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(GQ Magazine (UK))   Disney tries to force The Muppets into cultural relevance on new D+ series, reinvents them as influencers with their own viral vlogs. "Lifesty with Miss Piggy," Kermit's "Mup Close and Personal," The Swedish Chef's offbeat recipe videos, and so on   (gq-magazine.co.uk) divider line
    More: Unlikely, The Muppet Show, The Muppet Movie, The Muppet Christmas Carol, The Great Muppet Caper, It's a Very Merry Muppet Christmas Movie, Miss Piggy, The Muppets' Wizard of Oz, mixed reviews  
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2020-08-01 3:33:12 PM  
They're dead. Let them go.
 
2020-08-01 4:45:21 PM  
Kermit drinking tea IS an influencer.
 
2020-08-01 4:58:29 PM  

Straight Outta Wells Branch: They're dead. Let them go.


They've already outlived Jim Henson by over 30 years.  They can make new characters instead.
 
2020-08-01 5:05:48 PM  
Frank Oz is spinning in his grave. They had to tell him to stop or they would evict him for a) spinning and b) trespassing.

Graveyard is not zoned for light industry.
 
2020-08-01 5:31:17 PM  
Are you suggesting the set of characters popularized in a pastiche of vaudeville is having difficulty finding an audience in the 21st century?
 
2020-08-01 6:03:43 PM  

brantgoose: Frank Oz is spinning in his grave. They had to tell him to stop or they would evict him for a) spinning and b) trespassing.

Graveyard is not zoned for light industry.


One problem Frank Oz is not dead.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/​Frank_Oz
 
2020-08-01 6:11:38 PM  
Say what you will about the short lived "The Muppets" series, but I got hooked with the Fozzie Bear's bit about his on-line dating profile (starts at 0:16 in):

"The Muppets": Fozzie Bear Takes Out A Personal Ad
Youtube DbZhX0XTBEs
 
2020-08-01 6:22:39 PM  

Mike_LowELL: Are you suggesting the set of characters popularized in a pastiche of vaudeville is having difficulty finding an audience in the 21st century?


I know Mike is satirical, but I think this is a part of it. Here's the other part, though. I'm going to catch some hell for saying this, but I honestly believe this.

The Muppets last TV series backfired because they finally gave Miss Piggy the lead. The whole power dynamic between Miss Piggy and Kermit is that Kermit was always the emcee & Miss Piggy was always trying to be the lead. The joke is that no matter how hard she tried, she could never truly crack that glass ceiling.

But in the face of #MeToo, there was a bit of of undue pressure to artificially manufacture strong female characters. As a result, Miss Piggy was given what she always wanted, but the joke was ruined as a result. Giving Miss Piggy the emcee role was like letting the Coyote finally catch the Road Runner. Once that happened, the joke had nowhere else to go & you couldn't go back to what it was.

I'm sure no one will have any issue with what I just said. This will be a well-reasoned thread, no doubt.
 
2020-08-01 6:29:46 PM  
It wasn't TMS. It made me smile. I am ok with that.

I didn't feel attacked. triggered or threatened. But I don't usually.
 
2020-08-01 6:32:48 PM  

Straight Outta Wells Branch: Mike_LowELL: Are you suggesting the set of characters popularized in a pastiche of vaudeville is having difficulty finding an audience in the 21st century?

I know Mike is satirical, but I think this is a part of it. Here's the other part, though. I'm going to catch some hell for saying this, but I honestly believe this.

The Muppets last TV series backfired because they finally gave Miss Piggy the lead. The whole power dynamic between Miss Piggy and Kermit is that Kermit was always the emcee & Miss Piggy was always trying to be the lead. The joke is that no matter how hard she tried, she could never truly crack that glass ceiling.

But in the face of #MeToo, there was a bit of of undue pressure to artificially manufacture strong female characters. As a result, Miss Piggy was given what she always wanted, but the joke was ruined as a result. Giving Miss Piggy the emcee role was like letting the Coyote finally catch the Road Runner. Once that happened, the joke had nowhere else to go & you couldn't go back to what it was.

I'm sure no one will have any issue with what I just said. This will be a well-reasoned thread, no doubt.


I never read that deep into it. I always got the attitude that she was a Diva despite not being good enough to be one. Maybe it was just a shallow read since I was a child at the time.
 
2020-08-01 6:36:19 PM  

AppleOptionEsc: I never read that deep into it. I always got the attitude that she was a Diva despite not being good enough to be one. Maybe it was just a shallow read since I was a child at the time.


She's self-absorbed to the point of lashing out at others when challenged about it.

What's more universally American than that?
 
2020-08-01 6:43:03 PM  
I can deal with any of this, but the new voice of Kermit just sounds so farking wrong it took me out of it every time he talked.
 
2020-08-01 6:48:00 PM  
It was cute.  I got a kick out of how biatchy the Swedish Chef was in his segment.
 
2020-08-01 7:14:47 PM  

Erek the Red: Say what you will about the short lived "The Muppets" series, but I got hooked with the Fozzie Bear's bit about his on-line dating profile (starts at 0:16 in):

[YouTube video: "The Muppets": Fozzie Bear Takes Out A Personal Ad]


That was a great show. Who knew a Muppets version of 30 Rock with Kermit as Liz Lemon would have been that good. But it was great.
 
2020-08-01 7:17:24 PM  
I like the The Muppets series that was cancelled. There I said it, haters.
 
2020-08-01 7:20:46 PM  

Straight Outta Wells Branch: Mike_LowELL: Are you suggesting the set of characters popularized in a pastiche of vaudeville is having difficulty finding an audience in the 21st century?

I know Mike is satirical, but I think this is a part of it. Here's the other part, though. I'm going to catch some hell for saying this, but I honestly believe this.

The Muppets last TV series backfired because they finally gave Miss Piggy the lead. The whole power dynamic between Miss Piggy and Kermit is that Kermit was always the emcee & Miss Piggy was always trying to be the lead. The joke is that no matter how hard she tried, she could never truly crack that glass ceiling.

But in the face of #MeToo, there was a bit of of undue pressure to artificially manufacture strong female characters. As a result, Miss Piggy was given what she always wanted, but the joke was ruined as a result. Giving Miss Piggy the emcee role was like letting the Coyote finally catch the Road Runner. Once that happened, the joke had nowhere else to go & you couldn't go back to what it was.

I'm sure no one will have any issue with what I just said. This will be a well-reasoned thread, no doubt.


Dude, really. What were you watching? Kermit was still running the show, if anything they made a Piggy into a parody of herself as a Mariah Carey-level diva.
 
2020-08-01 7:25:34 PM  
If Marge Simpson can be in a Playnoy pictorial. Why can't Janice?
 
2020-08-01 7:39:37 PM  
Vinny's Muppet Movie Pitch
Youtube i8_5OCJVPTM

Hopefully they give Vinny a credit.
 
2020-08-01 7:48:56 PM  
Fisting with Animals will be a hit in Enumclaw, WA.
 
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2020-08-01 8:06:30 PM  
The variety style show actually maps pretty well onto how people consume videos online these days. I liked most of the skits and thought the kermit's photography skit in particular felt in touch with the old muppets.
 
2020-08-01 8:15:08 PM  
There is no singing again, just like in the "The Office" style one from a few years ago. Why do they keep making Muppet shows where they don't sing?
 
2020-08-01 8:16:32 PM  

iremo: There is no singing again, just like in the "The Office" style one from a few years ago. Why do they keep making Muppet shows where they don't sing?


Can't get the lip syncing right?
 
2020-08-01 8:16:32 PM  
I'd watch it, if it wasn't D+.  Don't get me wrong, it's a pretty good value far as streaming services go, but Disney just owns way too much of everything.  I can't bring myself to give them more money.  Maybe if they pulled a Microsoft and started backing Creative Commons and working with creators instead of using them.
 
2020-08-01 8:17:46 PM  

Erek the Red: Say what you will about the short lived "The Muppets" series, but I got hooked with the Fozzie Bear's bit about his on-line dating profile (starts at 0:16 in):

[YouTube video: "The Muppets": Fozzie Bear Takes Out A Personal Ad]


Also more Swedish Chef

The Swedish Chef Throw Down to Rapper's Delight
Youtube VEMWyBWw0cA
 
2020-08-01 8:18:42 PM  

OkieDookie: Fisting with Animals will be a hit in Enumclaw, WA.


That's so wrong yet so Enumclaw.
 
2020-08-01 8:20:04 PM  

Straight Outta Wells Branch: I'm sure no one will have any issue with what I just said. This will be a well-reasoned thread, no doubt.


This reads like you're intentionally looking for a fight.

I've been a Muppets fan since pretty much birth (60s).  I LOVED the new show and was disappointed when it was canceled.  Everything you just typed out never once occurred to me.
 
2020-08-01 8:25:47 PM  
It's like no one wants to bring back the Land of Gorch:(

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2020-08-01 8:56:59 PM  
Did not read the article.  Drinking a truly fine stout and would like to keep it down.
 
2020-08-01 9:13:06 PM  

CaptainFatass: Erek the Red: Say what you will about the short lived "The Muppets" series, but I got hooked with the Fozzie Bear's bit about his on-line dating profile (starts at 0:16 in):

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It hurts me in a very big way that the Muppets reboot didn't take off. I know I'm old as fark, but those characters are eternal to me and always make me smile.


I farking loved the ABC series, I thought it was exactly what the Muppets needed.
 
2020-08-01 9:14:35 PM  

Straight Outta Wells Branch: Mike_LowELL: Are you suggesting the set of characters popularized in a pastiche of vaudeville is having difficulty finding an audience in the 21st century?

I know Mike is satirical, but I think this is a part of it. Here's the other part, though. I'm going to catch some hell for saying this, but I honestly believe this.

The Muppets last TV series backfired because they finally gave Miss Piggy the lead. The whole power dynamic between Miss Piggy and Kermit is that Kermit was always the emcee & Miss Piggy was always trying to be the lead. The joke is that no matter how hard she tried, she could never truly crack that glass ceiling.

But in the face of #MeToo, there was a bit of of undue pressure to artificially manufacture strong female characters. As a result, Miss Piggy was given what she always wanted, but the joke was ruined as a result. Giving Miss Piggy the emcee role was like letting the Coyote finally catch the Road Runner. Once that happened, the joke had nowhere else to go & you couldn't go back to what it was.

I'm sure no one will have any issue with what I just said. This will be a well-reasoned thread, no doubt.


No, that's a very good point. It's also similar to Charlie Brown kicking the football, winning a baseball game, and banging the little Redheaded Girl.

Or how Moonlighting turned to shiat.
 
2020-08-01 9:31:00 PM  
You can never go home again.
 
2020-08-01 9:42:08 PM  

Bslim: I like the The Muppets series that was cancelled. There I said it, haters.


Edgier than the Schick factory.
 
2020-08-01 10:03:18 PM  
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2020-08-01 10:26:59 PM  
The first episode awful, and I couldn't stop wondering if they found the voice that sounds least like Kermit.
 
2020-08-01 10:29:04 PM  

Erek the Red: Say what you will about the short lived "The Muppets" series, but I got hooked with the Fozzie Bear's bit about his on-line dating profile (starts at 0:16 in):

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/DbZhX0XT​BEs]


The Muppets show from 2015 was hilarious. I mean I sort of get if people were expecting warm fuzzy Muppets that they wouldn't have been thrilled with it, but it was closer to the spirit of the original Henson Muppets than people gave it credit for. Oh well
 
2020-08-01 10:30:50 PM  

NeedlesslyCanadian: I can deal with any of this, but the new voice of Kermit just sounds so farking wrong it took me out of it every time he talked.


The voice has been wrong for 30 years
 
2020-08-01 10:32:31 PM  

Straight Outta Wells Branch: Mike_LowELL: Are you suggesting the set of characters popularized in a pastiche of vaudeville is having difficulty finding an audience in the 21st century?

I know Mike is satirical, but I think this is a part of it. Here's the other part, though. I'm going to catch some hell for saying this, but I honestly believe this.

The Muppets last TV series backfired because they finally gave Miss Piggy the lead. The whole power dynamic between Miss Piggy and Kermit is that Kermit was always the emcee & Miss Piggy was always trying to be the lead. The joke is that no matter how hard she tried, she could never truly crack that glass ceiling.

But in the face of #MeToo, there was a bit of of undue pressure to artificially manufacture strong female characters. As a result, Miss Piggy was given what she always wanted, but the joke was ruined as a result. Giving Miss Piggy the emcee role was like letting the Coyote finally catch the Road Runner. Once that happened, the joke had nowhere else to go & you couldn't go back to what it was.

I'm sure no one will have any issue with what I just said. This will be a well-reasoned thread, no doubt.


#metoo was way after the show premiered
 
2020-08-01 10:48:05 PM  

iremo: There is no singing again, just like in the "The Office" style one from a few years ago. Why do they keep making Muppet shows where they don't sing?


Go find the episode where they sing Don't Stop Believin". It's incredibly good.
 
2020-08-01 10:52:40 PM  
Disney is evil.
 
2020-08-01 11:29:19 PM  
Wife and I watched it tonight - it is awful.  Truly dreadful and it makes me sad to say that about the Muppets.
 
2020-08-01 11:44:25 PM  
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2020-08-02 2:05:02 AM  

Straight Outta Wells Branch: But in the face of #MeToo, there was a bit of of undue pressure to artificially manufacture strong female characters. As a result, Miss Piggy was given what she always wanted, but the joke was ruined as a result.


Miss Piggy regularly gained control of things in the old show, the running conflict was a framing device to contextualize some of the skits with the goal of making them funnier.

This was... pretty much the point of every running bit in the show.  It was a vaudeville / variety show deal that lived and died on the (sometimes massively inconsistent) quality of the skits.  What you're trying to push as if it were the heart of the show was an almost completely unserialized framing device that rarely took up more than a minute or two of actual screen time, if even that.

There's a certain amount of leeway as far as "there's no wrong way to watch a TV show", but you're doing the equivalent of saying that SNL is shiat because you don't like the opening monologues.  Dramatically missing the point is understating it.
 
2020-08-02 3:32:25 AM  
Kermit should kick Mickey's ass and take charge of Disney himself.
 
2020-08-02 5:05:16 AM  

Erek the Red: Say what you will about the short lived "The Muppets" series, but I got hooked with the Fozzie Bear's bit about his on-line dating profile (starts at 0:16 in):

[YouTube video: "The Muppets": Fozzie Bear Takes Out A Personal Ad]


That was a good show, but they pushed it too far. I don't think America is or was ready for Muppets drinking alcohol, hooking up or getting divorced. They should have dialed it back a little. Muppets should be a little more magical.

Personally, I liked it.
 
2020-08-02 5:07:01 AM  

iremo: There is no singing again, just like in the "The Office" style one from a few years ago. Why do they keep making Muppet shows where they don't sing?


Singing is Significantly more expensive.
 
2020-08-02 5:07:56 AM  

Summoner101: OkieDookie: Fisting with Animals will be a hit in Enumclaw, WA.

That's so wrong yet so Enumclaw.


Casey Kahne is rolling over in his grave.
 
2020-08-02 6:17:48 AM  

NeedlesslyCanadian: I can deal with any of this, but the new voice of Kermit just sounds so farking wrong it took me out of it every time he talked.


yeah, the new guy really sucks.  Steve Whitmire was good/okay enough, but over the years it seems that he became bitter/jaded for some reason...and they replaced him with this new guy who sucks balls.

It's not just the voice, nobody's recreated the mouth movements Jim did with Kermit.  The current puppeteers just jabber-jaw the mouth movements.
 
2020-08-02 6:57:42 AM  

Straight Outta Wells Branch: Mike_LowELL: Are you suggesting the set of characters popularized in a pastiche of vaudeville is having difficulty finding an audience in the 21st century?

I know Mike is satirical, but I think this is a part of it. Here's the other part, though. I'm going to catch some hell for saying this, but I honestly believe this.

The Muppets last TV series backfired because they finally gave Miss Piggy the lead. The whole power dynamic between Miss Piggy and Kermit is that Kermit was always the emcee & Miss Piggy was always trying to be the lead. The joke is that no matter how hard she tried, she could never truly crack that glass ceiling.

But in the face of #MeToo, there was a bit of of undue pressure to artificially manufacture strong female characters. As a result, Miss Piggy was given what she always wanted, but the joke was ruined as a result. Giving Miss Piggy the emcee role was like letting the Coyote finally catch the Road Runner. Once that happened, the joke had nowhere else to go & you couldn't go back to what it was.

I'm sure no one will have any issue with what I just said. This will be a well-reasoned thread, no doubt.


...okay, I don't want to get in the way of a good Internet Mad at how SJWs ruined my childhood with icky girl, but did you actually watch the show or just see the ads?

Because in the show, Kermit still was the showrunner telling everyone what to do and keeping things clicking along between skits; it's just that the framing device put it backstage as a mockumentary rather than on stage as a neovaudeville show. Piggy was still the diva pushing Kermit around through force of personality but annoyed he wouldn't make everyone do what she said.

And no, the central joke of the Muppets was not that Miss Piggy wants to be a star but there is sexism so she doesn't haha. And if that were the joke, well, there was an absolute tonne of that too, only updated for the modern show business dynamic where women *can* become major stars and power players in their own right but find that they're still boxed in through lots of barely-hidden updates on old stereotypes about women in power. Piggy had her name on the show but she still couldn't control it. That was the principal plot arc of the series.

I genuinely think you didn't watch the show and are either extrapolating why you imagine it probably sucked from the ads, or are recapitulating some YouTube MRA who also didn't watch the show.
 
2020-08-02 8:20:20 AM  
The only real problem with the Muppets 2015 series, was they were about six years too late with the direct riff on The Office format.  It felt like it was originally pitched in 2009.

Maybe they should have dialed back the Office-style interviews and made it more of a 30 Rock style parody.  I thoroughly enjoyed it, and I'm probably going to at least be entertained by the new show.
 
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