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2020-08-04 5:32:34 PM  
Wow, I read the comments
The fan boys really DO respond to any criticism of Tesla vehicles with "short seller", probably w/o knowing what a short sale is
 
2020-08-04 7:30:27 PM  

baka-san: Wow, I read the comments
The fan boys really DO respond to any criticism of Tesla vehicles with "short seller", probably w/o knowing what a short sale is


While Tesla is over hyped puff short sellers really do play some dirty games. One guy really well known for it will do a press release so it shows up when you search their stock about investigation some supposed wrong doing. Legit companies don't complain about it like Musk does because they know it won't work with them.
 
2020-08-04 9:02:56 PM  

Intrepid00: baka-san: Wow, I read the comments
The fan boys really DO respond to any criticism of Tesla vehicles with "short seller", probably w/o knowing what a short sale is

While Tesla is over hyped puff short sellers really do play some dirty games. One guy really well known for it will do a press release so it shows up when you search their stock about investigation some supposed wrong doing. Legit companies don't complain about it like Musk does because they know it won't work with them.


I found the short seller.
 
2020-08-04 9:14:58 PM  
Obviously the study is full of crap... they seem to have Dodge at the top of the quality rankings.
 
2020-08-04 9:55:58 PM  
This is where that stats lecture on cultural differences comes into play. The Chinese market probably has a much higher threshold for 'complaint" than the US does.
 
2020-08-04 10:13:34 PM  
https://aruljohn.com/ip/211.154.10.11​3

Yup.  The IP comes from ZhengZhou
 
2020-08-04 10:19:51 PM  
That article is the combination of Google Translate and one semester of English.
 
2020-08-04 10:33:11 PM  

el_pilgrim: This is where that stats lecture on cultural differences comes into play. The Chinese market probably has a much higher threshold for 'complaint" than the US does.


It's probably cultural but not in the way you think.

When US companies were having problems selling in Japan, one thing they discovered was that it wasn't unusual for Japanese buyers to spent hours inspecting a new car before taking delivery, while US buyers might pop the hood at most. The exacting standards required to sell in their home market were one of the reasons that Japanese cars had a reputation for quality when they sold in the US, while US manufacturers had to seriously up their QA process.

I would bet that something similar is happening here, Tesla sold in China are better made because the buyers demand it, which leads to better quality and fewer problems. On the other hand, Musk knows he could slap a Tesla label on a 78 Ford Maverick and it would sell out in the US.
 
2020-08-04 10:59:12 PM  

Troy Aikman's Giant Thumbs: el_pilgrim: This is where that stats lecture on cultural differences comes into play. The Chinese market probably has a much higher threshold for 'complaint" than the US does.

It's probably cultural but not in the way you think.

When US companies were having problems selling in Japan, one thing they discovered was that it wasn't unusual for Japanese buyers to spent hours inspecting a new car before taking delivery, while US buyers might pop the hood at most. The exacting standards required to sell in their home market were one of the reasons that Japanese cars had a reputation for quality when they sold in the US, while US manufacturers had to seriously up their QA process.

I would bet that something similar is happening here, Tesla sold in China are better made because the buyers demand it, which leads to better quality and fewer problems. On the other hand, Musk knows he could slap a Tesla label on a 78 Ford Maverick and it would sell out in the US.


Don't diss the maverick
Unkillable if you lived in a place without salt
Then they would run till the body vanished in a poof of metal dust
 
2020-08-04 11:20:26 PM  

Troy Aikman's Giant Thumbs: el_pilgrim: This is where that stats lecture on cultural differences comes into play. The Chinese market probably has a much higher threshold for 'complaint" than the US does.

It's probably cultural but not in the way you think.

When US companies were having problems selling in Japan, one thing they discovered was that it wasn't unusual for Japanese buyers to spent hours inspecting a new car before taking delivery, while US buyers might pop the hood at most. The exacting standards required to sell in their home market were one of the reasons that Japanese cars had a reputation for quality when they sold in the US, while US manufacturers had to seriously up their QA process.

I would bet that something similar is happening here, Tesla sold in China are better made because the buyers demand it, which leads to better quality and fewer problems. On the other hand, Musk knows he could slap a Tesla label on a 78 Ford Maverick and it would sell out in the US.


No. China, as a country and culture, doesn't really care about that kind of detail. They want a functional car that looks ok. The largest sellers in China are not foreign makes, but instead local made fakes. Though VW has a stranglehold left over from the 90's when China gave them a huge market share (all cabs were Passats). 

E.g. Chinese 'fake'

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Quality control has never been China's strong suit, and most of the public has little and / or very narrow education.
 
2020-08-05 12:03:18 AM  

Troy Aikman's Giant Thumbs: el_pilgrim: This is where that stats lecture on cultural differences comes into play. The Chinese market probably has a much higher threshold for 'complaint" than the US does.

It's probably cultural but not in the way you think.

When US companies were having problems selling in Japan, one thing they discovered was that it wasn't unusual for Japanese buyers to spent hours inspecting a new car before taking delivery, while US buyers might pop the hood at most. The exacting standards required to sell in their home market were one of the reasons that Japanese cars had a reputation for quality when they sold in the US, while US manufacturers had to seriously up their QA process.

I would bet that something similar is happening here, Tesla sold in China are better made because the buyers demand it, which leads to better quality and fewer problems. On the other hand, Musk knows he could slap a Tesla label on a 78 Ford Maverick and it would sell out in the US.


The way im thinking is that this is maybe the 2nd generation of Chinese auto consumers.
What they would 'complain' about are not the same things American buyers would. When your parents might not have been able to buy a car, or if they were it would barley qualify as a car today, you have a different mindset on what you complain about. Dash rattle - no big deal there, thats a complaint here.
 
2020-08-05 12:20:38 AM  

el_pilgrim: Troy Aikman's Giant Thumbs: el_pilgrim: This is where that stats lecture on cultural differences comes into play. The Chinese market probably has a much higher threshold for 'complaint" than the US does.

It's probably cultural but not in the way you think.

When US companies were having problems selling in Japan, one thing they discovered was that it wasn't unusual for Japanese buyers to spent hours inspecting a new car before taking delivery, while US buyers might pop the hood at most. The exacting standards required to sell in their home market were one of the reasons that Japanese cars had a reputation for quality when they sold in the US, while US manufacturers had to seriously up their QA process.

I would bet that something similar is happening here, Tesla sold in China are better made because the buyers demand it, which leads to better quality and fewer problems. On the other hand, Musk knows he could slap a Tesla label on a 78 Ford Maverick and it would sell out in the US.

The way im thinking is that this is maybe the 2nd generation of Chinese auto consumers.
What they would 'complain' about are not the same things American buyers would. When your parents might not have been able to buy a car, or if they were it would barley qualify as a car today, you have a different mindset on what you complain about. Dash rattle - no big deal there, thats a complaint here.


Im wondering how much of the domestic complaints were about not being able to figure out the infotainment system and the like rather than actual functional issues.
 
2020-08-05 12:38:00 AM  

Troy Aikman's Giant Thumbs: When US companies were having problems selling in Japan, one thing they discovered was that it wasn't unusual for Japanese buyers to spent hours inspecting a new car before taking delivery, while US buyers might pop the hood at most.


In Japan, it's not unusual for the first step to buying a new car is for the car salesman to come to your home with all the brochures and discuss what you are looking for and your options. That's some serious damn personal service.
 
2020-08-05 10:33:38 AM  

Troy Aikman's Giant Thumbs: el_pilgrim: This is where that stats lecture on cultural differences comes into play. The Chinese market probably has a much higher threshold for 'complaint" than the US does.

It's probably cultural but not in the way you think.

When US companies were having problems selling in Japan, one thing they discovered was that it wasn't unusual for Japanese buyers to spent hours inspecting a new car before taking delivery, while US buyers might pop the hood at most. The exacting standards required to sell in their home market were one of the reasons that Japanese cars had a reputation for quality when they sold in the US, while US manufacturers had to seriously up their QA process.

I would bet that something similar is happening here, Tesla sold in China are better made because the buyers demand it, which leads to better quality and fewer problems. On the other hand, Musk knows he could slap a Tesla label on a 78 Ford Maverick and it would sell out in the US.


I've noticed Tesla's are like the most dirty ass car on the road around here. Can you not take these things through a car wash?
 
2020-08-05 11:26:36 AM  

baka-san: Troy Aikman's Giant Thumbs: el_pilgrim: This is where that stats lecture on cultural differences comes into play. The Chinese market probably has a much higher threshold for 'complaint" than the US does.

It's probably cultural but not in the way you think.

When US companies were having problems selling in Japan, one thing they discovered was that it wasn't unusual for Japanese buyers to spent hours inspecting a new car before taking delivery, while US buyers might pop the hood at most. The exacting standards required to sell in their home market were one of the reasons that Japanese cars had a reputation for quality when they sold in the US, while US manufacturers had to seriously up their QA process.

I would bet that something similar is happening here, Tesla sold in China are better made because the buyers demand it, which leads to better quality and fewer problems. On the other hand, Musk knows he could slap a Tesla label on a 78 Ford Maverick and it would sell out in the US.

Don't diss the maverick
Unkillable if you lived in a place without salt
Then they would run till the body vanished in a poof of metal dust


I would never diss the maverick. My roommate had one and it was everything you would expect a Ford to be, especially after the power steering broke and only worked when turning left.
 
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