo, we get cases. You test, some kid has even some little runny nose, it's a case.  And then you report "Many cases."  So we look like we have more cases, than massive countries like China - which by the way doesn't report, as you know.
S: Well I certainly hadn't put any stock in China's figures.
T: The point is, because we are so much better at testing than any other country in the world, we show more cases.
S: The figure I look at is death. And death is going up now.  And it's a thousand a day.
T: If you look at death... let's look.
[completely unimportant garbling as he produces the graph]
OK.  I refuse to transcribe this graph section.  Just farking watch it.  https://youtu.be/zaaTZkqsaxY?t=808
 
2020-08-04 6:32:37 PM  

Alien Robot: What a horseshiat list.

How is this a lie?

LIE: Trump says that of the 188 countries with COVID-19, "some are suffering proportionately far greater than we are."

TRUTH: The U.S. ranks 1st of 188 in total cases. Per capita, it ranks 7th in deaths and 8th in cases-and these rankings are rising toward "1st of 188" rankings.

Trump clearly is quoted as saying "proportionally." But the fact check says that in total it is not true and said, in fact, given that the U.S. is 7th and 8th by the cited figures, makes what Trump said 100% accurate and true!


Boy did that exchange make Trump look good, huh?

T: Nobody knew what this was all about.  Look, this has never happened before.  1917, but it was a totally different - it was a flu in that case, ok?  Other than 1917, there's never been anything like this.  And by the way, if you watch the fake news on television they don't even talk about it, but you know there are a 188 other countries that are suffering, some proportionately far greater than we are, ok?  As bad as we are, ok?
S: Very few, sir.
T: Some proportionately greater than we are.  Right now.  Right now, Spain is having a big spike, and there are tremendous problems in the world.  You look at Moscow, look at what's going on in Moscow.  Look at Brazil.  Look at these countries.  What's going on?  This was sent to us by China, one way or the other, and we're never gonna forget it.  Believe me, we're never gonna forget it.  And we were beating China at every single point.  We were beating them on trade.  We were beating - we were making progress like nobody's ever made progress.  They had, before the pandemic, they had the worst year, Jonathan, that they've had in 67 years.  You know that.  With the tariffs and with everything else I did.  We were taking in billions of dollars - I was giving some of it to the farmers.  The farmers were doing well because I was targeting - they were targeting the farmers.  I was targeting China.  We were doing good, then all of a sudden the game changed and I had to close it down.  I had to close down the greatest economy ever in history.

It is admittedly hard to nail down where the lies are in this word salad.
 
2020-08-04 6:32:58 PM  

anfrind: Republicans always lie.


And lickers like Nuu always defend them.
 
2020-08-04 6:33:02 PM  

Geotpf: TRUTH: The Pentagon says it has no evidence China deliberately "sent" the virus to anyone. Even as to possible accidental outbreak in a "wet market," there is evidence the virus was elsewhere in the world before China.

Um, there is? Since when? First I've heard of this farking theory.


Yep. This seems like an extreme overreaction to Trump's "Kung Flu" stupidity, that goes to the other end of the spectrum by appearing intent on whitewashing China's responsibility altogether.
 
2020-08-04 6:33:11 PM  
The really entertaining thing is watching all his toadies scramble over themselves to tell us what he REALLY meant was...
 
2020-08-04 6:35:19 PM  
Oh, and my transcript is as neutral as possible.  If there's nonsense [cross-talk], I might has skipped some of it, but otherwise, every um, uh, yeah, right, stutter and word is in there, as I heard it.  If you haven't watched it yet, you might think I've embellished one or the other side.  I assure you I have not.
 
2020-08-04 6:46:05 PM  

Nadie_AZ: I'm watching it right now.

"I've done things no other President has ever done."

Yes, we know.


Wait til you get to "I've done more for black people than anyone else in history, except maybe Abraham Lincoln".

Yeah, he really said that.
 
2020-08-04 6:53:16 PM  
The number is so low because he kept being interrupted by a very very rude Austrian that should go back to where he came from. Doesn't he have schnapps to make and Nazis to protect?
 
2020-08-04 6:55:21 PM  

BeesNuts: Oh, and my transcript is as neutral as possible.  If there's nonsense [cross-talk], I might has skipped some of it, but otherwise, every um, uh, yeah, right, stutter and word is in there, as I heard it.  If you haven't watched it yet, you might think I've embellished one or the other side.  I assure you I have not.


Thank you for your service.

We'll send chocolate and flowers to your sanitarium.
 
2020-08-04 6:55:27 PM  

BeesNuts: We had a 19,000 seat stadium.  First of all we had 12,000 not 6000 people, which you reported and other people report.  But you couldn't even get in.  It was like an armed camp.


So the arena that only holds 19,000 people... and was nowhere near half full...

And the fire marshall counted just over 6000 people (and that's his job so I'm guessing he got it right)...

But everyone is lying?

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2020-08-04 6:56:34 PM  
and just now he's declared the explosion at the port in Beirut as an attack.... his generals told him so, he claims.
 
2020-08-04 6:56:38 PM  

Nuuu: Some of these aren't lies, exactly.  They're just incredibly dumb things to say.

LIE: Trump says the 1918 pandemic was unlike this one because it was a "flu"-and that's why COVID-19 threw everyone everywhere for a loop.

TRUTH: Trump began the pandemic trying to convince America COVID-19 was indeed just like the flu-even as experts were telling him otherwise.

That's not a lie.  COVID threw everyone everywhere for a loop.  COVID is not the flu.  The 1918 flu was a flu.  These things are true.  These facts just don't mean anything in the particular arrangement Trump has given them.  It doesn't matter if one is, strictly speaking, a flu and the other is not.  A pandemic is a pandemic.  And all pandemics will always throw everyone everywhere for a loop, because that's what pandemics are and what they do.

LIE: Trump says that of the 188 countries with COVID-19, "some are suffering proportionately far greater than we are."

TRUTH: The U.S. ranks 1st of 188 in total cases. Per capita, it ranks 7th in deaths and 8th in cases-and these rankings are rising toward "1st of 188" rankings.

Also technically true.  Some countries, i.e.6 or 7, have suffered proportionately worse than us.  That's like bragging that Trump's businesses are doing much, much better in today's economy than Jeffrey Epstein's.


This is the guy that bragged his trump tower was the tallest building in nyc after the twin towers were destroyed. he'd brag about anything
 
2020-08-04 6:56:39 PM  

BeesNuts: Boy did that exchange make Trump look good, huh?


I just finished watching it, and honestly, I don't see it moving the needle with people who are still his followers in 2020. They'll just see strong, assertive Donnie Two-Scoops steamrolling the smug, stuttering little limey girly-man. To them, leadership is just being the most unyielding, unapologetic blowhard in the room.
 
2020-08-04 6:57:17 PM  
Also, he was fat, stupid and ugly for the entire time.
 
2020-08-04 6:59:15 PM  
In Hell, Trump will be a chicken coop. Every lie he has ever told will come back to him in the form of a chicken. Maybe the occassional raccoon or weasel. I can not rule out bedbugs or rats.
 
2020-08-04 7:05:48 PM  

Nadie_AZ: I'm watching it right now.

"I've done things no other President has ever done."

Yes, we know.


Well, exposing the fact that most of our government runs on gentlemen's agreements and an assumption that when an elected official is performing illegal and impeachable acts other legislators will step up and actually do their Duty then he is right.

As far as accomplishing anything? I guess you could say he has successfully demolished the idea that we are actually leaders in the world and that anyone should take us at our word, that is an accomplishment I guess.

The grift must flow, this will be on the Trump coat of arms until the end of time.
 
2020-08-04 7:10:10 PM  

Nuuu: Some of these aren't lies, exactly.  They're just incredibly dumb things to say.

LIE: Trump says the 1918 pandemic was unlike this one because it was a "flu"-and that's why COVID-19 threw everyone everywhere for a loop.

TRUTH: Trump began the pandemic trying to convince America COVID-19 was indeed just like the flu-even as experts were telling him otherwise.

That's not a lie.  COVID threw everyone everywhere for a loop.  COVID is not the flu.  The 1918 flu was a flu.  These things are true.  These facts just don't mean anything in the particular arrangement Trump has given them.  It doesn't matter if one is, strictly speaking, a flu and the other is not.  A pandemic is a pandemic.  And all pandemics will always throw everyone everywhere for a loop, because that's what pandemics are and what they do.

LIE: Trump says that of the 188 countries with COVID-19, "some are suffering proportionately far greater than we are."

TRUTH: The U.S. ranks 1st of 188 in total cases. Per capita, it ranks 7th in deaths and 8th in cases-and these rankings are rising toward "1st of 188" rankings.

Also technically true.  Some countries, i.e.6 or 7, have suffered proportionately worse than us.  That's like bragging that Trump's businesses are doing much, much better in today's economy than Jeffrey Epstein's.


k thanks
 
2020-08-04 7:14:01 PM  
I was laughing at the clip of Trump holding all these papers showing graphs and charts. Those papers look like some random copier printout Trump spotted, and decided he would look smart if he were holding these colorful sheets of paper. It's like a kid, trying to prove he didn't break something, by shoving his coloring book in your face.
 
2020-08-04 7:17:14 PM  
Don't even have to post the rest of the comic strip any more.
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2020-08-04 7:21:38 PM  
Well now that it's been proven its only 98 lies, I think we all owe Trump an apology or dirt on Hunter Biden
 
2020-08-04 7:22:00 PM  

Alien Robot: What a horseshiat list.

How is this a lie?

LIE: Trump says that of the 188 countries with COVID-19, "some are suffering proportionately far greater than we are."

TRUTH: The U.S. ranks 1st of 188 in total cases. Per capita, it ranks 7th in deaths and 8th in cases-and these rankings are rising toward "1st of 188" rankings.

Trump clearly is quoted as saying "proportionally." But the fact check says that in total it is not true and said, in fact, given that the U.S. is 7th and 8th by the cited figures, makes what Trump said 100% accurate and true!


Username checks out.

...or is this a Poe's Law thing, and I'm not getting it?
 
2020-08-04 7:24:24 PM  

Sarek of the Edmund Fitzgerald: Alien Robot: What a horseshiat list.

How is this a lie?

LIE: Trump says that of the 188 countries with COVID-19, "some are suffering proportionately far greater than we are."

TRUTH: The U.S. ranks 1st of 188 in total cases. Per capita, it ranks 7th in deaths and 8th in cases-and these rankings are rising toward "1st of 188" rankings.

Trump clearly is quoted as saying "proportionally." But the fact check says that in total it is not true and said, in fact, given that the U.S. is 7th and 8th by the cited figures, makes what Trump said 100% accurate and true!

Username checks out.

...or is this a Poe's Law thing, and I'm not getting it?


Nah, its dumb as a basket of sand.
 
2020-08-04 7:25:18 PM  

Nadie_AZ: I'm watching it right now.

"I've done things no other President has ever done."

Yes, we know.


Right? That struck me as the only true statement in the bunch.
 
2020-08-04 7:27:28 PM  

Geotpf: I hate when I end up fact checking the fact checker.

LIE: Trump says China "sent" the virus "one way or another."

TRUTH: The Pentagon says it has no evidence China deliberately "sent" the virus to anyone. Even as to possible accidental outbreak in a "wet market," there is evidence the virus was elsewhere in the world before China.

Um, there is?  Since when?  First I've heard of this farking theory.


IIRC Germany traced a case back to October, but I'm pretty sure that person came from china.
 
2020-08-04 7:44:43 PM  

Geotpf: I hate when I end up fact checking the fact checker.

LIE: Trump says China "sent" the virus "one way or another."

TRUTH: The Pentagon says it has no evidence China deliberately "sent" the virus to anyone. Even as to possible accidental outbreak in a "wet market," there is evidence the virus was elsewhere in the world before China.

Um, there is?  Since when?  First I've heard of this farking theory.


I think they just don't know yet where it originated and maybe they never will.
Could be Kansas. There's strong evidence that's where the Spanish flu of 1918 started.
 
2020-08-04 7:58:46 PM  

BigNumber12: BeesNuts: Boy did that exchange make Trump look good, huh?

I just finished watching it, and honestly, I don't see it moving the needle with people who are still his followers in 2020. They'll just see strong, assertive Donnie Two-Scoops steamrolling the smug, stuttering little limey girly-man. To them, leadership is just being the most unyielding, unapologetic blowhard in the room.


As I've said before, there are maybe 30% of the people who will vote Trump?GOP no matter what. He could come to their home, shoot their dog, piss over their sofa and steal their TV and they'd still vote for him.
Forget them, you're not going to change their minds.

But there are millions of people who can be persuaded, who will listen to facts. They're the ones to focus on. As TFA said Trump won by 70,000 votes, across the whole of the USA, only 70,000 votes in a few key areas, enough to tip the EC.
It will only take a small swing among those millions of voters who can be reached to give Biden a solid EC win.
 
2020-08-04 8:00:23 PM  
That should be Trump/GOP no matter what... Don't know why I hit the Shift key.
 
2020-08-04 8:05:29 PM  

zimmerit: I think they just don't know yet where it originated and maybe they never will.
Could be Kansas. There's strong evidence that's where the Spanish flu of 1918 started.


This - these viruses have been around in one form or another since long before any place named "China" existed.
Trying to ascribe some tenuous geographical "origin" to a disease so you can somehow blame it's existence on the people who live there is just low, tribal thinking.
By that standard, European People would have to be the worst and filthiest murderers on the planet.
 
2020-08-04 8:06:42 PM  

skinink: I was laughing at the clip of Trump holding all these papers showing graphs and charts. Those papers look like some random copier printout Trump spotted, and decided he would look smart if he were holding these colorful sheets of paper. It's like a kid, trying to prove he didn't break something, by shoving his coloring book in your face.


He was so proud of that bar graph chart and it was hilarious.
 
2020-08-04 8:56:43 PM  

phaedra: skinink: I was laughing at the clip of Trump holding all these papers showing graphs and charts. Those papers look like some random copier printout Trump spotted, and decided he would look smart if he were holding these colorful sheets of paper. It's like a kid, trying to prove he didn't break something, by shoving his coloring book in your face.

He was so proud of that bar graph chart and it was hilarious.


the graph thing was probably one of the most embarrassing things he's done and i know there are thousands of them but this one,farking yikes.  He looked and sounded like an old doddering fool,like imagine all the other world leaders watching and shaming their heads.   Trump voters have really done so much damage to this country including leaving us so vulnerable to an attack.
 
2020-08-04 9:21:31 PM  

JudgeSmails: phaedra: skinink: I was laughing at the clip of Trump holding all these papers showing graphs and charts. Those papers look like some random copier printout Trump spotted, and decided he would look smart if he were holding these colorful sheets of paper. It's like a kid, trying to prove he didn't break something, by shoving his coloring book in your face.

He was so proud of that bar graph chart and it was hilarious.

the graph thing was probably one of the most embarrassing things he's done and i know there are thousands of them but this one,farking yikes.  He looked and sounded like an old doddering fool,like imagine all the other world leaders watching and shaming their heads.   Trump voters have really done so much damage to this country including leaving us so vulnerable to an attack.


That bar graph? I thought it was the printer test page they'd accidentally left in with his notes?

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