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(Some Guy)   Being that Joe Biden has ducked most of his presidential campaign so far, he may also duck the debates being that he's leading Trump in the polls   (disrn.com) divider line
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2020-08-04 11:41:15 AM  
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2020-08-04 11:45:21 AM  
"Debates" will consist of two empty chairs flinging poop at each other.
 
2020-08-04 11:45:27 AM  
Im pretty sure Clint Eastwood still has the empty chair to put to good effect.

Not showing plays into his tiny weak hands.
 
2020-08-04 11:48:13 AM  
No, he won't. you can see how much he's looking forward to wiping the floor with trump when a reporter asked him about it last month. huge grin and "I can't wait".

unlike what someone was saying yesterday biden knows how to deal with a blow hard - he isn't afraid to laugh in their face and say that what they just said "is a bunch of malarkey". he literally did it to paul ryan
 
2020-08-04 11:48:33 AM  
"Never interrupt your enemy while he's in the process of making a mistake".

And Trump is always in the process of making a mistake.
 
2020-08-04 11:48:42 AM  
And miss turning the orange turd inside out?
 
2020-08-04 11:49:38 AM  
"Being that Joe Biden has ducked most of his presidential campaign so far, he may also duck the debates being that he's leading Trump in the polls "

Um....wtf with this headline? That's not what TFA says at all. TFA is talking about an op/ed suggesting he not bother.

Biden and his campaign have not only said nothing of the kind, Biden himself has said he can't wait.
 
2020-08-04 11:52:00 AM  
Is there a reason to debate?  Trump doesn't debate, he just spouts talking points, lies, and assorted word salad.  Look at the recent Swan interview, where he can barely be kept on topic.  It's not worth debating him.

Biden should do what he does; keep speaking publicly to the issues at hand, and stressing solutions instead of rhetoric.
 
2020-08-04 11:52:58 AM  
Why would Biden allow himself to have to stand there while trump spouts out a boatload of lies and the 'moderator' says nothing?
 
2020-08-04 11:59:38 AM  
Oh sure, it's Biden who wants to skip the debates. Biden, the master debater who wiped the floor with Sarah Palin and Paul Ryan.
 
2020-08-04 12:04:26 PM  
Also, Biden has been running a great campaign
 
2020-08-04 12:07:35 PM  
There is no way to have a debate with the chessboard pigeon, its incapable of doing so and its supporters don't care either, they just want to watch the pigeon strut around crapping all over the chessboard.

Ignore the pigeon, let it stomp around in its own crap, that seems to be turning off a lot of the crap-lovers all on its own these days.
 
2020-08-04 12:19:32 PM  
No, make the offer of having a debate with Trump. He'll weasel out of it and the press will have fun showing off his cowardice.
 
2020-08-04 12:24:12 PM  
I've never heard of Disrn before. It looks like it was founded by the the co-founders of the thee satirical Babylon Bee...

Perusing the articles, this is Poeslaw.
 
2020-08-04 12:30:35 PM  

Devolving_Spud: Is there a reason to debate?  Trump doesn't debate, he just spouts talking points, lies, and assorted word salad.  Look at the recent Swan interview, where he can barely be kept on topic.  It's not worth debating him.

Biden should do what he does; keep speaking publicly to the issues at hand, and stressing solutions instead of rhetoric.


He needs to call that out in the debate, loudly, every time Trump does it.  If he gets to respond simply say

"I can't respond to that statement because that wasn't an answer to the question or even a coherent thought", then talk about the Democratic plan
 
2020-08-04 12:41:01 PM  
If the debates aren't held, it will be because the RNC and Team Trump have finally talked some sense into the orange shiatgibbon.  They didn't even want to televise the coronation convention. They know what Biden will do to him and they still have downballot races that they have a chance (small) of winning.  They don't want anything to rock the boat, let alone repeatedly ram it into a goddamn iceberg.

There won't be a debates, but it will be framed by the administration as the leftist Chinavirus being deliberately planted in the dressing room shiaaer by immigrant Antifa or some such.
 
2020-08-04 12:44:20 PM  
There really should be no reason for a debate to happen.
 
2020-08-04 12:46:24 PM  

HugeMistake: "Never interrupt your enemy while he's in the process of making a mistake".

And Trump is always in the process of making a mistake.


Good strategy.
Keep your mouth shut until the shooting stops.
You win.
 
2020-08-04 12:46:34 PM  
OpEd =\ Biden campaign
 
2020-08-04 12:46:38 PM  
Trump's only weapon is emotional trolling and lies. If all Biden did was talk calmly, plainly, and simply, revealing the absurd whenever Trump tries to lie or troll, Trump would go down in flames.  Comedy is Trump's kryptonite.  It was ostensibly the reason he entered politics (being made fun of) and his inability to wield it while being unable to laugh at himself or admit mistakes is easily his greatest exploitable flaw.

Problem is, Biden isn't a natural comedian, so he'd have to prep a ton.
 
2020-08-04 12:46:56 PM  
stink bait
 
2020-08-04 12:47:00 PM  
He won't.  This is just a narrative which virally exploded after the author was interviewed about her article and all of the cable networks picked it up.

Bidens been gnashing at the bit to lay into the ignoramus who personally wet after his son.
 
2020-08-04 12:47:40 PM  
That would be really dumb, considering his opponent's overconfidence.

He gets to debate a guy that went on tv and bragged about recalling five words, apparently convinced that it's a difficult task.
 
2020-08-04 12:48:19 PM  
Wtf just because there is so much other news that his campaign stuff doesn't get discussed incessantly like the press normally does for presidential campaigns doesn't mean he isn't still campaigning....stop perpetuating Trump's stupid "Joe's hiding in his basement" propaganda.
 
2020-08-04 12:48:22 PM  
Honestly, the best way to handle trump is to just point and laugh.  The one thing he can't stand is to be ridiculed or mocked or belittled.  He goes completely unhinged.  Joe's got this.  He tore Paul Ryan to shreds by doing exactly this.
 
2020-08-04 12:48:38 PM  
If Joe Biden looks trump dead in the eyes and says 'That is the stupidest farking thing I have ever heard' at any point, I will be satisfied.
 
2020-08-04 12:48:39 PM  
By definition, there can be no debate with Trump. You can have spectacle. You can have circus. You can't have debate because he is not capable of rational dialogue.
 
2020-08-04 12:48:45 PM  
The fact that there won't be a live audience should have a significant impact on any debate style that is more about the show than the substance.
 
2020-08-04 12:50:06 PM  
"ducked"?

Should he be trying to steal the spotlight from 150,000 dead and 30 million jobless?
 
2020-08-04 12:50:08 PM  

Kazan: No, he won't. you can see how much he's looking forward to wiping the floor with trump when a reporter asked him about it last month. huge grin and "I can't wait".

unlike what someone was saying yesterday biden knows how to deal with a blow hard - he isn't afraid to laugh in their face and say that what they just said "is a bunch of malarkey". he literally did it to paul ryan


Done in two.
 
2020-08-04 12:50:30 PM  
Might as well as the debates are next to useless. The current format for Presidential debates makes it way too easy for amoral slimeballs like Trump to dodge and spew BS that goes unrefuted.
 
2020-08-04 12:50:33 PM  
It's difficult to 'debate' Trump because he just makes shiat up on the spot and you can't possibly be prepared for or have the time to disprove everything.
 
2020-08-04 12:51:14 PM  
There is no way in hell the TV networks allow there not to be debates

Also it would be an absolute disaster not to debate Trump because he will call "Sleepy Joe" "Cowardly Joe" all the way to 350 EVs
 
2020-08-04 12:51:43 PM  
Biden needs to require any debate turns off the mic for the person whose turn it is not. No interjections, no interrupting your opponent.

Trump's head will explode.
 
2020-08-04 12:51:57 PM  

NeedlesslyCanadian: "Being that Joe Biden has ducked most of his presidential campaign so far, he may also duck the debates being that he's leading Trump in the polls "

Um....wtf with this headline? That's not what TFA says at all. TFA is talking about an op/ed suggesting he not bother.

Biden and his campaign have not only said nothing of the kind, Biden himself has said he can't wait.


Also, the phrase "being that" is used twice, both times inappropriately. subby is just all-around terrible at writing.
 
2020-08-04 12:52:13 PM  
I wonder if this is some kind of Biden-sanctioned rope-a-dope strategy, to get Trump to actually agree to debate.  Make Trump think Biden doesn't want to debate and then as Trump gloats about it, Biden comes out and says anytime anywhere!

Unlike Hillary, Biden would clean Trump's clock, go for the throat and actually double-tap the heap.  I can't wait for a debate, even without fact checking, because I think Biden will be dexterous enough to point out how and when Trump is lying as he does so.
 
2020-08-04 12:52:28 PM  
That's a whole lot of extrapolating, Subby.
 
2020-08-04 12:52:28 PM  
The problem Biden faces debating Trump is Trump doesn't care about rules or any matter of decorum. That mattered when he debated Palin, and he couldn't come across as being a bully by making her look too stupid. Trump, on the other hand, wants Biden to do just that, so he can interrupt him and turn it into a reality TV event. Last time every chance he got he would shout "WRONG!" whenever he felt, just to be an interruption. Biden wouldn't be able to get a complete sentence in, and Trump will come out with clips of Biden stammering at responding, knowing an interrupting is coming.
 
2020-08-04 12:52:33 PM  
They will probably get Tucker Carlson to "moderate"
 
2020-08-04 12:52:48 PM  

Ambivalence: Oh sure, it's Biden who wants to skip the debates. Biden, the master debater who wiped the floor with Sarah Palin and Paul Ryan.


He may be gaffe prone but he's absolutely savage 1v1, so I think you're on the money.

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If I was a bettin' man I'd guess Trump is going to scream "Why won't Biden debate me??" about once a week going forward, but Team Trumpwaffen will never agree to *any* debate terms.  And then it'll be "Biden won't schedule a reasonable debate with me!!"

Like you can debate these guys anyway.  Any debate with a Trumper and especially with Trump himself is basically a liar's showcase.  Totally meaningless.   We'll all be fact-checking to see if Biden is a Lizard Man from Alpha Centauri and crap.

Like anyone is taking dialog with these clowns seriously now.  I don't think even Trump supporters can.
 
2020-08-04 12:53:02 PM  

PainInTheASP: If the debates aren't held, it will be because the RNC and Team Trump have finally talked some sense into the orange shiatgibbon.  They didn't even want to televise the coronation convention. They know what Biden will do to him and they still have downballot races that they have a chance (small) of winning.  They don't want anything to rock the boat, let alone repeatedly ram it into a goddamn iceberg.

There won't be a debates, but it will be framed by the administration as the leftist Chinavirus being deliberately planted in the dressing room shiaaer by immigrant Antifa or some such.


I don't think either the Dems or Reps want a debate. Neither candidate is at their peak.  Both have serious cognitive deficiencies.  Both are well into their 70s.  They don't want the resulting shiatshow to jeopardize their duopoly on power.

By comparison, doddering Ronald Reagan was a youthful 69 when inaugurated.

Bow down before the one you serve.
You're gonna get what you deserve.
 
2020-08-04 12:53:38 PM  
I see we're still pushing the 'hiding in his basement' false narrative.

/smacks subby on nose with newspaper
 
2020-08-04 12:53:47 PM  

TwoHead: By definition, there can be no debate with Trump. You can have spectacle. You can have circus. You can't have debate because he is not capable of rational dialogue.


Yup.

Biden's best strategy would be to use his time to simply insult Trump. Make fun of his small hands. Make fun of his hair. Make fun of his bank account. Make fun of his intelligence. Point out how he cheats at golf. Hell, make fun of his mushroom dick. And, most of all, point out all the things Obama did better. Point them out over and over again.

It's rolling around in the dirt, but that's the best strategy with Trump. Trump is unbelievably thin-skinned, but he thinks he's tough because he surrounds himself with yes-men that never point out his faults. Point ALL of them out.
 
2020-08-04 12:54:27 PM  

Kazan: No, he won't. you can see how much he's looking forward to wiping the floor with trump when a reporter asked him about it last month. huge grin and "I can't wait".

unlike what someone was saying yesterday biden knows how to deal with a blow hard - he isn't afraid to laugh in their face and say that what they just said "is a bunch of malarkey". he literally did it to paul ryan


Biden: "I'd just like to point out that Donald once again didn't answer the question that was actually asked, though judging by the shiat-eating grin of his he thinks he's doing well.  Isn't that adorable?"
 
2020-08-04 12:54:28 PM  

NeedlesslyCanadian: "Being that Joe Biden has ducked most of his presidential campaign so far, he may also duck the debates being that he's leading Trump in the polls "

Um....wtf with this headline? That's not what TFA says at all. TFA is talking about an op/ed suggesting he not bother.

Biden and his campaign have not only said nothing of the kind, Biden himself has said he can't wait.


"HURR DURR BIDEN IS TAKING THE PANDEMIC SERIOUSLY AND WON'T HOLD RALLIES LIKE BRAVE MR. TRUMP!!!"
 
2020-08-04 12:54:37 PM  
I really would love to see Biden tell D2S off to his face.
 
2020-08-04 12:54:42 PM  

pueblonative: And miss turning the orange turd inside out?


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2020-08-04 12:54:56 PM  

Kuta: PainInTheASP: If the debates aren't held, it will be because the RNC and Team Trump have finally talked some sense into the orange shiatgibbon.  They didn't even want to televise the coronation convention. They know what Biden will do to him and they still have downballot races that they have a chance (small) of winning.  They don't want anything to rock the boat, let alone repeatedly ram it into a goddamn iceberg.

There won't be a debates, but it will be framed by the administration as the leftist Chinavirus being deliberately planted in the dressing room shiaaer by immigrant Antifa or some such.

I don't think either the Dems or Reps want a debate. Neither candidate is at their peak.  Both have serious cognitive deficiencies.  Both are well into their 70s.  They don't want the resulting shiatshow to jeopardize their duopoly on power.

By comparison, doddering Ronald Reagan was a youthful 69 when inaugurated.

Bow down before the one you serve.
You're gonna get what you deserve.


Go fark yourself with your false equivalence and neocon talking points. You have more cognitive deficiencies than Biden does.
 
2020-08-04 12:54:58 PM  
After all three debates is 2016, Clinton's numbers jumped, because Trump looked like an absolute psycho throughout. All Biden needs to do is beat the extremely low expectations the Trump campaign has set by claiming that Biden is essentially mashed potato in a Brooks Brothers suit, and make a lot of "can you believe this shiat?" faces, which is one of Biden's strong suits.
 
2020-08-04 12:55:08 PM  

anjin-san: The fact that there won't be a live audience should have a significant impact on any debate style that is more about the show than the substance.


Why would there not be a live audience?  We have been having press conferences with live audiences
 
2020-08-04 12:55:12 PM  

propasaurus: Also, Biden has been running a great campaign


The ads he's been running have been really good and make me excited to vote for him.
 
2020-08-04 12:55:18 PM  

Kuta: PainInTheASP: If the debates aren't held, it will be because the RNC and Team Trump have finally talked some sense into the orange shiatgibbon.  They didn't even want to televise the coronation convention. They know what Biden will do to him and they still have downballot races that they have a chance (small) of winning.  They don't want anything to rock the boat, let alone repeatedly ram it into a goddamn iceberg.

There won't be a debates, but it will be framed by the administration as the leftist Chinavirus being deliberately planted in the dressing room shiaaer by immigrant Antifa or some such.

I don't think either the Dems or Reps want a debate. Neither candidate is at their peak.  Both have serious cognitive deficiencies.  Both are well into their 70s.  They don't want the resulting shiatshow to jeopardize their duopoly on power.

By comparison, doddering Ronald Reagan was a youthful 69 when inaugurated.

Bow down before the one you serve.
You're gonna get what you deserve.


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2020-08-04 12:55:41 PM  

PirateKing: If Joe Biden looks trump dead in the eyes and says 'That is the stupidest farking thing I have ever heard' at any point, I will be satisfied.


We may be at a time when an F-bomb, in that context, could be dropped and considered appropriate and about farking time.
 
2020-08-04 12:55:48 PM  
Why should he have to prove he's qualified for the job of the most powerful position in the world?  Amirite?

If we don't get at least one debate where two senile, angry old men yell at each other about who can do more push-ups we are getting ripped off.
 
2020-08-04 12:56:06 PM  

Devolving_Spud: Is there a reason to debate?  Trump doesn't debate, he just spouts talking points, lies, and assorted word salad.  Look at the recent Swan interview, where he can barely be kept on topic.  It's not worth debating him.

Biden should do what he does; keep speaking publicly to the issues at hand, and stressing solutions instead of rhetoric.


If Biden doesn't debate that's a quick road to him losing.

Rick Scott barely beat that senile old astronaut in Florida's senate race.  And that only happened because of the vicious attack ads against the senile old astronaut, who really needed to be put out to pasture.  A refusal to debate means Biden is going to be viewed as weak (the worst), old, senile, and scared.  That's not a good look for a presidential candidate.
 
2020-08-04 12:57:04 PM  
Trumps idea of a debate is to walk around on stage like a deranged chicken saying "wrong " to every word that is said about him ..
 
2020-08-04 12:57:09 PM  
There is no such things as "debates" any more.  They've devolved into spectacle.

Folks need to wipe that academic idea of Lincoln/ Douglas out of their minds and think back to just four years ago where a person light years more intelligent, experienced and presidential than Trump was accorded at best a draw with that orange mouth-breathing neanderthal by our "liberal" networks.

Yes, in a neutral setting under solid debate rules Biden would wipe the floor with Trump.  The kind of debates the League of Women Voters used to present before the parties took over. That's not realistically what we have. It's spectacle and personality and balance.  It's who blustered more.

Forget the debates. Biden has little to gain and Trump as needs to shake up the race so he shouldn't be afforded any opportunity to do so.
 
2020-08-04 12:57:32 PM  
Have the questions typed on a pieces of paper and make the candidates read them out loud.
 
2020-08-04 12:59:16 PM  
It won't be a debate. It will be Trump blustering and interrupting and "wrong"ing when Biden is speaking. And if Biden tries to interrupt him, Trump will become indignant and....whatever.

Biden will beat Trump into the ground at a debate. But Trump will win a televised game of "Who's the Bigger Asshole?"
 
2020-08-04 12:59:32 PM  
Debating Trump is like playing chess against a pigeon - except in this case, the pigeons in the audience will also claim the pigeon won, then crap all over Facebook and Twitter, and Pigeon News will go on endlessly about how the pigeon won and the Non-pigeon Fake news is just anti-pigeon, then crap all over themselves.  Meanwhile the head pigeon will go off on a tirade about the anti-pigeon moderators who fed answers to the non-pigeons, all while trying to eat the food out of your hands, then shout LUNCH ORDER on Twitter.
 
2020-08-04 1:00:06 PM  

Ambivalence: Oh sure, it's Biden who wants to skip the debates. Biden, the master debater who wiped the floor with Sarah Palin and Paul Ryan.


======================================​===========================

While that's true...  You know as well as I do that Trump won't even be able to complete a full sentence, everything will be a lie, and nothing he says will even make sense... but Biden will commit one accidental gaffe and every single headline will be 'JOE BIDEN GETS DESTROYED IN THE DEBATES' and 'JOE BIDEN'S MEMORY IS VANISHING.  IS HE FIT FOR THE PRESIDENCY?!'

You know it.  I know it.

It's just not worth it.
 
2020-08-04 1:00:18 PM  

PainInTheASP: If the debates aren't held, it will be because the RNC and Team Trump have finally talked some sense into the orange shiatgibbon.  They didn't even want to televise the coronation convention. They know what Biden will do to him and they still have downballot races that they have a chance (small) of winning.  They don't want anything to rock the boat, let alone repeatedly ram it into a goddamn iceberg.

There won't be a debates, but it will be framed by the administration as the leftist Chinavirus being deliberately planted in the dressing room shiaaer by immigrant Antifa or some such.


My prediction:

There will be one debate. Trump's ego has him convinced that he will mop the floor with Biden and none of his handlers will be able to talk him out of it. It will be a disaster for him, mainly because Biden will be prepared for his debate shenanigans, and instead of just rolling his eyes with a "can you believe this guy?" expression that worked soooo well for Hillary during the 2016 debates (sarcasm), he will go on the offense against Trump. This will have Trump raving his usual gibberish and he will completely crater.

Afterwards, Trump will start ranting about the "unfair, biased moderator" and claim the whole debate was "rigged". This will be his excuse to skip over further debates.
 
2020-08-04 1:00:27 PM  

jethroe: Why should he have to prove he's qualified for the job of the most powerful position in the world?


You're not going to get that proof from a debate with Donald Trump.
 
2020-08-04 1:01:02 PM  

Blathering Idjut: There is no such things as "debates" any more.  They've devolved into spectacle.


You know how I know you don't know a single thing about history?

Debates have always been spectacle.  That's the point.
 
2020-08-04 1:01:39 PM  
This reminds me of the time Bill Nye was slated to debate Ken Ham. Many in the scientific circles advised against it because it wouldn't serve a useful purpose. Still happened and Bill was great. However, I think if you took Ken Ham, removed about 40 IQ points and painted him orange, that would be about what to expect with a debate with Trump.
 
2020-08-04 1:02:01 PM  
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2020-08-04 1:03:37 PM  
yall have done a great job convincing yourselves that someone not even qualified to handle a televised debate is owed the presidency because ORANGE MAN BAD

there will be non-stop "what is he afraid of?" if there are no debates and Trump will win easily
 
2020-08-04 1:03:39 PM  

HugeMistake: "Never interrupt your enemy while he's in the process of making a mistake".

And Trump is always in the process of making a mistake.


Biden will never get a word in edgewise.
 
2020-08-04 1:04:05 PM  
This talking point has been slowly coming up more in the last few weeks, and I'm pretty sure the ultimate source is GOP projection, trying to make the lack of debates Biden's arrogance and hubris rather than Trump hiding his obvious mental decline (or even just having to defend his own policies to neutral interviewers). The axios interview is proof enough that while a debate may not help Biden, it would hurt Trump, so force him to be the one that cancels in fear.
 
2020-08-04 1:04:19 PM  

ElwoodCuse: yall have done a great job convincing yourselves that someone not even qualified to handle a televised debate is owed the presidency because ORANGE MAN BAD

there will be non-stop "what is he afraid of?" if there are no debates and Trump will win easily


You keep switching sides. Ever notice that?
 
2020-08-04 1:06:57 PM  
It's not a bad move since a debate would give Trump camera time. Denying him an audience is actually pretty smart in some ways.
 
2020-08-04 1:07:01 PM  

RussianPotato: Blathering Idjut: There is no such things as "debates" any more.  They've devolved into spectacle.

You know how I know you don't know a single thing about history?

Debates have always been spectacle.  That's the point.


Insulted by the dumbest guy on Fark, who has the balls to refer to history. 

That's enough Fark for me today.
 
2020-08-04 1:08:07 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: jethroe: Why should he have to prove he's qualified for the job of the most powerful position in the world?

You're not going to get that proof from a debate with Donald Trump.


Trump's not looking to get the job of President.  He already HAS it.  As disgusting as that is, it's the truth.  Biden ought to probably have to prove he's able to take over, and say, PRESENT SOLUTIONS to the dumpster fire Trump will leave behind. You know, so people will vote for him.
 
2020-08-04 1:08:22 PM  

randomscribbles: The axios interview is proof enough that while a debate may not help Biden, it would hurt Trump, so force him to be the one that cancels in fear.


Trump will absolutely demolish Biden because his voters WANT him to be a childish jackass who goes up there and throws shiat everywhere, and hey, guess what Trump is real good at

randomscribbles: Trump hiding his obvious mental decline


yeah it's TRUMP'S obvious mental decline and not the Democrats who have been hiding their candidate for months and letting the media campaign for him
 
2020-08-04 1:08:30 PM  

emtwo: Kuta: PainInTheASP: If the debates aren't held, it will be because the RNC and Team Trump have finally talked some sense into the orange shiatgibbon.  They didn't even want to televise the coronation convention. They know what Biden will do to him and they still have downballot races that they have a chance (small) of winning.  They don't want anything to rock the boat, let alone repeatedly ram it into a goddamn iceberg.

There won't be a debates, but it will be framed by the administration as the leftist Chinavirus being deliberately planted in the dressing room shiaaer by immigrant Antifa or some such.

I don't think either the Dems or Reps want a debate. Neither candidate is at their peak.  Both have serious cognitive deficiencies.  Both are well into their 70s.  They don't want the resulting shiatshow to jeopardize their duopoly on power.

By comparison, doddering Ronald Reagan was a youthful 69 when inaugurated.

Bow down before the one you serve.
You're gonna get what you deserve.

Go fark yourself with your false equivalence and neocon talking points. You have more cognitive deficiencies than Biden does.


Maybe you should actually embrace your candidate for all of his obvious and glaring flaws.

Enjoy the cognitive dissonance. Once you go there, you can be manipulated to support anything.
 
2020-08-04 1:08:59 PM  

ElwoodCuse: yall have done a great job convincing yourselves that someone not even qualified to handle a televised debate is owed the presidency because ORANGE MAN BAD


He's plenty qualified. He did like 10 debates during the primary and was the target of everyone else in most of them.
 
2020-08-04 1:10:05 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: ElwoodCuse: yall have done a great job convincing yourselves that someone not even qualified to handle a televised debate is owed the presidency because ORANGE MAN BAD

He's plenty qualified. He did like 10 debates during the primary and was the target of everyone else in most of them.


great! then he should have no problem doing one with Trump, over video conferencing if necessary
 
2020-08-04 1:10:42 PM  

ElwoodCuse: great! then he should have no problem doing one with Trump, over video conferencing if necessary


Yes, true, correct.
 
2020-08-04 1:10:47 PM  

ElwoodCuse: because ORANGE MAN BAD


Yes, he is bad. Very bad.  It's about damn time you waterheaded redcaps figured that out.
 
2020-08-04 1:10:56 PM  
Don't even waste your time or breath Joe. When they gave you the nomination they gave you my vote.

/Turd Sandwich 2020
 
2020-08-04 1:11:22 PM  

jethroe: HotWingConspiracy: jethroe: Why should he have to prove he's qualified for the job of the most powerful position in the world?

You're not going to get that proof from a debate with Donald Trump.

Trump's not looking to get the job of President.  He already HAS it.  As disgusting as that is, it's the truth.  Biden ought to probably have to prove he's able to take over, and say, PRESENT SOLUTIONS to the dumpster fire Trump will leave behind. You know, so people will vote for him.


Again, a debate isn't really required for any of that.

But I'm of the mind that he should tell Trump that he wants 20 debates, with no audience. Just moderators and tv cameras.
 
2020-08-04 1:12:20 PM  
All he has to do is keep not being trump & he'll win.

Hell i'd vote for a cactus at this point just to get cheeto out of office.
 
2020-08-04 1:13:00 PM  
I guess 'ducking' is what you call not creating COVID-19 vector gatherings and using official press briefings as campaign stops.

Also, I am pleased to see my computer tries to autocorrect 'ducking' the other way now.
 
2020-08-04 1:13:19 PM  
Biden: NOW LISTEN HERE YOU HORSE FACED HAIRY LEGGED SON OF A DOG!"

Trump: "WHARBLEGARBLEITSNOTMYFAULTWHARBLECHIN​AGARBLEFAKENUDES!"

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2020-08-04 1:13:43 PM  

chewd: All he has to do is keep not being trump & he'll win.

Hell i'd vote for a cactus at this point just to get cheeto out of office.


And for VP just Pence and the candidate.
 
2020-08-04 1:15:46 PM  

Nimbull: It's not a bad move since a debate would give Trump camera time. Denying him an audience is actually pretty smart in some ways.


We've had televised debates for 60 years. They must continue because it's the only way a large part of the electorate makes their decisions.

Not holding them is a terrible move. If there are no debates, the incumbent will slam the contender for being a chickenshiat.

It's what the political consultant class would say is the right thing to do because it mostly works.

Of course, what they're really saying, and what too many Farkers don't seem to see, is that they don't want you to see the candidates flaws this time around because they are so glaring.

Trump is no ordinary incumbent. He will make news REGARDLESS of air time. There are millions of non-Dems and non-Reps who only vote in the general election. They HATE Washington DC and will turn out against Biden unless Biden can make a compelling case for change. (Spoilers:  He can't because he isn't.)
 
2020-08-04 1:16:43 PM  

Hickory-smoked: ElwoodCuse: yall have done a great job convincing yourselves that someone not even qualified to handle a televised debate is owed the presidency because ORANGE MAN BAD

there will be non-stop "what is he afraid of?" if there are no debates and Trump will win easily

You keep switching sides. Ever notice that?


No. That would require Elwood to possess a degree of self-reflection that appears to be just beyond their grasp on a good day.
 
2020-08-04 1:16:59 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: ElwoodCuse: yall have done a great job convincing yourselves that someone not even qualified to handle a televised debate is owed the presidency because ORANGE MAN BAD

He's plenty qualified. He did like 10 debates during the primary and was the target of everyone else in most of them.


And he wasn't the best debater, because he was up against some really good debaters. But he also improved markedly after being wrong-footed by the strong attacks on him in the first couple debates, and was perfectly competent 1v1 with Biden.

He'll do fine. He'll laugh at Trump a bunch and call something malarkey and he'll get off a couple prepared zingers.
 
2020-08-04 1:17:46 PM  

freetomato: ElwoodCuse: because ORANGE MAN BAD

Yes, he is bad. Very bad.  It's about damn time you waterheaded redcaps figured that out.


Eh? Is like a cotton-headed ninny-muggin?
 
2020-08-04 1:18:40 PM  
I've never been much on them.

Biden will make Trump look stupid. Dems will be happy.
Trump will call Biden a doodyhead. GOPers will be happy.

Nobody will change their mind.
 
2020-08-04 1:18:52 PM  

Albino Squid: Dusk-You-n-Me: ElwoodCuse: yall have done a great job convincing yourselves that someone not even qualified to handle a televised debate is owed the presidency because ORANGE MAN BAD

He's plenty qualified. He did like 10 debates during the primary and was the target of everyone else in most of them.

And he wasn't the best debater, because he was up against some really good debaters. But he also improved markedly after being wrong-footed by the strong attacks on him in the first couple debates, and was perfectly competent 1v1 with Biden.

He'll do fine. He'll laugh at Trump a bunch and call something malarkey and he'll get off a couple prepared zingers.


Yep. Biden one-liners dripping with sarcasm. That will really draw a lot of disaffected voters who care about economic issues back to the Democratic camp.

/dripping with sarcasm
 
2020-08-04 1:20:52 PM  
Biden is going to appear at the debates, if the Trump people agree to it.  There's no plan by Biden to refuse to debate.  But, go ahead and spread the idea that Biden is afraid, and in cognitive decline, so when he does show up, and shows he is still able to debate, all the mushheads can be properly impressed.  People who only pay attention to politics 2 weeks before the election will probably determine the election, again, so we might as well play into that by using the expectations game.
 
2020-08-04 1:21:07 PM  

Kuta: Yep. Biden one-liners dripping with sarcasm. That will really draw a lot of disaffected voters who care about economic issues back to the Democratic camp.


Works for everyone else.
 
2020-08-04 1:21:09 PM  
Trump is terrified of debating Biden, got it.
 
2020-08-04 1:21:14 PM  

ElwoodCuse: yall have done a great job convincing yourselves that someone not even qualified to handle a televised debate is owed the presidency because ORANGE MAN BAD

there will be non-stop "what is he afraid of?" if there are no debates and Trump will win easily


You do know he used was Vice President for 8 years, has done dozens of debates and is widely considered to have been good at the VP job right?!?!?!

You sure seem to internalize the talking points without ANY critical thought.
 
2020-08-04 1:21:48 PM  
I'm with Thomas Friedman, who wrote a month ago: No debate without the release of tax returns:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/07/op​i​nion/biden-trump-debate.html

The right wingers are already melting down: one that I read yesterday said that Trump should sign an Executive Order mandating at least SIX debates.
 
2020-08-04 1:22:12 PM  
There is no point in debating Trump without real time fact checking.
He lies with every breath.
 
2020-08-04 1:23:06 PM  
At this point Biden will probably just laugh at Trump until he pulls off his wig, causing Trumpy to run off the stage screaming like a little girl.
 
2020-08-04 1:23:07 PM  

ElwoodCuse: TRUMP'S obvious mental decline


Uh yeah. Didn't you see that Axios interview?
 
2020-08-04 1:23:48 PM  

TabASlotB: I've never heard of Disrn before. It looks like it was founded by the the co-founders of the thee satirical Babylon Bee...

Perusing the articles, this is Poeslaw.


Are you implying their blog might create a vacuum and draw things into it?
 
2020-08-04 1:24:05 PM  
Seems like this topic was submitted by an idiotic, butthurt Trumper.

GFY, idiotmitter.
 
2020-08-04 1:24:15 PM  

Kuta: Albino Squid: Dusk-You-n-Me: ElwoodCuse: yall have done a great job convincing yourselves that someone not even qualified to handle a televised debate is owed the presidency because ORANGE MAN BAD

He's plenty qualified. He did like 10 debates during the primary and was the target of everyone else in most of them.

And he wasn't the best debater, because he was up against some really good debaters. But he also improved markedly after being wrong-footed by the strong attacks on him in the first couple debates, and was perfectly competent 1v1 with Biden.

He'll do fine. He'll laugh at Trump a bunch and call something malarkey and he'll get off a couple prepared zingers.

Yep. Biden one-liners dripping with sarcasm. That will really draw a lot of disaffected voters who care about economic issues back to the Democratic camp.

/dripping with sarcasm


True. They would rather hear from someone who wouldn't shut up about them being a veteran.
 
2020-08-04 1:24:47 PM  
Kuta:
Yep. Biden one-liners dripping with sarcasm. That will really draw a lot of disaffected voters who care about economic issues back to the Democratic camp.

/dripping with sarcasm


If you think that debates involve candidates winning based upon the merits of their detailed policy prescriptions, I have some bad news for you.

Know which candidate had probably the strongest debates in the TV era from the standpoint of offering and defending robust policies? Al Gore.

Know what the takeaway from those debates was? That Al Gore lost because he was boring and kept sighing.
 
2020-08-04 1:26:05 PM  
Unpopular Opinion.

Hillary wiped the floor with Trump...

And yet still lost the election.

/Stupid key state people.
 
2020-08-04 1:26:09 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Kuta: Yep. Biden one-liners dripping with sarcasm. That will really draw a lot of disaffected voters who care about economic issues back to the Democratic camp.

Works for everyone else.


no, it works for people who vote *Republican*, because they see two senile apes flinging poop at each other and think hell yeah our ape flung the most poop. people who consider voting democrat see "oh great I'm covered in poop" and don't vote at all
 
2020-08-04 1:29:16 PM  
So which mod turned on the derp signal for the brigade?

Is that what headlines like this are for?

Gotta get them page clicks, call in the contrarians!
 
2020-08-04 1:30:35 PM  

ElwoodCuse: no, it works for people who vote *Republican*, because they see two senile apes flinging poop at each other and think hell yeah our ape flung the most poop. people who consider voting democrat see "oh great I'm covered in poop" and don't vote at all


Because you say so? lol. Dude a candidate cracking an occasional joke has happened in like every damn debate ever. It never decided an election. Calm down.
 
2020-08-04 1:30:36 PM  
I think he should skip.  He has little to gain and much to lose.  No Trumper is going to be convinced to vote for Biden no matter how bad Trump looks.  Meanwhile, Biden even meeting with Trump gives Trump an air of legitimacy that he literally and figuratively hasn't earned.  It's exactly like Trump meeting w/ Kim.
 
2020-08-04 1:30:41 PM  
There's almost no way that Biden can "lose" the debates. And almost no way Trump can "win" them. Look at the interview with swan, or the one he did with fox not too long ago. Trump doesn't have anything to run on and he can't answer simple questions, even to deflect them.

Biden should be acting like the debates are the best thing in the world. He should be demanding more. Asking for tougher moderators. Begging for wider audiences. Trump's going to either fold and back out on his own, or he's going to embarrass himself. Biden just needs to let it happen.
 
2020-08-04 1:32:13 PM  

willwall: There's almost no way that Biden can "lose" the debates. And almost no way Trump can "win" them. Look at the interview with swan, or the one he did with fox not too long ago. Trump doesn't have anything to run on and he can't answer simple questions, even to deflect them.

Biden should be acting like the debates are the best thing in the world. He should be demanding more. Asking for tougher moderators. Begging for wider audiences. Trump's going to either fold and back out on his own, or he's going to embarrass himself. Biden just needs to let it happen.


Has Biden actually resisted debating or is this just Trump projecting?
 
2020-08-04 1:32:51 PM  
Didn't he wipe the floor with Palin?
She's almost as moronic as Trump.
 
2020-08-04 1:33:00 PM  
Submitter, your blog is not good, and you should not feel good.
 
2020-08-04 1:33:58 PM  
He could also make a not-at-all-subtle dig and say, "You know, it's not like me to kick someone when he's down. So I think the most gracious thing is to not have debates."
 
2020-08-04 1:34:15 PM  

Tomahawk513: I think he should skip.  He has little to gain and much to lose.  No Trumper is going to be convinced to vote for Biden no matter how bad Trump looks.  Meanwhile, Biden even meeting with Trump gives Trump an air of legitimacy that he literally and figuratively hasn't earned.  It's exactly like Trump meeting w/ Kim.


Biden backing out gives Trump the argument that he's old, he's weak, he's afraid of Trump, he knows he'll be beat. And it walks in to Trump's plans. Trump doesn't want this debate. If he doesn't want it Biden should.
 
2020-08-04 1:34:47 PM  

RussianPotato: If Biden doesn't debate that's a quick road to him losing.


I'll agree with you there.  Trump, however, has set the bar so low that if he can literally crawl on stage, shiat himself, throw a bible at a nun, and slither offstage, his voters will try to call it a win. Biden could stand on stage, recite Tostoy works backwards while simultaneously solving world peace and re-publican conservatives would try to call him senile.
 
2020-08-04 1:35:05 PM  
I kind of agree that the debates haven't really been a useful tool lately, but I'd have to think that Biden would want to debate Trump.  As he showed with his debate performances against Palin and Ryan, putting vacuous idiots who think they're God's gift to America in their plate is his strong suit.
 
2020-08-04 1:35:13 PM  

RussianPotato: Devolving_Spud: Is there a reason to debate?  Trump doesn't debate, he just spouts talking points, lies, and assorted word salad.  Look at the recent Swan interview, where he can barely be kept on topic.  It's not worth debating him.

Biden should do what he does; keep speaking publicly to the issues at hand, and stressing solutions instead of rhetoric.

If Biden doesn't debate that's a quick road to him losing.

Rick Scott barely beat that senile old astronaut in Florida's senate race.  And that only happened because of the vicious attack ads against the senile old astronaut, who really needed to be put out to pasture.  A refusal to debate means Biden is going to be viewed as weak (the worst), old, senile, and scared.  That's not a good look for a presidential candidate.


'Weak, old, senile, and scared is a bad look for a presidential candidate' says the Trump supporter
 
2020-08-04 1:35:27 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Kuta: Albino Squid: Dusk-You-n-Me: ElwoodCuse: yall have done a great job convincing yourselves that someone not even qualified to handle a televised debate is owed the presidency because ORANGE MAN BAD

He's plenty qualified. He did like 10 debates during the primary and was the target of everyone else in most of them.

And he wasn't the best debater, because he was up against some really good debaters. But he also improved markedly after being wrong-footed by the strong attacks on him in the first couple debates, and was perfectly competent 1v1 with Biden.

He'll do fine. He'll laugh at Trump a bunch and call something malarkey and he'll get off a couple prepared zingers.

Yep. Biden one-liners dripping with sarcasm. That will really draw a lot of disaffected voters who care about economic issues back to the Democratic camp.

/dripping with sarcasm

True. They would rather hear from someone who wouldn't shut up about them being a veteran.


If Sleepy Joe wants my vote, there's an imminently qualified female PoC who ran for POTUS who is available for the job.

Difficulty: Not Kamala Harris.
 
2020-08-04 1:35:51 PM  

Kuta: Albino Squid: Dusk-You-n-Me: ElwoodCuse: yall have done a great job convincing yourselves that someone not even qualified to handle a televised debate is owed the presidency because ORANGE MAN BAD

He's plenty qualified. He did like 10 debates during the primary and was the target of everyone else in most of them.

And he wasn't the best debater, because he was up against some really good debaters. But he also improved markedly after being wrong-footed by the strong attacks on him in the first couple debates, and was perfectly competent 1v1 with Biden.

He'll do fine. He'll laugh at Trump a bunch and call something malarkey and he'll get off a couple prepared zingers.

Yep. Biden one-liners dripping with sarcasm. That will really draw a lot of disaffected voters who care about economic issues back to the Democratic camp.

/dripping with sarcasm


You have far too much concern for a fictional voting bloc.
 
2020-08-04 1:36:04 PM  

chewd: All he has to do is keep not being trump & he'll win.

Hell i'd vote for a cactus at this point just to get cheeto out of office.


don't do what Donny Dont does
 
2020-08-04 1:36:31 PM  

Kuta: Mrtraveler01: Kuta: Albino Squid: Dusk-You-n-Me: ElwoodCuse: yall have done a great job convincing yourselves that someone not even qualified to handle a televised debate is owed the presidency because ORANGE MAN BAD

He's plenty qualified. He did like 10 debates during the primary and was the target of everyone else in most of them.

And he wasn't the best debater, because he was up against some really good debaters. But he also improved markedly after being wrong-footed by the strong attacks on him in the first couple debates, and was perfectly competent 1v1 with Biden.

He'll do fine. He'll laugh at Trump a bunch and call something malarkey and he'll get off a couple prepared zingers.

Yep. Biden one-liners dripping with sarcasm. That will really draw a lot of disaffected voters who care about economic issues back to the Democratic camp.

/dripping with sarcasm

True. They would rather hear from someone who wouldn't shut up about them being a veteran.

If Sleepy Joe wants my vote, there's an imminently qualified female PoC who ran for POTUS who is available for the job.

Difficulty: Not Kamala Harris.


Padma Lakshmi?
 
2020-08-04 1:37:26 PM  

Mrtraveler01: willwall: There's almost no way that Biden can "lose" the debates. And almost no way Trump can "win" them. Look at the interview with swan, or the one he did with fox not too long ago. Trump doesn't have anything to run on and he can't answer simple questions, even to deflect them.

Biden should be acting like the debates are the best thing in the world. He should be demanding more. Asking for tougher moderators. Begging for wider audiences. Trump's going to either fold and back out on his own, or he's going to embarrass himself. Biden just needs to let it happen.

Has Biden actually resisted debating or is this just Trump projecting?


I think this is more fear that things are going too good for Biden and 2020 will find a way to fark it up.

I haven't heard anything about this from biden's camp. I'd expect that even if they'd rather not do them all they have to do is wait for Trump to cancel.
 
2020-08-04 1:37:38 PM  

willwall: There's almost no way that Biden can "lose" the debates. And almost no way Trump can "win" them. Look at the interview with swan, or the one he did with fox not too long ago. Trump doesn't have anything to run on and he can't answer simple questions, even to deflect them.

Biden should be acting like the debates are the best thing in the world. He should be demanding more. Asking for tougher moderators. Begging for wider audiences. Trump's going to either fold and back out on his own, or he's going to embarrass himself. Biden just needs to let it happen.


Then everyone should be asking themselves....

"WHY THE FARK IS THE BIDEN CAMP SEEMINGLY ANTI-DEBATE?"
(Spoiler: Because he won't do well in them. Remember what happened to Hillary in 2016?")
 
2020-08-04 1:39:02 PM  

emtwo: Kuta: Albino Squid: Dusk-You-n-Me: ElwoodCuse: yall have done a great job convincing yourselves that someone not even qualified to handle a televised debate is owed the presidency because ORANGE MAN BAD

He's plenty qualified. He did like 10 debates during the primary and was the target of everyone else in most of them.

And he wasn't the best debater, because he was up against some really good debaters. But he also improved markedly after being wrong-footed by the strong attacks on him in the first couple debates, and was perfectly competent 1v1 with Biden.

He'll do fine. He'll laugh at Trump a bunch and call something malarkey and he'll get off a couple prepared zingers.

Yep. Biden one-liners dripping with sarcasm. That will really draw a lot of disaffected voters who care about economic issues back to the Democratic camp.

/dripping with sarcasm

You have far too much concern for a fictional voting bloc.


Deplorables never vote.

Until they're called out and then it's "the biggest fark you in history" (to quote Michael Moore).
 
2020-08-04 1:40:33 PM  

Kuta: Then everyone should be asking themselves....

"WHY THE FARK IS THE BIDEN CAMP SEEMINGLY ANTI-DEBATE?"


Is there any evidence that this is true?
 
2020-08-04 1:40:44 PM  

propasaurus: RussianPotato: Devolving_Spud: Is there a reason to debate?  Trump doesn't debate, he just spouts talking points, lies, and assorted word salad.  Look at the recent Swan interview, where he can barely be kept on topic.  It's not worth debating him.

Biden should do what he does; keep speaking publicly to the issues at hand, and stressing solutions instead of rhetoric.

If Biden doesn't debate that's a quick road to him losing.

Rick Scott barely beat that senile old astronaut in Florida's senate race.  And that only happened because of the vicious attack ads against the senile old astronaut, who really needed to be put out to pasture.  A refusal to debate means Biden is going to be viewed as weak (the worst), old, senile, and scared.  That's not a good look for a presidential candidate.

'Weak, old, senile, and scared is a bad look for a presidential candidate' says the Trump supporter


Trump is many bad things, but he knows how to project a false aura of strength, vigor, and bravery to his base. Joe doesn't have that charisma.
 
2020-08-04 1:41:17 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Kuta: Then everyone should be asking themselves....

"WHY THE FARK IS THE BIDEN CAMP SEEMINGLY ANTI-DEBATE?"

Is there any evidence that this is true?


All the evidence presented is in the fark headline. ;)
 
2020-08-04 1:41:38 PM  

Kuta: emtwo: Kuta: Albino Squid: Dusk-You-n-Me: ElwoodCuse: yall have done a great job convincing yourselves that someone not even qualified to handle a televised debate is owed the presidency because ORANGE MAN BAD

He's plenty qualified. He did like 10 debates during the primary and was the target of everyone else in most of them.

And he wasn't the best debater, because he was up against some really good debaters. But he also improved markedly after being wrong-footed by the strong attacks on him in the first couple debates, and was perfectly competent 1v1 with Biden.

He'll do fine. He'll laugh at Trump a bunch and call something malarkey and he'll get off a couple prepared zingers.

Yep. Biden one-liners dripping with sarcasm. That will really draw a lot of disaffected voters who care about economic issues back to the Democratic camp.

/dripping with sarcasm

You have far too much concern for a fictional voting bloc.

Deplorables never vote.

Until they're called out and then it's "the biggest fark you in history" (to quote Michael Moore).


wat?
 
2020-08-04 1:43:41 PM  

Kuta: Trump is many bad things, but he knows how to project a false aura of strength, vigor, and bravery to his base.


You can't be a real person.
 
2020-08-04 1:46:50 PM  

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My username checks out and I approve this message.
 
2020-08-04 1:47:30 PM  

emtwo: Kuta: emtwo: Kuta: Albino Squid: Dusk-You-n-Me: ElwoodCuse: yall have done a great job convincing yourselves that someone not even qualified to handle a televised debate is owed the presidency because ORANGE MAN BAD

He's plenty qualified. He did like 10 debates during the primary and was the target of everyone else in most of them.

And he wasn't the best debater, because he was up against some really good debaters. But he also improved markedly after being wrong-footed by the strong attacks on him in the first couple debates, and was perfectly competent 1v1 with Biden.

He'll do fine. He'll laugh at Trump a bunch and call something malarkey and he'll get off a couple prepared zingers.

Yep. Biden one-liners dripping with sarcasm. That will really draw a lot of disaffected voters who care about economic issues back to the Democratic camp.

/dripping with sarcasm

You have far too much concern for a fictional voting bloc.

Deplorables never vote.

Until they're called out and then it's "the biggest fark you in history" (to quote Michael Moore).

wat?


Ok Poster Child.

Democrats will never learn.

This is OLD NEWS.

Hillary Clinton wrote a book What Happened(?) because she didn't have a clue why she lost. Still doesn't.

Michael Moore KNEW that Trump was gonna win, and told Dems they needed to fix their tactics fast in 2016. They didn't.

Why Trump Will Win - Michael Moore Explains
Youtube vMm5HfxNXY4
 
2020-08-04 1:50:13 PM  

anjin-san: The fact that there won't be a live audience should have a significant impact on any debate style that is more about the show than the substance.


My thought too, no audience will play poorly with trump.  He feeds on that and plays with it.  Watch him being interviewed vs him in front of a crowd.  He is worse if no one is watching
 
2020-08-04 1:52:54 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Kuta: Mrtraveler01: Kuta: Albino Squid: Dusk-You-n-Me: ElwoodCuse: yall have done a great job convincing yourselves that someone not even qualified to handle a televised debate is owed the presidency because ORANGE MAN BAD

He's plenty qualified. He did like 10 debates during the primary and was the target of everyone else in most of them.

And he wasn't the best debater, because he was up against some really good debaters. But he also improved markedly after being wrong-footed by the strong attacks on him in the first couple debates, and was perfectly competent 1v1 with Biden.

He'll do fine. He'll laugh at Trump a bunch and call something malarkey and he'll get off a couple prepared zingers.

Yep. Biden one-liners dripping with sarcasm. That will really draw a lot of disaffected voters who care about economic issues back to the Democratic camp.

/dripping with sarcasm

True. They would rather hear from someone who wouldn't shut up about them being a veteran.

If Sleepy Joe wants my vote, there's an imminently qualified female PoC who ran for POTUS who is available for the job.

Difficulty: Not Kamala Harris.

Padma Lakshmi?


I would vote for padma.

Smart, amazing personality, and super gorgeous.

Oh and an amazing humanitarian.

She is just good people. Thanks for making me think about her for a second, makes the day brighter.
 
2020-08-04 1:53:21 PM  

Hickory-smoked: HugeMistake: "Never interrupt your enemy while he's in the process of making a mistake".

And Trump is always in the process of making a mistake.

Biden will never get a word in edgewise.


If Trump has his way, he'll debate Biden so long as Biden is tied into a chair with a gag so that Trump can bloviate for the entire 'debate'.
 
2020-08-04 1:54:49 PM  
Every time Trump speaks, reply with "That's (x) lies, with a total of (y + x) so far." For the entire debate, just keep pointing out he's lying and the running total. When Biden is asked a question, give the rehearsed message, let Trump reply, and keep saying, "That's (x) more lies. (y + x) lies so far."

Trump will stroke out before the debate ends.
 
2020-08-04 1:54:59 PM  
Trump won't cancel the debates (although he should)
Look at the Axios interview with Swan. If he Han an ounce of self awareness he would never have agreed to that sit down. But he did. And Swan left a Trump colored smear on the West Wing carpet. But! Trump thinks he won! He thinks he came off looking great.
 
2020-08-04 1:56:40 PM  
Trump: "I am the best President. If you vote for Joe Biden you hate America."

Joe Biden: "That's not true and it's a stupid thing to say."

Moderator: "Mr. Vice-President, please keep a sense of decorum! Now, sir, your question: some people say COVID-19 is a demonic hoax while others say that it was created by Bill Gates. Which of these sources do you think is the correct one?"
 
2020-08-04 2:02:25 PM  

Kuta: PainInTheASP: If the debates aren't held, it will be because the RNC and Team Trump have finally talked some sense into the orange shiatgibbon.  They didn't even want to televise the coronation convention. They know what Biden will do to him and they still have downballot races that they have a chance (small) of winning.  They don't want anything to rock the boat, let alone repeatedly ram it into a goddamn iceberg.

There won't be a debates, but it will be framed by the administration as the leftist Chinavirus being deliberately planted in the dressing room shiaaer by immigrant Antifa or some such.

I don't think either the Dems or Reps want a debate. Neither candidate is at their peak.  Both have serious cognitive deficiencies.  Both are well into their 70s.  They don't want the resulting shiatshow to jeopardize their duopoly on power.

By comparison, doddering Ronald Reagan was a youthful 69 when inaugurated.

Bow down before the one you serve.
You're gonna get what you deserve.


Gabbard would have wiped the floor with both of them before surfing away on a killer wave.
 
2020-08-04 2:06:28 PM  
The Russian bots are out in full force in this one. Look at all the excuses being given on the assumption that Biden feels too inadequate towards Trump to even debate him. Might be best to follow his lead and retreat.
 
2020-08-04 2:09:09 PM  

Kuta: emtwo: Kuta: emtwo: Kuta: Albino Squid: Dusk-You-n-Me: ElwoodCuse: yall have done a great job convincing yourselves that someone not even qualified to handle a televised debate is owed the presidency because ORANGE MAN BAD

He's plenty qualified. He did like 10 debates during the primary and was the target of everyone else in most of them.

And he wasn't the best debater, because he was up against some really good debaters. But he also improved markedly after being wrong-footed by the strong attacks on him in the first couple debates, and was perfectly competent 1v1 with Biden.

He'll do fine. He'll laugh at Trump a bunch and call something malarkey and he'll get off a couple prepared zingers.

Yep. Biden one-liners dripping with sarcasm. That will really draw a lot of disaffected voters who care about economic issues back to the Democratic camp.

/dripping with sarcasm

You have far too much concern for a fictional voting bloc.

Deplorables never vote.

Until they're called out and then it's "the biggest fark you in history" (to quote Michael Moore).

wat?

Ok Poster Child.

Democrats will never learn.

This is OLD NEWS.

Hillary Clinton wrote a book What Happened(?) because she didn't have a clue why she lost. Still doesn't.

Michael Moore KNEW that Trump was gonna win, and told Dems they needed to fix their tactics fast in 2016. They didn't.

[YouTube video: Why Trump Will Win - Michael Moore Explains]


Why bother replying to me if you're just going to spout bullshiat that's completely disconnected from what I wrote?
 
2020-08-04 2:13:20 PM  
Biden is afraid to debate Trump, or he's not sure what a debate is about.
 
2020-08-04 2:25:41 PM  
I don't need to see them debate, and certainly not three times. At this point I can accurately predict how Trump is going to behave and what he's going to say. I don't want to hear his bullshiat anymore.
 
2020-08-04 2:25:53 PM  
In June 2020, the Trump campaign requested the commission organize a fourth debate since some vote-by-mail ballots could be sent prior to the first debate. In a phone call with Frank Fahrenkopf, the co-chair of the commission, Trump campaign manager Brad Parscale said, "We want fair debates. We want them sooner and we want a bigger schedule. We also don't want them up against football games competing for viewers."[

The Trump campaign also requested that both campaigns be permitted to select and veto moderators.

The Biden campaign responded in a letter to the commission, "Our position is straightforward and clear: Biden will accept the Commission's debates, on the Commission's dates, under the Commission's established format and the Commission's independent choice of moderators." Biden campaign manager Jennifer O'Malley Dillon called the request a distraction.

https://ballotpedia.org/Presidential_​d​ebates,_2020
 
2020-08-04 2:29:09 PM  

emtwo: Kuta: emtwo: Kuta: emtwo: Kuta: Albino Squid: Dusk-You-n-Me: ElwoodCuse: yall have done a great job convincing yourselves that someone not even qualified to handle a televised debate is owed the presidency because ORANGE MAN BAD

He's plenty qualified. He did like 10 debates during the primary and was the target of everyone else in most of them.

And he wasn't the best debater, because he was up against some really good debaters. But he also improved markedly after being wrong-footed by the strong attacks on him in the first couple debates, and was perfectly competent 1v1 with Biden.

He'll do fine. He'll laugh at Trump a bunch and call something malarkey and he'll get off a couple prepared zingers.

Yep. Biden one-liners dripping with sarcasm. That will really draw a lot of disaffected voters who care about economic issues back to the Democratic camp.

/dripping with sarcasm

You have far too much concern for a fictional voting bloc.

Deplorables never vote.

Until they're called out and then it's "the biggest fark you in history" (to quote Michael Moore).

wat?

Ok Poster Child.

Democrats will never learn.

This is OLD NEWS.

Hillary Clinton wrote a book What Happened(?) because she didn't have a clue why she lost. Still doesn't.

Michael Moore KNEW that Trump was gonna win, and told Dems they needed to fix their tactics fast in 2016. They didn't.

[YouTube video: Why Trump Will Win - Michael Moore Explains]

Why bother replying to me if you're just going to spout bullshiat that's completely disconnected from what I wrote?


It's completely connected.  Watch the video and learn why.
 
2020-08-04 2:34:24 PM  

Kuta: It's completely connected.  Watch the video and learn why.


They won't watch the video because it will challenge their propaganda-fueled beliefs.

Just like they won't watch this one.

Hillary's Loss Makes Perfect Sense After Hearing This Man Speak
Youtube -jjrSWCgJus
 
2020-08-04 2:47:35 PM  

nijika: If I was a bettin' man I'd guess Trump is going to scream "Why won't Biden debate me??" about once a week going forward, but Team Trumpwaffen will never agree to *any* debate terms.  And then it'll be "Biden won't schedule a reasonable debate with me!!"


That's my bet as well, and I don't think Biden will mind much. Personally, while I want to see a VP debate, I don't really care to watch a Biden/trump discussion. It's just an exposition game, generating endless obsession over every Biden gaffe and trump lie, with zero effect on the final vote.
 
2020-08-04 2:50:29 PM  

Unscratchable_Itch: I don't need to see them debate, and certainly not three times. At this point I can accurately predict how Trump is going to behave and what he's going to say. I don't want to hear his bullshiat anymore.


that's nice. tens of millions of other people think otherwise
 
2020-08-04 2:52:11 PM  
There continues to be chatter about Joe Biden not wanting to participate in debates.

His campaign committed in writing to the three presidential debates sponsored by the Commission on Presidential Debates. As we reported in June: https://t.co/EV9alUjtQi pic.twitter.com/2D1jsyxJDU

- Matt Viser (@mviser) August 4, 2020
 
2020-08-04 2:56:59 PM  

phygz: Kuta: It's completely connected.  Watch the video and learn why.

They won't watch the video because it will challenge their propaganda-fueled beliefs.

Just like they won't watch this one.

[YouTube video: Hillary's Loss Makes Perfect Sense After Hearing This Man Speak]


Because people are idiots and they listen to the two bigger idiots in those videos? That's the reason?
 
2020-08-04 3:10:31 PM  

emtwo: phygz: Kuta: It's completely connected.  Watch the video and learn why.

They won't watch the video because it will challenge their propaganda-fueled beliefs.

Just like they won't watch this one.

[YouTube video: Hillary's Loss Makes Perfect Sense After Hearing This Man Speak]

Because people are idiots and they listen to the two bigger idiots in those videos? That's the reason?


Yes. Yes, that's exactly why.
 
2020-08-04 3:13:22 PM  

Albino Squid: After all three debates is 2016, Clinton's numbers jumped, because Trump looked like an absolute psycho throughout. All Biden needs to do is beat the extremely low expectations the Trump campaign has set by claiming that Biden is essentially mashed potato in a Brooks Brothers suit, and make a lot of "can you believe this shiat?" faces, which is one of Biden's strong suits.


Yeah, it was amazing to see. Then between and after the debates, her numbers dropped as people saw her in isolation and went "meh" or even "yech". She was a terrible candidate. She was the best choice in the general election by an unfathomable degree and I have permanently lost respect for any and all Trump voters. But she lost to a known sexual predator, business failure, malignant narcissist, and overall moron. He was the second worst candidate in history. She lost to him, making her #1.
 
2020-08-04 3:55:47 PM  
Biden gains nothing by debating trump.  Trumpets always twist whatever Biden says to make him look bad.  No matter what it is.
 
2020-08-04 4:07:49 PM  
Its going to be weird for there to be a President you can mostly believe again.  Like on factual stuff, a person which will say the truth instead of making stuff up.  It will take some getting use to.
 
2020-08-04 4:16:27 PM  
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2020-08-04 4:22:19 PM  
He should not dignify President Useless Asshole with a "debate."

He probably will, though. (shrug)

I think it's a waste of time, but maybe Joe will salvage something out of it. Still not watching. I'll catch the highlight reel the morning after.
 
2020-08-04 4:33:03 PM  

mrshowrules: Its going to be weird for there to be a President you can mostly believe again.  Like on factual stuff, a person which will say the truth instead of making stuff up.  It will take some getting use to.


We're going through that in WI here when Evers took over.  It's been kind of nice, not having a flaming moron in the governor's chair, just getting smart stuff done and staying out of the headlines...now if we can just do something about RJ...oh...wait...we can...in Nov.
 
2020-08-04 4:37:05 PM  
"Oh, please Mr. Trump.  Don't throw me in that briar patch"
 
2020-08-04 4:54:58 PM  

phygz: emtwo: phygz: Kuta: It's completely connected.  Watch the video and learn why.

They won't watch the video because it will challenge their propaganda-fueled beliefs.

Just like they won't watch this one.

[YouTube video: Hillary's Loss Makes Perfect Sense After Hearing This Man Speak]

Because people are idiots and they listen to the two bigger idiots in those videos? That's the reason?

Yes. Yes, that's exactly why.


"That's why Trump won," is just the new fill-in-the-blank canard. It simply replaces, "Thanks, Obama!" Our country is awash with ignorant hacks who love to proclaim thay [insert personal grievance here] is why Trump won.

Can't get those tough stains out of your linens? That's why Trump won! Gas station on the corner won't take food stamps? That's why Trump won! Underpaid cashier at Starbucks accidentally gave you the wrong drink? You best believe that's why Trump won!, and also I'd like to speak to the manager!

At least a third of our nation thought Trump had a pretty good chance to win, and none of them are Nostradamus. They don't have any special insight or powers of prognostication. Hundreds of millions of us made guesses, and some of those guesses were going to be right either way.

The guy in the video that you linked literally says that people voted for Trump because they understand that immigrants and immigration are good things, and not problems for America. He says this about the most xenophobic and anti-immigrant American politician since Strom Thurmond died. It's so farking pants-on-head crazy. That's the guy you think I should be listening to for political savvy?
 
2020-08-04 4:57:48 PM  

jimmydageek: Albino Squid: After all three debates is 2016, Clinton's numbers jumped, because Trump looked like an absolute psycho throughout. All Biden needs to do is beat the extremely low expectations the Trump campaign has set by claiming that Biden is essentially mashed potato in a Brooks Brothers suit, and make a lot of "can you believe this shiat?" faces, which is one of Biden's strong suits.

Yeah, it was amazing to see. Then between and after the debates, her numbers dropped as people saw her in isolation and went "meh" or even "yech". She was a terrible candidate. She was the best choice in the general election by an unfathomable degree and I have permanently lost respect for any and all Trump voters. But she lost to a known sexual predator, business failure, malignant narcissist, and overall moron. He was the second worst candidate in history. She lost to him, making her #1.


What a doughy pantload of horseshiat. Clinton's not responsible for American stupidity or centuries of misogyny.
 
2020-08-04 5:02:42 PM  

emtwo: That's the guy you think I should be listening to for political savvy?


No, that's a guy Hillary called "deplorable" and his views are just as valid as yours or mine.
 
2020-08-04 5:05:05 PM  

phygz: emtwo: That's the guy you think I should be listening to for political savvy?

No, that's a guy Hillary called "deplorable" and his views are just as valid as yours or mine.


You're going to have to spell out what you mean by "valid," in this context. Do you also think flat-earthers and anti-vaxxers have "valid" views?
 
2020-08-04 5:21:27 PM  

emtwo: phygz: emtwo: That's the guy you think I should be listening to for political savvy?

No, that's a guy Hillary called "deplorable" and his views are just as valid as yours or mine.

You're going to have to spell out what you mean by "valid," in this context. Do you also think flat-earthers and anti-vaxxers have "valid" views?


Don't be stupid.
 
2020-08-04 5:24:20 PM  
Debates are the opening for the underdog. Traditionally, the incumbent is not the underdog, but is obliged to debate as he or she is in the position of power.

With Trump and Biden, that's inverted, and Trump is still loathe to debate Biden unless he can get some pre-conditional advantage on the debate field. Trump lost the debates against Clinton, but won over his supporters anyway because of both the lurid spectacle, and their built-in dislike of HRC. Trump no longer has those advantages with his base. He's been a lurid spectacle for four years running, and there isn't any dislike of Biden other than the generic dislike of Democrats.

For all the "verbal gaffes" Biden is touted as uttering, he's also quite good at citing specific policy and has also been a pretty able debater, regardless. He is mostly unflappable (unless you veer into the malarky zone), and can rip his opponents at key moments. Trump would be at a big disadvantage debating Biden, but winning doesn't net Biden much. In this case, there's downside for both parties. A lackluster Biden performance could allow Trump to pull closer, and Trump will probably be his usual terrible self.

Expect Trump not to agree to any debates without disadvantaging pre-conditions, and then tout that Biden is afraid to face him.
 
2020-08-04 5:35:34 PM  

anjin-san: The fact that there won't be a live audience should have a significant impact on any debate style that is more about the show than the substance.


Isn't Trump going to get at least an applause track and a laugh track, and a boo track for Joe Biden?  How can you expect him to debate somebody without them?
 
2020-08-04 5:38:36 PM  
"Being that Joe Biden has ducked most of his presidential campaign so far..."

When I see a sentence start with "Being that" instead of "Since," or "Because," my estimate of the writer's IQ drops about 20 points.
 
2020-08-04 5:41:35 PM  

Kuta: Dusk-You-n-Me: Kuta: Then everyone should be asking themselves....

"WHY THE FARK IS THE BIDEN CAMP SEEMINGLY ANTI-DEBATE?"

Is there any evidence that this is true?

All the evidence presented is in the fark headline. ;)


No, dumbmitter. Where is the actual evidence that the Biden campaign or Biden himself in Anti-debate. An Op-Ed commenting on another Op-Ed isn't the official or even unofficial stance of Biden or the Biden Campaign.
 
2020-08-04 5:45:11 PM  

phygz: emtwo: That's the guy you think I should be listening to for political savvy?

No, that's a guy Hillary called "deplorable" and his views are just as valid as yours or mine.


So you are here to normalize trump followers?

Get a better hobby.
 
2020-08-04 5:46:23 PM  

emtwo: That's the guy you think I should be listening to for political savvy?


Apparently you need to, because you still don't understand why Hillary lost.
 
2020-08-04 5:47:41 PM  

emtwo: jimmydageek: Albino Squid: After all three debates is 2016, Clinton's numbers jumped, because Trump looked like an absolute psycho throughout. All Biden needs to do is beat the extremely low expectations the Trump campaign has set by claiming that Biden is essentially mashed potato in a Brooks Brothers suit, and make a lot of "can you believe this shiat?" faces, which is one of Biden's strong suits.

Yeah, it was amazing to see. Then between and after the debates, her numbers dropped as people saw her in isolation and went "meh" or even "yech". She was a terrible candidate. She was the best choice in the general election by an unfathomable degree and I have permanently lost respect for any and all Trump voters. But she lost to a known sexual predator, business failure, malignant narcissist, and overall moron. He was the second worst candidate in history. She lost to him, making her #1.

What a doughy pantload of horseshiat. Clinton's not responsible for American stupidity or centuries of misogyny.


Only if you believe that American stupidity and centuries of misogyny were the sole causes of her losing to Trump.

Spoiler:  They weren't.
 
2020-08-04 5:48:17 PM  

phygz: emtwo: phygz: emtwo: That's the guy you think I should be listening to for political savvy?

No, that's a guy Hillary called "deplorable" and his views are just as valid as yours or mine.

You're going to have to spell out what you mean by "valid," in this context. Do you also think flat-earthers and anti-vaxxers have "valid" views?

Don't be stupid.


I would never take your job!

Seriously though, your fatuous personal insult is not an answer to the question. What makes this dunce's viewpoint "valid?" What is it that you consider validity to be?
 
2020-08-04 5:49:32 PM  

phygz: emtwo: phygz: emtwo: That's the guy you think I should be listening to for political savvy?

No, that's a guy Hillary called "deplorable" and his views are just as valid as yours or mine.

You're going to have to spell out what you mean by "valid," in this context. Do you also think flat-earthers and anti-vaxxers have "valid" views?

Don't be stupid.


emtwo can't discern between opinion and fact, and yet he calls out 'flat-earthers' and 'anti-vaxxers'.
 
2020-08-04 5:50:08 PM  

Kuta: emtwo: jimmydageek: Albino Squid: After all three debates is 2016, Clinton's numbers jumped, because Trump looked like an absolute psycho throughout. All Biden needs to do is beat the extremely low expectations the Trump campaign has set by claiming that Biden is essentially mashed potato in a Brooks Brothers suit, and make a lot of "can you believe this shiat?" faces, which is one of Biden's strong suits.

Yeah, it was amazing to see. Then between and after the debates, her numbers dropped as people saw her in isolation and went "meh" or even "yech". She was a terrible candidate. She was the best choice in the general election by an unfathomable degree and I have permanently lost respect for any and all Trump voters. But she lost to a known sexual predator, business failure, malignant narcissist, and overall moron. He was the second worst candidate in history. She lost to him, making her #1.

What a doughy pantload of horseshiat. Clinton's not responsible for American stupidity or centuries of misogyny.

Only if you believe that American stupidity and centuries of misogyny were the sole causes of her losing to Trump.

Spoiler:  They weren't.


Spoiler: There can't be more than one sole cause, so of course I don't think that multiple reasons are the "sole causes" of her loss.

They were simply, by a giant margin, the most significant and determinative causes.
 
2020-08-04 5:54:01 PM  
JohnnyApocalypse: ...and there isn't any dislike of Biden other than the generic dislike of Democrats.

I vehemently disagree with you there.

Because of his association with Obama, GOP voters despise him. He's almost as bad as Hillary Clinton in their eyes.

Do not fool yourself. The "generic dislike of Democrats" is a way to soften the palpable anger progressives hold toward Biden.
 
2020-08-04 5:56:34 PM  

emtwo: Kuta: emtwo: jimmydageek: Albino Squid: After all three debates is 2016, Clinton's numbers jumped, because Trump looked like an absolute psycho throughout. All Biden needs to do is beat the extremely low expectations the Trump campaign has set by claiming that Biden is essentially mashed potato in a Brooks Brothers suit, and make a lot of "can you believe this shiat?" faces, which is one of Biden's strong suits.

Yeah, it was amazing to see. Then between and after the debates, her numbers dropped as people saw her in isolation and went "meh" or even "yech". She was a terrible candidate. She was the best choice in the general election by an unfathomable degree and I have permanently lost respect for any and all Trump voters. But she lost to a known sexual predator, business failure, malignant narcissist, and overall moron. He was the second worst candidate in history. She lost to him, making her #1.

What a doughy pantload of horseshiat. Clinton's not responsible for American stupidity or centuries of misogyny.

Only if you believe that American stupidity and centuries of misogyny were the sole causes of her losing to Trump.

Spoiler:  They weren't.

Spoiler: There can't be more than one sole cause, so of course I don't think that multiple reasons are the "sole causes" of her loss.

They were simply, by a giant margin, the most significant and determinative causes.


Then maybe you should explore the OTHER reasons which were second tier and still could have turned the tide if Democrats had bothered to address them.  Watch the videos....I dare you.
 
2020-08-04 6:02:08 PM  

Kuta: emtwo: Kuta: emtwo: jimmydageek: Albino Squid: After all three debates is 2016, Clinton's numbers jumped, because Trump looked like an absolute psycho throughout. All Biden needs to do is beat the extremely low expectations the Trump campaign has set by claiming that Biden is essentially mashed potato in a Brooks Brothers suit, and make a lot of "can you believe this shiat?" faces, which is one of Biden's strong suits.

Yeah, it was amazing to see. Then between and after the debates, her numbers dropped as people saw her in isolation and went "meh" or even "yech". She was a terrible candidate. She was the best choice in the general election by an unfathomable degree and I have permanently lost respect for any and all Trump voters. But she lost to a known sexual predator, business failure, malignant narcissist, and overall moron. He was the second worst candidate in history. She lost to him, making her #1.

What a doughy pantload of horseshiat. Clinton's not responsible for American stupidity or centuries of misogyny.

Only if you believe that American stupidity and centuries of misogyny were the sole causes of her losing to Trump.

Spoiler:  They weren't.

Spoiler: There can't be more than one sole cause, so of course I don't think that multiple reasons are the "sole causes" of her loss.

They were simply, by a giant margin, the most significant and determinative causes.

Then maybe you should explore the OTHER reasons which were second tier and still could have turned the tide if Democrats had bothered to address them.  Watch the videos....I dare you.


I've seen it before, multiple times. I watched it again. And, as I said, it's a doughy pantsload of horseshiat. Here's a quick reality check for you:

Who is responsible for choosing the President of the United States of America?

A) Hillary Clinton
B) Voting-age Americans by way of the Electoral College
 
2020-08-04 6:05:24 PM  

Kuta: emtwo: Kuta: emtwo: jimmydageek: Albino Squid: After all three debates is 2016, Clinton's numbers jumped, because Trump looked like an absolute psycho throughout. All Biden needs to do is beat the extremely low expectations the Trump campaign has set by claiming that Biden is essentially mashed potato in a Brooks Brothers suit, and make a lot of "can you believe this shiat?" faces, which is one of Biden's strong suits.

Yeah, it was amazing to see. Then between and after the debates, her numbers dropped as people saw her in isolation and went "meh" or even "yech". She was a terrible candidate. She was the best choice in the general election by an unfathomable degree and I have permanently lost respect for any and all Trump voters. But she lost to a known sexual predator, business failure, malignant narcissist, and overall moron. He was the second worst candidate in history. She lost to him, making her #1.

What a doughy pantload of horseshiat. Clinton's not responsible for American stupidity or centuries of misogyny.

Only if you believe that American stupidity and centuries of misogyny were the sole causes of her losing to Trump.

Spoiler:  They weren't.

Spoiler: There can't be more than one sole cause, so of course I don't think that multiple reasons are the "sole causes" of her loss.

They were simply, by a giant margin, the most significant and determinative causes.

Then maybe you should explore the OTHER reasons which were second tier and still could have turned the tide if Democrats had bothered to address them.  Watch the videos....I dare you.


Is watch the videos the new "debate me"?

Why should we give ad revenue and clicks to morons on youtube?
 
2020-08-04 6:10:49 PM  

emtwo: I've seen it before, multiple times. I watched it again. And, as I said, it's a doughy pantsload of horseshiat.


Ok, fair enough.  Dismiss that perspective at your own peril.
 
2020-08-04 6:11:28 PM  

Kuta: emtwo: I've seen it before, multiple times. I watched it again. And, as I said, it's a doughy pantsload of horseshiat.

Ok, fair enough.  Dismiss that perspective at your own peril.


Because doing so only serves to confirm that elitists in the Democratic Party DO NOT CARE.
 
2020-08-04 6:11:32 PM  

Kuta: emtwo: I've seen it before, multiple times. I watched it again. And, as I said, it's a doughy pantsload of horseshiat.

Ok, fair enough.  Dismiss that perspective at your own peril.


Who is responsible for choosing the President of the United States of America?

A) Hillary Clinton
B) Voting-age Americans by way of the Electoral College
 
2020-08-04 8:23:33 PM  

nijika: Like you can debate these guys anyway.  Any debate with a Trumper and especially with Trump himself is basically a liar's showcase.  Totally meaningless.   We'll all be fact-checking to see if Biden is a Lizard Man from Alpha Centauri and crap.


In last night's debate, President Trump asserted that former Vice-President Joe Biden plans to use the funds gained from both raising taxes 1,000,000% and completely de-funding all law enforcement to construct mandatory gay wedding chapels, abortion clinics, and FEMA camps to imprison all white people, because he is an agent of the reptilian aliens from Alpha Centauri.

In fact, the Saurian overlords hail from Alpha Draconis.

We rate this misstatement 0.25 Pinocchios.
 
2020-08-05 2:59:48 AM  
RussianPotato: Rick Scott barely beat that senile old astronaut in Florida's senate race.

You dare to insult your betters so?

(multiple brass knuckled backhands ensue)
 
2020-08-05 8:30:55 AM  

jimmydageek: Albino Squid: After all three debates is 2016, Clinton's numbers jumped, because Trump looked like an absolute psycho throughout. All Biden needs to do is beat the extremely low expectations the Trump campaign has set by claiming that Biden is essentially mashed potato in a Brooks Brothers suit, and make a lot of "can you believe this shiat?" faces, which is one of Biden's strong suits.

Yeah, it was amazing to see. Then between and after the debates, her numbers dropped as people saw her in isolation and went "meh" or even "yech". She was a terrible candidate. She was the best choice in the general election by an unfathomable degree and I have permanently lost respect for any and all Trump voters. But she lost to a known sexual predator, business failure, malignant narcissist, and overall moron. He was the second worst candidate in history. She lost to him, making her #1.



She could have won...
If she'd repeatedly stated your summation of him and laughed at him often.

So much for "higher ground".
 
2020-08-05 10:42:22 AM  

1funguy: She could have won...
If she'd repeatedly stated your summation of him and laughed at him often.


She also could have won if a few more states had passed laws joining the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact before the election.
 
2020-08-05 11:06:26 AM  

snowjack: 1funguy: She could have won...
If she'd repeatedly stated your summation of him and laughed at him often.

She also could have won if a few more states had passed laws joining the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact before the election.


Yes, but my way would have been infinitely more entertaining, and with the clown show our government has become anyway...
Would you agree?
 
2020-08-05 11:45:49 AM  

1funguy: snowjack: 1funguy: She could have won...
If she'd repeatedly stated your summation of him and laughed at him often.

She also could have won if a few more states had passed laws joining the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact before the election.

Yes, but my way would have been infinitely more entertaining, and with the clown show our government has become anyway...
Would you agree?


For sure.
 
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