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2020-08-01 7:36:40 PM  

blastoh: First, these people laid the groundwork for Trump.


This bears repeating.

/But we should work together to defeat the monster, and once that's done, we can make sure that Dr. Frankenstein never practices medicine again.
//Dr. Funkenstien can continue hitting us with the one, and then, if he likes, hitting us again, because we love you, Funkenstein.
///But Clinton!
 
2020-08-01 7:39:39 PM  

DoBeDoBeLurk: qorkfiend: Sorry, you don't get to complain about other people arguing on the grounds you chose

Oh, I didn't know you were the living arbiter of argument law.

YOU don't get to dismiss me out of hand as unreasonable if someone on your side is willing to agree with me on my terms and make them even worse.

You're more upset by my metaphor than by someone saying we need to support TLP even if they get someone worse than Trump elected later. I said people were willing to get into a van with a child molester, and while someone WAS, I still shouldn't SAY that...

qorkfiend: Ok, cool. Next time, say what you mean instead of something that means something else.

Next time look shiat up before you make an assumption and you won't look as silly.


I didn't make any assumptions. I pointed out what your words meant. Your inability to say what you mean isn't my problem.
 
2020-08-01 7:43:22 PM  
DoBeDoBeLurk:
Now you're okay with Democrats giving them money and declaring their love for them as long as certain conditions are met. Maybe giving Republicans your money will move the Overton Window left! Maybe we should do that! Maybe we can just give them our money for a little while!

Multiple posters in this thread have tried to point out to you that you are missing the point. It doesn't matter whether their motives are exactly the same as ours; it doesn't matter if they're taking contributions to fund their ads; it doesn't matter if you think they will attack Democrats next year; it doesn't matter if you don't personally like them.

They are helping defeat Trump et al. Any aid that helps bring Trump down is worth having.
 
2020-08-01 7:44:27 PM  

HighOnCraic: blastoh: First, these people laid the groundwork for Trump.

This bears repeating.

/But we should work together to defeat the monster, and once that's done, we can make sure that Dr. Frankenstein never practices medicine again.
//Dr. Funkenstien can continue hitting us with the one, and then, if he likes, hitting us again, because we love you, Funkenstein.
///But Clinton!


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/;D
 
2020-08-01 7:45:12 PM  

iron de havilland: DoBeDoBeLurk:

Look, lets just get rid of Trump first, before we have a discussion on how the deck chairs should be arranged.


Now the whole subject is irrelevant? If you didn't want to talk abut this there are other threads and other people to talk to.

Hey, at least now you know you're okay with Democrats forming a temporary alliance with Republicans and you won't call it "stupid" again.

iron de havilland: Isn't qorkfiend a lib, too?

Is he not on the same side as you?


Put down the bong. qork is policing my tone and not EVEN expressing an opinion on TLP. I say giving TLP your clicks and your money and your support because they're making free anti-Trump ads is like getting into a van with a a child molester who has free candy. qork says my metaphor is "unhinged," even though I've got someone else telling everyone to get in the van. We do not agree and we are on opposite sides. Democrats are not like the Helens from Kids in the Hall.
 
2020-08-01 7:46:00 PM  

AAAAGGGGHHHH: ...The Tale of the Frog and the Scorpion.


Counterpoint:

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2020-08-01 7:46:10 PM  
That tune actually has a really nice riff on the Skye Boat Song.
 
2020-08-01 7:47:12 PM  

WTFDYW: blastoh: I'm actually done with the Lincoln Project.
Their videos are great and exact what Donald Trump deserves.  But there are two things at play here.

First, these people laid the groundwork for Trump.
Second, they are partially doing what they are doing because they (especially Rick Wilson) get off on being assholes.   Wilson particularly has repeatedly posted about how much fun he has had in making these videos and in writing his attacks in Trump .

Third, these people are grifters who will follow the money.   Yes they realized there is a better long time future in fighting Trump and backing him, but that is it.

Don't care. Any port in a storm.  This is a bad storm. I know who these people are. They are our allies today. We can save the fussing with them for later. Right now, we need them.


They are currently performing the job democrats are always loath to do
let them fight
 
2020-08-01 7:47:47 PM  

DoBeDoBeLurk: I say giving TLP your clicks and your money and your support because they're making free anti-Trump ads is like getting into a van with a a child molester who has free candy.


But you then expect to be taken seriously?
 
2020-08-01 7:50:31 PM  

iron de havilland: DoBeDoBeLurk: qorkfiend: Sorry, you don't get to complain about other people arguing on the grounds you chose


Oh, I didn't know you were the living arbiter of argument law.

YOU don't get to dismiss me out of hand as unreasonable if someone on your side is willing to agree with me on my terms and make them even worse.

Isn't qorkfiend a lib, too?

Is he not on the same side as you?


Some might say

Others might not
 
2020-08-01 7:51:03 PM  

Mentat: The only value Lincoln Project brings is as cannon fodder to draw his wrath.


They are experts at manipulating republican voters and are using it against Trump and his supporters. I'd say that's pretty valuable. Sure they're still assholes, but when it comes to fighting fascism history has shone that a temporary and uneasy alliance with people you hate can get the job done.
 
2020-08-01 7:51:56 PM  

iron de havilland: Well, if you're convinced that Trump is the best thing for the US, I'm not sure what to say to you.


Yes, anyone who isn't thrilled with another Democratic President who'll cave to right-wing demands due in part to having the same financial backers as the right wing must want another four years of Trump.

Or, maybe you had a different memory of the McConnell-Boehner co-presidency when we committed even further into Iraq and Afghanistan, continued torturing non-combatants, made the Dubya tax cuts permanent, increased the domestic surveillance state, made irresponsible fracking a staple of domestic energy policy, dramatically increased incarceration and apprehension of undocumented immigrants, and nationalized RomneyCare.
 
2020-08-01 7:52:05 PM  

FlashHarry: blastoh: I'm actually done with the Lincoln Project.

You'r right. It's much more important to be pure than to win.


Because there are only two options.

Because the only thing keeping Trump from being reelected are some videos  from the Lincoln Project reminding everyone how horrible Trump is.
 
2020-08-01 7:54:33 PM  

mjjt: DoBeDoBeLurk:
Now you're okay with Democrats giving them money and declaring their love for them as long as certain conditions are met. Maybe giving Republicans your money will move the Overton Window left! Maybe we should do that! Maybe we can just give them our money for a little while!

Multiple posters in this thread have tried to point out to you that you are missing the point. It doesn't matter whether their motives are exactly the same as ours; it doesn't matter if they're taking contributions to fund their ads; it doesn't matter if you think they will attack Democrats next year; it doesn't matter if you don't personally like them.

They are helping defeat Trump et al. Any aid that helps bring Trump down is worth having.


Multiple people are making bad arguments which a read through TFA disproves.

mjjt: No that's a complete strawman. Nobody is asking you to ally with them, to like them, or to give them money.


But it wasn't a strawman, was it, mjjt? Two of you have tried to tell me no one is asking me to give them money, when in fact Democrats are asking me to give them money and are giving them money.

And as far as liking them, someone ITT is telling me to get into their metaphorical van even if they kill me later.

Spartapuss: I'll take my chances with the guy who's not carrying the chainsaw instead trying to hold my ground, thank you. If he becomes an issue afterward, well I'm farked because he's Jim Jones or something...


This a political alliance with a group of Republicans and you can't pretend it's not just because you, personally, only gave them clicks and not real USD. So all you have to fall back on is the idea that it's just for right now and there won't be any consequences.

Good luck with that.
 
2020-08-01 7:55:11 PM  

DoBeDoBeLurk: iron de havilland: DoBeDoBeLurk:

Look, lets just get rid of Trump first, before we have a discussion on how the deck chairs should be arranged.

Now the whole subject is irrelevant? If you didn't want to talk abut this there are other threads and other people to talk to.

Hey, at least now you know you're okay with Democrats forming a temporary alliance with Republicans and you won't call it "stupid" again.

iron de havilland: Isn't qorkfiend a lib, too?

Is he not on the same side as you?

Put down the bong. qork is policing my tone and not EVEN expressing an opinion on TLP. I say giving TLP your clicks and your money and your support because they're making free anti-Trump ads is like getting into a van with a a child molester who has free candy. qork says my metaphor is "unhinged," even though I've got someone else telling everyone to get in the van. We do not agree and we are on opposite sides. Democrats are not like the Helens from Kids in the Hall.


Really? "What about that other guy"?
 
2020-08-01 7:55:26 PM  

EyeballKid: iron de havilland: Well, if you're convinced that Trump is the best thing for the US, I'm not sure what to say to you.

Yes, anyone who isn't thrilled with another Democratic President who'll cave to right-wing demands due in part to having the same financial backers as the right wing must want another four years of Trump.

Or, maybe you had a different memory of the McConnell-Boehner co-presidency when we committed even further into Iraq and Afghanistan, continued torturing non-combatants, made the Dubya tax cuts permanent, increased the domestic surveillance state, made irresponsible fracking a staple of domestic energy policy, dramatically increased incarceration and apprehension of undocumented immigrants, and nationalized RomneyCare.


Well, shall we vote against Trump for the lols, just to see what might happen when there isn't a madman in the big chair?
 
2020-08-01 7:59:25 PM  

iron de havilland: DoBeDoBeLurk: I say giving TLP your clicks and your money and your support because they're making free anti-Trump ads is like getting into a van with a a child molester who has free candy.

But you then expect to be taken seriously?


I WAS taken seriously. You were taking me seriously right up until I pointed out you called yourself an idiot. You're now going to join qork in saying no one would buy that thing! when someone in fact bought the thing and ran off with it, happily. What do you think you're accomplishing by fighting my tone?

It doesn't matter anyway. You're eating the candy. I'll still refrain.
 
2020-08-01 7:59:45 PM  

iron de havilland: EyeballKid: iron de havilland: Well, if you're convinced that Trump is the best thing for the US, I'm not sure what to say to you.

Yes, anyone who isn't thrilled with another Democratic President who'll cave to right-wing demands due in part to having the same financial backers as the right wing must want another four years of Trump.

Or, maybe you had a different memory of the McConnell-Boehner co-presidency when we committed even further into Iraq and Afghanistan, continued torturing non-combatants, made the Dubya tax cuts permanent, increased the domestic surveillance state, made irresponsible fracking a staple of domestic energy policy, dramatically increased incarceration and apprehension of undocumented immigrants, and nationalized RomneyCare.

Well, shall we vote against Trump for the lols, just to see what might happen when there isn't a madman in the big chair?


It'll be another McConnell de facto presidency. And that could have been different, but $40 million was spent in out-of-state donations to make sure McConnell faces a clueless patsy in the general election. Won't be surprised to learn that the Lincoln Project donated to Amy McGrath's campaign to ensure that McConnell's seat is safe.
 
2020-08-01 8:06:19 PM  

DoBeDoBeLurk: iron de havilland: DoBeDoBeLurk: I say giving TLP your clicks and your money and your support because they're making free anti-Trump ads is like getting into a van with a a child molester who has free candy.

But you then expect to be taken seriously?

I WAS taken seriously. You were taking me seriously right up until I pointed out you called yourself an idiot. You're now going to join qork in saying no one would buy that thing! when someone in fact bought the thing and ran off with it, happily. What do you think you're accomplishing by fighting my tone?

It doesn't matter anyway. You're eating the candy. I'll still refrain.


Please stop trying to bring up that I took you seriously just because I stuck with your analogy when imploring you not to be an idiot in this instance.
 
2020-08-01 8:06:19 PM  
I've got my own issues regarding for whom to vote, btw.

Used to be, all of Scotland was Labour. Then most of it went SNP. And in the next general election, since Labour got a decent leader, there's a chance that since Westminster is FPTP, the SNP and Labour could split the vote, and end up with another Tory in charge at Westminster.

I think I'll just vote SNP, because Johnson's COVID response has been awful, which should suppress the right-wing vote, and my desire to be disassociated from Brexiteer morons means I kind of de facto have to support Scottish nationalism, even if Starmer has done well in showing what a prick Johnson is.
 
2020-08-01 8:10:26 PM  

Spartapuss: Please stop trying to bring up that I took you seriously just because I stuck with your analogy when imploring you not to be an idiot in this instance.


Leaving the analogy aside for the Tone Police, you said we should back TLP even if they turn out to be a more subtle version of our current threat and we fall prey to them later. You do realize that's terrible, right?
 
2020-08-01 8:15:19 PM  

DoBeDoBeLurk: Spartapuss: Please stop trying to bring up that I took you seriously just because I stuck with your analogy when imploring you not to be an idiot in this instance.

Leaving the analogy aside for the Tone Police, you said we should back TLP even if they turn out to be a more subtle version of our current threat and we fall prey to them later. You do realize that's terrible, right?


I didn't say "fall prey to them", I said, "deal with them". You're the one telling me, how I stand no chance against their evil spell.
 
2020-08-01 8:30:19 PM  

Spartapuss: DoBeDoBeLurk: Spartapuss: Please stop trying to bring up that I took you seriously just because I stuck with your analogy when imploring you not to be an idiot in this instance.

Leaving the analogy aside for the Tone Police, you said we should back TLP even if they turn out to be a more subtle version of our current threat and we fall prey to them later. You do realize that's terrible, right?

I didn't say "fall prey to them", I said, "deal with them". You're the one telling me, how I stand no chance against their evil spell.


Do you even metaphor? Your stereotypical chainsaw murderer is either Jason or Leatherface. You said to get away from someone with a chainsaw, you would get into a van with Jim Jones.

Do you know Jim Jones?

He started his own totalitarian regime in the jungle of Guyana and killed 918 people with cyanide, 304 of them were children. Jason and Leatherface killed a few teenagers, they don't add up to Jim Jones combined.

You're saying you would submit to that level of carnage later because there is a threat right now. Not even "well, maybe he won't." No, it definitely is Jim Jones and he will, but you'll "deal with" it. I didn't go that far. You signed us all up for Trump the Sequel : This Time, He's Worse! as long as we can get away from Trump the First.

I feel like I'm talking to Eleanor Shellstrop. Do you not get how that's worse? You didn't get agree to my terms, you escalated and then agreed to them.

You made a more severe argument than I did. You said even if they get us Trump 2 later, we still need to ally with them now, and deal with whatever happens later later. I guess that's a problem for Future Spartapuss. I can only hope you're overreacting to someone disagreeing with you on the internet and you don't really think a better Trump is an OK price to pay as long as we can get rid of this one.
 
2020-08-01 8:31:05 PM  

iron de havilland: HighOnCraic: blastoh: First, these people laid the groundwork for Trump.

This bears repeating.

/But we should work together to defeat the monster, and once that's done, we can make sure that Dr. Frankenstein never practices medicine again.
//Dr. Funkenstien Funkenstein can continue hitting us with the one, and then, if he likes, hitting us again, because we love you, Funkenstein.
///But Clinton!

[i.imgflip.com image 622x415]

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/_CK8KPh1​67g]

/;D


I used to own that CD, so I understood that reference.

For those that missed it, here it is:

Parliament - Osmium (1970) Full Album
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2020-08-01 8:33:42 PM  
I can't wait to see how these threads start to look after two more months of this. Conversation is thiclose to falling over a cliff like "TLP is only pretending to oppose Trump right now because they have dirt on Biden that they will reveal before the inauguration so psych Trump wins after all."
/waiting for the inevitable Q tie-in
 
2020-08-01 8:36:25 PM  

DoBeDoBeLurk: Do you even metaphor? Your stereotypical chainsaw murderer is either Jason or Leatherface. You said to get away from someone with a chainsaw, you would get into a van with Jim Jones.

Do you know Jim Jones?

He started his own totalitarian regime in the jungle of Guyana and killed 918 people with cyanide, 304 of them were children. Jason and Leatherface killed a few teenagers, they don't add up to Jim Jones combined.

You're saying you would submit to that level of carnage later because there is a threat right now. Not even "well, maybe he won't." No, it definitely is Jim Jones and he will, but you'll "deal with" it. I didn't go that far. You signed us all up for Trump the Sequel : This Time, He's Worse! as long as we can get away from Trump the First.


Yeah, look, we're all signed up to Trump 2: American Boogaloo if enough Americans aren't convinced to vote against him.

You know he's shiat. I know he's shiat. But, if this farking muppet wins a second term, we are both screwed.

He's already sending jackbooted thugs into American cities to break the US constitution. What abuses of power will he do if he gets a second term?

Please save your grievances for after he's removed.
 
2020-08-01 8:40:59 PM  

DoBeDoBeLurk: iron de havilland: DoBeDoBeLurk: I say giving TLP your clicks and your money and your support because they're making free anti-Trump ads is like getting into a van with a a child molester who has free candy.

But you then expect to be taken seriously?

I WAS taken seriously. You were taking me seriously right up until I pointed out you called yourself an idiot. You're now going to join qork in saying no one would buy that thing! when someone in fact bought the thing and ran off with it, happily. What do you think you're accomplishing by fighting my tone?

It doesn't matter anyway. You're eating the candy. I'll still refrain.



The owner and chief admin of Fark.com is a conservative Republican.  You are giving him money every month through Totalfark, Barefark, and Ohfark.  Fark green-lights lots of conservative Republican propaganda.

But it's people having a chuckle and forwarding the latest Lincoln Project commercial which is a big problem.
 
2020-08-01 8:51:08 PM  

DoBeDoBeLurk: It doesn't matter anyway. You're eating the candy. I'll still refrain.


Wow, I missed this comment.

No, I'm not eating the candy in your metaphor. I'm in favour of anyone who can convince people that Donald Trump is an asshole. I know he is. I'm not so far from his Balmedie golf course. When I've been having a drink, the notion of pooping in one of the holes has crossed my mind, but I guess I'd have to get a bus to get close enough to do that, and that's slightly difficult.

If you seriously believe that people who are fighting against Donald Trump and trying to show him for the fool he is are against your agenda, you may need to reconsider your agenda.

I am against Donald Trump. I am against Republicans. You should have seen my face when Bush II was elected in 2004. But, if you want to have a functioning adult running the country, you need to run a media campaign for that person. Again, I'm a Brit. I think I'd rather have Warren in the big chair. But however it works out, you need a functional adult running the country, and if that means you have to vote for Biden, against your own instincts, you should farking do it.
 
2020-08-01 8:53:38 PM  

DoBeDoBeLurk: mjjt: DoBeDoBeLurk:
Now you're okay with Democrats giving them money and declaring their love for them as long as certain conditions are met. Maybe giving Republicans your money will move the Overton Window left! Maybe we should do that! Maybe we can just give them our money for a little while!

Multiple posters in this thread have tried to point out to you that you are missing the point. It doesn't matter whether their motives are exactly the same as ours; it doesn't matter if they're taking contributions to fund their ads; it doesn't matter if you think they will attack Democrats next year; it doesn't matter if you don't personally like them.

They are helping defeat Trump et al. Any aid that helps bring Trump down is worth having.

Multiple people are making bad arguments which a read through TFA disproves.

mjjt: No that's a complete strawman. Nobody is asking you to ally with them, to like them, or to give them money.

But it wasn't a strawman, was it, mjjt? Two of you have tried to tell me no one is asking me to give them money, when in fact Democrats are asking me to give them money and are giving them money.

And as far as liking them, someone ITT is telling me to get into their metaphorical van even if they kill me later.

Spartapuss: I'll take my chances with the guy who's not carrying the chainsaw instead trying to hold my ground, thank you. If he becomes an issue afterward, well I'm farked because he's Jim Jones or something...

This a political alliance with a group of Republicans and you can't pretend it's not just because you, personally, only gave them clicks and not real USD. So all you have to fall back on is the idea that it's just for right now and there won't be any consequences.

Good luck with that.


Carry on Capt Oblivious. You're so busy squabbling over twigs that you can't see the forest
 
2020-08-01 8:54:40 PM  

DoBeDoBeLurk: Spartapuss: DoBeDoBeLurk: Spartapuss: Please stop trying to bring up that I took you seriously just because I stuck with your analogy when imploring you not to be an idiot in this instance.

Leaving the analogy aside for the Tone Police, you said we should back TLP even if they turn out to be a more subtle version of our current threat and we fall prey to them later. You do realize that's terrible, right?

I didn't say "fall prey to them", I said, "deal with them". You're the one telling me, how I stand no chance against their evil spell.

Do you even metaphor? Your stereotypical chainsaw murderer is either Jason or Leatherface. You said to get away from someone with a chainsaw, you would get into a van with Jim Jones.

Do you know Jim Jones?

He started his own totalitarian regime in the jungle of Guyana and killed 918 people with cyanide, 304 of them were children. Jason and Leatherface killed a few teenagers, they don't add up to Jim Jones combined.

You're saying you would submit to that level of carnage later because there is a threat right now. Not even "well, maybe he won't." No, it definitely is Jim Jones and he will, but you'll "deal with" it. I didn't go that far. You signed us all up for Trump the Sequel : This Time, He's Worse! as long as we can get away from Trump the First.

I feel like I'm talking to Eleanor Shellstrop. Do you not get how that's worse? You didn't get agree to my terms, you escalated and then agreed to them.

You made a more severe argument than I did. You said even if they get us Trump 2 later, we still need to ally with them now, and deal with whatever happens later later. I guess that's a problem for Future Spartapuss. I can only hope you're overreacting to someone disagreeing with you on the internet and you don't really think a better Trump is an OK price to pay as long as we can get rid of this one.


The Jim Jones quip was my attempt at being flippant trying to follow your train of thought that included this gem:
I think it's too late. The cyanide has sugar in it and people are telling themselves they'll stop drinking it when the election is over

I'd rather deal with anything The Lincoln Project wants to throw at us when Trump's die-hard base is demoralized, yes. I personally don't see a conservative schism being out of the question but that's just me. I don't give a shiat if you don't want to acknowledge the Lincoln Project, I just don't see the point in lambasting other people for helping their message get around. I REALLY don't get the point of ambushing Rick Wilson and humiliating him by explaining how his faction is just like Trump. Like, no, really dude, EXACTLY AS BAD AS TRUMP. TRUMP AND TLP COULD TOTALLY BREAK BREAD IF TLP STOPPED TRYING TO APPEAL TO THE PEOPLE THAT HATE THEM AND EVERYTHING THEY STAND FOR INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, ARGUING COSMETIC DIFFERENCES!
 
2020-08-01 8:59:04 PM  

The Cat Who Walks By Herself: I can't wait to see how these threads start to look after two more months of this. Conversation is thiclose to falling over a cliff like "TLP is only pretending to oppose Trump right now because they have dirt on Biden that they will reveal before the inauguration so psych Trump wins after all."
/waiting for the inevitable Q tie-in


I don't think it's a kooky conspiracy theory that the Democratic Party is giving more sway to its moneyed right wing supporters than it is their on-the-ground voting bloc. Look at the nominee and how the DNC struck down Medicare for All and cannabis legalization - both of which the majority of the country supports - from its policy planks.
 
2020-08-01 9:07:28 PM  

The Cat Who Walks By Herself: I can't wait to see how these threads start to look after two more months of this. Conversation is thiclose to falling over a cliff like "TLP is only pretending to oppose Trump right now because they have dirt on Biden that they will reveal before the inauguration so psych Trump wins after all."
/waiting for the inevitable Q tie-in


Or we just keep pointing out TLP is Evil as f*ck.  Liking their sh*t makes progressives cry.
 
2020-08-01 9:11:45 PM  

iron de havilland: DoBeDoBeLurk: I say giving TLP your clicks and your money and your support because they're making free anti-Trump ads is like getting into a van with a a child molester who has free candy.

But you then expect to be taken seriously?


Whoa Mom and Dad we can hear you all the way upstairs.

Look, DoBeDo has a point. It's one thing to watch the ads be like HAHAHA NICE the same way watching a wrestling cage match is awesome. But TLP for entertainment, and TLP as something to support with money, is two different things. I love the TLP ads. I would never send them money, because they are deep red Bush Era Republicans who helped to discredit constitutional rule of law, in favour of police discretion and violence in every part of surveillance state life. I am certain that is not an understatement of their purpose.

If we donate money to them today, they will spend it on destroying us tomorrow.

In my wildest fantasies, after Biden is elected, TLP say, "And that is all we need to do for politics, because we have clutched power long enough. The world is different now than when we tried to rule twenty years ago. There is no more money for us to gain, there is no more power that we need to wield. Our wars failed, and we were barely able to deliver our nation's sorry, sickened, broke asses from Trump. Goodbye! We retire, we are going to the beach and never coming back."
 
2020-08-01 9:12:13 PM  

mjjt: blastoh: I'm actually done with the Lincoln Project.
Their videos are great and exact what Donald Trump deserves.  But there are two things at play here.

First, these people laid the groundwork for Trump.
Second, they are partially doing what they are doing because they (especially Rick Wilson) get off on being assholes.   Wilson particularly has repeatedly posted about how much fun he has had in making these videos and in writing his attacks in Trump .

Third, these people are grifters who will follow the money.   Yes they realized there is a better long time future in fighting Trump and backing him, but that is it.

Ah, I think you might need to reorder your priorities.

Instead of complaining that the originators are not as pure as you like, perhaps should concentrate on the positive effect they are having


Purity is always more important that accomplishing anything.

Wait for the Schiteshop when Biden picks his VP.
 
2020-08-01 9:14:25 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: Whoa Mom and Dad we can hear you all the way upstairs.

Look, DoBeDo has a point. It's one thing to watch the ads be like HAHAHA NICE the same way watching a wrestling cage match is awesome. But TLP for entertainment, and TLP as something to support with money, is two different things. I love the TLP ads. I would never send them money, because they are deep red Bush Era Republicans who helped to discredit constitutional rule of law, in favour of police discretion and violence in every part of surveillance state life. I am certain that is not an understatement of their purpose.

If we donate money to them today, they will spend it on destroying us tomorrow.


I agree with this.

Just please, everyone, let us get rid of Donald Trump before we fall into petty squabbles.
 
2020-08-01 9:14:48 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: iron de havilland: DoBeDoBeLurk: I say giving TLP your clicks and your money and your support because they're making free anti-Trump ads is like getting into a van with a a child molester who has free candy.

But you then expect to be taken seriously?

Whoa Mom and Dad we can hear you all the way upstairs.

Look, DoBeDo has a point. It's one thing to watch the ads be like HAHAHA NICE the same way watching a wrestling cage match is awesome. But TLP for entertainment, and TLP as something to support with money, is two different things. I love the TLP ads. I would never send them money, because they are deep red Bush Era Republicans who helped to discredit constitutional rule of law, in favour of police discretion and violence in every part of surveillance state life. I am certain that is not an understatement of their purpose.

If we donate money to them today, they will spend it on destroying us tomorrow.

In my wildest fantasies, after Biden is elected, TLP say, "And that is all we need to do for politics, because we have clutched power long enough. The world is different now than when we tried to rule twenty years ago. There is no more money for us to gain, there is no more power that we need to wield. Our wars failed, and we were barely able to deliver our nation's sorry, sickened, broke asses from Trump. Goodbye! We retire, we are going to the beach and never coming back."


You don't get the insidiousness of TLP!

To quote your friend:
This a political alliance with a group of Republicans and you can't pretend it's not just because you, personally, only gave them clicks and not real USD. So all you have to fall back on is the idea that it's just for right now and there won't be any consequences.

Good luck with that.


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2020-08-01 9:19:01 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: I love the TLP ads. I would never send them money, because they are deep red Bush Era Republicans who helped to discredit constitutional rule of law, in favour of police discretion and violence in every part of surveillance state life. I am certain that is not an understatement of their purpose.

If we donate money to them today, they will spend it on destroying us tomorrow.


This I can get behind. The only thing about TLP that has made me queasy is when they started openly asking for money.

I love, and support, their ads. I will never send them any money.
 
2020-08-01 9:19:23 PM  
Acknowledge that liberals and Lincoln Project republicans share some values. It shouldn't be difficult. A democracy and a monarchy can agree that a despotic nation is a problem.
 
2020-08-01 9:21:15 PM  

EyeballKid: DNC struck down Medicare for All


This didn't happen.  Source: https://www.npr.org/2020/07/2​7/8958004​25/democrats-meet-virtually-to-approve​-platform-that-builds-off-of-biden-san​ders-ef

"The draft party document released last week endorses universal health care and makes it clear that low- or no-cost coverage for every American is the party's eventual goal. Rather than backing a single mandatory government-run health insurance program, however, it calls for adding a public option to the existing Affordable Care Act.
The platform does nod to "Medicare for All," the policy backed by Sanders, saying: "We are proud our party welcomes advocates who want to build on and strengthen the Affordable Care Act and those who support a Medicare for All approach.""
 
2020-08-01 9:23:09 PM  

Deathbymeteor: EyeballKid: DNC struck down Medicare for All

This didn't happen.  Source: https://www.npr.org/2020/07/27​/895800425/democrats-meet-virtually-to​-approve-platform-that-builds-off-of-b​iden-sanders-ef

"The draft party document released last week endorses universal health care and makes it clear that low- or no-cost coverage for every American is the party's eventual goal. Rather than backing a single mandatory government-run health insurance program, however, it calls for adding a public option to the existing Affordable Care Act.
The platform does nod to "Medicare for All," the policy backed by Sanders, saying: "We are proud our party welcomes advocates who want to build on and strengthen the Affordable Care Act and those who support a Medicare for All approach.""


Oh, well, if the Nice Polite Republicans say so!
 
2020-08-01 9:23:58 PM  

DoBeDoBeLurk: This a political alliance with a group of Republicans and you can't pretend it's not just because you, personally, only gave them clicks and not real USD. So all you have to fall back on is the idea that it's just for right now and there won't be any consequences.


Ridiculous. Everyone has an agenda, and so do you. I don't trust your motives any more than I trust TLP's. You have an axe to grind against Biden, and only half-heartedly want to see him elected. The same could be said of TLP.

But nonetheless, I'll take the help where it's found. We owe TLP nothing afterward, and your suggestion that we will is unfounded and without evidence.
 
2020-08-01 9:26:21 PM  
AAAAGGGGHHHH:

Ask John Kerry about a phrase called "swift boating".

I don't recall John Kerry being "sworn in." Maybe I missed something.
 
2020-08-01 9:35:05 PM  
Mods: can we ban WaPo links? I won't register on their site. Their ad-wall is a non-starter for me. If they played nice, I'd turn off ad blocker for them (like I do for fark.com).
 
2020-08-01 9:35:55 PM  

Dear Jerk: Acknowledge that liberals and Lincoln Project republicans share some values.


Those values are, specifically, hating the poor and refusing to help anyone not directly affecting them.
 
2020-08-01 9:36:13 PM  

HighOnCraic: iron de havilland: HighOnCraic: blastoh: First, these people laid the groundwork for Trump.

This bears repeating.

/But we should work together to defeat the monster, and once that's done, we can make sure that Dr. Frankenstein never practices medicine again.
//Dr. Funkenstien Funkenstein can continue hitting us with the one, and then, if he likes, hitting us again, because we love you, Funkenstein.
///But Clinton!

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/;D

I used to own that CD, so I understood that reference.

For those that missed it, here it is:

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Give these guys a go. I'm enjoying their music, even if this is a cover version.

Peat & Diesel @ Loopallu 2019 - Dirty Old Town ( Pogues cover )
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2020-08-01 9:36:33 PM  
Democrats should use the Lincoln Project until November 4, then treat them like the enemy they are after that. They're not our friends or allies, but what they're doing can help us in the short term. Let them attack their own party if it will give us an advantage.
 
2020-08-01 9:50:58 PM  

EyeballKid: "Sure, they're racists and grifters who've spent decades creating the ideal conditions for the current white nationalist fascist state we're in, but they're real sorry, and they make good tee vee! Let's give them just a little more power and influence! They pinky swear they'll only influence the non-fascist party a little bit!"


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2020-08-01 10:08:42 PM  

EyeballKid: Deathbymeteor: EyeballKid: DNC struck down Medicare for All

This didn't happen.  Source: https://www.npr.org/2020/07/27​/895800425/democrats-meet-virtually-to​-approve-platform-that-builds-off-of-b​iden-sanders-ef

"The draft party document released last week endorses universal health care and makes it clear that low- or no-cost coverage for every American is the party's eventual goal. Rather than backing a single mandatory government-run health insurance program, however, it calls for adding a public option to the existing Affordable Care Act.
The platform does nod to "Medicare for All," the policy backed by Sanders, saying: "We are proud our party welcomes advocates who want to build on and strengthen the Affordable Care Act and those who support a Medicare for All approach.""

Oh, well, if the Nice Polite Republicans say so!


So, you've got nothing to respond to actual evidence with?  But you're not going to admit to being wrong?

Good to know you can be safely disregarded.
 
2020-08-01 10:09:01 PM  
CSB: Rick Wilson blocked me (a nobody) on Twitter.  Probably because I kept point out that he got rich making racist ads for against Max Cleland and Barack Obama.  The man is a professional snowflake.
 
2020-08-01 10:10:23 PM  

Deathbymeteor: EyeballKid: Deathbymeteor: EyeballKid: DNC struck down Medicare for All

This didn't happen.  Source: https://www.npr.org/2020/07/27​/895800425/democrats-meet-virtually-to​-approve-platform-that-builds-off-of-b​iden-sanders-ef

"The draft party document released last week endorses universal health care and makes it clear that low- or no-cost coverage for every American is the party's eventual goal. Rather than backing a single mandatory government-run health insurance program, however, it calls for adding a public option to the existing Affordable Care Act.
The platform does nod to "Medicare for All," the policy backed by Sanders, saying: "We are proud our party welcomes advocates who want to build on and strengthen the Affordable Care Act and those who support a Medicare for All approach.""

Oh, well, if the Nice Polite Republicans say so!

So, you've got nothing to respond to actual evidence with?  But you're not going to admit to being wrong?

Good to know you can be safely disregarded.


I'm a progressive voter. I'm used to being disregarded making foolish mistakes with no concern  whatsoever about the long-term.

But hey, bet you're looking forward to going back to brunch!
 
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