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2020-08-03 9:09:45 PM  
Because Americans asking their own government for the full weight of rights and protection serves exactly which foreign power?
 
2020-08-03 9:09:47 PM  
FTA

An intelligence report obtained exclusively by The Nation mentions several Americans,

Yeah, I stopped reading right there.
 
2020-08-03 10:29:14 PM  
The whole point is to get antifa declared a foreign terrorist organization so they can lose the Hamdi case again.

It's unlikely to happen before the election, though I could see them pushing it through in the lame duck period.
 
2020-08-04 12:07:51 AM  
"...including a left-wing podcast host who traveled to Syria to fight ISIS ..."

That's against our interests now?

Tell you what, why not go after those associated with Russians?
 
2020-08-04 1:09:40 AM  
Am I a terrorist now?
Gotta update my business cards.

CG
Luthier, musician, TERRORIST, scientific advisor, man of leisure
1-900-555-1234

I need a phone.
 
2020-08-04 1:09:51 AM  
Joseph McCarthy would be proud.
 
2020-08-04 1:12:46 AM  

edmo: "...including a left-wing podcast host who traveled to Syria to fight ISIS ..."

That's against our interests now?

Tell you what, why not go after those associated with Russians?


Erdogan hates the YPG .
 
2020-08-04 1:14:52 AM  
I submitted an application to be a paid protester for Hillary back in 2015. I'm not falling for this 'Antifa is a real organization' trick again
 
2020-08-04 1:16:52 AM  

crotchgrabber: Am I a terrorist now?
Gotta update my business cards.

CG
Luthier, musician, TERRORIST, scientific advisor, man of leisure
1-900-555-1234

I need a phone.


Oh the stories we're gonna be able to tell. . .
 
2020-08-04 1:19:14 AM  
I think the Scorpions showed everyone they were the real agents of foreign power with their hit "Rock you like a hurrikan" in 1984.
 
2020-08-04 1:19:22 AM  

hubiestubert: Because Americans asking their own government for the full weight of rights and protection serves exactly which foreign power?


Canadians.

It's the fault of our polite northern overlords.

Next they'll be agitating for us to start being polite and to have a Timmy's on every corner.
 
2020-08-04 1:20:33 AM  
On May 31, Trump vowed to designate antifa a "terrorist organization." While antifa groups have engaged in acts of property destruction, antifa has not been linked to a single murder in the United States, according to data compiled in the past 25 years by the Center for Strategic and International Studies. By contrast, the same data found that far-right extremist groups had killed 329 people.

Huh. Well, well, well. Maybe someone should look into those murders and what organizations are behind them.
 
2020-08-04 1:30:24 AM  

hubiestubert: Because Americans asking their own government for the full weight of rights and protection serves exactly which foreign power?


Democracy is foreign to Trump.
 
2020-08-04 1:32:55 AM  
Let me guess. Is the "foreign power" a Hungarian Jew?
 
2020-08-04 1:33:28 AM  
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This is what the FBI and DHS have always done. In the 1960s, the FBI tried saying that the Civil Rights Movement had strong ties to the Soviet Union.
 
2020-08-04 1:48:28 AM  

andrewagill: The whole point is to get antifa declared a foreign terrorist organization so they can lose the Hamdi case again.

It's unlikely to happen before the election, though I could see them pushing it through in the lame duck period.


The whole point is to tie them to a nation, state, or organization associated with the 9/11 attacks, so that the president may bring to bear whatever military force he deems necessary to eliminate the threat.

That is legal.  The order to attack those people would be a legal order.

Anyone that thought the USA PATRIOT act was bad never bothered to read the two paragraphs that make up the AUMF of 2001.  Which is still the law.
 
2020-08-04 1:50:10 AM  
Aren't they the "citizens of the world" types? I identify that way rather than as an American, the latter being quite embarrassing in the modern age. Unfortunately for Mr Trump, "the world" isn't a foreign power you can blame so much as a liberal, globalist ethos.
 
2020-08-04 1:52:19 AM  
Sure. Add my name to another farcking list. Whatever.

/ As if being Gen-ex wasn't "damning" enough.
 
2020-08-04 1:54:25 AM  
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2020-08-04 1:54:41 AM  

Rent Party: andrewagill: The whole point is to get antifa declared a foreign terrorist organization so they can lose the Hamdi case again.

It's unlikely to happen before the election, though I could see them pushing it through in the lame duck period.

The whole point is to tie them to a nation, state, or organization associated with the 9/11 attacks, so that the president may bring to bear whatever military force he deems necessary to eliminate the threat.

That is legal.  The order to attack those people would be a legal order.

Anyone that thought the USA PATRIOT act was bad never bothered to read the two paragraphs that make up the AUMF of 2001.  Which is still the law.


Thanks, that will play first billing in my nightmares tonight.

You may have legitimately described how the second Civil War starts, because that is a plausible use of the military against the populace, and it would not go unanswered.
 
2020-08-04 2:01:55 AM  

God's Hobo Penis: Rent Party: andrewagill: The whole point is to get antifa declared a foreign terrorist organization so they can lose the Hamdi case again.

It's unlikely to happen before the election, though I could see them pushing it through in the lame duck period.

The whole point is to tie them to a nation, state, or organization associated with the 9/11 attacks, so that the president may bring to bear whatever military force he deems necessary to eliminate the threat.

That is legal.  The order to attack those people would be a legal order.

Anyone that thought the USA PATRIOT act was bad never bothered to read the two paragraphs that make up the AUMF of 2001.  Which is still the law.

Thanks, that will play first billing in my nightmares tonight.

You may have legitimately described how the second Civil War starts, because that is a plausible use of the military against the populace, and it would not go unanswered.


I would like to think it would not go unanswered, but that is putting a lot of faith into something that has never happened in the history of humanity.

What has happened, over and over again, is that 1/3 watch while another 1/3 murders the remaining 1/3.   When the Einsatzgruppenrolled into towns they didn't do a whole lot of murdering themselves.  Instead, they had the local police and militias do it for them.

You take a look at what happened in Portland and ask yourself "If Trump had been able to use the AUMF here and bring in live ammunition, would the local police have tried to prevent it, or would they have provided traffic control for the American Einsatzgrupen?"
 
2020-08-04 2:07:44 AM  

Rent Party: God's Hobo Penis: Rent Party: andrewagill: The whole point is to get antifa declared a foreign terrorist organization so they can lose the Hamdi case again.

It's unlikely to happen before the election, though I could see them pushing it through in the lame duck period.

The whole point is to tie them to a nation, state, or organization associated with the 9/11 attacks, so that the president may bring to bear whatever military force he deems necessary to eliminate the threat.

That is legal.  The order to attack those people would be a legal order.

Anyone that thought the USA PATRIOT act was bad never bothered to read the two paragraphs that make up the AUMF of 2001.  Which is still the law.

Thanks, that will play first billing in my nightmares tonight.

You may have legitimately described how the second Civil War starts, because that is a plausible use of the military against the populace, and it would not go unanswered.

I would like to think it would not go unanswered, but that is putting a lot of faith into something that has never happened in the history of humanity.

What has happened, over and over again, is that 1/3 watch while another 1/3 murders the remaining 1/3.   When the Einsatzgruppenrolled into towns they didn't do a whole lot of murdering themselves.  Instead, they had the local police and militias do it for them.

You take a look at what happened in Portland and ask yourself "If Trump had been able to use the AUMF here and bring in live ammunition, would the local police have tried to prevent it, or would they have provided traffic control for the American Einsatzgrupen?"


Portland PD would have licked each mag before handing it off to the feds for a reload.
 
2020-08-04 2:09:27 AM  

Rent Party: God's Hobo Penis: Rent Party: andrewagill: The whole point is to get antifa declared a foreign terrorist organization so they can lose the Hamdi case again.

It's unlikely to happen before the election, though I could see them pushing it through in the lame duck period.

The whole point is to tie them to a nation, state, or organization associated with the 9/11 attacks, so that the president may bring to bear whatever military force he deems necessary to eliminate the threat.

That is legal.  The order to attack those people would be a legal order.

Anyone that thought the USA PATRIOT act was bad never bothered to read the two paragraphs that make up the AUMF of 2001.  Which is still the law.

Thanks, that will play first billing in my nightmares tonight.

You may have legitimately described how the second Civil War starts, because that is a plausible use of the military against the populace, and it would not go unanswered.

I would like to think it would not go unanswered, but that is putting a lot of faith into something that has never happened in the history of humanity.

What has happened, over and over again, is that 1/3 watch while another 1/3 murders the remaining 1/3.   When the Einsatzgruppenrolled into towns they didn't do a whole lot of murdering themselves.  Instead, they had the local police and militias do it for them.

You take a look at what happened in Portland and ask yourself "If Trump had been able to use the AUMF here and bring in live ammunition, would the local police have tried to prevent it, or would they have provided traffic control for the American Einsatzgrupen?"


Police are there to do the paperwork. They don't stop crimes in progress. You're damn right they would just handle traffic duties and would then come out and put those little evidence numbers by shell casings and dead bodies and fill out dubious and partially accurate police reports.

Though if live ammunition were used there wouldn't have been 60 days of protests.  I don't think too many white hipsters believe in BLM strongly enough that they're willing to die for it, and just like I always tell the gun nuts, individual civilians are no match for trained agents with military firepower.
 
2020-08-04 2:15:13 AM  
FTA: The first individual mentioned in the intelligence report, Brace Belden, cohosts the popular left-wing podcast TrueAnon, and fought with the YPG in 2016. The information appears to be partly drawn from a 2017 article on Belden in Rolling Stone. Belden is described as "a minor criminal and drug addict who started reading Marx and Lenin in drug rehabilitation treatment and became involved in a number of political causes before deciding to fight alongside the YPG."

A person does not simply read Das Kapital and suddenly gain the skillset to go fight ISIS. What's he gonna do, bore them to death with long passages about commodity surpluses in Prussia? Something is missing from this biography, and something is included that is irrelevant.
 
2020-08-04 2:19:00 AM  

Shaggy_C: Though if live ammunition were used there wouldn't have been 60 days of protests.  I don't think too many white hipsters believe in BLM strongly enough that they're willing to die for it,


Excuse me? What were all those arrests during Covid  supposed to be? How about those moms being held for bail last week? I am sure you saw the same live video I watched every night for 2 weeks -- I think you were in the Fark threads. We spent a month talking about choosing to stay home or choosing to risk Covid. I don't recall anyone downplaying the risk.
 
2020-08-04 2:33:37 AM  

Bennie Crabtree: Shaggy_C: Though if live ammunition were used there wouldn't have been 60 days of protests.  I don't think too many white hipsters believe in BLM strongly enough that they're willing to die for it,

Excuse me? What were all those arrests during Covid  supposed to be? How about those moms being held for bail last week? I am sure you saw the same live video I watched every night for 2 weeks -- I think you were in the Fark threads. We spent a month talking about choosing to stay home or choosing to risk Covid. I don't recall anyone downplaying the risk.


If given the choice of possibly becoming infected by a disease that could kill you at a rate of 1/100 versus standing in front of a hail of bullets, which are you going to choose?

That's not a realistic comparison.
 
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2020-08-04 7:06:37 AM  
Don't worry. Americans are too smart to let foreign powers influence our decision making.
Well, except for Putin. That guy runs Trump Org.
 
2020-08-04 7:18:31 AM  
If they do not knock it off and they keep attacking Americans, this will lead to a civil war.

I do not think they understand this.
 
2020-08-04 7:28:22 AM  

Shaggy_C: Rent Party: God's Hobo Penis: Rent Party: andrewagill: The whole point is to get antifa declared a foreign terrorist organization so they can lose the Hamdi case again.

It's unlikely to happen before the election, though I could see them pushing it through in the lame duck period.

The whole point is to tie them to a nation, state, or organization associated with the 9/11 attacks, so that the president may bring to bear whatever military force he deems necessary to eliminate the threat.

That is legal.  The order to attack those people would be a legal order.

Anyone that thought the USA PATRIOT act was bad never bothered to read the two paragraphs that make up the AUMF of 2001.  Which is still the law.

Thanks, that will play first billing in my nightmares tonight.

You may have legitimately described how the second Civil War starts, because that is a plausible use of the military against the populace, and it would not go unanswered.

I would like to think it would not go unanswered, but that is putting a lot of faith into something that has never happened in the history of humanity.

What has happened, over and over again, is that 1/3 watch while another 1/3 murders the remaining 1/3.   When the Einsatzgruppenrolled into towns they didn't do a whole lot of murdering themselves.  Instead, they had the local police and militias do it for them.

You take a look at what happened in Portland and ask yourself "If Trump had been able to use the AUMF here and bring in live ammunition, would the local police have tried to prevent it, or would they have provided traffic control for the American Einsatzgrupen?"

Police are there to do the paperwork. They don't stop crimes in progress. You're damn right they would just handle traffic duties and would then come out and put those little evidence numbers by shell casings and dead bodies and fill out dubious and partially accurate police reports.

Though if live ammunition were used there wouldn't have been 60 days of protests.  I don't think too many white hipsters believe in BLM strongly enough that they're willing to die for it, and just like I always tell the gun nuts, individual civilians are no match for trained agents with military firepower.


"individual civilians are no match for trained agents with military firepower."

What are you talking about?

Because if you are saying we will not answer a threat against American citizens because we are no match?

I only regret that I have but one life to lose for my country.
 
2020-08-04 8:12:19 AM  
I'd be surprised if there aren't agent of foreign powers among the protesters, most of them aren't though.
 
2020-08-04 9:11:38 AM  

yagottabefarkinkiddinme: "individual civilians are no match for trained agents with military firepower."

What are you talking about?

Because if you are saying we will not answer a threat against American citizens because we are no match?

I only regret that I have but one life to lose for my country.


Why don't you go read up on how the Civil War in Bosnia progressed back in the 1990s. The Rambo-types who decided they would go and fight the government-backed forces at the onset were not the ones who survived it.

You want to stupidly throw your life away for "your country", go for it. Just one favour, can I be the beneficiary on your life insurance ?
 
2020-08-04 9:20:49 AM  
Well he sounds an awful lot like Putin there.
 
2020-08-04 9:49:41 AM  
Trump still thinks DHS is a truck company that delivers stuff.

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2020-08-04 10:13:59 AM  
When you work for the russian mafia, Americans standing up for their rights ARE foreign agents.
 
2020-08-04 3:01:33 PM  
The protestors are people of principle.

That's very foreign for Trump.
 
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