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2020-08-03 11:46:14 AM  
The most amusing part of that article is conservatives championing George Orwell as a defense against socialists.

Reading 1984 without reading everything he wrote up to that point is like taking a helicopter to the top of Mount Everest instead of climbing.  You might end up in the same place, but you miss out on a hell of a journey.
 
2020-08-03 12:23:38 PM  
A distinction without a difference.  They are defending Trump when they attack his critics.  They choose that tactic instead of directly supporting him.  It saves them from getting inevitably tangled up in his crazy nonsense, racism, fascism, etc.  But the intent and the result are the same.
 
2020-08-03 1:06:57 PM  
It's like Seinfeld without the humor or gravitas.
 
2020-08-03 1:24:32 PM  

edmo: It's like Seinfeld without the humor or gravitas.


I've found myself saying this quite a bit over the past few years:  "If this were on the Simpsons we'd regard it as satire."
 
2020-08-03 1:53:36 PM  
Whatever Ben Shapiro is for, I'll be on the other side, thankyouverymuch
 
2020-08-03 1:57:16 PM  
Saw this in an alley downtown.

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2020-08-03 2:31:25 PM  
Do they think people out there actually have a scorecard, and decide to vote for based on how many zingers each side got in?

Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to go over and hang out on reddit for a while.
 
2020-08-03 2:33:33 PM  

FrancoFile: Do they think people out there actually have a scorecard, and decide to vote for based on how many zingers each side got in?

Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to go over and hang out on reddit for a while.


Dear God man.  Please reconsider!  You have a family.  it's not worth it!
 
2020-08-03 2:33:54 PM  

edmo: Saw this in an alley downtown.

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That's actually more offensive than the F-word they covered up with it.
 
2020-08-03 2:35:08 PM  
Yes, I do think they are all liars, traitors, rapist, child molesters and amoral filth who should be expunged from humanity.

I feel so owned.
 
2020-08-03 2:35:12 PM  
I've been working on a "Know Your Republican" Venn diagram. Still a rough draft, and happy to take suggestions:

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2020-08-03 2:35:27 PM  

Thank You Black Jesus!: FrancoFile: Do they think people out there actually have a scorecard, and decide to vote for based on how many zingers each side got in?

Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to go over and hang out on reddit for a while.

Dear God man.  Please reconsider!  You have a family.  it's not worth it!


R/blackpeopletwitter is great
 
2020-08-03 2:36:47 PM  
When you have decided that politics cannot deliver preferred policy (or that policies continually don't have the effect you want them to have) what benefit do you derive from politics? At that point negative partisanship is the ONLY thing holding the coalition together: we aren't here to actually get anything done, just to win and rub our eternal foes' noses in it.

And it is an effective political message.
 
2020-08-03 2:39:40 PM  

Grungehamster: When you have decided that politics cannot deliver preferred policy (or that policies continually don't have the effect you want them to have) what benefit do you derive from politics? At that point negative partisanship is the ONLY thing holding the coalition together: we aren't here to actually get anything done, just to win and rub our eternal foes' noses in it.

And it is an effective political message.


That's been Trump and his supporters' tactic this whole time. "Own The Libs".  Or make them crazy.  There's no interest in being truthful or accurate, it's designed to incur rage.  And wow does it seem to work.
 
2020-08-03 2:40:00 PM  
But don't say anything mean. Then they will get angry and vote for Trump.

Face it, we're in a warm civil war. And it's about time to recognize it and realize that it's likely only going to get hotter.
 
2020-08-03 2:43:24 PM  

Super Chronic: I've been working on a "Know Your Republican" Venn diagram. Still a rough draft, and happy to take suggestions:

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*yoink*
 
2020-08-03 2:45:37 PM  
imagine how awful as human beings these people are, to not care that they're destroying everything around them, including the future for themselves and their families, just because they're frightened ignorant hateful twat hammers
 
2020-08-03 2:50:26 PM  

Super Chronic: I've been working on a "Know Your Republican" Venn diagram. Still a rough draft, and happy to take suggestions:

[Fark user image 684x603]


You must be a right wing sommelier with that diagram.

"There was a hint of dopishness with Jim Jordan that was present in a mix of his amoral bomb throwing that I detected."
 
2020-08-03 2:51:34 PM  

I'm an Egyptian!: But don't say anything mean. Then they will get angry and vote for Trump.

Face it, we're in a warm civil war. And it's about time to recognize it and realize that it's likely only going to get hotter.


Fark that, I'm turning up the heat in their STIGGINIT flame war.
 
2020-08-03 2:55:13 PM  

Super Chronic: I've been working on a "Know Your Republican" Venn diagram. Still a rough draft, and happy to take suggestions:

[Fark user image 684x603]


I should add, in the spirit of "happy to take suggestions": as much as I wanted to fit Matt Gaetz in there, I was simply out of room in the Jordan/Wohl region, unless I reshape things or go to a smaller font. Similarly, Louie Gohmert would be tough to squeeze in next to Michele Bachmann and Mike Huckabee. Tom DeLay would be just another name for the Cheney/Manafort region, although I could make him fit. I'd be interested in name suggestions for the more open real estate.
 
2020-08-03 3:03:24 PM  

Super Chronic: Super Chronic: I've been working on a "Know Your Republican" Venn diagram. Still a rough draft, and happy to take suggestions:

[Fark user image 684x603]

I should add, in the spirit of "happy to take suggestions": as much as I wanted to fit Matt Gaetz in there, I was simply out of room in the Jordan/Wohl region, unless I reshape things or go to a smaller font. Similarly, Louie Gohmert would be tough to squeeze in next to Michele Bachmann and Mike Huckabee. Tom DeLay would be just another name for the Cheney/Manafort region, although I could make him fit. I'd be interested in name suggestions for the more open real estate.


One problem is that adjacent spaces can overlap without touching others, but opposites cannot.  It creates a little discord.  For example, Richard Nixon is listed as amoral only.  He was as racist as anyone (listen to his tapes) although it may not have come through in his policies.  But you can't have amoral and racist touch without either going through angry partisan bomb throwers or dopes, which Nixon certainly was not.  Not sure how to fix this. Great effort though.
 
2020-08-03 3:07:06 PM  

Tomfoolery Rules Over Logical Living: Super Chronic: Super Chronic: I've been working on a "Know Your Republican" Venn diagram. Still a rough draft, and happy to take suggestions:

[Fark user image 684x603]

I should add, in the spirit of "happy to take suggestions": as much as I wanted to fit Matt Gaetz in there, I was simply out of room in the Jordan/Wohl region, unless I reshape things or go to a smaller font. Similarly, Louie Gohmert would be tough to squeeze in next to Michele Bachmann and Mike Huckabee. Tom DeLay would be just another name for the Cheney/Manafort region, although I could make him fit. I'd be interested in name suggestions for the more open real estate.

One problem is that adjacent spaces can overlap without touching others, but opposites cannot.  It creates a little discord.  For example, Richard Nixon is listed as amoral only.  He was as racist as anyone (listen to his tapes) although it may not have come through in his policies.  But you can't have amoral and racist touch without either going through angry partisan bomb throwers or dopes, which Nixon certainly was not.  Not sure how to fix this. Great effort though.


I'd add Tucker Carlson to the Donald Trump center square.
 
2020-08-03 3:07:30 PM  
"there's a real fear on the right, especially I would say from Christians, of what the country would look like under a Democratic president."

Is that really an authentic fear, tho?? - I mean, 2008>2016 wasn't really that long ago - and they were pretty good times, if I remember. And the VP from that administration is at the top of the Democratic ticket.authentic

So, I think they think that they're slick in trying to disown Trump and stump for him at the same time. Like some Farkers we know.
 
2020-08-03 3:07:56 PM  

Super Chronic: Super Chronic: I've been working on a "Know Your Republican" Venn diagram. Still a rough draft, and happy to take suggestions:

[Fark user image 684x603]

I should add, in the spirit of "happy to take suggestions": as much as I wanted to fit Matt Gaetz in there, I was simply out of room in the Jordan/Wohl region, unless I reshape things or go to a smaller font. Similarly, Louie Gohmert would be tough to squeeze in next to Michele Bachmann and Mike Huckabee. Tom DeLay would be just another name for the Cheney/Manafort region, although I could make him fit. I'd be interested in name suggestions for the more open real estate.


Move Sessions to sole position of racists/nativists and put Bill Barr in the intersection of amoral and bomb thrower.
 
2020-08-03 3:16:06 PM  

Super Chronic: I've been working on a "Know Your Republican" Venn diagram. Still a rough draft, and happy to take suggestions:

[Fark user image 684x603]


(References are to where the names are now, not where I suggest they should go)

Wohl is such a fringe loon I'd hesitate to include him on there. Years ago there was a movie called UHF- he's the modern day UHF of political commentators... I'd even bet Fark commentators are taken more seriously than him (ok, stop laughing).

Reagan is a tough one. I almost believe he belongs in the Roger Stone box. Granted in his later years he was in decline, but he was not a dope, especially in his earlier years; he was a very savvy political figure, even if you don't agree with his standing.

Nixon is another one that I should be slightly out of that box- he did have the intelligence to realize it was time to go, and he had his moments of launching shrapnal, so I think he should be at the intersection with Partisan Bomb Throwers.

I'd put Kushner squarely in Proudly Amoral; put Don Jr, Eric, and Ivanka in his place.

Pence - I'd put him in the box with Ronald Reagan. He's mostly a Xenophobe, but also a Dope and Immoral.

Neil Gorsch - not sure

His dingbat press secretary (for clarification, the current one) - Same box as Palin
 
2020-08-03 3:16:15 PM  

Tomfoolery Rules Over Logical Living: Super Chronic: Super Chronic: I've been working on a "Know Your Republican" Venn diagram. Still a rough draft, and happy to take suggestions:

[Fark user image 684x603]

I should add, in the spirit of "happy to take suggestions": as much as I wanted to fit Matt Gaetz in there, I was simply out of room in the Jordan/Wohl region, unless I reshape things or go to a smaller font. Similarly, Louie Gohmert would be tough to squeeze in next to Michele Bachmann and Mike Huckabee. Tom DeLay would be just another name for the Cheney/Manafort region, although I could make him fit. I'd be interested in name suggestions for the more open real estate.

One problem is that adjacent spaces can overlap without touching others, but opposites cannot.  It creates a little discord.  For example, Richard Nixon is listed as amoral only.  He was as racist as anyone (listen to his tapes) although it may not have come through in his policies.  But you can't have amoral and racist touch without either going through angry partisan bomb throwers or dopes, which Nixon certainly was not.  Not sure how to fix this. Great effort though.


You're right. I couldn't figure this out either. The good thing is that Dopes tend to present as pleasant personalities -- phrases like "sunny disposition," "guy you'd like to have a beer with," and "hockey mom" are regularly used -- so it makes sense to have it on the opposite end from the Angry Partisan Bomb Throwers. But, arguably, Dan Quayle could have fit in both categories (what with the whole Murphy Brown culture war thing). And you're absolutely correct that I couldn't solve the Nixon conundrum.

I could squeeze it tighter, but then it gets even more cluttered.
 
2020-08-03 3:19:07 PM  

Super Chronic: Tomfoolery Rules Over Logical Living: Super Chronic: Super Chronic: I've been working on a "Know Your Republican" Venn diagram. Still a rough draft, and happy to take suggestions:

[Fark user image 684x603]

I should add, in the spirit of "happy to take suggestions": as much as I wanted to fit Matt Gaetz in there, I was simply out of room in the Jordan/Wohl region, unless I reshape things or go to a smaller font. Similarly, Louie Gohmert would be tough to squeeze in next to Michele Bachmann and Mike Huckabee. Tom DeLay would be just another name for the Cheney/Manafort region, although I could make him fit. I'd be interested in name suggestions for the more open real estate.

One problem is that adjacent spaces can overlap without touching others, but opposites cannot.  It creates a little discord.  For example, Richard Nixon is listed as amoral only.  He was as racist as anyone (listen to his tapes) although it may not have come through in his policies.  But you can't have amoral and racist touch without either going through angry partisan bomb throwers or dopes, which Nixon certainly was not.  Not sure how to fix this. Great effort though.

You're right. I couldn't figure this out either. The good thing is that Dopes tend to present as pleasant personalities -- phrases like "sunny disposition," "guy you'd like to have a beer with," and "hockey mom" are regularly used -- so it makes sense to have it on the opposite end from the Angry Partisan Bomb Throwers. But, arguably, Dan Quayle could have fit in both categories (what with the whole Murphy Brown culture war thing). And you're absolutely correct that I couldn't solve the Nixon conundrum.

I could squeeze it tighter, but then it gets even more cluttered.


Put Nixon in the box with Roger Stone then
 
2020-08-03 3:25:03 PM  

edmo: Saw this in an alley downtown.

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That's remarkably honest, if brutally deplorable. Have fun hanging with the face eating leopards, stucker dude.
 
2020-08-03 3:26:59 PM  

Tomfoolery Rules Over Logical Living: Super Chronic: Super Chronic: I've been working on a "Know Your Republican" Venn diagram. Still a rough draft, and happy to take suggestions:

[Fark user image 684x603]

I should add, in the spirit of "happy to take suggestions": as much as I wanted to fit Matt Gaetz in there, I was simply out of room in the Jordan/Wohl region, unless I reshape things or go to a smaller font. Similarly, Louie Gohmert would be tough to squeeze in next to Michele Bachmann and Mike Huckabee. Tom DeLay would be just another name for the Cheney/Manafort region, although I could make him fit. I'd be interested in name suggestions for the more open real estate.

One problem is that adjacent spaces can overlap without touching others, but opposites cannot.  It creates a little discord.  For example, Richard Nixon is listed as amoral only.  He was as racist as anyone (listen to his tapes) although it may not have come through in his policies.  But you can't have amoral and racist touch without either going through angry partisan bomb throwers or dopes, which Nixon certainly was not.  Not sure how to fix this. Great effort though.



Could you swap the positions of APBT and Racists without creating too much difficulty?

Also...  smaller font.

You need to fit in Gaetz, Gohmert!, and Nunes.
 
2020-08-03 3:28:38 PM  

Mentat: The most amusing part of that article is conservatives championing George Orwell as a defense against socialists.

Reading 1984 without reading everything he wrote up to that point is like taking a helicopter to the top of Mount Everest instead of climbing.  You might end up in the same place, but you miss out on a hell of a journey.


George Orwell in Why I Write:

"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, againsttotalitarianism and fordemocratic Socialism, as I understand it"

Words are meaningless to conservatives.  They're like Star Trek's Yangs, mindlessly reciting stuff they can't begin to comprehend.
 
2020-08-03 5:32:44 PM  

Blathering Idjut: George Orwell in Why I Write:

"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, againsttotalitarianism and fordemocratic Socialism, as I understand it"

Words are meaningless to conservatives. They're like Star Trek's Yangs, mindlessly reciting stuff they can't begin to comprehend.


It's funny reading critique of Orwell through the ages.  I found an old book of essays from the 70's critiquing Orwell and all the lefties hated him.  Once Reagan took office, Orwell became a left wing darling until Janet Reno started shooting up Waco.  The Left took him back after 9/11 and we started getting departments named "Homeland Security", and now the Right is trying to reclaim him.
 
2020-08-03 6:42:34 PM  
Blazing Saddles trifecta in play?
 
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