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(NYPost)   Months after the 'Central Park Karen' incident, dog owners and bird watchers still are having a hard time getting along   (nypost.com) divider line
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2020-08-04 6:56:58 PM  
This will be how WWIII starts.
 
2020-08-04 7:35:33 PM  
Well, Noo Yohkahs ARE a special kind of douchebag
 
2020-08-04 7:35:43 PM  
I don't understand...the birds that I watch at the park are generally attracted to dogs.
 
2020-08-04 7:36:26 PM  
Almost the entire "article" consists of dog owners who don't think the rules should apply to them.
 
2020-08-04 7:38:24 PM  
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2020-08-04 7:43:00 PM  

hissatsu: Almost the entire "article" consists of dog owners who don't think the rules should apply to them.


Being a dog owner is hard and requires sacrifice.

Americans are lazy, irresponsible, selfish, shiats.
 
2020-08-04 7:43:14 PM  
"When you see [dogs off leash] a lot, it's difficult to refrain from going into yell mode right away," said birder Robert DeCandido.

When mountain biking I no longer tell people it's a leash zone...that just gets met with blank stares or hostility.  Now I say 'there's a ranger coming' and they say thank you and put the leash on.
 
2020-08-04 7:44:33 PM  

hissatsu: Almost the entire "article" consists of dog owners who don't think the rules should apply to them.


And one dipshiat who lives in NYC with a Great Bernese.
 
2020-08-04 7:44:46 PM  

Bslim: Well, Noo Yohkahs ARE a special kind of douchebag


rude
 
2020-08-04 7:44:51 PM  
This is what people are worried about?
 
2020-08-04 7:47:09 PM  
My dog refuses to wear a leash as he identifies himself as a white Trump supporter
 
2020-08-04 7:50:34 PM  
"It doesn't need to escalate to such a nasty place," said Janet Wolf, who walks her pug in Central Park. "Putting a video camera in someone's face and yelling agitates the issue."

Notice that she never suggested she follow the rules and keep her dog on a leash.
 
2020-08-04 7:55:03 PM  
I am a dog owner and we obey leash laws.

Setting your animals loose in an area where birds are feeding and raising their families is asshole-ish.
 
2020-08-04 7:55:24 PM  
"I understand we need comprehensive medical coverage for USA citizens, but my low taxes are crucial for my health.  If I live in a place that has an average home value under 500K, I started to develop cancer".

Whatever someone else needs is unimportant

whatever you kind of want is absolutely crucial though.
 
2020-08-04 7:57:51 PM  
It's important to remember that we all primarily identify as individual idiots, whatever else may divide us.
 
2020-08-04 7:58:18 PM  
NYC has more Karens and Chads per square foot than any place in the world, so of course there are going to be douchebag aftershocks forever.
 
2020-08-04 7:59:33 PM  

Mooammar Al-Cowddafi: I don't understand...the birds that I watch at the park are generally attracted to dogs.


Dames don't like being called ' birds '.
 
2020-08-04 7:59:50 PM  

Mooammar Al-Cowddafi: I don't understand...the birds that I watch at the park are generally attracted to dogs.


Broads don't like to be called 'birds'.
 
2020-08-04 8:00:27 PM  
Is it the camera angle, or is the bird-watcher guy's head weird?
 
2020-08-04 8:01:12 PM  

Windle Poons: hissatsu: Almost the entire "article" consists of dog owners who don't think the rules should apply to them.

And one dipshiat who lives in NYC with a Great Bernese.


Don't you mean a Burmese?
 
2020-08-04 8:02:42 PM  

hissatsu: Almost the entire "article" consists of dog owners who don't think the rules should apply to them.


Because my dog is so cuuuuuute, and people that don't like my dog are meeeeeaan....
 
2020-08-04 8:02:46 PM  

Zevon's Evil Twin: I am a dog owner and we obey leash laws.

Setting your animals loose in an area where birds are feeding and raising their families is asshole-ish.


Don't currently have dogs but when we did we always took them to the off-leash park if we wanted them to run around with a leash. Otherwise they were always on a leash. How hard is that? Also, your dog can run while leashed. Of course this will involve you also running.
 
2020-08-04 8:07:05 PM  
My dogs are still nervous wrecks after being attacked by a "Don't worry, he's really friendly." bulldog off leash at a dog beach. Keep your mongrel on a leash if you don't want it to get kicked.
 
2020-08-04 8:11:23 PM  

The Pope of Manwich Village: NYC has more Karens and Chads per square foot than any place in the world, so of course there are going to be douchebag aftershocks forever.


Between Donnie, Jared, Rudy, Bernie, Mike Bloomberg, piles of trash bags on the sidewalks, the floppy pizza, and the Chads and Karens in the parks, can we please just wall that place off?  

If you live in an apartment, get a cat.
 
2020-08-04 8:13:04 PM  
But Stephanie Ching believes that letting her Great Bernese mountain dog, Brinkley, off leash twice a day is essential to his health.
"There will be people who say, 'Your dog should be on a leash,'" said Ching, who sometimes will go 15 to 20 minutes over regulated off-leash time. "[But] he needs the exercise."


Then you own the wrong kind dog for living in a huge developed city.   What do you think "mountain dog" means?

Oh, you are entitled to own any breed you want and live anywhere you want?

Frickin' entitled assmunchers.
 
2020-08-04 8:14:12 PM  

Abox: "When you see [dogs off leash] a lot, it's difficult to refrain from going into yell mode right away," said birder Robert DeCandido.

When mountain biking I no longer tell people it's a leash zone...that just gets met with blank stares or hostility.  Now I say 'there's a ranger coming' and they say thank you and put the leash on.


of just run over the dog....
 
2020-08-04 8:17:18 PM  

Izunbacol: The Pope of Manwich Village: NYC has more Karens and Chads per square foot than any place in the world, so of course there are going to be douchebag aftershocks forever.

Between Donnie, Jared, Rudy, Bernie, Mike Bloomberg, piles of trash bags on the sidewalks, the floppy pizza, and the Chads and Karens in the parks, can we please just wall that place off?  

If you live in an apartment, get a cat.


I think the world has had its fill of New Yorkers for a couple of generations.
 
2020-08-04 8:18:50 PM  

thepresence: Abox: "When you see [dogs off leash] a lot, it's difficult to refrain from going into yell mode right away," said birder Robert DeCandido.

When mountain biking I no longer tell people it's a leash zone...that just gets met with blank stares or hostility.  Now I say 'there's a ranger coming' and they say thank you and put the leash on.

of just run over the dog....


Or better yet, the owner...
 
2020-08-04 8:20:14 PM  

Bslim: Izunbacol: The Pope of Manwich Village: NYC has more Karens and Chads per square foot than any place in the world, so of course there are going to be douchebag aftershocks forever.

Between Donnie, Jared, Rudy, Bernie, Mike Bloomberg, piles of trash bags on the sidewalks, the floppy pizza, and the Chads and Karens in the parks, can we please just wall that place off?  

If you live in an apartment, get a cat.

I think the world has had its fill of New Yorkers for a couple of generations.


When the key money / Tiktok thing popped up another thread, all I could think was that it's time to give New Yorkers a long time out.
 
2020-08-04 8:20:25 PM  

Bslim: I think the world has had its fill of New Yorkers for a couple of generations.


Most New Yorkers are great.  There are a LOT of people in NYC.  but I can see where you are coming from.
 
2020-08-04 8:23:45 PM  

Bslim: Well, Noo Yohkahs ARE a special kind of douchebag


Hey, the more concrete-dwellers who are happy getting their nature fix within the confines of concrete, the better. Moar open space for me.
 
2020-08-04 8:27:21 PM  
There is a fairly simple and inexpensive solution to this problem. Birders should get together and buy a small fleet of drones. Then take turns flying them to patrol the Ramble and other areas where loose dogs are not allowed. Equip the drones with Go-Pros and RC spray nozzles filled with Skunk scent.

Procedure:
(1) Dog owner illegally releases dog in restricted area.
(2) Drone swoops down and sprays the dog, then flies away.
(3) Dog owner freaks out and calls the cops.
(4) Cops ask to be shown exactly where the dog assault took place.
(5) Dog owner self-incriminates
(6) Cop issues ticket to dog owner
(7) Dog owner has to bathe dog.

This is doable and inexpensive. It is probably illegal, but I cannot imagine that the police would be terribly anxious to find the perps. They would probably find it amusing.
 
2020-08-04 8:30:03 PM  
Owning huge dogs and enjoying nature; these are not city activities. You need to adjust to the city, the city doesn't need to adjust to you.
 
2020-08-04 8:36:25 PM  

big pig peaches: Owning huge dogs and enjoying nature; these are not city activities. You need to adjust to the city, the city doesn't need to adjust to you.


What if you have a really big wrench?
 
2020-08-04 8:39:40 PM  
I am allergic to dogs so I am forced to be rational.  Peepers FTW
 
2020-08-04 8:39:44 PM  

Mr.Hawk: This is what people are worried about?


Fark handle checks out.
 
2020-08-04 8:43:12 PM  

Pincy: Zevon's Evil Twin: I am a dog owner and we obey leash laws.

Setting your animals loose in an area where birds are feeding and raising their families is asshole-ish.

Don't currently have dogs but when we did we always took them to the off-leash park if we wanted them to run around with a leash. Otherwise they were always on a leash. How hard is that? Also, your dog can run while leashed. Of course this will involve you also running.


Did the dogs ever you give funny looks? Like, "Hey, human, all the other dogs are running around without a damn leash, so why've we got wear one?"
 
2020-08-04 8:51:27 PM  

Harlee: There is a fairly simple and inexpensive solution to this problem. Birders should get together and buy a small fleet of drones. Then take turns flying them to patrol the Ramble and other areas where loose dogs are not allowed. Equip the drones with Go-Pros and RC spray nozzles filled with Skunk scent.

Procedure:
(1) Dog owner illegally releases dog in restricted area.
(2) Drone swoops down and sprays the dog, then flies away.
(3) Dog owner freaks out and calls the cops.
(4) Cops ask to be shown exactly where the dog assault took place.
(5) Dog owner self-incriminates
(6) Cop issues ticket to dog owner
(7) Dog owner has to bathe dog.

This is doable and inexpensive. It is probably illegal, but I cannot imagine that the police would be terribly anxious to find the perps. They would probably find it amusing.


It would also scare all the birds away hence no longer a need for drones. But then the birds would come back and....
I'm all confused now.
 
2020-08-04 8:52:29 PM  

rhiannon: Harlee: There is a fairly simple and inexpensive solution to this problem. Birders should get together and buy a small fleet of drones. Then take turns flying them to patrol the Ramble and other areas where loose dogs are not allowed. Equip the drones with Go-Pros and RC spray nozzles filled with Skunk scent.

Procedure:
(1) Dog owner illegally releases dog in restricted area.
(2) Drone swoops down and sprays the dog, then flies away.
(3) Dog owner freaks out and calls the cops.
(4) Cops ask to be shown exactly where the dog assault took place.
(5) Dog owner self-incriminates
(6) Cop issues ticket to dog owner
(7) Dog owner has to bathe dog.

This is doable and inexpensive. It is probably illegal, but I cannot imagine that the police would be terribly anxious to find the perps. They would probably find it amusing.

It would also scare all the birds away hence no longer a need for drones. But then the birds would come back and....
I'm all confused now.


If you shot the birds they wouldn't come back.
 
2020-08-04 8:58:22 PM  

Harlee: 2) Drone swoops down and sprays the dog, then flies away.


Don't fly drones near sensitive bird habitat.  That was the whole original point.
 
2020-08-04 8:59:04 PM  

Harlee: There is a fairly simple and inexpensive solution to this problem. Birders should get together and buy a small fleet of drones. Then take turns flying them to patrol the Ramble and other areas where loose dogs are not allowed. Equip the drones with Go-Pros and RC spray nozzles filled with Skunk scent.

Procedure:
(1) Dog owner illegally releases dog in restricted area.
(2) Drone swoops down and sprays the dog, then flies away.
(3) Dog owner freaks out and calls the cops.
(4) Cops ask to be shown exactly where the dog assault took place.
(5) Dog owner self-incriminates
(6) Cop issues ticket to dog owner
(7) Dog owner has to bathe dog.

This is doable and inexpensive. It is probably illegal, but I cannot imagine that the police would be terribly anxious to find the perps. They would probably find it amusing.


Maybe mixed with some ultra-violet dye.  Getting enough on the ground around the dog would prove where the dog was standing, just in case the person wants to move the dog's alleged location a few feet out of the banned zone.  I know that's advice given for mace and pepper sprays that have UV dye.  A quick google isn't making it clear to me if UV dyes that would work for this purpose exist, but there's probably something out there.

Now we just need a suggestion for me and the "emotional support animal" owner in my dog-free building that won't keep her dog on a leash.  Don't think a drone would help.
 
2020-08-04 9:02:57 PM  
Seems like a simple solution. The article indicates that there's designated off leash times and areas, so the "but my little Woogams needs to run free" argument doesn't hold water. Simply aggressively fine the offenders and use the Day-fine model where the fine is linked to your income (thereby not letting rich people use the fine as a license to misbehave). First time: A polite but firm warning. Second time: 1 day income. Third: 2 days income. Fourth: 5 days income. Fifth: 10 days income, and add an additional 10 days for each and every subsequent event. At some point even the dumbest person will get the message.
 
2020-08-04 9:10:15 PM  
My last dog passed away at 15 several years ago so maybe this is just a new thing I don't really understand. I used to just let him run around in my yard for exercise but when I did take him anywhere, especially anywhere in the city, I would never have let him off his leash. Not even just because there are leash laws, but also, he was a small breed and I wouldn't have wanted him getting dognapped, hit by a car, snatched up by a hawk (when he was a puppy), attacked by a bigger dog etc. The leash isn't just for other people's safety; it's for your dogs safety too. Why do people get pets if they cannot properly take care of them?
 
2020-08-04 9:13:31 PM  

Pincy: "It doesn't need to escalate to such a nasty place," said Janet Wolf, who walks her pug in Central Park. "Putting a video camera in someone's face and yelling agitates the issue."

Notice that she never suggested she follow the rules and keep her dog on a leash.


Wolf admits that she lets her dog explore the Ramble unleashed.
 
2020-08-04 9:14:48 PM  

The Pope of Manwich Village: NYC has more Karens and Chads per square foot than any place in the world, so of course there are going to be douchebag aftershocks forever.


Let me introduce you to a little town called Shanghai, populated by only children of Nouveau rich only children.
 
2020-08-04 9:50:35 PM  
Surprised this choice quote isn't in the discussion yet:

Wolf admits that she lets her dog explore the Ramble unleashed.  "It's just a beautiful thing. It feels like the closest thing to nature we can get in Manhattan," she said.

"Which is why I need to let my dog destroy what makes it so beautiful and natural."
 
2020-08-04 9:58:06 PM  
Raze the park. It's the only solution.
 
2020-08-04 10:45:45 PM  

No Catchy Nickname: Pincy: Zevon's Evil Twin: I am a dog owner and we obey leash laws.

Setting your animals loose in an area where birds are feeding and raising their families is asshole-ish.

Don't currently have dogs but when we did we always took them to the off-leash park if we wanted them to run around with a leash. Otherwise they were always on a leash. How hard is that? Also, your dog can run while leashed. Of course this will involve you also running.

Did the dogs ever you give funny looks? Like, "Hey, human, all the other dogs are running around without a damn leash, so why've we got wear one?"


Off leash dogs are a pain for those with leashed dogs.  The dogs on the leash know they are handicapped and reasonably get defensive.
 
2020-08-05 2:15:39 AM  

dbaggins: Don't fly drones near sensitive bird habitat.  That was the whole original point.


They'll get over it
 
2020-08-05 6:47:30 AM  
Lol... city folk fighting over their small patch of pretend nature.
 
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