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2020-08-03 4:41:52 AM  
Well, it's a free job market. If he wants to price himself out of a job, that might be a good choice for him.
 
2020-08-03 4:56:43 AM  
He's the police chief of Meth-You-On?
 
2020-08-03 4:58:32 AM  
Defund / Abolish.  Problem solved
 
2020-08-03 5:25:20 AM  
For anyone that doesn't want to bother themselves with reading the article, this police chief makes $6282 per week and he feels he's underpaid.
 
2020-08-03 5:32:19 AM  
Money aside, he sounds like a colossal asshole.
 
2020-08-03 5:39:49 AM  
This community on the New Hampshire border may be smaller than 772 other American cities, but the salary of police Chief Joseph Solomon is anything but small. His salary of $326,707 in 2019 made Solomon one of the highest-paid police chiefs in the nation, paid more than his counterparts in Boston, New York, Chicago, and many other major urban areas.

In his defense, there aren't a whole lot of Black people to murder on the Massachusetts/New Hampshire boarder.  He's really gotta search for 'em.   Lots of overtime.  Those body cameras aren't going to disable themselves.
 
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2020-08-03 5:44:07 AM  
Pretty sure he's the only cop I've ever seen not wearing an undershirt. Seriously wtf.
 
2020-08-03 5:56:38 AM  
A police chief's pay should be a LOT lower than that.

However, what if a police chief's pay increases were tied to a special kind of incentive?

If the number of incidents of police brutality towards Afro-Americans in the chief's precinct decreases by a certain significant percentage in a year, then the chief gets a pay rise. If these kinds of incidents increase in frequency during that chief's tenure, then down goes the chief's pay.

Worth a try!
 
2020-08-03 5:57:16 AM  
$326707?  That's a lot of java and donuts, bruddah.
 
2020-08-03 6:02:18 AM  
2.6 times any patrol officer?

So there's a patrol officer making over 100k$ a year somewhere in that town?

Might be time for some much more general setting of pay caps than just the one embezzler's, there.  Patrol work is basically on the order of pizza delivery as far as skills and work involved go, except that it's significantly less dangerous than pizza delivery.  It should probably be hard-capped at 50k$ before benefits if that.  Something anchored to median individual income (so 31k$/year for the US).  1.5 times MII as an upper limit would be in line with the usual factors used in those kinds of calculations.

// Civil service jobs should also have minimums anchored to median individual income, since there is quite a bit of abuse in the other direction as well.  Like, even for hourly contract work like census workers there should be some set conversion where you turn the MII into an hourly rate on the mathematical assumption that that's a full-time job (so 40h/week 50 wk/yr = 2000 h/year => 15-16$/hr) and not allow below 80% of that or whatever.  shiat, we should do this for private industry too, but banning the government from directly participating in wage slavery (and literal slavery, in the case of prison labor) is a good step one here.
 
2020-08-03 6:15:03 AM  
Great. Sounds like he doesn't need the job. Probably has an ample supply of seized assets to fall back on. Fire him due to budgetary reasons and let him apply elsewhere. I've been assured that this is the proper way to handle jobs in the free market.
 
2020-08-03 6:19:08 AM  

Billy Bathsalt: $326707?  That's a lot of java and donuts, bruddah.


You should see his pension plan.

/this is why your town is broke
 
2020-08-03 6:20:18 AM  
Fire the S.O.B.
 
2020-08-03 6:22:03 AM  

Jake Havechek: Fire the S.O.B.


Read the article, dude. They tried. His contract is the issue here. Signed by morons.
 
2020-08-03 6:23:12 AM  
Why tf did they reup his contract in 2017 after all the previous hassle with him?! That's stupid on top of dumbass.
 
2020-08-03 6:46:28 AM  
This is why local elections matter.  They elected incompetent boobs and this guy took advantage of them.  He has a contract, so firing him will invite a 7 figure payout in addition to a lawsuit.  Suck it up.  Let his contract expire, DON'T REHIRE HIM, and hire another guy for a reasonable salary.

Oh yeah, VOTE (and know who you're voting for).
 
2020-08-03 6:49:10 AM  

Do you know the way to Mordor: A police chief's pay should be a LOT lower than that.

However, what if a police chief's pay increases were tied to a special kind of incentive?


FTA: Unlike them, Solomon doesn't have to face a serious crime problem: Methuen had one murder last year.
Lacking a serious crime problem is nt something to criticize a long term police chief for.  Even if he insists on working on days the mayor wants him to take off unpaid and working nights.
Neighborhood Scout:  For Methuen, NeighborhoodScout found that the violent crime rate is well below the national average for all communities of all population sizes.
OK So far.
Since [2014], Solomon's compensation has grown, helped enormously by the 2017 contract that the former mayor now acknowledges he didn't fully understand when he signed it. The contract gives the chief every benefit of a patrol officer, such as extra pay for working at night or wearing a body camera, while also guaranteeing him a raise whenever patrolmen get one.

I like that incentive. That's a good incentive for assuring patrolmen wear bodycams.
 
2020-08-03 6:50:03 AM  
Methuen /mɛˈθuːɛn/ is a city in Essex County, Massachusetts, United States. The population was 47,255 at the 2010 census.

At $6.91/person/year, NYC's police chief would pull more salary than Patrick Mahomes.
 
2020-08-03 6:50:35 AM  
Yep. Contracts, how do they work?

Odd position for Farkers. Police Vs. Government.
 
2020-08-03 7:14:09 AM  
contract that the former mayor now acknowledges he didn't fully understand when he signed it

The police chief isn't the only problem in the article. Neither should get a new contract.
 
2020-08-03 7:14:50 AM  

SwiftFox: Do you know the way to Mordor: A police chief's pay should be a LOT lower than that.

However, what if a police chief's pay increases were tied to a special kind of incentive?

FTA: Unlike them, Solomon doesn't have to face a serious crime problem: Methuen had one murder last year.
Lacking a serious crime problem is nt something to criticize a long term police chief for.  Even if he insists on working on days the mayor wants him to take off unpaid and working nights.
Neighborhood Scout:  For Methuen, NeighborhoodScout found that the violent crime rate is well below the national average for all communities of all population sizes.
OK So far.
Since [2014], Solomon's compensation has grown, helped enormously by the 2017 contract that the former mayor now acknowledges he didn't fully understand when he signed it. The contract gives the chief every benefit of a patrol officer, such as extra pay for working at night or wearing a body camera, while also guaranteeing him a raise whenever patrolmen get one.

I like that incentive. That's a good incentive for assuring patrolmen wear bodycams.


Their incentive to wear their camera should be "do it or you're fired."
 
2020-08-03 7:17:17 AM  
Is he fat?

I'll bet you he's fat.
 
2020-08-03 7:23:47 AM  
If he hasn't give. The department an accounting like the council requested, just make it a fireable offense. Problem solved.

He'll either tell you where his time is being spent or get home self terminated.
 
2020-08-03 7:30:28 AM  
Tell him no and if he don't like it there's other jobs out there as well as other people willing to take his place.
 
2020-08-03 7:39:41 AM  
Hey! Who says Crime Doesn't Pay..?
Ammiright...??
 
2020-08-03 7:50:27 AM  

foo monkey: This community on the New Hampshire border may be smaller than 772 other American cities, but the salary of police Chief Joseph Solomon is anything but small. His salary of $326,707 in 2019 made Solomon one of the highest-paid police chiefs in the nation, paid more than his counterparts in Boston, New York, Chicago, and many other major urban areas.

In his defense, there aren't a whole lot of Black people to murder on the Massachusetts/New Hampshire boarder.  He's really gotta search for 'em.   Lots of overtime.  Those body cameras aren't going to disable themselves.


They're not exempt but Massachusetts isn't very cop murdery in general.  I'd be sure the progressive policing started years ago in Boston hasn't made its way up to the Merrimack Valley though.
 
2020-08-03 7:55:05 AM  

C18H27NO3: For anyone that doesn't want to bother themselves with reading the article, this police chief makes $6282 per week and he feels he's underpaid.


OW!
Bruised my jaw when it hit the desk so hard after reading that.
 
2020-08-03 8:05:24 AM  

Jim_Callahan: 2.6 times any patrol officer?

So there's a patrol officer making over 100k$ a year somewhere in that town?

Might be time for some much more general setting of pay caps than just the one embezzler's, there.  Patrol work is basically on the order of pizza delivery as far as skills and work involved go, except that it's significantly less dangerous than pizza delivery.  It should probably be hard-capped at 50k$ before benefits if that.  Something anchored to median individual income (so 31k$/year for the US).  1.5 times MII as an upper limit would be in line with the usual factors used in those kinds of calculations.

// Civil service jobs should also have minimums anchored to median individual income, since there is quite a bit of abuse in the other direction as well.  Like, even for hourly contract work like census workers there should be some set conversion where you turn the MII into an hourly rate on the mathematical assumption that that's a full-time job (so 40h/week 50 wk/yr = 2000 h/year => 15-16$/hr) and not allow below 80% of that or whatever.  shiat, we should do this for private industry too, but banning the government from directly participating in wage slavery (and literal slavery, in the case of prison labor) is a good step one here.


Not sure how they do it in the newer of the Hampshires, but in illinois the public servants salaries are reported by total compensation.

So they get reported looking like they're making 100k+, but in reality it is base salary + total cost of insurance (even if the city only cover half, the half that comes out officers salary is in there) + overtime pay + yearly uniform allotment (even if they didn't use it all) + incidentals and misc.

So basically it gets reported as the total cost of the officer, not what they actually make.
 
2020-08-03 8:17:51 AM  

dkulprit: Jim_Callahan: 2.6 times any patrol officer?

So there's a patrol officer making over 100k$ a year somewhere in that town?

Might be time for some much more general setting of pay caps than just the one embezzler's, there.  Patrol work is basically on the order of pizza delivery as far as skills and work involved go, except that it's significantly less dangerous than pizza delivery.  It should probably be hard-capped at 50k$ before benefits if that.  Something anchored to median individual income (so 31k$/year for the US).  1.5 times MII as an upper limit would be in line with the usual factors used in those kinds of calculations.

// Civil service jobs should also have minimums anchored to median individual income, since there is quite a bit of abuse in the other direction as well.  Like, even for hourly contract work like census workers there should be some set conversion where you turn the MII into an hourly rate on the mathematical assumption that that's a full-time job (so 40h/week 50 wk/yr = 2000 h/year => 15-16$/hr) and not allow below 80% of that or whatever.  shiat, we should do this for private industry too, but banning the government from directly participating in wage slavery (and literal slavery, in the case of prison labor) is a good step one here.

Not sure how they do it in the newer of the Hampshires, but in illinois the public servants salaries are reported by total compensation.

So they get reported looking like they're making 100k+, but in reality it is base salary + total cost of insurance (even if the city only cover half, the half that comes out officers salary is in there) + overtime pay + yearly uniform allotment (even if they didn't use it all) + incidentals and misc.

So basically it gets reported as the total cost of the officer, not what they actually make.


I would love to see the mayors total cost/compensation  reported in the same way as the police chief and the discrepancy between the two would not be so obvious.
 
2020-08-03 8:21:37 AM  
He need's to stfu and stfd, who the fark else is getting raises now? This fool needs to work outside the public sector so he can get a more realistic perspective.
 
2020-08-03 8:23:10 AM  

dkulprit: So they get reported looking like they're making 100k+, but in reality it is base salary + total cost of insurance (even if the city only cover half, the half that comes out officers salary is in there) + overtime pay + yearly uniform allotment (even if they didn't use it all) + incidentals and misc.

So basically it gets reported as the total cost of the officer, not what they actually make.


When I was still working, we used to get an annual statement of compensation that showed how much it cost the city to employ us each year. It included all of the things you said, plus they added the amount it cost the city to give you holidays, vacation days and sick days. So, for example, the city gave you eight paid holidays they'd add 80 hours of pay to your total compensation. It also included estimated overtime pay, which was always much more than you actually earned. Evidently the city budgeted for worst case scenario. So it was significantly more than your actual pay.
 
2020-08-03 8:42:13 AM  
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2020-08-03 8:45:08 AM  

bfh0417: Yep. Contracts, how do they work?

Odd position for Farkers. Police Vs. Government.


They are the Iron clad word of God when it involves high paid executives and they aren't worth the paper they are printed on for peons.
 
2020-08-03 8:45:55 AM  

MegaLib: Defund / Abolish.  Problem solved


Came in here to say this.

Leaving satisfied.
 
2020-08-03 8:50:27 AM  

sleze: This is why local elections matter.  They elected incompetent boobs and this guy took advantage of them.  He has a contract, so firing him will invite a 7 figure payout in addition to a lawsuit.  Suck it up.  Let his contract expire, DON'T REHIRE HIM, and hire another guy for a reasonable salary.

Oh yeah, VOTE (and know who you're voting for).


Out of curiosity, what's his death benefit?
 
2020-08-03 9:07:34 AM  
Saying you're worth a lot more money usually only works for CEOs, and only then because the board approving your theft are all fellow CEOs.
 
2020-08-03 9:45:20 AM  

foo monkey: This community on the New Hampshire border may be smaller than 772 other American cities, but the salary of police Chief Joseph Solomon is anything but small. His salary of $326,707 in 2019 made Solomon one of the highest-paid police chiefs in the nation, paid more than his counterparts in Boston, New York, Chicago, and many other major urban areas.

In his defense, there aren't a whole lot of Black people to murder on the Massachusetts/New Hampshire boarder.  He's really gotta search for 'em.   Lots of overtime.  Those body cameras aren't going to disable themselves.


He and and his cops get a bonus for wearing them.  For some reason.
 
2020-08-03 9:59:41 AM  

Jake Havechek: Fire the S.O.B.


out of a cannon into the sun..
 
2020-08-03 10:04:21 AM  
I lived in Methuen for 9 years. I moved out because it is anything but a peaceful tiny town. This article definitely doesn't paint a realistic picture of what Methuen is actually like. It borders Salem, NH as well Lawrence, MA and these are two of the sketchiest places in the area and you best believe that trickles over into Methuen.

That said, the police force in Methuen is a joke. Unfortunately, because the part of town I lived in was so bad, I had to call them a few times to report things like gunshots, burglary, vandalism to my car, illegal fireworks being shot off at 3 AM nightly in close proximity to my house weekly, drunk crazy stranger harassing my elderly neighbor... The cops did nothing. The only time they even sent a guy out was for the fireworks and that was over an hour after I called and basically just to tell me that they can't do anything unless they catch them in the act.

This guy needs to be fired and replaced with someone competent. Methuen is rapidly turning into Lawrence and it's a shame because it used to be a really nice place to live. That fact alone is proof enough that he doesn't deserve this salary.
 
2020-08-03 10:10:32 AM  

DevilGirlFromMars: I lived in Methuen for 9 years. I moved out because it is anything but a peaceful tiny town. This article definitely doesn't paint a realistic picture of what Methuen is actually like. It borders Salem, NH as well Lawrence, MA and these are two of the sketchiest places in the area and you best believe that trickles over into Methuen.

That said, the police force in Methuen is a joke. Unfortunately, because the part of town I lived in was so bad, I had to call them a few times to report things like gunshots, burglary, vandalism to my car, illegal fireworks being shot off at 3 AM nightly in close proximity to my house weekly, drunk crazy stranger harassing my elderly neighbor... The cops did nothing. The only time they even sent a guy out was for the fireworks and that was over an hour after I called and basically just to tell me that they can't do anything unless they catch them in the act.

This guy needs to be fired and replaced with someone competent. Methuen is rapidly turning into Lawrence and it's a shame because it used to be a really nice place to live. That fact alone is proof enough that he doesn't deserve this salary.


Ugh I can't type today. Weekly, the drunk, crazy guy would harass my neighbor. We were on a street that had a little neighborhood bar at the end and this dude walking home seemed to feel it necessary to pound on my elderly neighbors door and occasionally piss on her lawn. This happened for like 3-4 weeks until the bar banned him. Cops did nothing.
 
2020-08-03 10:24:42 AM  
They could replace him with someone more than twice as skilled for less than half the price.
 
2020-08-03 10:58:52 AM  

C18H27NO3: For anyone that doesn't want to bother themselves with reading the article, this police chief makes $6282 per week and he feels he's underpaid.


Yeah, good luck reading the article, it wants a pay raise too.  I denied that request.
 
2020-08-03 11:02:40 AM  

NephilimNexus: They could replace him with someone more than twice as skilled for less than half the price.


Since mayors tend to have that power, just do it.

Police chiefs aren't protected by the union, and a direct employee of the mayor.  Don't like your city police tell the mayor to do something, or get voted out.  People need to realize their voting power.
 
2020-08-03 11:39:24 AM  

lack of warmth: NephilimNexus: They could replace him with someone more than twice as skilled for less than half the price.

Since mayors tend to have that power, just do it.

Police chiefs aren't protected by the union, and a direct employee of the mayor.  Don't like your city police tell the mayor to do something, or get voted out.  People need to realize their voting power.


The guy has a contract , one very good for him and very bad for the city   So unless they want to cough up a huge settlement they are stuck with him until his contract is up.  I would inform the asshat that upon completion of his contract his services will no longer be required so do not bother asking for it to be reupped or try to negotiate a new one.

Before that though i would get a good lawyer specializing in contract law to go over the contract with a fine toothed comb to look for any other nasty surprises and for any potential ways to dump the asshat early.
 
2020-08-03 11:57:40 AM  
You won't let him beat brown people anymore.
 
2020-08-03 1:01:56 PM  

Jim_Callahan: So there's a patrol officer making over 100k$ a year somewhere in that town?


There isn't a police officer making under $100k in many towns.

I am increasingly convinced that the purpose of government is pretty much a reverse Robin Hood, taxing the commoners and giving the money to cops.
 
2020-08-03 1:53:26 PM  

grimlock1972: lack of warmth: NephilimNexus: They could replace him with someone more than twice as skilled for less than half the price.

Since mayors tend to have that power, just do it.

Police chiefs aren't protected by the union, and a direct employee of the mayor.  Don't like your city police tell the mayor to do something, or get voted out.  People need to realize their voting power.

The guy has a contract , one very good for him and very bad for the city   So unless they want to cough up a huge settlement they are stuck with him until his contract is up.  I would inform the asshat that upon completion of his contract his services will no longer be required so do not bother asking for it to be reupped or try to negotiate a new one.

Before that though i would get a good lawyer specializing in contract law to go over the contract with a fine toothed comb to look for any other nasty surprises and for any potential ways to dump the asshat early.


Yeah offer a sliding scale payout where 30% of the savings is recouped by the lawyer.  However there is an obvious but difficult solution that they can do:
Shutter the police department, it usually is found to fall in the "for cause" bucket and just have 1 month of the neighboring cities covering calls while start "new police department" with a complete set of rules.

Its doable but expensive, but given they have patrol officers pulling six figures before OT and night duty there is likely a good savings in it.

Again though, invest in a lawyer and pass a civil servant law that requires "Total value of contract" to be provided in all employment agreements when all clauses are executed.  Its very popular language and its how we end up with those big attention grabbing headlines about "X player signs 200 million dollar deal"
 
2020-08-03 2:51:46 PM  

kitsuneymg: SwiftFox: Do you know the way to Mordor: A police chief's pay should be a LOT lower than that.

However, what if a police chief's pay increases were tied to a special kind of incentive?

FTA: Unlike them, Solomon doesn't have to face a serious crime problem: Methuen had one murder last year.
Lacking a serious crime problem is nt something to criticize a long term police chief for.  Even if he insists on working on days the mayor wants him to take off unpaid and working nights.
Neighborhood Scout:  For Methuen, NeighborhoodScout found that the violent crime rate is well below the national average for all communities of all population sizes.
OK So far.
Since [2014], Solomon's compensation has grown, helped enormously by the 2017 contract that the former mayor now acknowledges he didn't fully understand when he signed it. The contract gives the chief every benefit of a patrol officer, such as extra pay for working at night or wearing a body camera, while also guaranteeing him a raise whenever patrolmen get one.

I like that incentive. That's a good incentive for assuring patrolmen wear bodycams.

Their incentive to wear their camera should be "do it or you're fired."


I'm fine with "Do it or your testimony in court is considered unreliable".
 
2020-08-03 3:34:22 PM  
His jobs so important that he deserves more than 3/4ths of the President of the US?

Here, I'll give him a pay raise... of MINUS $150k.
 
2020-08-03 4:45:27 PM  

kitsuneymg: SwiftFox: Do you know the way to Mordor: A police chief's pay should be a LOT lower than that.

However, what if a police chief's pay increases were tied to a special kind of incentive?

FTA: Unlike them, Solomon doesn't have to face a serious crime problem: Methuen had one murder last year.
Lacking a serious crime problem is nt something to criticize a long term police chief for.  Even if he insists on working on days the mayor wants him to take off unpaid and working nights.
Neighborhood Scout:  For Methuen, NeighborhoodScout found that the violent crime rate is well below the national average for all communities of all population sizes.
OK So far.
Since [2014], Solomon's compensation has grown, helped enormously by the 2017 contract that the former mayor now acknowledges he didn't fully understand when he signed it. The contract gives the chief every benefit of a patrol officer, such as extra pay for working at night or wearing a body camera, while also guaranteeing him a raise whenever patrolmen get one.

I like that incentive. That's a good incentive for assuring patrolmen wear bodycams.

Their incentive to wear their camera should be "do it or you're fired."


Guaranteeing the Chief a raise if you do it is"do it or you're fired".
 
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