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(The Hill)   It might even be higher, but the answers from the people on ventilators are tricky to decipher   (thehill.com) divider line
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2020-08-04 6:45:07 AM  
It'd be even lower if the media wasn't pathologically dedicated to teaching the controversy -- even if it's coming from a tiny minority of conspiracy nutjobs.
 
2020-08-04 6:49:11 AM  
the answers from the people on ventilators are tricky to decipher

Wouldn't be tricky if they learned Morse code, like they should have.
 
2020-08-04 6:49:28 AM  
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2020-08-04 7:07:19 AM  
Just let States and local jurisdictions decide if masks usage is mandatory.
 
2020-08-04 7:11:30 AM  
That's good for a start but we need an enforced hard shutdown of at least a couple of months.  It will be devastating and probably take years to recover but the alternative is just slowing bleeding us dry as the virus spreads.
 
2020-08-04 7:12:03 AM  

Hammer_Not_The_Nail: Just let States and local jurisdictions decide if masks usage is mandatory.


Yeah.  That's been super effective so far.
 
2020-08-04 7:12:43 AM  
<clears throat>

-Masks don't do anything they are just training us to be sheep, like seat belts

- I have medical condition and because of HIPPO I don't have to say what it is (Moranus perpetus)

- my oxygen levels drop

- you can give yourself COVID from your own mask

-FREEDOOOMM

- I had sex with a demon last night, see the video on my website

...
 
2020-08-04 7:18:08 AM  
Depends who is doing the polling and who do they target.

/FTR, I'm for masks
//just saying polls are a fickle thing
 
2020-08-04 7:23:38 AM  
But Putin doesn't
 
2020-08-04 7:26:08 AM  

DarnoKonrad: It'd be even lower if the media wasn't pathologically dedicated to teaching the controversy -- even if it's coming from a tiny minority of conspiracy nutjobs.


Surely you mean higher. TFA says 82% support masks. Your post sounds like you think wearing a mask is something suggested by conspiracy nutjobs.
 
2020-08-04 7:27:26 AM  
Mandate what you want but that doesn't mean "nose out", "chin strap", "ear hang" or "take off while talking" will use masks properly.
 
2020-08-04 7:32:41 AM  

Cheron: <clears throat>

-Masks don't do anything they are just training us to be sheep, like seat belts

- I have medical condition and because of HIPPO I don't have to say what it is (Moranus perpetus)

- my oxygen levels drop

- you can give yourself COVID from your own mask

-FREEDOOOMM

- I had sex with a demon last night, see the video on my website

...


"100% of everybody can't be expected to do it properly, so it is a complete waste of time and we shouldn't do it"
is one major one you left out.
 
2020-08-04 7:57:23 AM  

dittybopper: the answers from the people on ventilators are tricky to decipher

Wouldn't be tricky if they learned Morse code, like they should have.


hey, I read Johnny got his Gun.
 
2020-08-04 8:23:37 AM  

Salmon: dittybopper: the answers from the people on ventilators are tricky to decipher

Wouldn't be tricky if they learned Morse code, like they should have.

hey, I read Johnny got his Gun.


I saw the Metallica video.
 
2020-08-04 8:35:40 AM  

Hammer_Not_The_Nail: Just let States and local jurisdictions decide if masks usage is mandatory.


Fine. Let's create a federal program that provides PPE to States and municipalities at low cost/no cost, on the condition that those local jurisdictions receiving the PPE enact and enforce indoor mask laws, with clawbacks and penalty provisions for any jurisdiction that fails to enforce those laws.

It's not a mandate, but I have a hard time seeing jurisdictions saying no.
 
2020-08-04 9:37:31 AM  

dittybopper: the answers from the people on ventilators are tricky to decipher

Wouldn't be tricky if they learned Morse code, like they should have.


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2020-08-04 10:48:58 AM  

Snapper Carr: Hammer_Not_The_Nail: Just let States and local jurisdictions decide if masks usage is mandatory.

Yeah.  That's been super effective so far.


So you want to give the Federal government ( and President Trump) more power over you? The Constitution reserves all power not given to the Feds to the States by the way.
 
2020-08-04 11:00:26 AM  

Snapper Carr: Hammer_Not_The_Nail: Just let States and local jurisdictions decide if masks usage is mandatory.

Yeah.  That's been super effective so far.


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2020-08-04 11:10:58 AM  

Hammer_Not_The_Nail: Snapper Carr: Hammer_Not_The_Nail: Just let States and local jurisdictions decide if masks usage is mandatory.

Yeah.  That's been super effective so far.

So you want to give the Federal government ( and President Trump) more power over you? The Constitution reserves all power not given to the Feds to the States by the way.


That's something people don't really understand.   It's pretty simple.

The president isn't the boss of you.  The President of the United States is the boss of the executive branch of the Federal Government.   That's pretty much it.

The federal government has limited powers to compel you to do things, unlike the states which have fairly expansive police powers.  Anything the federal government does has to be tied to a power granted to it by the Constitution, and that's relatively limited (although expanded over the years, I'm looking at you, Wickard).

Compelling you to wear a mask just isn't something the federal government can do, but your state and local governments absolutely can under their much wider discretion.  That's federalism in a nutshell.

And double so, the president can't just sign an executive order and make it so like a governor or mayor can.  *IF* you could tie it to something like the overly-abused Commerce Clause, you'd *STILL* need Congress to write the law for the president to sign.
 
2020-08-04 11:24:17 AM  

Snapper Carr: That's good for a start but we need an enforced hard shutdown of at least a couple of months.  It will be devastating and probably take years to recover but the alternative is just slowing bleeding us dry as the virus spreads.


I disagree on this--there will be too much non-compliance, a hard shutdown simply won't work.  What I would like to see is masks or distancing is required if you're off your own property (your car counts as your property), unless you are engaged in something which is both essential and impossible to do within those rules.  (Basically, medical/dental.)  Put undercover mask police out there, ticket on the spot, and if the business isn't already challenging the non-compliant individual the business gets a ticket also.  Tickets are high and for the individual they increase every time.  There are no categories of permitted/prohibited businesses, if they can figure out how to operate within the mask rules, fine, otherwise stay closed.  (For example, gyms--how about taking out some machines to make space and putting a booth around each machine that's still there and suction drawing the air into a HEPA filter.  Inside the booths you have distancing, the mask can come off.)
 
2020-08-04 11:43:35 AM  

Loren: Snapper Carr: That's good for a start but we need an enforced hard shutdown of at least a couple of months.  It will be devastating and probably take years to recover but the alternative is just slowing bleeding us dry as the virus spreads.

I disagree on this--there will be too much non-compliance, a hard shutdown simply won't work.  What I would like to see is masks or distancing is required if you're off your own property (your car counts as your property), unless you are engaged in something which is both essential and impossible to do within those rules.  (Basically, medical/dental.)  Put undercover mask police out there, ticket on the spot, and if the business isn't already challenging the non-compliant individual the business gets a ticket also.  Tickets are high and for the individual they increase every time.  There are no categories of permitted/prohibited businesses, if they can figure out how to operate within the mask rules, fine, otherwise stay closed.  (For example, gyms--how about taking out some machines to make space and putting a booth around each machine that's still there and suction drawing the air into a HEPA filter.  Inside the booths you have distancing, the mask can come off.)


I would also say that in situations where there is little risk because of inherently maintaining social distancing, no mask required.

For example, this last weekend I went to the local park to play ham radio.  I set up a folding table and chair and sling an antenna into a tree, and make contacts.   I'm not getting in anybody's space.  No reason to wear a mask in a situation like that.

Some of the douchebaggery we saw a couple months ago, like the guy paddleboarding in the ocean without a mask getting a ticket for that is stupid and makes those who make up and enforce the regulations look very, very stupid.  It also encourages people to violate them, because everyone can see that's stupid.

So if you tell me I can't take my immediate family out for a picnic in the park without wearing a mask as long as we maintain distance from others, I'm not going to listen to the other things you say because you're obviously a moron.
 
2020-08-04 12:07:22 PM  
No matter who runs them. Polls are BS.
 
2020-08-04 12:59:57 PM  

stuffy: No matter who runs them. Polls are BS.


"Millions of people can't be wrong!"

Actually, yes, they can.   Millions of people believe in alien visitation to Earth.  Millions of people believe in ghosts.  *BILLIONS* of people believe their religion is the One True Religion.

This is a perfect example:
https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/​0​5/07/gun-homicide-rate-down-49-since-1​993-peak-public-unaware/

When that poll was taken, ~80% of people polled believed that gun violence had increased, or stayed about the same, in the previous 20 years, when in fact it had dropped like a farkin' rock.
 
2020-08-04 7:45:42 PM  

dittybopper: "Millions of people can't be wrong!"

Actually, yes, they can.


And they usually are.

Right is right even if nobody is right and wrong is wrong even if everybody is wrong.
 
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