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2020-08-04 2:58:43 PM  
TFA:
post-Spice Girls but pre-fourth-wave feminism.

Xers understood that their tropes, music, cultural bits and pieces would not be as indelible as the boomers, nor later as the millennials; there's not that farking many of us and we often preferred mix tapes. Amazing 80s music is still so pervasive (Father Figure just came on the box).

I'm really, really trying to understand this article cause I think when you scratch away at the socio-psychobabble there might be a nugget take away. Or not. If I had a dental pick I'd be an archaeologist.

Xers, especially the early Atari 2600 models have had an insane learning curve struggle to undo all the racism, bigotry, sexism and homophobia the boomers so generously stuffed our backpacks before tying the house key around our necks for our walk or bike ride (remember when kids somehow had to arrange their own transit or face the bus?). Fortunately a lot of our cultural icons came out loudly and proudly, and a new, ironic kind of feminism evolved out of the 80s. The kind that didn't have children for the most part because they couldn't stomach seeing their parents squirt out a second batch fifteen years later.

And looking at how Americans vote by age group, it's clear a lot of us lost that struggle to adapt and adopt. Xers should be better.

But this coyote ugly thing? I mean most who understood the phenomenon dismissed it as an expensive strip club where no one actually got naked. I managed to sit through the trailer of the movie...

Idk. Grasping at straws here.

Wtf is fourth wave feminism? Will it be on the test.

Like, whatever.
 
2020-08-04 3:17:10 PM  
I thought it had two messages.

Follow your dreams.

And follow your dreams in low-rise jeans.
 
2020-08-04 3:22:53 PM  
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2020-08-04 3:25:45 PM  

cooldaddygroove: pffft
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Looks like they already took a few strokes at that.
 
2020-08-04 4:12:23 PM  

yohohogreengiant: TFA:
post-Spice Girls but pre-fourth-wave feminism.


Wtf is fourth wave feminism? Will it be on the test.

Like, whatever.


It's like third-wave Ska: it's more palatable to frat-boys and other meat-heads.
 
2020-08-04 4:22:29 PM  

slobberbone: I thought it had two messages.

Follow your dreams.

And follow your dreams in low-rise jeans.


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2020-08-04 4:26:51 PM  
Some Farked sure hate-reads The Ringer a lot.

/never saw the movie
//spent 5 minutes at the bar in Nashville once
///maybe closer to 3 minutes
 
2020-08-04 4:30:20 PM  
I had a good time in a Coyote Ugly bar in New Orleans in 2005. That is all.
 
2020-08-04 4:34:13 PM  

Combustion: yohohogreengiant: TFA:
post-Spice Girls but pre-fourth-wave feminism.


Wtf is fourth wave feminism? Will it be on the test.

Like, whatever.

It's like third-wave Ska: it's more palatable to frat-boys and other meat-heads.


Is Sublime still considered second wave SKA?

What about Madness?

Asking for a friend.
 
2020-08-04 4:37:19 PM  

yohohogreengiant: TFA:
post-Spice Girls but pre-fourth-wave feminism.

Xers understood that their tropes, music, cultural bits and pieces would not be as indelible as the boomers, nor later as the millennials; there's not that farking many of us and we often preferred mix tapes. Amazing 80s music is still so pervasive (Father Figure just came on the box).

I'm really, really trying to understand this article cause I think when you scratch away at the socio-psychobabble there might be a nugget take away. Or not. If I had a dental pick I'd be an archaeologist.

Xers, especially the early Atari 2600 models have had an insane learning curve struggle to undo all the racism, bigotry, sexism and homophobia the boomers so generously stuffed our backpacks before tying the house key around our necks for our walk or bike ride (remember when kids somehow had to arrange their own transit or face the bus?). Fortunately a lot of our cultural icons came out loudly and proudly, and a new, ironic kind of feminism evolved out of the 80s. The kind that didn't have children for the most part because they couldn't stomach seeing their parents squirt out a second batch fifteen years later.

And looking at how Americans vote by age group, it's clear a lot of us lost that struggle to adapt and adopt. Xers should be better.

But this coyote ugly thing? I mean most who understood the phenomenon dismissed it as an expensive strip club where no one actually got naked. I managed to sit through the trailer of the movie...

Idk. Grasping at straws here.

Wtf is fourth wave feminism? Will it be on the test.

Like, whatever.


I saw Coyote Ugly as part of a night of screening previews.  We knew the theater manager and he invited us to come watch the reel test after they closed.  He also let us watch other movies beforehand.

That night we watched:

half of The Patriot
Rocky & Bullwinkle
Pokemon 2000
Hollow Man
Coyote Ugly

Of those five, the best was Pokemon 2000.
 
2020-08-04 4:39:02 PM  

Naido: Some Farked sure hate-reads The Ringer a lot.


Yep, we're getting one of these each week it seems.
 
2020-08-04 4:40:02 PM  

yohohogreengiant: Combustion: yohohogreengiant: TFA:
post-Spice Girls but pre-fourth-wave feminism.


Wtf is fourth wave feminism? Will it be on the test.

Like, whatever.

It's like third-wave Ska: it's more palatable to frat-boys and other meat-heads.

Is Sublime still considered second wave SKA?

What about Madness?

Asking for a friend.


Madness is second wave and Sublime is 3rd wave per the book types, I believe.

First wave is the original Jamaican scene
Second is the late 70's punk fusion
Third is late eighties early ninetees
 
2020-08-04 4:41:21 PM  

UNC_Samurai: yohohogreengiant: TFA:
post-Spice Girls but pre-fourth-wave feminism.

Xers understood that their tropes, music, cultural bits and pieces would not be as indelible as the boomers, nor later as the millennials; there's not that farking many of us and we often preferred mix tapes. Amazing 80s music is still so pervasive (Father Figure just came on the box).

I'm really, really trying to understand this article cause I think when you scratch away at the socio-psychobabble there might be a nugget take away. Or not. If I had a dental pick I'd be an archaeologist.

Xers, especially the early Atari 2600 models have had an insane learning curve struggle to undo all the racism, bigotry, sexism and homophobia the boomers so generously stuffed our backpacks before tying the house key around our necks for our walk or bike ride (remember when kids somehow had to arrange their own transit or face the bus?). Fortunately a lot of our cultural icons came out loudly and proudly, and a new, ironic kind of feminism evolved out of the 80s. The kind that didn't have children for the most part because they couldn't stomach seeing their parents squirt out a second batch fifteen years later.

And looking at how Americans vote by age group, it's clear a lot of us lost that struggle to adapt and adopt. Xers should be better.

But this coyote ugly thing? I mean most who understood the phenomenon dismissed it as an expensive strip club where no one actually got naked. I managed to sit through the trailer of the movie...

Idk. Grasping at straws here.

Wtf is fourth wave feminism? Will it be on the test.

Like, whatever.

I saw Coyote Ugly as part of a night of screening previews.  We knew the theater manager and he invited us to come watch the reel test after they closed.  He also let us watch other movies beforehand.

That night we watched:

half of The Patriot
Rocky & Bullwinkle
Pokemon 2000
Hollow Man
Coyote Ugly

Of those five, the best was Pokemon 2000.


Now there's a ringing endorsement
 
2020-08-04 4:42:23 PM  

yohohogreengiant: Wtf is fourth wave feminism?


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2020-08-04 4:42:29 PM  
The only people I know who like that movie are all women.
 
2020-08-04 4:43:22 PM  
I walked into a CU in San Antonio (I think) and was mostly just annoyed. Too loud and bartenders that couldn't care less...about their manners or appearance.
It's like a less-guilt strip club, I guess.
 
2020-08-04 4:45:53 PM  

LewDux: yohohogreengiant: Wtf is fourth wave feminism?

[Fark user image image 577x433]


Nice. Now tell me you didn't just macro that but was saving it for this special occasion.
 
2020-08-04 4:52:49 PM  

Combustion: yohohogreengiant: TFA:
post-Spice Girls but pre-fourth-wave feminism.


Wtf is fourth wave feminism? Will it be on the test.

Like, whatever.

It's like third-wave Ska: it's more palatable to frat-boys and other meat-heads.


That hurts, brah.
(Goldfinger plays)
 
2020-08-04 4:55:49 PM  

UNC_Samurai: yohohogreengiant: TFA:
post-Spice Girls but pre-fourth-wave feminism.

Xers understood that their tropes, music, cultural bits and pieces would not be as indelible as the boomers, nor later as the millennials; there's not that farking many of us and we often preferred mix tapes. Amazing 80s music is still so pervasive (Father Figure just came on the box).

I'm really, really trying to understand this article cause I think when you scratch away at the socio-psychobabble there might be a nugget take away. Or not. If I had a dental pick I'd be an archaeologist.

Xers, especially the early Atari 2600 models have had an insane learning curve struggle to undo all the racism, bigotry, sexism and homophobia the boomers so generously stuffed our backpacks before tying the house key around our necks for our walk or bike ride (remember when kids somehow had to arrange their own transit or face the bus?). Fortunately a lot of our cultural icons came out loudly and proudly, and a new, ironic kind of feminism evolved out of the 80s. The kind that didn't have children for the most part because they couldn't stomach seeing their parents squirt out a second batch fifteen years later.

And looking at how Americans vote by age group, it's clear a lot of us lost that struggle to adapt and adopt. Xers should be better.

But this coyote ugly thing? I mean most who understood the phenomenon dismissed it as an expensive strip club where no one actually got naked. I managed to sit through the trailer of the movie...

Idk. Grasping at straws here.

Wtf is fourth wave feminism? Will it be on the test.

Like, whatever.

I saw Coyote Ugly as part of a night of screening previews.  We knew the theater manager and he invited us to come watch the reel test after they closed.  He also let us watch other movies beforehand.

That night we watched:

half of The Patriot
Rocky & Bullwinkle
Pokemon 2000
Hollow Man
Coyote Ugly

Of those five, the best was Pokemon 2000.


What did you do to make that theater manager hate you so?
 
2020-08-04 4:58:39 PM  
I went to a Coyote Ugly in Vegas but it all seemed very "choreographed"
Meaning it seemed like a show, I never got the feel the girls dancing on the bar were doing it because they "felt the urge" to dance.

It felt like a greasier version if "Johnny Rockets" (which, if you've never been, is a "50s style diner" where the servers periodically sing and dance to Elvis and whatnot)
 
2020-08-04 4:59:41 PM  
That was a movie?  I thought it was some late night, alcohol induced fever dream I had.
 
2020-08-04 5:01:59 PM  
All I remember about this film is watching the previews, with this exchange:

"So why do you call this place 'Coyote Ugly'?"
"Because 'Cheers' was already taken!"

This was apparently supposed to be a funny line. Glad I passed on seeing this.
 
2020-08-04 5:03:46 PM  

yohohogreengiant: LewDux: yohohogreengiant: Wtf is fourth wave feminism?

[Fark user image image 577x433]

Nice. Now tell me you didn't just macro that but was saving it for this special occasion.


Fatal Instinct - Just came to me
Youtube Gdn93LxTj7w
 
2020-08-04 5:05:53 PM  
I think I actually have this movie at home as I bought a lot of cheap DVDs when Blockbuster was going out of business. My luck it's between Surfer Dude and Drillbit Taylor.

/saw the movie once on cable
//once was one more than I should have
 
2020-08-04 5:16:09 PM  

Flappyhead: That was a movie?  I thought it was some late night, alcohol induced fever dream I had.


Sadly not mutually exclusive conditions.
 
2020-08-04 5:16:18 PM  

Enomai: Madness is second wave and Sublime is 3rd wave per the book types, I believe.

First wave is the original Jamaican scene
Second is the late 70's punk fusion
Third is late eighties early ninetees



*nods skankily*
 
2020-08-04 5:17:45 PM  

halethomp: The only people I know who like that movie are all women.


Have you checked though? This being pre fourth wave feminism, only parts might be women from a prescriptive doctrine.
 
2020-08-04 5:22:28 PM  
There's a bunch of women that were asserting themselves at this club. It's that whole complicated thing where yes, the men wanted to see them jiggle their bodies, but they were in control of their bodies. At the time it was wild and unusual. And now clubs like that are all over, you know, and it's nothing new.


So, they invented the strip club ?
 
2020-08-04 5:23:02 PM  

halethomp: The only people I know who like that movie are all women.


Straight women?
 
2020-08-04 5:48:00 PM  
PG-13? Well, there's your problem right there. They advertised it like it was going to be raunchy, and it's pretty tame.
 
2020-08-04 5:48:14 PM  
I guess tail-end Gen X. I think of Coyote Ugly more as an early Millenial thing.
 
2020-08-04 8:06:11 PM  
I saw it when it came out, because I saw everything that came out when I worked at a cinema and tickets were free.

The story was unoriginal, and I didn't care for the music, but some of the ladies were pretty, and John Goodman is always fantastic.
 
2020-08-04 8:15:50 PM  
Watching the movie as an adult, it's a problematic mess of an artifact, but it's still raucous and fun enough to remain a cult hit. In fact, it's become the ultimate Noughties period film; an ode to prerecession capitalist values, raunch, and low-rise trousers.

This is another one of those flailing "Stop telling me you didn't see it or don't remember it, it's one of my favorite films and it's got millions of underground fans you don't even know about and IT IS IMPORTANT!" rants where someone tries to convince the world their niche tastes are mainstream even if the mainstream totally disagrees, isn't it?

Nobody cares about that movie, guy. They didn't care when it came out, they didn't care when it hit video, and they sure as hell don't care now. I doubt that one even still swims in the $3 DVD bin at Walmart.
 
2020-08-04 8:25:10 PM  
Somehow I'm not shocked that this originated with that hack Liz Gilbert. It's not "a" dive bar, it's "the" dive bar. I can feel the narcissism from here. What a twunt that woman is.
 
2020-08-04 8:50:53 PM  

buntz: I went to a Coyote Ugly in Vegas but it all seemed very "choreographed"
Meaning it seemed like a show, I never got the feel the girls dancing on the bar were doing it because they "felt the urge" to dance.

It felt like a greasier version if "Johnny Rockets" (which, if you've never been, is a "50s style diner" where the servers periodically sing and dance to Elvis and whatnot)


I have a vague recollection of being in there, the last time I was in Vegas. I'm sure your description is accurate.
 
2020-08-04 8:52:36 PM  

buntz: I went to a Coyote Ugly in Vegas but it all seemed very "choreographed"
Meaning it seemed like a show, I never got the feel the girls dancing on the bar were doing it because they "felt the urge" to dance.

It felt like a greasier version if "Johnny Rockets" (which, if you've never been, is a "50s style diner" where the servers periodically sing and dance to Elvis and whatnot)


Or like a Cold Stone Creamery and me with a pile of singles.

Except for the aforementioned low-rise jeans and belly shirts and contempt.

Wait, yeah the one that served alcohol, that's it.
 
2020-08-04 8:54:35 PM  

Christian Bale: There's a bunch of women that were asserting themselves at this club. It's that whole complicated thing where yes, the men wanted to see them jiggle their bodies, but they were in control of their bodies. At the time it was wild and unusual. And now clubs like that are all over, you know, and it's nothing new.


So, they invented the strip club ?


No, think more Twin Peaks or Twisted Kilt or whatever that one with bowling and fishnet stockings was called.
 
2020-08-04 9:05:34 PM  
Until this thread I had completely forgotten that there was a chain of Coyote Ugly bars. Saw the movie at a free preview with some friends who used to make counterfeit free preview passes around that time. It was an entirely disposable film at the time. It had nothing for everyone.
 
2020-08-04 9:20:33 PM  

UNC_Samurai: yohohogreengiant: TFA:
post-Spice Girls but pre-fourth-wave feminism.

Xers understood that their tropes, music, cultural bits and pieces would not be as indelible as the boomers, nor later as the millennials; there's not that farking many of us and we often preferred mix tapes. Amazing 80s music is still so pervasive (Father Figure just came on the box).

I'm really, really trying to understand this article cause I think when you scratch away at the socio-psychobabble there might be a nugget take away. Or not. If I had a dental pick I'd be an archaeologist.

Xers, especially the early Atari 2600 models have had an insane learning curve struggle to undo all the racism, bigotry, sexism and homophobia the boomers so generously stuffed our backpacks before tying the house key around our necks for our walk or bike ride (remember when kids somehow had to arrange their own transit or face the bus?). Fortunately a lot of our cultural icons came out loudly and proudly, and a new, ironic kind of feminism evolved out of the 80s. The kind that didn't have children for the most part because they couldn't stomach seeing their parents squirt out a second batch fifteen years later.

And looking at how Americans vote by age group, it's clear a lot of us lost that struggle to adapt and adopt. Xers should be better.

But this coyote ugly thing? I mean most who understood the phenomenon dismissed it as an expensive strip club where no one actually got naked. I managed to sit through the trailer of the movie...

Idk. Grasping at straws here.

Wtf is fourth wave feminism? Will it be on the test.

Like, whatever.

I saw Coyote Ugly as part of a night of screening previews.  We knew the theater manager and he invited us to come watch the reel test after they closed.  He also let us watch other movies beforehand.

That night we watched:

half of The Patriot
Rocky & Bullwinkle
Pokemon 2000
Hollow Man
Coyote Ugly

Of those five, the best was Pokemon 2000.


You aren't joking.
 
2020-08-04 9:31:27 PM  
I went on a date as a young teen to this at the dollar movies. It's about as disposable as it gets. It's not good, it's not bad...... well it kinda sucks, it's not campy, it's not fun,it's not anything. It's just lame
 
kab
2020-08-04 9:40:43 PM  
Noughties

/closes browser
 
2020-08-04 9:48:47 PM  
Saw this movie on VHS as a tween or maybe even a young teen. What I remember that's relevant enough to share:

-The explanation of the title of the film/name of the bar being the most raunchy part of it by far.

-Her demo tape gets turned away because the receptionist at the record company is having personal problems. Later on, she buys a Mac in a really shameless entire farking montage of product placement and records, edits, and burns her demo to CD. They now take her CD, presumably because it's a CD and not a tape, seeing as it's not outwardly different in any other way. THANKS, APPLE!

-Being torn between by my then-prudishness and my puberty on this movie, but there's so little actual sexiness in it that I think my prudishness won out this time. I think I had an internal debate about how trashy it really was, with the explanation of the title being the biggest argument for saying it was trashy.

-I think I remember my sister liking it and trying to argue that the sexy girls dancing should be enough to justify it for me, and me explaining that it's not. Or maybe I'm confusing it with the surfing movie Blue Crush, where we definitely had a similar conversation.
 
2020-08-04 9:49:40 PM  

Enomai: yohohogreengiant: Combustion: yohohogreengiant: TFA:
post-Spice Girls but pre-fourth-wave feminism.


Wtf is fourth wave feminism? Will it be on the test.

Like, whatever.

It's like third-wave Ska: it's more palatable to frat-boys and other meat-heads.

Is Sublime still considered second wave SKA?

What about Madness?

Asking for a friend.

Madness is second wave and Sublime is 3rd wave per the book types, I believe.

First wave is the original Jamaican scene
Second is the late 70's punk fusion
Third is late eighties early ninetees


Wait, I thought Bart was the original rude boy.
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2020-08-04 10:38:31 PM  
Had a friend that worked in a theater so we got free movies all we wanted. For some reason we watched this. Glad it was free. I don't remember much of it. Boobs. Butts. Dancing on a bar. I think John Goodman?
 
2020-08-04 10:47:21 PM  

Fireproof: Saw this movie on VHS as a tween or maybe even a young teen. What I remember that's relevant enough to share:

-The explanation of the title of the film/name of the bar being the most raunchy part of it by far.

-Her demo tape gets turned away because the receptionist at the record company is having personal problems. Later on, she buys a Mac in a really shameless entire farking montage of product placement and records, edits, and burns her demo to CD. They now take her CD, presumably because it's a CD and not a tape, seeing as it's not outwardly different in any other way. THANKS, APPLE!

-Being torn between by my then-prudishness and my puberty on this movie, but there's so little actual sexiness in it that I think my prudishness won out this time. I think I had an internal debate about how trashy it really was, with the explanation of the title being the biggest argument for saying it was trashy.

-I think I remember my sister liking it and trying to argue that the sexy girls dancing should be enough to justify it for me, and me explaining that it's not. Or maybe I'm confusing it with the surfing movie Blue Crush, where we definitely had a similar conversation.

Blue Crush 2

is not considered a sequel to Blue Crush.

This means it is possible for Kate Bosworth to star in Blue Crush 2, the sequel to Blue Crush.
 
2020-08-04 10:56:53 PM  

NathanAllen: Christian Bale: There's a bunch of women that were asserting themselves at this club. It's that whole complicated thing where yes, the men wanted to see them jiggle their bodies, but they were in control of their bodies. At the time it was wild and unusual. And now clubs like that are all over, you know, and it's nothing new.


So, they invented the strip club ?

No, think more Twin Peaks or Twisted Kilt or whatever that one with bowling and fishnet stockings was called.


But didn't Hooters pre-date those by a decade or so?
 
2020-08-04 11:25:02 PM  
Sorry, what does the snarky, cooler-than-thou headline line have to do with the article?   Are u mad subs?  At what?
 
2020-08-04 11:28:58 PM  
All I'm taking away from the article is that I want to be a script doctor...

"I got paid $100K for one stupid farking joke. Being a script doctor is crazy money."
 
2020-08-05 12:05:54 AM  

Christian Bale: NathanAllen: Christian Bale: There's a bunch of women that were asserting themselves at this club. It's that whole complicated thing where yes, the men wanted to see them jiggle their bodies, but they were in control of their bodies. At the time it was wild and unusual. And now clubs like that are all over, you know, and it's nothing new.


So, they invented the strip club ?

No, think more Twin Peaks or Twisted Kilt or whatever that one with bowling and fishnet stockings was called.

But didn't Hooters pre-date those by a decade or so?


Yeah Hooters has been around since the early 80s.  I think those other 2 started in the early aughts.

/ive only been to Twin Peaks once and I thought it kinda sucked.  Maybe it was because we went on a week night.
//Tilted Kilt is OK
///None of these things are like clubs.  They are sports bars.
 
2020-08-05 12:33:45 AM  
Showgirls get a pass for nc 17?
 
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