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(Washington Post)   The Lincoln Project realized that Trump can't take criticism and he can't plan ahead. What they found is that a single video can take him off track for a day or more   (washingtonpost.com) divider line
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2020-08-01 3:33:47 PM  
218 votes:

blastoh: I'm actually done with the Lincoln Project.
Their videos are great and exact what Donald Trump deserves.  But there are two things at play here.

First, these people laid the groundwork for Trump.
Second, they are partially doing what they are doing because they (especially Rick Wilson) get off on being assholes.   Wilson particularly has repeatedly posted about how much fun he has had in making these videos and in writing his attacks in Trump .

Third, these people are grifters who will follow the money.   Yes they realized there is a better long time future in fighting Trump and backing him, but that is it.


You said two, then listed three, therefore I am reporting you to someone.
 
2020-08-01 4:49:47 PM  
93 votes:

GreatGlavinsGhost: blastoh: I'm actually done with the Lincoln Project.
Their videos are great and exact what Donald Trump deserves.  But there are two things at play here.

First, these people laid the groundwork for Trump.
Second, they are partially doing what they are doing because they (especially Rick Wilson) get off on being assholes.   Wilson particularly has repeatedly posted about how much fun he has had in making these videos and in writing his attacks in Trump .

Third, these people are grifters who will follow the money.   Yes they realized there is a better long time future in fighting Trump and backing him, but that is it.

You said two, then listed three, therefore I am reporting you to someone.


He's just following the rules:  Then shalt thou count to three, no more-no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out.
 
2020-08-01 4:24:48 PM  
63 votes:

GreatGlavinsGhost: blastoh: I'm actually done with the Lincoln Project.
Their videos are great and exact what Donald Trump deserves.  But there are two things at play here.

First, these people laid the groundwork for Trump.
Second, they are partially doing what they are doing because they (especially Rick Wilson) get off on being assholes.   Wilson particularly has repeatedly posted about how much fun he has had in making these videos and in writing his attacks in Trump .

Third, these people are grifters who will follow the money.   Yes they realized there is a better long time future in fighting Trump and backing him, but that is it.

You said two, then listed three, therefore I am reporting you to someone.


He didn't expect some kind of Spanish Inquisition.
 
2020-08-01 5:20:22 PM  
53 votes:

iheartscotch: The greatest grift of all would be The Lincoln Project convincing you that they were ever on the side of good. They are not.

Sort of like my Vampire run in Total War: Warhammer. The humans and dwarves...


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2020-08-01 5:18:53 PM  
39 votes:
Has anyone posted about how they're done with the Lincoln Project and how we shouldn't support them because, surprise, they're Republicans, yet?

Also, I really need some insight on the saying "the enemy of my enemy is my friend."  Can anyone help me out with that?
 
2020-08-01 5:35:26 PM  
33 votes:
Man, I sure don't trust that Lincoln Project. As a Democrat, I mean. I understand that if their anti-Trump ads are allowed to continue and they work, then later they could possibly turn against us, the Democrats, once we take power. Also Joe Biden is thinking of making The Lincoln Project his Vice President.

As Democrats, which I am one of, we should all condemn these effective ads we are getting at no cost.
 
2020-08-01 5:32:22 PM  
26 votes:

kudayta: iheartscotch: The greatest grift of all would be The Lincoln Project convincing you that they were ever on the side of good. They are not.

Sort of like my Vampire run in Total War: Warhammer. The humans and dwarves...

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2020-08-01 3:19:10 PM  
16 votes:
I'm actually done with the Lincoln Project.
Their videos are great and exact what Donald Trump deserves.  But there are two things at play here.

First, these people laid the groundwork for Trump.
Second, they are partially doing what they are doing because they (especially Rick Wilson) get off on being assholes.   Wilson particularly has repeatedly posted about how much fun he has had in making these videos and in writing his attacks in Trump .

Third, these people are grifters who will follow the money.   Yes they realized there is a better long time future in fighting Trump and backing him, but that is it.
 
2020-08-01 3:07:56 PM  
16 votes:
We need 90 videos
 
2020-08-01 5:18:18 PM  
15 votes:

GreatGlavinsGhost: blastoh: I'm actually done with the Lincoln Project.
Their videos are great and exact what Donald Trump deserves.  But there are two things at play here.

First, these people laid the groundwork for Trump.
Second, they are partially doing what they are doing because they (especially Rick Wilson) get off on being assholes.   Wilson particularly has repeatedly posted about how much fun he has had in making these videos and in writing his attacks in Trump .

Third, these people are grifters who will follow the money.   Yes they realized there is a better long time future in fighting Trump and backing him, but that is it.

You said two, then listed three, therefore I am reporting you to someone.


Thank you citizen

We will remedy the issue
 
2020-08-01 6:32:35 PM  
13 votes:
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2020-08-01 4:29:16 PM  
13 votes:

Mentat: This is fine and all, but Obama and Hillary have been living rent-free in Trump's head for four years.  The only thing that held them back were the norms expected of an ex-President and a defeated candidate.  Look at what happened this week when Obama finally took the gloves off.  The entire right-wing lost it's shiat because they're scared to death of him.

The only value Lincoln Project brings is as cannon fodder to draw his wrath.


"Four?"
 
2020-08-01 5:24:27 PM  
12 votes:

kudayta: iheartscotch: The greatest grift of all would be The Lincoln Project convincing you that they were ever on the side of good. They are not.

Sort of like my Vampire run in Total War: Warhammer. The humans and dwarves...

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Who the hells cares, indeed. We all know that this is more like a Magic: The Gathering Black thrall deck that just keeps pumping out token weenie creatures. This requires a Blue deck with Tims and Pirate Ships, and Unsummons.
 
2020-08-01 5:16:28 PM  
9 votes:
Funny.

However, back to reality. If this coma guy really voted for Trump in 2016, there is an 85% statistical chance he goes: "wow really? That's fantastic! He has done so much better than I ever imagined! Gosh, I am so happy I've woken up in time for the election so I can vote for him again!"
 
2020-08-01 6:31:32 PM  
7 votes:
Thank god some progressives are here to explain the Lincoln Project to us lesser sorts.
 
2020-08-01 5:58:43 PM  
7 votes:

Shaggy_C: [i.imgflip.com image 666x375]


That was Potato or some other troll's line yesterday.
Is that really the meme Trumpsters are trying to run with? Do you even understand the reference?
 
2020-08-01 5:05:46 PM  
7 votes:
Yeah, I don't support anyone running into the white house or congress and using a chainsaw on sitting Repubicans.
That would be wrong.

I do like to laugh at the wrongs things.

Welcome to Fark, jay peg.
 
2020-08-01 6:30:56 PM  
6 votes:

qorkfiend: DoBeDoBeLurk: Spartapuss: DoBeDoBeLurk: Here it is from the horse's mouth:

Ok? It's not like anyone doesn't believe you when you say they're shiatty people, That's not the argument.

The argument is it's perfectly okay to ally yourselves with shiatty people because they're giving you free stuff. This is not what we teach our children about strangers with candy. I would like you to step out of the unmarked van and I am certainly not going to climb in there next to you because you say the candy is yummy.

I don't care if they actually do have a puppy for us to pet. It's not hard to get a puppy. It's not hard to film ads. They are pushing the message that all Republicans need to do is renounce Trump and then everything will be fine. No apology. No change. Status quo, or maybe a little worse because red states are steadily gaining in power due to demographic changes and loosening of protections for voters.

You are so distracted by the puppy you're not noticing the guy has his hand down your pants.

You're getting mighty unhinged here, friend


It's not "unhinged." It's recognizing the greater problem at hand.

You don't care because, in part, you benefit from that greater problem, and you fear change might infringe upon your convenience or your comfort.
 
2020-08-01 5:55:11 PM  
6 votes:
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2020-08-01 5:53:07 PM  
6 votes:
Those of you who think the Lincoln project is good should play a few rounds of the card game Secret Hitler. Fascists pose as supporters of liberal democracy by doing things that are democratic, and slipping their fascism into the mix. Secret Hitler is an amazing game for abstracting the tipping point of democracy in a way that illustrates the way democracy is co-opted.

The Lincoln Project is acting like the end of the game, when the fascists are taking over and the liberals can't figure out who the secret fascists are. The game is great because the alliances are not obvious at all. Sometimes the fascists betray the liberals and reveal themselves at the end. But sometimes the secret fascists are the ones at the table pushing the liberal agenda as hard as possible, even as their grip tightens.

This game should be reviewed by newspaper sections that review novels and movies. It really is that good as literature, and salient to our moment.
 
2020-08-01 7:22:03 PM  
5 votes:
If you support The Lincoln Project, you also support:

-Bombing brown people in other countries for illegal reasons

-Trickledown economics

-Torture

-Dick Cheney, Both Bushes, Reagan

-Keeping the rich rich and the poor stupid.
 
2020-08-01 6:16:12 PM  
5 votes:

Spartapuss: DoBeDoBeLurk: Here it is from the horse's mouth:

Ok? It's not like anyone doesn't believe you when you say they're shiatty people, That's not the argument.


The argument is it's perfectly okay to ally yourselves with shiatty people because they're giving you free stuff. This is not what we teach our children about strangers with candy. I would like you to step out of the unmarked van and I am certainly not going to climb in there next to you because you say the candy is yummy.

I don't care if they actually do have a puppy for us to pet. It's not hard to get a puppy. It's not hard to film ads. They are pushing the message that all Republicans need to do is renounce Trump and then everything will be fine. No apology. No change. Status quo, or maybe a little worse because red states are steadily gaining in power due to demographic changes and loosening of protections for voters.

You are so distracted by the puppy you're not noticing the guy has his hand down your pants.
 
2020-08-01 6:08:17 PM  
5 votes:

Bennie Crabtree: This game should be reviewed by newspaper sections that review novels and movies. It really is that good as literature, and salient to our moment.


Your analogy is so tortured, it's testifying against you in the Hague.
 
2020-08-01 5:24:56 PM  
5 votes:
As I said in an earlier thread, people who get their panties wet about The Lincoln Project need to be reminded about the tale of the Frog and the Scorpion.

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They'll turn those big guns on Biden the moment he's sworn in. Count on it.

They may be only wanting to get rid of Trump now because the oaf sucks all the oxygen out of the room and screws up their chances to seek their own elections in 22-24. And if they get back into a majority power, it's back to the same old tax breaks for millionaires/f*ck everybody else platform. As far as they're concerned, Trump's only sin was that he says GOP's quiet parts out loud.

And using the article's own "firemen" bullsh*t metaphor, I'd like to hope those firemen arrived to put out the fire once and for all and NOT there just to burglarize the place of all it's valuables once the fire's been put out.
 
2020-08-01 7:59:45 PM  
4 votes:

iron de havilland: EyeballKid: iron de havilland: Well, if you're convinced that Trump is the best thing for the US, I'm not sure what to say to you.

Yes, anyone who isn't thrilled with another Democratic President who'll cave to right-wing demands due in part to having the same financial backers as the right wing must want another four years of Trump.

Or, maybe you had a different memory of the McConnell-Boehner co-presidency when we committed even further into Iraq and Afghanistan, continued torturing non-combatants, made the Dubya tax cuts permanent, increased the domestic surveillance state, made irresponsible fracking a staple of domestic energy policy, dramatically increased incarceration and apprehension of undocumented immigrants, and nationalized RomneyCare.

Well, shall we vote against Trump for the lols, just to see what might happen when there isn't a madman in the big chair?


It'll be another McConnell de facto presidency. And that could have been different, but $40 million was spent in out-of-state donations to make sure McConnell faces a clueless patsy in the general election. Won't be surprised to learn that the Lincoln Project donated to Amy McGrath's campaign to ensure that McConnell's seat is safe.
 
2020-08-01 7:59:25 PM  
4 votes:

iron de havilland: DoBeDoBeLurk: I say giving TLP your clicks and your money and your support because they're making free anti-Trump ads is like getting into a van with a a child molester who has free candy.

But you then expect to be taken seriously?


I WAS taken seriously. You were taking me seriously right up until I pointed out you called yourself an idiot. You're now going to join qork in saying no one would buy that thing! when someone in fact bought the thing and ran off with it, happily. What do you think you're accomplishing by fighting my tone?

It doesn't matter anyway. You're eating the candy. I'll still refrain.
 
2020-08-01 7:54:33 PM  
4 votes:

mjjt: DoBeDoBeLurk:
Now you're okay with Democrats giving them money and declaring their love for them as long as certain conditions are met. Maybe giving Republicans your money will move the Overton Window left! Maybe we should do that! Maybe we can just give them our money for a little while!

Multiple posters in this thread have tried to point out to you that you are missing the point. It doesn't matter whether their motives are exactly the same as ours; it doesn't matter if they're taking contributions to fund their ads; it doesn't matter if you think they will attack Democrats next year; it doesn't matter if you don't personally like them.

They are helping defeat Trump et al. Any aid that helps bring Trump down is worth having.


Multiple people are making bad arguments which a read through TFA disproves.

mjjt: No that's a complete strawman. Nobody is asking you to ally with them, to like them, or to give them money.


But it wasn't a strawman, was it, mjjt? Two of you have tried to tell me no one is asking me to give them money, when in fact Democrats are asking me to give them money and are giving them money.

And as far as liking them, someone ITT is telling me to get into their metaphorical van even if they kill me later.

Spartapuss: I'll take my chances with the guy who's not carrying the chainsaw instead trying to hold my ground, thank you. If he becomes an issue afterward, well I'm farked because he's Jim Jones or something...


This a political alliance with a group of Republicans and you can't pretend it's not just because you, personally, only gave them clicks and not real USD. So all you have to fall back on is the idea that it's just for right now and there won't be any consequences.

Good luck with that.
 
2020-08-01 7:08:00 PM  
4 votes:

Maynard G. Muskievote: iheartscotch: The greatest grift of all would be The Lincoln Project convincing you that they were ever on the side of good. They are not.

Sort of like my Vampire run in Total War: Warhammer. The humans and dwarves allied with me to fight Chaos. I committed 15,000 skellies and 20 vampire lords. And then I watched as Chaos absolutely obliterated the humans. I swept in at the last second and saved my allies. But, I used their weakness to expand massively and, eventually, to crush them.

/ that is why you should never trust an enemy of an enemy

That seals it then. I will not vote for the Lincoln Project for president.


You say as you plan to vote for the right-leaning presidential  candidate the Lincoln Project wants you to vote for.


Had the nominee been a hair left of Cory Booker, they'd be doing ads for Trump.
 
2020-08-01 6:07:08 PM  
4 votes:

AAAAGGGGHHHH: aleister_greynight: AAAAGGGGHHHH: As I said in an earlier thread, people who get their panties wet about The Lincoln Project need to be reminded about the tale of the Frog and the Scorpion.

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They'll turn those big guns on Biden the moment he's sworn in. Count on it.

They may be only wanting to get rid of Trump now because the oaf sucks all the oxygen out of the room and screws up their chances to seek their own elections in 22-24. And if they get back into a majority power, it's back to the same old tax breaks for millionaires/f*ck everybody else platform. As far as they're concerned, Trump's only sin was that he says GOP's quiet parts out loud.

So you would prefer Trump being reelected?  Because those all sound like problems for after Trump is gone.

And using the article's own "firemen" bullsh*t metaphor, I'd like to hope those firemen arrived to put out the fire once and for all and NOT there just to burglarize the place of all it's valuables once the fire's been put out.

If your house was on fire you would turn away people with buckets of water, because they weren't in a firetruck?

Who the fark ever said that I'd want to see Trump reelected? Have you ever even LOOKED at my profile?

What I am saying is that these TLP guy are kind of our friends now, but that's only because they know that if Trumpism isn't stopped, there's going to be no future for them in politics. Screw what a continued Trump regime would do to the rest of us. All they care about is their own prospects.

As soon as Biden is sworn in, these guys are gonna turn those big guns on Biden in 2022, with the hope of taking back the White House in '24 (most likely Romney, if I wanted to place bets). But they know they won't be able to do that so long as Donnie Two-Scoops keeps sucking the proverbial oxygen out of the room.

And mark my words, they'll be just as awful with the same trickle-down bullsh*t they've been forcing down our throats since the days of Reagan.

They'r ...


I think it's too late. The cyanide has sugar in it and people are telling themselves they'll stop drinking it when the election is over.

Yeah, free ads saying things Democrats agree with. You are on the internet. You KNOW when something is free the product they are selling is YOU.

Do you think the Republican Party needs to atone for its sins in order to improve, or that they are irredeemable?

Again, TLP thinks this about you: "I think a good sign of being an idiot in life is believing that all virtue is vested in one of these political parties and all evil in the other," he [Schmidt] says. He rejects those who say he should be ashamed of the past: "The necessity for an act of atonement against conviction is self-righteous and smug at a level that beggars my ability to describe it in the English language. And I would suggest that they're part of the problem, not so much part of the solution."

YOU (or your fellow Democrats to the left of you) are part of the problem, but helpful, unapologetic Republicans like Schmidt are part of the solution. People who think Republicans are wrong are self-righteous, smug idiots. Keep spreading the word! God knows I can't stop you.

/Are we really going to have multiples of these every day leading up to the election?
 
2020-08-01 6:05:07 PM  
4 votes:

Hickory-smoked: That was Potato or some other troll's line yesterday.
Is that really the meme Trumpsters are trying to run with? Do you even understand the reference?


I saw that and and will admit I was inspired. The number of 'Lincoln Project' threads popping up have me thinking there's a significant effort afoot by a submitter with an agenda to spam the queue with news about them and make them seem far more relevant than they are.

I don't have facts to back this up, but I believe the constant drumbeat of "Trump behind in the polls"  is just being reinforced by this "Republicans turning on each other" message with the end goal of depressing Democratic turnout.
 
2020-08-01 6:05:07 PM  
4 votes:
how are these ads effective?
 
2020-08-01 5:48:46 PM  
4 votes:

aleister_greynight: AAAAGGGGHHHH: As I said in an earlier thread, people who get their panties wet about The Lincoln Project need to be reminded about the tale of the Frog and the Scorpion.

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They'll turn those big guns on Biden the moment he's sworn in. Count on it.

They may be only wanting to get rid of Trump now because the oaf sucks all the oxygen out of the room and screws up their chances to seek their own elections in 22-24. And if they get back into a majority power, it's back to the same old tax breaks for millionaires/f*ck everybody else platform. As far as they're concerned, Trump's only sin was that he says GOP's quiet parts out loud.

So you would prefer Trump being reelected?  Because those all sound like problems for after Trump is gone.

And using the article's own "firemen" bullsh*t metaphor, I'd like to hope those firemen arrived to put out the fire once and for all and NOT there just to burglarize the place of all it's valuables once the fire's been put out.

If your house was on fire you would turn away people with buckets of water, because they weren't in a firetruck?


Who the fark ever said that I'd want to see Trump reelected? Have you ever even LOOKED at my profile?

What I am saying is that these TLP guy are kind of our friends now, but that's only because they know that if Trumpism isn't stopped, there's going to be no future for them in politics. Screw what a continued Trump regime would do to the rest of us. All they care about is their own prospects.

As soon as Biden is sworn in, these guys are gonna turn those big guns on Biden in 2022, with the hope of taking back the White House in '24 (most likely Romney, if I wanted to place bets). But they know they won't be able to do that so long as Donnie Two-Scoops keeps sucking the proverbial oxygen out of the room.

And mark my words, they'll be just as awful with the same trickle-down bullsh*t they've been forcing down our throats since the days of Reagan.

They're parasites, but parasites with enough intelligence to know that a host is of no use to them if it's dead.
 
2020-08-01 5:03:42 PM  
4 votes:
The greatest grift of all would be The Lincoln Project convincing you that they were ever on the side of good. They are not.

Sort of like my Vampire run in Total War: Warhammer. The humans and dwarves allied with me to fight Chaos. I committed 15,000 skellies and 20 vampire lords. And then I watched as Chaos absolutely obliterated the humans. I swept in at the last second and saved my allies. But, I used their weakness to expand massively and, eventually, to crush them.

/ that is why you should never trust an enemy of an enemy
 
2020-08-01 7:20:33 PM  
3 votes:

iron de havilland: GreatGlavinsGhost: blastoh: I'm actually done with the Lincoln Project.
Their videos are great and exact what Donald Trump deserves.  But there are two things at play here.

First, these people laid the groundwork for Trump.
Second, they are partially doing what they are doing because they (especially Rick Wilson) get off on being assholes.   Wilson particularly has repeatedly posted about how much fun he has had in making these videos and in writing his attacks in Trump .

Third, these people are grifters who will follow the money.   Yes they realized there is a better long time future in fighting Trump and backing him, but that is it.

You said two, then listed three, therefore I am reporting you to someone.

He didn't expect some kind of Spanish Inquisition.


No one ever does.
 
2020-08-01 6:34:18 PM  
3 votes:

FlashHarry: [Fark user image image 850x662]


That is on-brand AF for you, Fash Larry
 
2020-08-01 6:31:15 PM  
3 votes:
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Actually, it was a Republican strategist referring to Trump :

"Right now you've got to kill the alligator closest to the boat, the one that's going to kill you, and that is Donald Trump," says Rick Tyler. "Now, we can all view Joe Biden as another alligator or Nancy Pelosi as an alligator. I think they're little alligators and they're a quarter mile down the river. You don't have to worry about them at all. But there's this giant alligator who's going to eat the boat."
 
2020-08-01 6:30:35 PM  
3 votes:

iheartscotch: The greatest grift of all would be The Lincoln Project convincing you that they were ever on the side of good. They are not.

Sort of like my Vampire run in Total War: Warhammer. The humans and dwarves allied with me to fight Chaos. I committed 15,000 skellies and 20 vampire lords. And then I watched as Chaos absolutely obliterated the humans. I swept in at the last second and saved my allies. But, I used their weakness to expand massively and, eventually, to crush them.

/ that is why you should never trust an enemy of an enemy


That seals it then. I will not vote for the Lincoln Project for president.
 
2020-08-01 6:22:23 PM  
3 votes:

itchyvelour: blastoh: I'm actually done with the Lincoln Project.
Their videos are great and exact what Donald Trump deserves.  But there are two things at play here.

First, these people laid the groundwork for Trump.
Second, they are partially doing what they are doing because they (especially Rick Wilson) get off on being assholes.   Wilson particularly has repeatedly posted about how much fun he has had in making these videos and in writing his attacks in Trump .

Third, these people are grifters who will follow the money.   Yes they realized there is a better long time future in fighting Trump and backing him, but that is it.

Stalin was horrible, but we allied with him to beat Hitler. Politics makes strange bedfellows indeed.


Except in this case, the US is siding with the Nazis who are a little butthurt Hitler didn't give them choice gigs.
 
2020-08-01 6:07:17 PM  
3 votes:
Easily distracted? Couldn't we save money and just hire someone to randomly shine a laser pointer around any room he's in?
 
2020-08-01 6:07:11 PM  
3 votes:
"Sure, they're racists and grifters who've spent decades creating the ideal conditions for the current white nationalist fascist state we're in, but they're real sorry, and they make good tee vee! Let's give them just a little more power and influence! They pinky swear they'll only influence the non-fascist party a little bit!"
 
2020-08-01 5:33:13 PM  
3 votes:
All this concern trolling about the Lincoln Project's long-term goals

Ever hear of "enemy of my enemy"?

The Lincoln Project and the left can enjoy a truce as they both go after their hated common enemy: Donald Trump

Then things will go back to business as usual and they can start attacking each other again
 
2020-08-01 5:20:25 PM  
3 votes:
Can we strap Donnie in a chair, keep his eyes open using the proverbial toothpick method, and make him watch endless clips of LP and  Sarah Cooper?
 
2020-08-01 5:10:29 PM  
3 votes:
"For Americans who believe the president is a raging threat to democracy, purity tests are out. Results are in."

"You can call it trolling, and it is: The Lincoln Project buys ad time in Washington and Bedminster for an audience of one. "
 
2020-08-01 4:57:31 PM  
3 votes:
FTFA: Your house is on fire. Do you care who the firemen are?

If your house is on fire....you should ABSOLUTELY care who the firemen are. For example: they might not know WTF they are doing.

/ also, those lost in the desert should ABSOLUTELY care where their water comes from
 
2020-08-01 3:48:58 PM  
3 votes:

blastoh: I'm actually done with the Lincoln Project.
Their videos are great and exact what Donald Trump deserves.  But there are two things at play here.

First, these people laid the groundwork for Trump.
Second, they are partially doing what they are doing because they (especially Rick Wilson) get off on being assholes.   Wilson particularly has repeatedly posted about how much fun he has had in making these videos and in writing his attacks in Trump .

Third, these people are grifters who will follow the money.   Yes they realized there is a better long time future in fighting Trump and backing him, but that is it.


Ah, I think you might need to reorder your priorities.

Instead of complaining that the originators are not as pure as you like, perhaps should concentrate on the positive effect they are having
 
2020-08-01 10:10:23 PM  
2 votes:

Deathbymeteor: EyeballKid: Deathbymeteor: EyeballKid: DNC struck down Medicare for All

This didn't happen.  Source: https://www.npr.org/2020/07/27​/895800425/democrats-meet-virtually-to​-approve-platform-that-builds-off-of-b​iden-sanders-ef

"The draft party document released last week endorses universal health care and makes it clear that low- or no-cost coverage for every American is the party's eventual goal. Rather than backing a single mandatory government-run health insurance program, however, it calls for adding a public option to the existing Affordable Care Act.
The platform does nod to "Medicare for All," the policy backed by Sanders, saying: "We are proud our party welcomes advocates who want to build on and strengthen the Affordable Care Act and those who support a Medicare for All approach.""

Oh, well, if the Nice Polite Republicans say so!

So, you've got nothing to respond to actual evidence with?  But you're not going to admit to being wrong?

Good to know you can be safely disregarded.


I'm a progressive voter. I'm used to being disregarded making foolish mistakes with no concern  whatsoever about the long-term.

But hey, bet you're looking forward to going back to brunch!
 
2020-08-01 9:35:55 PM  
2 votes:

Dear Jerk: Acknowledge that liberals and Lincoln Project republicans share some values.


Those values are, specifically, hating the poor and refusing to help anyone not directly affecting them.
 
2020-08-01 9:23:09 PM  
2 votes:

Deathbymeteor: EyeballKid: DNC struck down Medicare for All

This didn't happen.  Source: https://www.npr.org/2020/07/27​/895800425/democrats-meet-virtually-to​-approve-platform-that-builds-off-of-b​iden-sanders-ef

"The draft party document released last week endorses universal health care and makes it clear that low- or no-cost coverage for every American is the party's eventual goal. Rather than backing a single mandatory government-run health insurance program, however, it calls for adding a public option to the existing Affordable Care Act.
The platform does nod to "Medicare for All," the policy backed by Sanders, saying: "We are proud our party welcomes advocates who want to build on and strengthen the Affordable Care Act and those who support a Medicare for All approach.""


Oh, well, if the Nice Polite Republicans say so!
 
2020-08-01 9:14:48 PM  
2 votes:

Bennie Crabtree: iron de havilland: DoBeDoBeLurk: I say giving TLP your clicks and your money and your support because they're making free anti-Trump ads is like getting into a van with a a child molester who has free candy.

But you then expect to be taken seriously?

Whoa Mom and Dad we can hear you all the way upstairs.

Look, DoBeDo has a point. It's one thing to watch the ads be like HAHAHA NICE the same way watching a wrestling cage match is awesome. But TLP for entertainment, and TLP as something to support with money, is two different things. I love the TLP ads. I would never send them money, because they are deep red Bush Era Republicans who helped to discredit constitutional rule of law, in favour of police discretion and violence in every part of surveillance state life. I am certain that is not an understatement of their purpose.

If we donate money to them today, they will spend it on destroying us tomorrow.

In my wildest fantasies, after Biden is elected, TLP say, "And that is all we need to do for politics, because we have clutched power long enough. The world is different now than when we tried to rule twenty years ago. There is no more money for us to gain, there is no more power that we need to wield. Our wars failed, and we were barely able to deliver our nation's sorry, sickened, broke asses from Trump. Goodbye! We retire, we are going to the beach and never coming back."


You don't get the insidiousness of TLP!

To quote your friend:
This a political alliance with a group of Republicans and you can't pretend it's not just because you, personally, only gave them clicks and not real USD. So all you have to fall back on is the idea that it's just for right now and there won't be any consequences.

Good luck with that.


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2020-08-01 9:07:28 PM  
2 votes:

The Cat Who Walks By Herself: I can't wait to see how these threads start to look after two more months of this. Conversation is thiclose to falling over a cliff like "TLP is only pretending to oppose Trump right now because they have dirt on Biden that they will reveal before the inauguration so psych Trump wins after all."
/waiting for the inevitable Q tie-in


Or we just keep pointing out TLP is Evil as f*ck.  Liking their sh*t makes progressives cry.
 
2020-08-01 8:59:04 PM  
2 votes:

The Cat Who Walks By Herself: I can't wait to see how these threads start to look after two more months of this. Conversation is thiclose to falling over a cliff like "TLP is only pretending to oppose Trump right now because they have dirt on Biden that they will reveal before the inauguration so psych Trump wins after all."
/waiting for the inevitable Q tie-in


I don't think it's a kooky conspiracy theory that the Democratic Party is giving more sway to its moneyed right wing supporters than it is their on-the-ground voting bloc. Look at the nominee and how the DNC struck down Medicare for All and cannabis legalization - both of which the majority of the country supports - from its policy planks.
 
2020-08-01 8:30:19 PM  
2 votes:

Spartapuss: DoBeDoBeLurk: Spartapuss: Please stop trying to bring up that I took you seriously just because I stuck with your analogy when imploring you not to be an idiot in this instance.

Leaving the analogy aside for the Tone Police, you said we should back TLP even if they turn out to be a more subtle version of our current threat and we fall prey to them later. You do realize that's terrible, right?

I didn't say "fall prey to them", I said, "deal with them". You're the one telling me, how I stand no chance against their evil spell.


Do you even metaphor? Your stereotypical chainsaw murderer is either Jason or Leatherface. You said to get away from someone with a chainsaw, you would get into a van with Jim Jones.

Do you know Jim Jones?

He started his own totalitarian regime in the jungle of Guyana and killed 918 people with cyanide, 304 of them were children. Jason and Leatherface killed a few teenagers, they don't add up to Jim Jones combined.

You're saying you would submit to that level of carnage later because there is a threat right now. Not even "well, maybe he won't." No, it definitely is Jim Jones and he will, but you'll "deal with" it. I didn't go that far. You signed us all up for Trump the Sequel : This Time, He's Worse! as long as we can get away from Trump the First.

I feel like I'm talking to Eleanor Shellstrop. Do you not get how that's worse? You didn't get agree to my terms, you escalated and then agreed to them.

You made a more severe argument than I did. You said even if they get us Trump 2 later, we still need to ally with them now, and deal with whatever happens later later. I guess that's a problem for Future Spartapuss. I can only hope you're overreacting to someone disagreeing with you on the internet and you don't really think a better Trump is an OK price to pay as long as we can get rid of this one.
 
2020-08-01 7:51:56 PM  
2 votes:

iron de havilland: Well, if you're convinced that Trump is the best thing for the US, I'm not sure what to say to you.


Yes, anyone who isn't thrilled with another Democratic President who'll cave to right-wing demands due in part to having the same financial backers as the right wing must want another four years of Trump.

Or, maybe you had a different memory of the McConnell-Boehner co-presidency when we committed even further into Iraq and Afghanistan, continued torturing non-combatants, made the Dubya tax cuts permanent, increased the domestic surveillance state, made irresponsible fracking a staple of domestic energy policy, dramatically increased incarceration and apprehension of undocumented immigrants, and nationalized RomneyCare.
 
2020-08-01 7:46:00 PM  
2 votes:

AAAAGGGGHHHH: ...The Tale of the Frog and the Scorpion.


Counterpoint:

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2020-08-01 7:45:12 PM  
2 votes:

iron de havilland: DoBeDoBeLurk:

Look, lets just get rid of Trump first, before we have a discussion on how the deck chairs should be arranged.


Now the whole subject is irrelevant? If you didn't want to talk abut this there are other threads and other people to talk to.

Hey, at least now you know you're okay with Democrats forming a temporary alliance with Republicans and you won't call it "stupid" again.

iron de havilland: Isn't qorkfiend a lib, too?

Is he not on the same side as you?


Put down the bong. qork is policing my tone and not EVEN expressing an opinion on TLP. I say giving TLP your clicks and your money and your support because they're making free anti-Trump ads is like getting into a van with a a child molester who has free candy. qork says my metaphor is "unhinged," even though I've got someone else telling everyone to get in the van. We do not agree and we are on opposite sides. Democrats are not like the Helens from Kids in the Hall.
 
2020-08-01 7:36:40 PM  
2 votes:

blastoh: First, these people laid the groundwork for Trump.


This bears repeating.

/But we should work together to defeat the monster, and once that's done, we can make sure that Dr. Frankenstein never practices medicine again.
//Dr. Funkenstien can continue hitting us with the one, and then, if he likes, hitting us again, because we love you, Funkenstein.
///But Clinton!
 
2020-08-01 7:08:22 PM  
2 votes:

DoBeDoBeLurk: iron de havilland: Anyone saying that is stupid. Talk of allying with them, I mean.

They have a goal that you share, though, in getting rid of Trump. That doesn't mean you have to give them money or declare your love for them. Just let them do their work of pointing out what a complete failure of a human being Trump is, and take advantage of it.


The instant you start USING their work and not just passively allowing it to happen, you are working with them. Democrats are giving them money and throwing fundraisers for them:

Their viral videos and tweets mocking his leadership, his intelligence and his patriotism - aimed both at Republican voters who are wavering and Trump himself - have attracted millions of dollars, via donors from both parties. More than 90,000 people showed up for a virtual town hall last month. Lifelong Democrats are organizing fundraisers for the project.

So, yes, we are allying with them even by your definition. We aren't just taking advantage.


As long as they know what they're getting into, if it helps shift the Overton window leftwards, I don't really have a problem with this. Just as long as those involved know that they will have to divest themselves of TLP at some point.
 
2020-08-01 7:05:50 PM  
2 votes:

FlashHarry: AAAAGGGGHHHH: They'll turn those big guns on Biden the moment he's sworn in. Count on it.

So?


Ask John Kerry about a phrase called "swift boating".
 
2020-08-01 7:03:33 PM  
2 votes:

qorkfiend: DoBeDoBeLurk: Spartapuss: When there's someone else trying to murder you, maybe get in the farking van?

Because maybe the people in the van will just molest you and let you go? You already know they're at least going to do that. This is the level of decision-making that's going on. You do appreciate that the people in the van drove the murderer to the woods to kill you, but you'd rather not run away under your own power, (pay for your own damn ads or, god forbid, election finance reform) so let's all get in the van.

qorkfiend: You're getting mighty unhinged here, friend

I'm not the one telling people to get in the farking van. Somebody just tried to defend TLP by "yes, and"ing getting into a van with a child molester - because the child molester might not murder you. You know, like we teach our kids to do - if someone is going to murder you, run to a child molester for help!

iron de havilland: Anyone saying that is stupid. Talk of allying with them, I mean.

They have a goal that you share, though, in getting rid of Trump. That doesn't mean you have to give them money or declare your love for them. Just let them do their work of pointing out what a complete failure of a human being Trump is, and take advantage of it.

The instant you start USING their work and not just passively allowing it to happen, you are working with them. Democrats are giving them money and throwing fundraisers for them:

Their viral videos and tweets mocking his leadership, his intelligence and his patriotism - aimed both at Republican voters who are wavering and Trump himself - have attracted millions of dollars, via donors from both parties. More than 90,000 people showed up for a virtual town hall last month. Lifelong Democrats are organizing fundraisers for the project.

So, yes, we are allying with them even by your definition. We aren't just taking advantage.

The unhinged part was you making the "child molester" comparison in the first place


And so accepting the metaphor and saying get in the van is what? Super hinged? An addendum:

Spartapuss: I'll take my chances with the guy who's not carrying the chainsaw instead trying to hold my ground, thank you. If he becomes an issue afterward, well I'm farked because he's Jim Jones or something...


Get in the van even if the guy in the van will kill you later with poisoned Flavor Aid!

You don't get to say I'm being unreasonable when someone else is agreeing to be molested AND making it even worse. Get in the van even if you die later because if that happens you were screwed anyway. Wow. TLP is the only thing standing between us and another Trump victory and must accept their help now even if they screw us later and get another, more subtle version of Trump (Jim Jones instead of Jason) elected. I didn't come up with that.
 
2020-08-01 6:40:45 PM  
2 votes:

Spartapuss: When there's someone else trying to murder you, maybe get in the farking van?


Because maybe the people in the van will just molest you and let you go? You already know they're at least going to do that. This is the level of decision-making that's going on. You do appreciate that the people in the van drove the murderer to the woods to kill you, but you'd rather not run away under your own power, (pay for your own damn ads or, god forbid, election finance reform) so let's all get in the van.

qorkfiend: You're getting mighty unhinged here, friend


I'm not the one telling people to get in the farking van. Somebody just tried to defend TLP by "yes, and"ing getting into a van with a child molester - because the child molester might not murder you. You know, like we teach our kids to do - if someone is going to murder you, run to a child molester for help!

iron de havilland: Anyone saying that is stupid. Talk of allying with them, I mean.

They have a goal that you share, though, in getting rid of Trump. That doesn't mean you have to give them money or declare your love for them. Just let them do their work of pointing out what a complete failure of a human being Trump is, and take advantage of it.


The instant you start USING their work and not just passively allowing it to happen, you are working with them. Democrats are giving them money and throwing fundraisers for them:

Their viral videos and tweets mocking his leadership, his intelligence and his patriotism - aimed both at Republican voters who are wavering and Trump himself - have attracted millions of dollars, via donors from both parties. More than 90,000 people showed up for a virtual town hall last month. Lifelong Democrats are organizing fundraisers for the project.

So, yes, we are allying with them even by your definition. We aren't just taking advantage.
 
2020-08-01 6:40:03 PM  
2 votes:

DoBeDoBeLurk: I don't care if they actually do have a puppy for us to pet. It's not hard to get a puppy. It's not hard to film ads


Then where are the ads produced by Bernie helping Biden? If Bernie and his bros were half as helpful in electing Biden, then we wouldn't have a need for the TLP. But so far, I've seen nothing from the Bro crowd.

And if Bernie's primary campaign of persuasiveness was any indication, it was very hard for him to film effective ads.
 
2020-08-01 6:34:39 PM  
2 votes:

sinner4ever: Yes, by all means help them give the illusion that Republicans can be reasonable.
Keep helping them try to prevent the whole party from going down and being synonymous with Trump.


You do realize they have put out ads against other Republicans besides Trump, right?
 
2020-08-01 6:26:28 PM  
2 votes:

Insurgent: EyeballKid: Insurgent: how are these ads effective?

They distract you from their role in creating President Trump.

well, some people. seems to be mostly catering to moderate libs' sense of smug self-satisfaction.


Well, moderate libs aren't not responsible for President Trump.

Coasting for 20 years on being the lesser of two evils and doing nothing for their constituents while taking money from the same donors who give more to the GOP played a role in nationwide voter disenchantment that made 2016 what it was.
 
2020-08-01 6:22:08 PM  
2 votes:

iaazathot: Dallymo: GreatGlavinsGhost: blastoh: I'm actually done with the Lincoln Project.
Their videos are great and exact what Donald Trump deserves.  But there are two things at play here.

First, these people laid the groundwork for Trump.
Second, they are partially doing what they are doing because they (especially Rick Wilson) get off on being assholes.   Wilson particularly has repeatedly posted about how much fun he has had in making these videos and in writing his attacks in Trump .

Third, these people are grifters who will follow the money.   Yes they realized there is a better long time future in fighting Trump and backing him, but that is it.

You said two, then listed three, therefore I am reporting you to someone.

He's just following the rules:  Then shalt thou count to three, no more-no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out.

What about the fruit bats, orangutans, and breakfast cereals?


We skipped that part
 
2020-08-01 6:16:50 PM  
2 votes:
rick wilson et al are irredeemable pieces of shiat that are responsible for trump, but hey let's keep giving them clicks and money. what could go wrong?
 
2020-08-01 6:15:59 PM  
2 votes:
The frenemy of my enemy is my frenemy.
 
2020-08-01 6:15:09 PM  
2 votes:

FlashHarry: blastoh: I'm actually done with the Lincoln Project.

You'r right. It's much more important to be pure than to win.


Did you know that some Republicans might vote for Biden? I'm not sure that should be allowed; it seems impure.
 
2020-08-01 6:10:28 PM  
2 votes:

Insurgent: how are these ads effective?


They distract you from their role in creating President Trump.
 
2020-08-01 6:06:47 PM  
2 votes:

AAAAGGGGHHHH: Who the fark ever said that I'd want to see Trump reelected? Have you ever even LOOKED at my profile?

What I am saying is that these TLP guy are kind of our friends now, but that's only because they know that if Trumpism isn't stopped, there's going to be no future for them in politics. Screw what a continued Trump regime would do to the rest of us. All they care about is their own prospects.

As soon as Biden is sworn in, these guys are gonna turn those big guns on Biden in 2022, with the hope of taking back the White House in '24 (most likely Romney, if I wanted to place bets). But they know they won't be able to do that so long as Donnie Two-Scoops keeps sucking the proverbial oxygen out of the room.

And mark my words, they'll be just as awful with the same trickle-down bullsh*t they've been forcing down our throats since the days of Reagan.

They're parasites, but parasites with enough intelligence to know that a host is of no use to them if it's dead.


So what? They're running savage attack ads that might convince independents who tend R to think about what Trump is. Of course they'll eventually end up attacking Dems, but perhaps they'll be able to drag the GOP a little closer to the centre and reset the Overton window a bit.

With the GOP as it is today, Romney 2024 seems way optimistic, I've seen Farkers float the idea that they expect Cotton 2024 and that is frightening; every bit as hateful and arrogant as Trump but not dumb as a box of rocks.

I don't think they're trustworthy over the longer term, I certainly wouldn't recommend donating to them, but if they are successful in convincing floating voters that Trump is what we both know he is, then let them do it.

/Obligatory note that I'm just a dumb Brit who spends too much time on Fark, so make of my opinion what you will.
//But damn, it's not just America that gains from getting rid of Trump, but the entire world.
 
2020-08-01 5:45:10 PM  
2 votes:
Here it is from the horse's mouth:

But Schmidt, who it's fair to say is disgusted by Trump, is unapologetic about his life's work. Yes, he urged McCain to pick Sarah Palin as his running mate, a decision ultimately driven by politics. But no, he's not renouncing the Republican Party as he knew it.
"I think a good sign of being an idiot in life is believing that all virtue is vested in one of these political parties and all evil in the other," he says. He rejects those who say he should be ashamed of the past: "The necessity for an act of atonement against conviction is self-righteous and smug at a level that beggars my ability to describe it in the English language. And I would suggest that they're part of the problem, not so much part of the solution."


They're not sorry and the people who think the Republican Party is evil or even that they should be sorry are idiots, and self-righteous and smug.

Sure, they screwed up. For the last fifty years or so. But no point dwelling on the past. We both hate Trump. We're friends now.

They're willing to say they hate everything to do with Trump, but they won't apologize and they won't change.

Listen, if their ads are aimed only at Republicans and they're not trying to get you on board their "sorry, not sorry" wagon, they don't need you to share their ads. Let Republicans share them with Republicans. Republican voters have spent a lot of time and energy inoculating themselves against anything a Democrat believes. So help these folks out by not tainting them with your association.
 
2020-08-01 5:31:04 PM  
2 votes:
mjjt:

Instead of complaining that the originators are not as pure as you like, perhaps should concentrate on the positive effect they are having

what positive effect are these advertisements having?
 
2020-08-01 4:19:08 PM  
2 votes:
This is fine and all, but Obama and Hillary have been living rent-free in Trump's head for four years.  The only thing that held them back were the norms expected of an ex-President and a defeated candidate.  Look at what happened this week when Obama finally took the gloves off.  The entire right-wing lost it's shiat because they're scared to death of him.

The only value Lincoln Project brings is as cannon fodder to draw his wrath.
 
2020-08-02 10:46:54 AM  
1 vote:

thorpe: BMFPitt: thorpe: WE just need to get him sworn in.

If you want to make "we" as small of a group as possible, we won't.

I don't.

*cough

BULLSHIATcough*
 
2020-08-02 10:31:37 AM  
1 vote:

BMFPitt: thorpe: WE just need to get him sworn in.

If you want to make "we" as small of a group as possible, we won't.


I don't.
 
2020-08-02 1:25:50 AM  
1 vote:

Huggermugger: RyansPrivates: Mods: can we ban WaPo links? I won't register on their site. Their ad-wall is a non-starter for me. If they played nice, I'd turn off ad blocker for them (like I do for fark.com).

Do you know how much it costs to subscribe to WaPo?  Ten farking dollars a month.  Hell, I'm retired now on Social Security, and I still am willing to pay that pittance to keep genuine journalism alive.


I'm willing to go to a website that does a good job and leave ads on for my eyeballs (like I do for fark and few other sites). I'm not willing to add another userid and datapoint to the feed the machine. $10 a month per service adds up quick (as cord cutters are finding out).

Good for you for paying for it but I think the policy here at Fark should be: don't link to paywall/trialwall sites. It's annoying to click on links and have ambush pages pop up in front of you. I know why Fark does it: they probably get something via referrer. Doesn't mean I have to like it or agree with it.
 
2020-08-02 12:01:31 AM  
1 vote:
I honestly dont care about them attacking biden when this is all over. These ads are built in such a way that they hit the GOPers first. They wont work on Biden cuz hopefully he wont do half the dumbshiat trump does. if he does, fark him too. First things first tho. Trump. Dont let the perfect be the enemy of the good, or at least effective.
 
2020-08-01 11:52:39 PM  
1 vote:
Remember...these are just the figureheads

They've got to be funded by a large amount of people
Cause they're buying major ad time.

Many conservatives anonymously funding anti T marketing
That's a significant thing in play

I wish they'd play in the daylight
 
2020-08-01 11:04:39 PM  
1 vote:

Huggermugger: RyansPrivates: Mods: can we ban WaPo links? I won't register on their site. Their ad-wall is a non-starter for me. If they played nice, I'd turn off ad blocker for them (like I do for fark.com).

Do you know how much it costs to subscribe to WaPo?  Ten farking dollars a month.  Hell, I'm retired now on Social Security, and I still am willing to pay that pittance to keep genuine journalism alive.


Good thing, too. I hear ol' Pa Bezos is barely able to run his sweatshops these days.

Also, you'll have to forgive me not knowing antiquated terms, but what's "retirement"?
 
2020-08-01 10:34:39 PM  
1 vote:
They don't get credit for putting out a fire they started.

So what if they're attacking Trump. Trump is just a rabid dog they thought they could control. Even if Trump loses the election the threat(the Republican party) remains.
 
2020-08-01 9:23:58 PM  
1 vote:

DoBeDoBeLurk: This a political alliance with a group of Republicans and you can't pretend it's not just because you, personally, only gave them clicks and not real USD. So all you have to fall back on is the idea that it's just for right now and there won't be any consequences.


Ridiculous. Everyone has an agenda, and so do you. I don't trust your motives any more than I trust TLP's. You have an axe to grind against Biden, and only half-heartedly want to see him elected. The same could be said of TLP.

But nonetheless, I'll take the help where it's found. We owe TLP nothing afterward, and your suggestion that we will is unfounded and without evidence.
 
2020-08-01 9:21:15 PM  
1 vote:

EyeballKid: DNC struck down Medicare for All


This didn't happen.  Source: https://www.npr.org/2020/07/2​7/8958004​25/democrats-meet-virtually-to-approve​-platform-that-builds-off-of-biden-san​ders-ef

"The draft party document released last week endorses universal health care and makes it clear that low- or no-cost coverage for every American is the party's eventual goal. Rather than backing a single mandatory government-run health insurance program, however, it calls for adding a public option to the existing Affordable Care Act.
The platform does nod to "Medicare for All," the policy backed by Sanders, saying: "We are proud our party welcomes advocates who want to build on and strengthen the Affordable Care Act and those who support a Medicare for All approach.""
 
2020-08-01 9:19:23 PM  
1 vote:
Acknowledge that liberals and Lincoln Project republicans share some values. It shouldn't be difficult. A democracy and a monarchy can agree that a despotic nation is a problem.
 
2020-08-01 8:40:59 PM  
1 vote:

DoBeDoBeLurk: iron de havilland: DoBeDoBeLurk: I say giving TLP your clicks and your money and your support because they're making free anti-Trump ads is like getting into a van with a a child molester who has free candy.

But you then expect to be taken seriously?

I WAS taken seriously. You were taking me seriously right up until I pointed out you called yourself an idiot. You're now going to join qork in saying no one would buy that thing! when someone in fact bought the thing and ran off with it, happily. What do you think you're accomplishing by fighting my tone?

It doesn't matter anyway. You're eating the candy. I'll still refrain.



The owner and chief admin of Fark.com is a conservative Republican.  You are giving him money every month through Totalfark, Barefark, and Ohfark.  Fark green-lights lots of conservative Republican propaganda.

But it's people having a chuckle and forwarding the latest Lincoln Project commercial which is a big problem.
 
2020-08-01 8:10:26 PM  
1 vote:

Spartapuss: Please stop trying to bring up that I took you seriously just because I stuck with your analogy when imploring you not to be an idiot in this instance.


Leaving the analogy aside for the Tone Police, you said we should back TLP even if they turn out to be a more subtle version of our current threat and we fall prey to them later. You do realize that's terrible, right?
 
2020-08-01 8:06:19 PM  
1 vote:

DoBeDoBeLurk: iron de havilland: DoBeDoBeLurk: I say giving TLP your clicks and your money and your support because they're making free anti-Trump ads is like getting into a van with a a child molester who has free candy.

But you then expect to be taken seriously?

I WAS taken seriously. You were taking me seriously right up until I pointed out you called yourself an idiot. You're now going to join qork in saying no one would buy that thing! when someone in fact bought the thing and ran off with it, happily. What do you think you're accomplishing by fighting my tone?

It doesn't matter anyway. You're eating the candy. I'll still refrain.


Please stop trying to bring up that I took you seriously just because I stuck with your analogy when imploring you not to be an idiot in this instance.
 
2020-08-01 7:47:47 PM  
1 vote:

DoBeDoBeLurk: I say giving TLP your clicks and your money and your support because they're making free anti-Trump ads is like getting into a van with a a child molester who has free candy.


But you then expect to be taken seriously?
 
2020-08-01 7:44:27 PM  
1 vote:

HighOnCraic: blastoh: First, these people laid the groundwork for Trump.

This bears repeating.

/But we should work together to defeat the monster, and once that's done, we can make sure that Dr. Frankenstein never practices medicine again.
//Dr. Funkenstien can continue hitting us with the one, and then, if he likes, hitting us again, because we love you, Funkenstein.
///But Clinton!


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Parliament- The Silent Boatman
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/;D
 
2020-08-01 7:32:13 PM  
1 vote:

qorkfiend: Sorry, you don't get to complain about other people arguing on the grounds you chose


Oh, I didn't know you were the living arbiter of argument law.

YOU don't get to dismiss me out of hand as unreasonable if someone on your side is willing to agree with me on my terms and make them even worse.

You're more upset by my metaphor than by someone saying we need to support TLP even if they get someone worse than Trump elected later. I said people were willing to get into a van with a child molester, and while someone WAS, I still shouldn't SAY that...

qorkfiend: Ok, cool. Next time, say what you mean instead of something that means something else.


Next time look shiat up before you make an assumption and you won't look as silly.
 
2020-08-01 7:24:12 PM  
1 vote:

iron de havilland: As long as they know what they're getting into, if it helps shift the Overton window leftwards,


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iron de havilland: Just as long as those involved know that they will have to divest themselves of TLP at some point.


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But to get back to the original goals posts,

iron de havilland: Anyone saying that is stupid. Talk of allying with them, I mean.

They have a goal that you share, though, in getting rid of Trump. That doesn't mean you have to give them money or declare your love for them.


Now you're okay with Democrats giving them money and declaring their love for them as long as certain conditions are met. Maybe giving Republicans your money will move the Overton Window left! Maybe we should do that! Maybe we can just give them our money for a little while!

iron de havilland: Anyone saying that is stupid. Talk of allying with them, I mean.

 
2020-08-01 7:11:59 PM  
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iron de havilland: As long as they know what they're getting into, if it helps shift the Overton window leftwards, I don't really have a problem with this. Just as long as those involved know that they will have to divest themselves of TLP at some point.


You think voting for the Democrat who'll piss on Medicare for All, the Green New Deal, college debt forgiveness, and cannabis legalization will steer the conversation leftward?

Left of what, the Beer Hall Putsch?
 
2020-08-01 6:56:40 PM  
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JustToLetYouKnowFriend: blastoh: I'm actually done with the Lincoln Project.
Their videos are great and exact what Donald Trump deserves.  But there are two things at play here.

First, these people laid the groundwork for Trump.
Second, they are partially doing what they are doing because they (especially Rick Wilson) get off on being assholes.   Wilson particularly has repeatedly posted about how much fun he has had in making these videos and in writing his attacks in Trump .

Third, these people are grifters who will follow the money.   Yes they realized there is a better long time future in fighting Trump and backing him, but that is it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZI8PA​JcgHg

Its well explained here for folks. 

[YouTube video: The Lincoln Project Project - SOME MORE NEWS]


Act II
 
2020-08-01 6:52:15 PM  
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The Lincoln Project is bombarding Trump with negative energy, that's fine by me as long as Vladimir Putin doesn't get away with whatever he's up to since America is distracted.

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2020-08-01 6:46:46 PM  
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blastoh: I'm actually done with the Lincoln Project.
Their videos are great and exact what Donald Trump deserves.  But there are two things at play here.

First, these people laid the groundwork for Trump.
Second, they are partially doing what they are doing because they (especially Rick Wilson) get off on being assholes.   Wilson particularly has repeatedly posted about how much fun he has had in making these videos and in writing his attacks in Trump .

Third, these people are grifters who will follow the money.   Yes they realized there is a better long time future in fighting Trump and backing him, but that is it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZI8P​A​JcgHg

Its well explained here for folks. 

The Lincoln Project Project - SOME MORE NEWS
Youtube 1ZI8PAJcgHg
 
2020-08-01 6:44:33 PM  
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mjjt: No that's a complete strawman. Nobody is asking you to ally with them, to like them, or to give them money.


FTFA: Their viral videos and tweets mocking his leadership, his intelligence and his patriotism - aimed both at Republican voters who are wavering and Trump himself - have attracted millions of dollars, via donors from both parties. More than 90,000 people showed up for a virtual town hall last month. Lifelong Democrats are organizing fundraisers for the project.

LIFELONG DEMOCRATS ARE ASKING ME TO GIVE THEM MONEY! Someone even outlined TFA for you. Reading is fundamental!
 
2020-08-01 6:42:06 PM  
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DoBeDoBeLurk: Spartapuss: When there's someone else trying to murder you, maybe get in the farking van?

Because maybe the people in the van will just molest you and let you go? You already know they're at least going to do that. This is the level of decision-making that's going on. You do appreciate that the people in the van drove the murderer to the woods to kill you, but you'd rather not run away under your own power, (pay for your own damn ads or, god forbid, election finance reform) so let's all get in the van.

qorkfiend: You're getting mighty unhinged here, friend

I'm not the one telling people to get in the farking van. Somebody just tried to defend TLP by "yes, and"ing getting into a van with a child molester - because the child molester might not murder you. You know, like we teach our kids to do - if someone is going to murder you, run to a child molester for help!

iron de havilland: Anyone saying that is stupid. Talk of allying with them, I mean.

They have a goal that you share, though, in getting rid of Trump. That doesn't mean you have to give them money or declare your love for them. Just let them do their work of pointing out what a complete failure of a human being Trump is, and take advantage of it.

The instant you start USING their work and not just passively allowing it to happen, you are working with them. Democrats are giving them money and throwing fundraisers for them:

Their viral videos and tweets mocking his leadership, his intelligence and his patriotism - aimed both at Republican voters who are wavering and Trump himself - have attracted millions of dollars, via donors from both parties. More than 90,000 people showed up for a virtual town hall last month. Lifelong Democrats are organizing fundraisers for the project.

So, yes, we are allying with them even by your definition. We aren't just taking advantage.


The unhinged part was you making the "child molester" comparison in the first place
 
2020-08-01 6:39:51 PM  
1 vote:
but whatabout CLINTON ON PEDO ISLAND??!!11!!??

/asking for a conservative friend.
 
2020-08-01 6:38:33 PM  
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thorpe: WE just need to get him sworn in.


If you want to make "we" as small of a group as possible, we won't.
 
2020-08-01 6:33:00 PM  
1 vote:

BMFPitt: AAAAGGGGHHHH: They'll turn those big guns on Biden the moment he's sworn in. Count on it.

Fine with me.  They just need to get him sworn in.


WE just need to get him sworn in.
 
2020-08-01 6:24:45 PM  
1 vote:
Yes, by all means help them give the illusion that Republicans can be reasonable.
Keep helping them try to prevent the whole party from going down and being synonymous with Trump.
 
2020-08-01 6:22:52 PM  
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DoBeDoBeLurk: Spartapuss: DoBeDoBeLurk: Here it is from the horse's mouth:

Ok? It's not like anyone doesn't believe you when you say they're shiatty people, That's not the argument.

The argument is it's perfectly okay to ally yourselves with shiatty people because they're giving you free stuff. This is not what we teach our children about strangers with candy. I would like you to step out of the unmarked van and I am certainly not going to climb in there next to you because you say the candy is yummy.

I don't care if they actually do have a puppy for us to pet. It's not hard to get a puppy. It's not hard to film ads. They are pushing the message that all Republicans need to do is renounce Trump and then everything will be fine. No apology. No change. Status quo, or maybe a little worse because red states are steadily gaining in power due to demographic changes and loosening of protections for voters.

You are so distracted by the puppy you're not noticing the guy has his hand down your pants.


You're getting mighty unhinged here, friend
 
2020-08-01 6:22:07 PM  
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Drive him nuts? He's already nuts
 
2020-08-01 6:19:39 PM  
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I'd love to see them do a video where they show a random tweet from Donkey Rump and ask him: "Don't you have a government pandemic response plan to be managing? Oh, right -- no, you don't, you useless pile of crap."

Or:

"Don't you have an awesomely-performing economy to oversee? Oh, right -- no, you don't."

If TLP doesn't, Biden should.
 
2020-08-01 6:19:15 PM  
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DoBeDoBeLurk: Spartapuss: DoBeDoBeLurk: Here it is from the horse's mouth:

Ok? It's not like anyone doesn't believe you when you say they're shiatty people, That's not the argument.

The argument is it's perfectly okay to ally yourselves with shiatty people because they're giving you free stuff. This is not what we teach our children about strangers with candy. I would like you to step out of the unmarked van and I am certainly not going to climb in there next to you because you say the candy is yummy.

I don't care if they actually do have a puppy for us to pet. It's not hard to get a puppy. It's not hard to film ads. They are pushing the message that all Republicans need to do is renounce Trump and then everything will be fine. No apology. No change. Status quo, or maybe a little worse because red states are steadily gaining in power due to demographic changes and loosening of protections for voters.

You are so distracted by the puppy you're not noticing the guy has his hand down your pants.


When there's someone else trying to murder you, maybe get in the farking van?
 
2020-08-01 6:15:19 PM  
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EyeballKid: Insurgent: how are these ads effective?

They distract you from their role in creating President Trump.


well, some people. seems to be mostly catering to moderate libs' sense of smug self-satisfaction.
 
2020-08-01 5:54:43 PM  
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blastoh: I'm actually done with the Lincoln Project.
Their videos are great and exact what Donald Trump deserves.  But there are two things at play here.

First, these people laid the groundwork for Trump.
Second, they are partially doing what they are doing because they (especially Rick Wilson) get off on being assholes.   Wilson particularly has repeatedly posted about how much fun he has had in making these videos and in writing his attacks in Trump .

Third, these people are grifters who will follow the money.   Yes they realized there is a better long time future in fighting Trump and backing him, but that is it.


Politics make strange bedfellows.  Nobody wants another Trump back - so who cares?  Let 'em grift for another 3 months, otherwise we have the king of all grifters for another 4 years.
 
2020-08-01 5:50:15 PM  
1 vote:
If we pull out of this mess, I'd like to throw these guys a party. Have Joe Biden give a speech: "Thank you for your services! They're no longer needed..." just as a Blackhawk ominously rises behind him, air-lifting him out of the building, just above the shockwave of the explosion.

Or, we could just refuse to give them a seat at the table and let them sell their books about how awful and totally not Republican Donald Trump was. Either way, I'm good.
 
2020-08-01 5:49:25 PM  
1 vote:
What function The Lincoln Project should be serving is teaching Democrats how to have an "Attack Dog" wing for their ads.

Dems should be running ad campaigns on two tracks, 1 build up your guy/gal, "Our person is the best, here's all their policy, here they are feeding homeless and fighting for freedom, vote for us"

and then the 2nd wing which functions like TLP.

The first group should denounce the second group, and say they don't publicly approve of such tactics, while secretly high fiving them in the back.
 
2020-08-01 5:41:46 PM  
1 vote:
The Lincoln Project also reminds me of the "what if?" scenario where Claus von Stauffenberg was successful and the bomb did kill Hitler.

Yeah, Hitler would be gone, but there still would be Nazis running Germany!
 
2020-08-01 5:40:41 PM  
1 vote:

AAAAGGGGHHHH: As I said in an earlier thread, people who get their panties wet about The Lincoln Project need to be reminded about the tale of the Frog and the Scorpion.

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They'll turn those big guns on Biden the moment he's sworn in. Count on it.

They may be only wanting to get rid of Trump now because the oaf sucks all the oxygen out of the room and screws up their chances to seek their own elections in 22-24. And if they get back into a majority power, it's back to the same old tax breaks for millionaires/f*ck everybody else platform. As far as they're concerned, Trump's only sin was that he says GOP's quiet parts out loud.


So you would prefer Trump being reelected?  Because those all sound like problems for after Trump is gone.

And using the article's own "firemen" bullsh*t metaphor, I'd like to hope those firemen arrived to put out the fire once and for all and NOT there just to burglarize the place of all it's valuables once the fire's been put out.

If your house was on fire you would turn away people with buckets of water, because they weren't in a firetruck?
 
2020-08-01 5:40:21 PM  
1 vote:
I wonder when they'll do a "Tiny Hands/Tiny Dick" one.
 
2020-08-01 5:36:52 PM  
1 vote:

AAAAGGGGHHHH: imaconnect4guy: Has anyone posted about how they're done with the Lincoln Project and how we shouldn't support them because, surprise, they're Republicans, yet?

Also, I really need some insight on the saying "the enemy of my enemy is my friend."  Can anyone help me out with that?

Saving your post for 2022. I'm sure you'll regret it then.


What would there be to "regret"
 
2020-08-01 5:35:51 PM  
1 vote:
if you think these guys won't ultimately vote for trump, i'd say that's a slim possibility, but you are an idiot for trusting any republican ever.
 
2020-08-01 5:35:43 PM  
1 vote:

imaconnect4guy: Has anyone posted about how they're done with the Lincoln Project and how we shouldn't support them because, surprise, they're Republicans, yet?

Also, I really need some insight on the saying "the enemy of my enemy is my friend."  Can anyone help me out with that?


Saving your post for 2022. I'm sure you'll regret it then.
 
2020-08-01 5:23:49 PM  
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FatherChaos: The Lincoln Project only has one goal: Make sure Trump doesn't get reelected.

Once that happens, they will go back to being dicks who hate the things that make America great.


They have stated multiple times that they plan to both support Biden in his presidency and continue to attack Trumpy senators to get rid of them in 2022.

We'll see how that goes, but for now I'll welcome any aid in getting rid of Trump
 
2020-08-01 5:21:33 PM  
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blastoh: I'm actually done with the Lincoln Project.
Their videos are great and exact what Donald Trump deserves.  But there are two things at play here.

First, these people laid the groundwork for Trump.
Second, they are partially doing what they are doing because they (especially Rick Wilson) get off on being assholes.   Wilson particularly has repeatedly posted about how much fun he has had in making these videos and in writing his attacks in Trump .

Third, these people are grifters who will follow the money.   Yes they realized there is a better long time future in fighting Trump and backing him, but that is it.


People might get it when they're responsible for directing trump 2.0 into a position of power.
 
2020-08-01 5:20:01 PM  
1 vote:
The Lincoln Project only has one goal: Make sure Trump doesn't get reelected.

Once that happens, they will go back to being dicks who hate the things that make America great.
 
2020-08-01 3:48:52 PM  
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blastoh: I'm actually done with the Lincoln Project.
Their videos are great and exact what Donald Trump deserves.  But there are two things at play here.

First, these people laid the groundwork for Trump.
Second, they are partially doing what they are doing because they (especially Rick Wilson) get off on being assholes.   Wilson particularly has repeatedly posted about how much fun he has had in making these videos and in writing his attacks in Trump .

Third, these people are grifters who will follow the money.   Yes they realized there is a better long time future in fighting Trump and backing him, but that is it.


Don't care. Any port in a storm.  This is a bad storm. I know who these people are. They are our allies today. We can save the fussing with them for later. Right now, we need them.
 
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