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2020-08-04 2:19:01 PM  
Who is your daddy, and what does he do?
 
2020-08-04 2:38:52 PM  
While I think the comparison is ridiculous, the movie is rated PG-13, so it's not really a "family film". When it was originally released there was even talk about how the child actors in the movie weren't old enough to see it in theaters.
 
2020-08-04 2:43:15 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: While I think the comparison is ridiculous, the movie is rated PG-13, so it's not really a "family film". When it was originally released there was even talk about how the child actors in the movie weren't old enough to see it in theaters.


Whatever.  I have a penis.
 
2020-08-04 2:44:37 PM  
Does she know that you aren't supposed to use the term "Latinx" anymore?

/We aren't are we?  Are we?
 
2020-08-04 2:48:52 PM  
There are certainly movies out there that qualify as full-throated "copaganda" (a stupid word if ever there was one) that should absolutely not be shown for public screenings like this one. However, Kindergarten Cop is not one of those. Primarily for the reasons that the article actually points out, including this one:

It should be noted that Schwarzenegger's character in Kindergarten Cop, John Kimble, is not a school resource officer. Rather, he's a detective working undercover to catch a drug kingpin whose ex-wife and son live in Astoria.

And this one:

Although, to be fair, the movie ends (spoiler alert) with Kimble giving up his badge and becoming an educator instead.

I think the main problem here is that some people just need you to know they're intelligent enough to find offense in places you can't even dream of finding it.
 
2020-08-04 2:55:35 PM  
Dumbest thing I've read today.
 
2020-08-04 3:10:46 PM  

Pocket Ninja: There are certainly movies out there that qualify as full-throated "copaganda" (a stupid word if ever there was one) that should absolutely not be shown for public screenings like this one. However, Kindergarten Cop is not one of those. Primarily for the reasons that the article actually points out, including this one:

It should be noted that Schwarzenegger's character in Kindergarten Cop, John Kimble, is not a school resource officer. Rather, he's a detective working undercover to catch a drug kingpin whose ex-wife and son live in Astoria.

And this one:

Although, to be fair, the movie ends (spoiler alert) with Kimble giving up his badge and becoming an educator instead.

I think the main problem here is that some people just need you to know they're intelligent enough to find offense in places you can't even dream of finding it.


Kinda reminds me of the people who were suddenly angry about Tropic Thunder last year because of RDJ's character while taking the entire point of his character out of context
 
2020-08-04 3:56:32 PM  

lurkey: Dumbest thing I've read today.


It may have given you a tumor.
 
2020-08-04 3:57:30 PM  
Wat?
 
2020-08-04 3:59:02 PM  
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Look at that farking kid, pushing his bigoted binary views on the other kids. Ban this movie!
 
2020-08-04 3:59:26 PM  
It has a p word and the v word! We need to protect the youth from these biologically correct nouns!
 
2020-08-04 3:59:51 PM  
If you want to celebrate the rich history of Oregon film production look no further than Animal House.
 
2020-08-04 4:01:45 PM  
"National reckoning on overpolicing is a weird time to revive Kindergarten Cop. IRL, we are trying to end the school-to-prison pipeline," she tweeted. "There's nothing entertaining about the presence of police in schools, which feeds the 'school-to-prison' pipeline in which African American, Latinx and other kids of color are criminalized rather than educated. Five- and 6-year-olds are handcuffed and hauled off to jail routinely in this country. And this criminalizing of children increases dramatically when cops are assigned to work in schools."

JFC, how up your own ass levels of clueless can you be?  I doubt she's ever even watched the movie and if she did, she wasn't paying any attention to it whatsoever.
 
2020-08-04 4:02:34 PM  
So another case of a racist finding racism where it doesn't exist. Got it.
 
2020-08-04 4:03:14 PM  
If this was 25 years ago, this joyless, flapping prolapse of a human being would have been railing against satanism in cartoons.

No matter what time and place in history you find yourself in, these kind of vile people can always find some self-important morality movement to cling on to.
 
2020-08-04 4:04:27 PM  

vrax: "National reckoning on overpolicing is a weird time to revive Kindergarten Cop. IRL, we are trying to end the school-to-prison pipeline," she tweeted. "There's nothing entertaining about the presence of police in schools, which feeds the 'school-to-prison' pipeline in which African American, Latinx and other kids of color are criminalized rather than educated. Five- and 6-year-olds are handcuffed and hauled off to jail routinely in this country. And this criminalizing of children increases dramatically when cops are assigned to work in schools."

JFC, how up your own ass levels of clueless can you be?  I doubt she's ever even watched the movie and if she did, she wasn't paying any attention to it whatsoever.


It's performative wokeness, and in case you haven't noticed, it's all the rage right now.
 
2020-08-04 4:05:23 PM  

Marbleisheavy: lurkey: Dumbest thing I've read today.

It may have given you a tumor.


IT'S NOT A TUMOR!!!
 
2020-08-04 4:06:00 PM  

Codenamechaz: Kinda reminds me of the people who were suddenly angry about Tropic Thunder last year because of RDJ's character while taking the entire point of his character out of context


Honestly, the people biatching about Tropic Thunder probably aren't old enough to have watched the actual movie and only know that character from memes.

There has been a huge generational shift in how people speak in references. GenX and to some degree the elder Millenials watch movies and TV and make references to them in casual conversation... Where as GenZ and late millenials just reference memes. And while we GenX and GenY make memes based on movies and TV, GenZ just sees the memes and draws their own conclusions...

So while we spread around RDJ looking completely stupefied and about to drop his cigar in meme form, people that don't watch movies and just read memes all day will draw their own conclusion about that meme and see it without the full context or nuance.

And that's where the problem of meme society comes in. Memes have little to no nuance. Sometimes you don't need nuance to be funny, but other times nuance helps create complex, deeper, and more endearing humor than dick and fart jokes.
 
2020-08-04 4:06:53 PM  

tricycleracer: If you want to celebrate the rich history of Oregon film production look no further than Animal House.


The Goonies would like a word.
 
2020-08-04 4:07:30 PM  

vrax: "National reckoning on overpolicing is a weird time to revive Kindergarten Cop. IRL, we are trying to end the school-to-prison pipeline," she tweeted. "There's nothing entertaining about the presence of police in schools, which feeds the 'school-to-prison' pipeline in which African American, Latinx and other kids of color are criminalized rather than educated. Five- and 6-year-olds are handcuffed and hauled off to jail routinely in this country. And this criminalizing of children increases dramatically when cops are assigned to work in schools."

JFC, how up your own ass levels of clueless can you be?  I doubt she's ever even watched the movie and if she did, she wasn't paying any attention to it whatsoever.


The type of person who railed against the Last Samurai for 'white-washing' because Tom Cruise was in it. Hint: He played and American and wasn't even 'the last samurai'. John Oliver was guilty of that one.
 
2020-08-04 4:07:58 PM  
Leveen also did not immediately respond to WW's request for further comment. But based on her Twitter response, the Film Center's statement left her dissatisfied.
"I think what you meant to type was, 'Yes, we made a grave error in not realizing the implicit racism in that programming decision. We apologize and are rethinking who makes our programming decisions hereafter.' How deep a white normativity hole will @nwfilmcenter keep digging?"


I was trying to find a suitable "eyeroll" gif, but I was unable to find something to adequately express it to the level required.
 
2020-08-04 4:08:18 PM  
Leveen also did not immediately respond to WW's request for further comment. But based on her Twitter response, the Film Center's statement left her dissatisfied.
"I think what you meant to type was, 'Yes, we made a grave error in not realizing the implicit racism in that programming decision.


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2020-08-04 4:09:40 PM  
Googled the author, exactly the kind of person I would expect to find a problem with everything.
 
2020-08-04 4:09:54 PM  

vrax: Leveen also did not immediately respond to WW's request for further comment. But based on her Twitter response, the Film Center's statement left her dissatisfied.
"I think what you meant to type was, 'Yes, we made a grave error in not realizing the implicit racism in that programming decision. We apologize and are rethinking who makes our programming decisions hereafter.' How deep a white normativity hole will @nwfilmcenter keep digging?"

I was trying to find a suitable "eyeroll" gif, but I was unable to find something to adequately express it to the level required.


I'll add "white normativity hole" to my band name idea list
 
2020-08-04 4:10:06 PM  
Well, someone registered a complaint on the internet, so you can see this is pretty serious.
 
2020-08-04 4:11:41 PM  

vrax: "National reckoning on overpolicing is a weird time to revive Kindergarten Cop. IRL, we are trying to end the school-to-prison pipeline," she tweeted. "There's nothing entertaining about the presence of police in schools, which feeds the 'school-to-prison' pipeline in which African American, Latinx and other kids of color are criminalized rather than educated. Five- and 6-year-olds are handcuffed and hauled off to jail routinely in this country. And this criminalizing of children increases dramatically when cops are assigned to work in schools."

JFC, how up your own ass levels of clueless can you be?  I doubt she's ever even watched the movie and if she did, she wasn't paying any attention to it whatsoever.


Gonna say. Has she even SEEN this movie?!?
 
2020-08-04 4:12:49 PM  
It's got Linda Hunt, a ferret, and Arnold punches out a child abuser.  It's kinda cheesy but it's one of those I've watched dozens of times as it would get air time on the weekend as I was building stuff with my Legos, back when we only got like six broadcast channels.

Plus Arnie reading Goodnight Moon with that accent is hilarious.
 
2020-08-04 4:13:16 PM  
She shouldnt be talking.

This is her. Notice the color of her skin

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And this is a book she wrote a fictional novel about slaves. She has no right to do that. That's cultural appropriation and she should be shunned by the public.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lois_Le​v​een#The_Secrets_of_Mary_Bowser,_Civil_​War_fiction_and_Historical_nonfiction
 
2020-08-04 4:13:37 PM  
While conservatives are pretty reprehensible, I get the Unabombers disdain for these overspecialized leftists.  Zealots suck in any direction.
 
2020-08-04 4:13:39 PM  
Buddy Revell > John Kimble. I have no idea how Kimble won.
 
2020-08-04 4:13:47 PM  

zombietheclown: vrax: Leveen also did not immediately respond to WW's request for further comment. But based on her Twitter response, the Film Center's statement left her dissatisfied.
"I think what you meant to type was, 'Yes, we made a grave error in not realizing the implicit racism in that programming decision. We apologize and are rethinking who makes our programming decisions hereafter.' How deep a white normativity hole will @nwfilmcenter keep digging?"

I was trying to find a suitable "eyeroll" gif, but I was unable to find something to adequately express it to the level required.

I'll add "white normativity hole" to my band name idea list


Huey Lewis/Courtney Love mashup?
 
2020-08-04 4:14:04 PM  

Extra Virgin Geek Olive Oil: There has been a huge generational shift in how people speak in references. GenX and to some degree the elder Millenials watch movies and TV and make references to them in casual conversation... Where as GenZ and late millenials just reference memes. And while we GenX and GenY make memes based on movies and TV, GenZ just sees the memes and draws their own conclusions...


You have touched on a problem with the entirety of social media, where the image is now more important than the context. The instant is now more important than the story.
 
2020-08-04 4:16:33 PM  

zombietheclown: Leveen also did not immediately respond to WW's request for further comment. But based on her Twitter response, the Film Center's statement left her dissatisfied.
"I think what you meant to type was, 'Yes, we made a grave error in not realizing the implicit racism in that programming decision.

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Not only that, but you see she wants someone fired over it.

This is the reason you can't give in to the mob. People and institutions need to learn they can say NO to people on twitter.  Once they see you immediately cave to their demands, it just encourages them.

It's lame and disgraceful.
 
2020-08-04 4:17:36 PM  
I'll give them that the premise of the film kind of normalizes the idea of cops being allowed to do whatever the fark they want, rights be damned, and that even though it's a comedy and thus expected to gloss over things to get to the jokes, it's legitimately in poor taste to have a public venue boost it right now.

Like... the fact that it's a comedy kind of makes it worse, even. Imagine if someone was doing this for a different national crisis and signal boosting a whacky '90s office comedy about a bunch of lovable but bumbling government bureaucrats failing at various tasks because they hate their jobs at the CDC and the pandemic control commission. There's such a thing as timing when it comes to comedy, y'know.

That said, "implicit racism" is clearly complete nonsense and I wouldn't actually classify the film as copaganda, either. Things can have unfortunate implications without having an inherent agenda, and comedy often ages poorly for reasons unrelated to the jokes not landing.
 
2020-08-04 4:18:28 PM  
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2020-08-04 4:19:24 PM  
It was an anti-cop movie. The police force first demands that their agents be allowed to infiltrate the school, made worse that Arnie defrauds them by going under false pretences (claiming he was once a teacher.) to add to this underhanded and likely illegal attempt at entrapment, Arnie goes on to have an illicit affair with a student's mother ( who ends up being a suspect) and even brutally attacks a child's father on school property in full view of the children.

And, in the end, the crooked cop gets what he deserves, getting shot and bleeding all over a disgusting public bathroom.

ACAB.
 
2020-08-04 4:20:01 PM  

cman: She shouldnt be talking.

This is her. Notice the color of her skin

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And this is a book she wrote a fictional novel about slaves. She has no right to do that. That's cultural appropriation and she should be shunned by the public.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lois_Lev​een#The_Secrets_of_Mary_Bowser,_Civil_​War_fiction_and_Historical_nonfiction


People like her, if my dog laid a lawn sausage in her yard, I'd act like I didn't notice.
 
2020-08-04 4:20:18 PM  

Jim_Callahan: I'll give them that the premise of the film kind of normalizes the idea of cops being allowed to do whatever the fark they want, rights be damned, and that even though it's a comedy and thus expected to gloss over things to get to the jokes, it's legitimately in poor taste to have a public venue boost it right now.

Like... the fact that it's a comedy kind of makes it worse, even. Imagine if someone was doing this for a different national crisis and signal boosting a whacky '90s office comedy about a bunch of lovable but bumbling government bureaucrats failing at various tasks because they hate their jobs at the CDC and the pandemic control commission. There's such a thing as timing when it comes to comedy, y'know.

That said, "implicit racism" is clearly complete nonsense and I wouldn't actually classify the film as copaganda, either. Things can have unfortunate implications without having an inherent agenda, and comedy often ages poorly for reasons unrelated to the jokes not landing.


Not to worry, they will now be playing wacky 80's film, 'Soul Man'.
 
2020-08-04 4:21:06 PM  
This shiat is why people farking hate liberals.
 
2020-08-04 4:21:14 PM  

SanityIsAFullTimeJob: zombietheclown: Leveen also did not immediately respond to WW's request for further comment. But based on her Twitter response, the Film Center's statement left her dissatisfied.
"I think what you meant to type was, 'Yes, we made a grave error in not realizing the implicit racism in that programming decision.

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Not only that, but you see she wants someone fired over it.

This is the reason you can't give in to the mob. People and institutions need to learn they can say NO to people on twitter.  Once they see you immediately cave to their demands, it just encourages them.

It's lame and disgraceful.


People should mail her a bunch of copies of the movie, promo posters, etc...
 
2020-08-04 4:21:28 PM  
Sure, subby, but screening "Kindergarten Cop" is also not morally equivalent to screening a film.

Seriously, that movie sucked. The "tumor" joke was the only thing it had going for it. The. Only. Thing. It's not even campy funny, it will go down in history as the worst film Arnie ever made, and then be forgotten for the good of all.
 
2020-08-04 4:21:35 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: While I think the comparison is ridiculous, the movie is rated PG-13, so it's not really a "family film". When it was originally released there was even talk about how the child actors in the movie weren't old enough to see it in theaters.


I rate this story R for the R-word, because that's what it is.
 
2020-08-04 4:22:00 PM  

cman: She shouldnt be talking.

This is her. Notice the color of her skin

[media-amazon.com image 650x519]

And this is a book she wrote a fictional novel about slaves. She has no right to do that. That's cultural appropriation and she should be shunned by the public.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lois_Lev​een#The_Secrets_of_Mary_Bowser,_Civil_​War_fiction_and_Historical_nonfiction


I've met a couple people like this before who seem to have such a need to find some social relevance for themselves that they look for any angle to wedge themselves into a hot topic, even if it is absurdly misguided.  It's like they are desperately trying to find a unique angle for a master's thesis and, whoa, this little flicker of light looks like it might be something so they just go all in on it.  And look like an idiot.
 
2020-08-04 4:22:28 PM  

thealgorerhythm: Sure, subby, but screening "Kindergarten Cop" is also not morally equivalent to screening a film.

Seriously, that movie sucked. The "tumor" joke was the only thing it had going for it. The. Only. Thing. It's not even campy funny, it will go down in history as the worst film Arnie ever made, and then be forgotten for the good of all.


No the worst film Arnold ever made was Commando.
 
2020-08-04 4:23:08 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Like... the fact that it's a comedy kind of makes it worse, even.


Humor can be a very healthy way to deal with horrific and tragic situations.  Take WWII.  Horrific losses, unimaginable pain and suffering.  But that's also the backdrop for a lot of the loony toons.  Bugs Bunny, Daffy, all of that grew out of WWII.  Mickey was also part of that...Humor can be used in a healing way as well as a dismissive and harmful way.

It's a delicate thing, and needs to be done with a lot of tact...but as was never said (but should have been) by Freud...sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
 
2020-08-04 4:24:04 PM  

A Cave Geek: Extra Virgin Geek Olive Oil: There has been a huge generational shift in how people speak in references. GenX and to some degree the elder Millenials watch movies and TV and make references to them in casual conversation... Where as GenZ and late millenials just reference memes. And while we GenX and GenY make memes based on movies and TV, GenZ just sees the memes and draws their own conclusions...

You have touched on a problem with the entirety of social media, where the image is now more important than the context. The instant is now more important than the story.


It really isn't social media though... a lot of GenZ and Late GenY don't partake in much more beyond Twitter and TikTok. I've been pretty close friends with some 20ish year olds recently, plus I have teenage kids, so I'm getting some insight (and boy does it make me feel old).

They spend a lot of their time on discord servers reading, trading, and creating memes that in a LOT of cases make no sense unless you are thoroughly entrenched in meme society as they reference memes that are other memes. And I've been out with them and they make these comments that I'm like "What reference is that from?" and they answer "It's from a meme" and eventually they show me the meme because I'm old and need help crossing the road...
 
2020-08-04 4:24:28 PM  

cman: thealgorerhythm: Sure, subby, but screening "Kindergarten Cop" is also not morally equivalent to screening a film.

Seriously, that movie sucked. The "tumor" joke was the only thing it had going for it. The. Only. Thing. It's not even campy funny, it will go down in history as the worst film Arnie ever made, and then be forgotten for the good of all.

No the worst film Arnold ever made was Commando.


That's not how you spell Raw Deal.
 
2020-08-04 4:25:41 PM  

cman: thealgorerhythm: Sure, subby, but screening "Kindergarten Cop" is also not morally equivalent to screening a film.

Seriously, that movie sucked. The "tumor" joke was the only thing it had going for it. The. Only. Thing. It's not even campy funny, it will go down in history as the worst film Arnie ever made, and then be forgotten for the good of all.

No the worst film Arnold ever made was Commando.


Last Action Hero.
 
2020-08-04 4:27:07 PM  
This is the stupidest shiat I have read all day. The Axios interview with Trump doesn't count, that was a video.
 
2020-08-04 4:27:09 PM  

gunga galunga: cman: thealgorerhythm: Sure, subby, but screening "Kindergarten Cop" is also not morally equivalent to screening a film.

Seriously, that movie sucked. The "tumor" joke was the only thing it had going for it. The. Only. Thing. It's not even campy funny, it will go down in history as the worst film Arnie ever made, and then be forgotten for the good of all.

No the worst film Arnold ever made was Commando.

That's not how you spell Raw Deal.


I think those were actually the same movie.
 
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