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(Foreign Policy)   This is our Chernobyl moment. And what we need is a long-ass article by a historian of economic disasters writing about a sociologist who studied risk. No, really, we do. We do. Just read TFA   (foreignpolicy.com) divider line
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2020-08-03 8:21:49 PM  
Everyone should read FP stuff, even if they rub you the wrong way occasionally.  Fascinating topics.

/not subby, and +1 for subby
 
2020-08-03 8:46:56 PM  
Eh, not great, not terrible.
 
2020-08-03 8:59:16 PM  
I'm not subscribing to finish the story.
 
2020-08-03 9:52:51 PM  

dstanley: I'm not subscribing to finish the story.


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2020-08-03 10:28:28 PM  
Written in 2018, this reads like COVID prophecy in the US.

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2020-08-03 10:40:10 PM  

Twilight Farkle: dstanley: I'm not subscribing to finish the story.

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I didn't have to subscribe to finish. It's a long read but worth it.

The interesting thing is the central idea that the average citizen struggles to appreciate the scale and extent of the risk as a professional does or an expert does.

And I think this is why conspiracy theories are so powerful now - they reduce multifactorial, multinational, and multi agent problems down to a simple narrative for people.
 
2020-08-03 11:57:00 PM  

ansius: Twilight Farkle: dstanley: I'm not subscribing to finish the story.

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I didn't have to subscribe to finish. It's a long read but worth it.

The interesting thing is the central idea that the average citizen struggles to appreciate the scale and extent of the risk as a professional does or an expert does.

And I think this is why conspiracy theories are so powerful now - they reduce multifactorial, multinational, and multi agent problems down to a simple narrative for people.


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2020-08-04 12:01:13 AM  
Nothing is going to save us. We'll get Biden and stumble until next summer finally getting it under control or we get this clown for four more and it's just Rome on fire forever. Even with Biden we've lost so much.
 
2020-08-04 12:05:29 AM  
The methods are different, but the purpose is always the same: To make the leadership seem omnipotent.
 
2020-08-04 12:14:13 AM  
Bin Laden Won
 
2020-08-04 12:23:57 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Nothing is going to save us. We'll get Biden and stumble until next summer finally getting it under control or we get this clown for four more and it's just Rome on fire forever. Even with Biden we've lost so much.


Rome got us all of the Romance languages and the Enlightenment...eventually.

/get ready to start talking faster
 
2020-08-04 12:29:30 AM  
Trump is not even the first GOP president to ignore a pandemic.  Reagan ignored HIV pandemic for years and watched people die and the GOP praise him on high.  Trump is not an anomaly in the GOP he is literally just more of the same.
 
2020-08-04 12:36:29 AM  
"Every lie we tell incurs a debt to the truth. Sooner or later that debt is paid".

Chernobyl (2019) (HBO) - How does an RBMK reactor explodes? Lies ! Vichnaya Pamyat - Episode 5
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2020-08-04 12:47:23 AM  

Conthan: "Every lie we tell incurs a debt to the truth. Sooner or later that debt is paid".

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Yeah. I've been thinking about that since the end of March.
 
2020-08-04 12:49:42 AM  

Conthan: "Every lie we tell incurs a debt to the truth. Sooner or later that debt is paid".


FSM I wish that were a universal truth.

t'aint

/no taint jokes! >:-|
//ok just a couple
 
2020-08-04 12:53:04 AM  
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2020-08-04 12:59:10 AM  

dstanley: I'm not subscribing to finish the story.


Try stopping the down-load right at the beginning when the page starts loading.
 
2020-08-04 1:42:23 AM  
What's absolutely amazing is that there's been zero deaths in the rest of the world, like none, nada, whereas here in the United States all our deaths are directly the fault of one Donald J. Trump.

/Democrats really believe this.
 
2020-08-04 1:43:25 AM  
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2020-08-04 1:55:22 AM  

Alien Robot: What's absolutely amazing is that there's been zero deaths in the rest of the world, like none, nada, whereas here in the United States all our deaths are directly the fault of one Donald J. Trump.

/Democrats really believe this.


Of course there have been deaths in other parts of the world. Vietnam (next door to China, population about 95 million) has now had 7 people die from the disease. Way more than zero.
 
2020-08-04 1:57:24 AM  

Alien Robot: What's absolutely amazing is that there's been zero deaths in the rest of the world, like none, nada, whereas here in the United States all our deaths are directly the fault of one Donald J. Trump.

/Democrats really believe this.


Are you hearing voices in your head again?
 
2020-08-04 2:07:05 AM  

Paddy: Alien Robot: What's absolutely amazing is that there's been zero deaths in the rest of the world, like none, nada, whereas here in the United States all our deaths are directly the fault of one Donald J. Trump.

/Democrats really believe this.

Are you hearing voices in your head again?


No, they're outside now.
 
2020-08-04 2:10:00 AM  
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2020-08-04 2:24:25 AM  
Love it! thanks for the essay!
 
2020-08-04 2:47:46 AM  

Alien Robot: What's absolutely amazing is that there's been zero deaths in the rest of the world, like none, nada, whereas here in the United States all our deaths are directly the fault of one Donald J. Trump.

/Democrats really believe this.


So what kind of brain damage do you have that renders you unable to see things except in ridiculous extremes? Or was it just an abusive childhood?
 
2020-08-04 3:05:28 AM  
Here is what I get out of the article: As the result of Mankind tampering with Mother Nature, the masses are at risk from Mother Nature asserting her authority.

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The author's article gets one thing wrong.
The IPCC is as much in denial about Mother Nature as anyone else.
The IPCC gives the public the impression that climate change is 100%
man-made and thus can be permanently ended if only Mankind did certain things.

The article's author reveals the cause of the IPCC's error with this statement:
"But one might also think of the remarkable effort involved in stabilizing an institution such as the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change as a global authority in mapping the climate emergency. It involves a tireless and massive effort of scientific politics."

The expression "scientific politics" is an oxymoron.
Science is supposed to tell us "what is" regardless of what politicians want.
When politicians control what science says to the public, the "what is" is watered down to whatever is politically satisfying.

It is politically satisfying to imply (if not outright claim) that Mankind started climate change and thus can stop it.

As the article's author states, "Another response with which we have become all too familiar in the contemporary United States is a retreat from the vertiginous whirl of self-reflexive rationality toward new taboos, superstition, rigidification, and denial."

It has become taboo to acknowledge the natural climate change of the past and the natural climate change of the future.

The "what is" revealed by scientific findings is this:
A graph of Earth's climate history resembles a roller coaster, not a hockey stick,
and eventually the roller coaster will rise higher and higher because of the Sun.

Yes, Mankind has been helping to push the roller coaster higher.
Mankind may have even prevented another Ice Age from occurring.
Still, any slowing of climate change through the curtailing of Human activity
will, in the long run, be temporary.

Granted, I am giving the long view scientifically speaking.
The masses don't necessarily consider the long view.
Politicians and industrialists especially don't.

Today's generations can proclaim that the volcano that we live on won't erupt for a million years,
but they err by pretending that the volcano won't erupt at all.
 
2020-08-04 8:11:33 AM  
This article doesn't say anything about tax cuts and subsidies to the holy job creators. Burn this blasphemous filth at once.
 
2020-08-04 8:51:36 AM  

Kubo: Written in 2018, this reads like COVID prophecy in the US.

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I highly recommend this one. It's a great read on how the rise of Trumperism has been in the making since the beginning of America.
 
2020-08-04 8:59:29 AM  

Alien Robot: What's absolutely amazing is that there's been zero deaths in the rest of the world, like none, nada, whereas here in the United States all our deaths are directly the fault of one Donald J. Trump.

/Democrats really believe this.


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2020-08-04 9:00:05 AM  

Alien Robot: What's absolutely amazing is that there's been zero deaths in the rest of the world, like none, nada, whereas here in the United States all our deaths are directly the fault of one Donald J. Trump.

/Democrats really believe this.


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2020-08-04 9:01:56 AM  

standardeviation: Kubo: Written in 2018, this reads like COVID prophecy in the US.

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I highly recommend this one. It's a great read on how the rise of Trumperism has been in the making since the beginning of America.


Thanks! The Fifth Risk was terrifying, but I'm ready for more. Honestly, connecting these dots as to how everything went so pear-shaped is good. Critical to know if we're going to somehow get out of this self-perpetuating cycle of derp.
 
2020-08-04 9:02:25 AM  

standardeviation: Kubo: Written in 2018, this reads like COVID prophecy in the US.

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I highly recommend this one. It's a great read on how the rise of Trumperism has been in the making since the beginning of America.


Also, Nothing Is True and Everything Is Possible. About how Russia changed under Putin and specifically how the media was used to keep the population under control.
 
2020-08-04 9:04:45 AM  

ansius: Twilight Farkle: dstanley: I'm not subscribing to finish the story.

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I didn't have to subscribe to finish. It's a long read but worth it.

The interesting thing is the central idea that the average citizen struggles to appreciate the scale and extent of the risk as a professional does or an expert does.

And I think this is why conspiracy theories are so powerful now - they reduce multifactorial, multinational, and multi agent problems down to a simple narrative for people.


The kinds of decisions most people have experience with are the ones they're most comfortable making. And those tend to be relatively benign 'yes/no' or 'select from a small array of options where the outcomes are all relatively similar'. Think ordering a sandwich, most people are comfortable with that level of decision making and will try to reduce complex or risky problems to the level of decision making they're comfortable with.
 
2020-08-04 9:39:38 AM  

Alien Robot: What's absolutely amazing is that there's been zero deaths in the rest of the world, like none, nada, whereas here in the United States all our deaths are directly the fault of one Donald J. Trump.

/Democrats really believe this.


You don't even believe Democrats believe that.
 
2020-08-04 11:18:30 AM  

Kubo: Written in 2018, this reads like COVID prophecy in the US.

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I just finished reading "The 5th Risk" recently.
I was surprised how much I learned about the inner workings of the government and how misnamed everything is.
 
2020-08-04 3:07:35 PM  

Alien Robot: What's absolutely amazing is that there's been zero deaths in the rest of the world, like none, nada, whereas here in the United States all our deaths are directly the fault of one Donald J. Trump.

/Democrats really believe this.


No, they don't. And you know that the people reading FARK know Dems don't believe that.

All you're doing with this shiatty trolling is showing that it isn't possible to defend Trump through rational argument, and you're really stupid. You're either so stupid that you believe the nonsense your not-even-very-good propaganda sells you, or so stupid that you think making you look that stupid is a good plan.
 
2020-08-04 4:46:03 PM  

No1farker: Trump is not even the first GOP president to ignore a pandemic.  Reagan ignored HIV pandemic for years and watched people die and the GOP praise him on high.  Trump is not an anomaly in the GOP he is literally just more of the same.


More of the same but turned up a few extra notches. I'd rather have Regan. At least he knew when to quit.
 
2020-08-05 12:14:39 AM  

Clarence Brown: Alien Robot: What's absolutely amazing is that there's been zero deaths in the rest of the world, like none, nada, whereas here in the United States all our deaths are directly the fault of one Donald J. Trump.

/Democrats really believe this.

No, they don't. And you know that the people reading FARK know Dems don't believe that.

All you're doing with this shiatty trolling is showing that it isn't possible to defend Trump through rational argument, and you're really stupid. You're either so stupid that you believe the nonsense your not-even-very-good propaganda sells you, or so stupid that you think making you look that stupid is a good plan.


If a tree falls in a forest...

So you believe it but won't state it. Right. Tell me another.
 
2020-08-05 6:12:52 AM  

Alien Robot: Clarence Brown: Alien Robot: What's absolutely amazing is that there's been zero deaths in the rest of the world, like none, nada, whereas here in the United States all our deaths are directly the fault of one Donald J. Trump.

/Democrats really believe this.

No, they don't. And you know that the people reading FARK know Dems don't believe that.

All you're doing with this shiatty trolling is showing that it isn't possible to defend Trump through rational argument, and you're really stupid. You're either so stupid that you believe the nonsense your not-even-very-good propaganda sells you, or so stupid that you think making you look that stupid is a good plan.

If a tree falls in a forest...

So you believe it but won't state it. Right. Tell me another.


Just when I think you've hit bottom on being stupid and saying stupid things, you go deeper. This one did make me laugh, though. So at least you're getting funny.
 
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