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2020-08-04 9:23:09 AM  
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2020-08-04 10:06:16 AM  
Democrats want illegal immigrants included because it would give them more House seats.

Illegal immigrants should be counted in the census, but House seats should only be allocated based on tallying those who could affect the political process, aka citizens.

Democrats don't want this to happen because it would strip them of an unfair advantage, which is why they are spewing disingenuous "racism" accusations
 
2020-08-04 11:39:33 AM  

Sumo Surfer: Democrats want illegal immigrants included because it would give them more House seats.

Illegal immigrants should be counted in the census, but House seats should only be allocated based on tallying those who could affect the political process, aka citizens.

Democrats don't want this to happen because it would strip them of an unfair advantage, which is why they are spewing disingenuous "racism" accusations


Turns out, the only required question on the Census is "How many people live here?".  Any other questions are purely demographic and unnecessary and therefore agenda driven.

But by the "How many people live here?" required question, we can surmise that representation is not based on citizenship, but by number of people.
 
2020-08-04 8:24:33 PM  
I nominate hedge fund manager and real estate developer as two new races that need to be tracked.
 
2020-08-04 8:25:28 PM  
Well, this thread is off to a roaring start.
 
2020-08-04 8:26:10 PM  
Trump? Racist? No way!
 
2020-08-04 8:26:10 PM  

Chris Ween: Sumo Surfer: Democrats want illegal immigrants included because it would give them more House seats.

Illegal immigrants should be counted in the census, but House seats should only be allocated based on tallying those who could affect the political process, aka citizens.

Democrats don't want this to happen because it would strip them of an unfair advantage, which is why they are spewing disingenuous "racism" accusations

Turns out, the only required question on the Census is "How many people live here?".  Any other questions are purely demographic and unnecessary and therefore agenda driven.

But by the "How many people live here?" required question, we can surmise that representation is not based on citizenship, but by number of people.


Underbridge dwellers are already full- deny them food.
 
2020-08-04 8:27:24 PM  

Sumo Surfer: Democrats want illegal immigrants included because it would give them more House seats.

Illegal immigrants should be counted in the census, but House seats should only be allocated based on tallying those who could affect the political process, aka citizens.

Democrats don't want this to happen because it would strip them of an unfair advantage, which is why they are spewing disingenuous "racism" accusations


Remember: every reich winger's accusations are actually confessions.

Remember that and it all makes sense.
 
2020-08-04 8:27:46 PM  
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2020-08-04 8:28:07 PM  

Sumo Surfer: Democrats want illegal immigrants included because it would give them more House seats.

Illegal immigrants should be counted in the census, but House seats should only be allocated based on tallying those who could affect the political process, aka citizens.

Democrats don't want this to happen because it would strip them of an unfair advantage, which is why they are spewing disingenuous "racism" accusations


This is why we don't count children or unregistered voting adults because they don't affect the political process..... what? We count them anyways? Weird.
 
2020-08-04 8:29:15 PM  
Is he hoping to bring back the 3/5's clause?
 
2020-08-04 8:30:11 PM  
The GOP will only win elections if they depress turnout and representation. This, and the daily attacks on absentee ballots, are part of the same strategy.
 
2020-08-04 8:32:28 PM  
John Oliver also explained it thoroughly.

The Census: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)
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2020-08-04 8:33:02 PM  
How about linking a non-paywall site subby.
 
2020-08-04 8:33:02 PM  
They had no problem counting 60% of resident-noncitizens for decades.
 
2020-08-04 8:33:05 PM  

Sumo Surfer: Democrats want illegal immigrants included because it would give them more House seats.

Illegal immigrants should be counted in the census, but House seats should only be allocated based on tallying those who could affect the political process, aka citizens.

Democrats don't want this to happen because it would strip them of an unfair advantage, which is why they are spewing disingenuous "racism" accusations


Can you explain, in detail, exactly how this scheme you are alleging is supposed to physically work?
There is no way the census can make that differentiation, that I know of - and obviously trump has no idea how the census works.
Wouldn't it be easier to dump this idiot and get a President?
 
2020-08-04 8:33:34 PM  

Sumo Surfer: Democrats want illegal immigrants included because it would give them more House seats.

Illegal immigrants should be counted in the census, but House seats should only be allocated based on tallying those who could affect the political process, aka citizens.

Democrats don't want this to happen because it would strip them of an unfair advantage, which is why they are spewing disingenuous "racism" accusations


Fine.

Can we at least get a three for five situation, your side has passing familiarity with that concept, right?
 
2020-08-04 8:33:39 PM  

Sumo Surfer: Democrats want illegal immigrants included because it would give them more House seats.

Illegal immigrants should be counted in the census, but House seats should only be allocated based on tallying those who could affect the political process, aka citizens.

Democrats don't want this to happen because it would strip them of an unfair advantage, which is why they are spewing disingenuous "racism" accusations


Congress critters represent undocumented people immigrants in their district as well.  This GOP idea that you only represent who voted for you is farkin' unAmerican.
 
2020-08-04 8:33:50 PM  

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I want to go to there, properly socially distanced, of course.
 
2020-08-04 8:38:17 PM  
this would drain billions annually from states such as California, Texas, Florida and Georgia

Once again he's looking to screw over his own voters.
 
2020-08-04 8:38:26 PM  
Saw somewhere that one solution to this problem is for congress to refuse to accept the results of the census, to declare them hopelessly tainted and require a do-over.
 
2020-08-04 8:39:43 PM  

Flincher: How about linking a non-paywall site subby.


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2020-08-04 8:42:02 PM  

Sumo Surfer: Democrats want illegal immigrants included because it would give them more House seats.

Illegal immigrants should be counted in the census, but House seats should only be allocated based on tallying those who could affect the political process, aka citizens.

Democrats don't want this to happen because it would strip them of an unfair advantage, which is why they are spewing disingenuous "racism" accusations


Economists use the census for about a million things, everything from where to build schools and roads, to where to build hospitals and retirement centers... evacuation shelters for emergencies, you name it, the census tells us where to build it. If you don't want to count illegal immigrants because of house seats, then just don't use them for that formula, but pretending they don't need hospitals, schools, roads, or emergency shelter just leaves places with traffic problems, not enough hospital beds, or schools that aren't actually where the kids are. If you wanted to address what you say is the problem, then farking address that on its own, and stop screwing up the count in all those other ways just because you don't like some of the people being counted.
 
2020-08-04 8:45:50 PM  
How are only Democrats receiving the advantages of illegal immigrants when it comes to not considering citizenship as part of the census?
 
2020-08-04 8:51:09 PM  
I am currently a census worker, the door-to-door kind. I just finished my shift as a matter of fact. The census ends on September 22nd. Hard stop. No way to add citizenship at this point.

PLEASE KNOW THIS: The census is in the constitution. Our country's founders wanted to legally require the government to count the people ("of the people, by the people, for the people"). Besides determining the locations of the 435 members of the House of Representatives, it can also help divvy up federal funds. You know, THE TAXES YOU PAY. If you want YOUR TAXES to have a chance at being used in YOUR COMMUNITY please answer the census. At a minimum: the number of people in your house (regardless of citizenship) and their ages. You can refuse to provide a birthday and just provide your age. You can refuse to provide your name or any other questions you're asked. Age helps when it comes to things like roads (how many people are of driving age?), schools, hospitals, senior resources, community centers, etc.  But please do not complain about paying taxes and having *the political party that is not yours* give them away if you don't complete your census. It's the same as complaining about a government when you don't vote.
 
2020-08-04 8:52:50 PM  

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2020-08-04 9:07:32 PM  

Sumo Surfer: Democrats want illegal immigrants included because it would give them more House seats.

Illegal immigrants should be counted in the census, but House seats should only be allocated based on tallying those who could affect the political process, aka citizens.

Democrats don't want this to happen because it would strip them of an unfair advantage, which is why they are spewing disingenuous "racism" accusations


Same Americans who today think the South was right, and slavery was the bee's knees, probably also believe slave holders were gypped when slaves were only counted as 3/5 of a person by the Census, yet they complain that undocumented immigrants are counted at all.   A certain word comes to mind.  Pretty sure it starts with an 'h'.  Hypo-something??
 
2020-08-04 9:09:16 PM  

Flincher: How about linking a non-paywall site subby.


I wish we could get them to quit greenlighting these.

Just call them out and downvote them.
 
2020-08-04 9:16:13 PM  

Sumo Surfer: Democrats want illegal immigrants included because it would give them more House seats.

Illegal immigrants should be counted in the census, but House seats should only be allocated based on tallying those who could affect the political process, aka citizens.

Democrats don't want this to happen because it would strip them of an unfair advantage, which is why they are spewing disingenuous "racism" accusations


Los Angeles county has more people than 41 states.  The 12 least populous states combined have about the same population as California.  That's 24 Senators who represent the same number of people as CA's 2.  Please, continue to talk about how there's an unfair advantage in federal representation.  Especially since the Senate has held this country hostage since 2014.  Unless you're saying that you want to redo how we dole out Senate seats as well?

/Don't even need to talk about the history of what the constitution actually says (hint, it has to do with the fact that not all the people in the country were considered people at the time).
//Rural areas that have prisons also get to count prisoners as residents, yet those residents have no right to vote.
 
2020-08-04 9:21:51 PM  

Sumo Surfer: Democrats want illegal immigrants included because it would give them more House seats.

Illegal immigrants should be counted in the census, but House seats should only be allocated based on tallying those who could affect the political process, aka citizens.

Democrats don't want this to happen because it would strip them of an unfair advantage, which is why they are spewing disingenuous "racism" accusations


Then change the Constitution. Elect people to change it.  Otherwise, shiat in one hand and whine about wanting the parameters of the census to change in the other, and see which fills up first.

Seriously, really freaking tired of, "Area Man Passionate Defender Of What He Imagines Constitution To Be".

Read the damn thing, then look up what SCOTUS has judged what the Constitution is.  Persons and Citizens are used in various sections for specific reasons.

/ Habeus Corpus
// Nolo Contendre
/// Loem Ipsum
 
2020-08-04 9:26:46 PM  
Sumo Surfer:

Democrats want illegal immigrants included because

it's required by the constitution.  The census is about the total population residing in the US, not just who has approval from the relevant era's conservatives to be here.
 
2020-08-04 11:48:43 PM  
"Karen Bass, a Democrat, represents California's 37th Congressional District in the U.S. House of Representatives. Stacey Abrams, a Democrat, was minority leader of the Georgia House of Representatives from 2011 to 2017."

We're not gonna talk about that part? Like at all?
 
2020-08-05 12:22:28 AM  
"Trump is resurrecting the racist history of the Census"

should be

"Trump is resurrecting the racist history of the USA"
 
2020-08-05 1:13:44 AM  

ansius: "Trump is resurrecting the racist history of the Census"

should be

"Trump is resurrecting the racist history of the USA"


Resurrection can only happen after death.

Our racism never ended.
 
2020-08-05 1:36:17 AM  

firefly212: If you don't want to count illegal immigrants because of house seats, then just don't use them for that formula, but pretending they don't need hospitals, schools, roads, or emergency shelter just leaves places with traffic problems, not enough hospital beds, or schools that aren't actually where the kids are. If you wanted to address what you say is the problem, then farking address that on its own, and stop screwing up the count in all those other ways just because you don't like some of the people being counted.


I did "farking address it on its own." SPECIFICALLY.

I wrote that illegal immigrants should be counted in the census, but not when it comes to allocating House seats. Did you bother to read the point you are trying to rebut?
 
2020-08-05 1:40:04 AM  

Murkanen: it's required by the constitution...


So is the Electoral College, but that hasn't stopped the many Democrats -who believe it to be unfair- from abandoning their pushes and bills to abolish it.

Under current policy, states and cities have an incentive to enact policies which would encourage illegal immigration and flout federal law, and they shouldn't be rewarded for it with additional House seats which otherwise wouldn't exist.
 
2020-08-05 1:46:35 AM  
Sumo Surfer:

So is the Electoral College, but that hasn't stopped the many Democrats -who believe it to be unfair- from abandoning their pushes and bills to abolish it.

There have been no push bills to abolish the electoral college.  The interstate vote pact, which ties electors to the popular vote, is working within the framework of the electoral college itself to operate.
 
2020-08-05 1:50:39 AM  

JakeStone: Then change the Constitution. Elect people to change it...


The constitution doesn't specify who must be included in the apportionment base.
 
2020-08-05 2:03:36 AM  

Murkanen: There have been no push bills to abolish the electoral college...


Wrong. Barbara Boxer, just off the top of my head, introduced a bill to abolish it and called for electing the president via popular vote.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elect​o​ral_College_abolition_amendment
 
2020-08-05 3:28:51 AM  

Sumo Surfer: JakeStone: Then change the Constitution. Elect people to change it...

The constitution doesn't specify who must be included in the apportionment base.

"Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons. The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct. The Number of Representatives shall not exceed one for every thirty Thousand, but each State shall have at Least one Representative..."

- U.S. Constitution, Article I, section 2, clause 3

"Area man..."
 
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