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2 days ago  
EXPOSING HORRIBLE 90'S NBA DEFENSES
Youtube zONvMKkIpwA
 
2 days ago  
If the Mavericks end up winning this game, they could close the gap on the Rockets and the Thunder who are currently 1.5 games ahead of them.

But they didn't. They choked it away when they couldn't manage to box out RoCobop, the one dude on the floor whose entire game is built on defense.
 
2 days ago  
That has been towards the top of my list of criticisms of the NBA. Along with traveling and not being allowed your space as a defender.
 
2 days ago  
After I moved to Israel many years ago, I started watching Euroleague basketball. (Yes, Israeli soccer and basketball teams play in Europe and not Asia.) And I came to like it more than the NBA.

When I think of the NBA, it seems like every team has the one superstar. Everyone just gives him the ball for him to score. Rinse and repeat. It gets boring.

But when I watch the "worse" Euroleague play, it seems more interesting and strategic. Barely anyone is a "superstar," so everyone on a team plays as equals. There is more teamwork and passing and strategy and such. And the point totals are a lot lower.

I still hate the last ten seconds takes ten minutes in any country.
 
2 days ago  
Can't blame them for not wanting to drag Covid up and down the court for 48 minutes.
 
2 days ago  
Remember in 1992, when I quit watching the NBA, Pepperidge Farm remembers.
 
2 days ago  
Remember when the NBA wasn't a scripted farce? Pepperidge Farms remembers

/Fixed for subby
 
2 days ago  
Two things

Harden 4 fouls early in first half. Easily should have fouled out, either through offensive or his swipes,

Harden got a foul call literally diving inton2 people, one of the most ridiculous things I have ever seen, how do you defend that? He shot 21 free throws, the only way to play defense if they keep awarding him those calls is to not play

https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/stat​u​s/1289407259253014528?s=20

This is easily one of the most ridiculous things i have seen

Harden ran FB dive 😅 pic.twitter.com/k11yhvZQ10
- SportsCenter (@SportsCenter) August 1, 2020
 
2 days ago  

WillofJ2: Two things

Harden 4 fouls early in first half. Easily should have fouled out, either through offensive or his swipes,

Harden got a foul call literally diving inton2 people, one of the most ridiculous things I have ever seen, how do you defend that? He shot 21 free throws, the only way to play defense if they keep awarding him those calls is to not play

https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/statu​s/1289407259253014528?s=20

This is easily one of the most ridiculous things i have seen

Harden ran FB dive 😅 pic.twitter.com/k11yhvZQ10
- SportsCenter (@SportsCenter) August 1, 2020


Giannis is getting away with fouling everyone he can after he gets his 5th, because the NBA told the refs to not foul him out any game, and other teams are now calling the NBA out over it.
 
2 days ago  
Hell, I remember when NBA players were able to be the co-pilots on airliners.

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2 days ago  

bostonguy: After I moved to Israel many years ago, I started watching Euroleague basketball. (Yes, Israeli soccer and basketball teams play in Europe and not Asia.) And I came to like it more than the NBA.

When I think of the NBA, it seems like every team has the one superstar. Everyone just gives him the ball for him to score. Rinse and repeat. It gets boring.

But when I watch the "worse" Euroleague play, it seems more interesting and strategic. Barely anyone is a "superstar," so everyone on a team plays as equals. There is more teamwork and passing and strategy and such. And the point totals are a lot lower.


"Did you explain the Israelis strong fundamentals make up for a lack of dunking?"
"Yes, they just laughed"
 
2 days ago  

whither_apophis: bostonguy: After I moved to Israel many years ago, I started watching Euroleague basketball. (Yes, Israeli soccer and basketball teams play in Europe and not Asia.) And I came to like it more than the NBA.

When I think of the NBA, it seems like every team has the one superstar. Everyone just gives him the ball for him to score. Rinse and repeat. It gets boring.

But when I watch the "worse" Euroleague play, it seems more interesting and strategic. Barely anyone is a "superstar," so everyone on a team plays as equals. There is more teamwork and passing and strategy and such. And the point totals are a lot lower.

"Did you explain the Israelis strong fundamentals make up for a lack of dunking?"
"Yes, they just laughed"


In Europe they are playing basketball, in the US we are playing showboatbasketball.
 
2 days ago  

whither_apophis: bostonguy: After I moved to Israel many years ago, I started watching Euroleague basketball. (Yes, Israeli soccer and basketball teams play in Europe and not Asia.) And I came to like it more than the NBA.

When I think of the NBA, it seems like every team has the one superstar. Everyone just gives him the ball for him to score. Rinse and repeat. It gets boring.

But when I watch the "worse" Euroleague play, it seems more interesting and strategic. Barely anyone is a "superstar," so everyone on a team plays as equals. There is more teamwork and passing and strategy and such. And the point totals are a lot lower.

"Did you explain the Israelis strong fundamentals make up for a lack of dunking?"
"Yes, they just laughed"


See wnba, a product they bending over backwards to promote and seem to have the most entitled athletes alive
 
2 days ago  

ClavellBCMI: WillofJ2: Two things

Harden 4 fouls early in first half. Easily should have fouled out, either through offensive or his swipes,

Harden got a foul call literally diving inton2 people, one of the most ridiculous things I have ever seen, how do you defend that? He shot 21 free throws, the only way to play defense if they keep awarding him those calls is to not play

https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/statu​s/1289407259253014528?s=20

This is easily one of the most ridiculous things i have seen

Harden ran FB dive 😅 pic.twitter.com/k11yhvZQ10
- SportsCenter (@SportsCenter) August 1, 2020

Giannis is getting away with fouling everyone he can after he gets his 5th, because the NBA told the refs to not foul him out any game, and other teams are now calling the NBA out over it.


the giannis hip punch was a foul. He committed an action to displace a screen, I hated that, but still too many people get away with the garnett sliding screen

The smart call is hard, I see it both ways, with the way gainnis plays it actually gives people time to get under him when he was controlled, was smart set or did he enter the landing zone of a player already committed to the air, smarts reputation doesn't help,

The odd part of this argument is lebron james, i don't know that I have seen a player of his level seemingly so "disrespected" then the other night.
 
2 days ago  
Yes.  It was  a boring slow grinding plodding snoozefest with the viewer numbers to match.

I'm old enough to remember getting the NBA Finals on tape delay.  Tape Delay.
 
2 days ago  

Snapper Carr: Yes.  It was  a boring slow grinding plodding snoozefest with the viewer numbers to match.

I'm old enough to remember getting the NBA Finals on tape delay.  Tape Delay.


That explains why some think players scored less often back then
 
2 days ago  

Snapper Carr: Yes.  It was  a boring slow grinding plodding snoozefest with the viewer numbers to match.

I'm old enough to remember getting the NBA Finals on tape delay.  Tape Delay.


160 combined at half time. Allows for more amazing moments and yelling at the screen, but makes the outcome suck,

The Portland game was great looked like a true fight,

This Miami Denver game has been fun to watch
 
2 days ago  
Basketball would be so much better if they allowed contact. You don't want someone slapping your arms while you shoot? Then get open. You want to drive to the net? Go for it but be ready to knock over a few guys on your way.
 
2 days ago  
1983 called, wants its headline back

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2 days ago  
Defense wins championships...but offense sells tickets and merchandise.
 
2 days ago  

KC Dutchman: Defense wins championships...but offense sells tickets and merchandise.


Too bad nobody is buying tickets.
 
2 days ago  
Teams that outscored their opponents are champions* to me
 
1 day ago  

SoupGuru: Basketball would be so much better if they allowed contact. You don't want someone slapping your arms while you shoot? Then get open. You want to drive to the net? Go for it but be ready to knock over a few guys on your way.


They allow contact the problem will always be the consistency at which it is called,

A fear years ago they were supposed to rule out the flops and the offensive initiatiaed contact fouls, they just seemingly never apply it to come people
 
1 day ago  
Some wise soul mentioned it ~ and didn't travel.

Just start NBA games tied at 100 -100, roll the ball out and play for two minutes.
 
1 day ago  

Gangster of Boats: 1983 called, wants its headline back

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This was when Paul Westhead was the head coach of the Nuggets. His philosophy was if you've had the ball in your possession for 3 seconds and you haven't taken a shot, you're holding on to it too long. 48 minutes of full throttle fast break offense. When he was the coach of Loyola Marymount, his style of offense put a couple opponents players in the hospital.
 
1 day ago  

buckeyebrain: Remember when the NBA wasn't a scripted farce? Pepperidge Farms remembers

/Fixed for subby


Yep. It's nothing but branding, merch sales, and endorsement deals. Ohh, you are 6'-7" and made an uncontested dunk! Mercy, what a talent.
 
1 day ago  
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Thanks, Paul Westhead
 
1 day ago  

LewDux: [Fark user image 740x608]
Thanks, Paul Westhead


came here to post this, but sorted by FTA instead.
 
1 day ago  

SoupGuru: Basketball would be so much better if they allowed contact. You don't want someone slapping your arms while you shoot? Then get open. You want to drive to the net? Go for it but be ready to knock over a few guys on your way.


It really is hard to find a balance, though.  The NBA came close to being unwatchable for a few years in the 90s, before the rule changes.  It was like watching a 48 minute long mugging.

Most players and teams are actually playing harder than ever on defense right now.  It used to be common to have multiple players on each team who weren't even attempting to play D.  Since the illegal defense rule was scrapped, being able to guard more types of players has become more important than ever.

On most teams, you have to be all-world as either a very active offensive point guard or scorer (Harden level) to get away with really atrocious defense.  Volume scorers at a lower level will never get off the bench, if they even make the team.  But truly, I've never seen such a high percentage of players (not all, or all teams) playing their asses off on the defensive end.

Everyone remembers the Pistons from the 80s, but most of the game was 8 guys standing around while 2 guys play one on one.  Offenses are much more complex now
 
1 day ago  
Btw, the NBA better get a little more active fixing games if they want Zion in the playoffs.  They look like crap.  People are going to blame on Zion not getting many minutes, but they looked better than this when he was injured
 
1 day ago  

Naido: Btw, the NBA better get a little more active fixing games if they want Zion in the playoffs.  They look like crap.  People are going to blame on Zion not getting many minutes, but they looked better than this when he was injured


I mean, like the 2014 NBA Finals...when your opponent hits 60% from 3 (and shoots a lot of 'em)...you're gonna get your ass kicked.
 
1 day ago  
IAmRight:I mean, like the 2014 NBA Finals...when your opponent hits 60% from 3 (and shoots a lot of 'em)...you're gonna get your ass kicked.

The 2014 Spurs might have been the greatest offense ever assembled. When the bench starts with Boris Diaw and Manu Ginobili looking for unique passing lanes, things happen.
 
1 day ago  

Shatners Agent: Some wise soul mentioned it ~ and didn't travel.

Just start NBA games tied at 100 -100, roll the ball out and play for two minutes.


Except, to make the Knicks competitive, it would be starting them with 150.

/They'll still lose by 75.
 
1 day ago  
Terrence Mann came into the game for the Clippers and I swear I heard someone say "ease his pain".  Did everyone else hear that??
 
1 day ago  

IAmRight: Naido: Btw, the NBA better get a little more active fixing games if they want Zion in the playoffs.  They look like crap.  People are going to blame on Zion not getting many minutes, but they looked better than this when he was injured

I mean, like the 2014 NBA Finals...when your opponent hits 60% from 3 (and shoots a lot of 'em)...you're gonna get your ass kicked.


I firmly believe Greg popovich could have led the spurs to 7 championships The only thing that stopped them from winning was tpopovich
 
1 day ago  

IAmRight: Naido: Btw, the NBA better get a little more active fixing games if they want Zion in the playoffs.  They look like crap.  People are going to blame on Zion not getting many minutes, but they looked better than this when he was injured

I mean, like the 2014 NBA Finals...when your opponent hits 60% from 3 (and shoots a lot of 'em)...you're gonna get your ass kicked.


I think you misspelled 2015
 
1 day ago  
Everyone who's complaining about the lack of defense in the NBA should be watching this Lakers-Raptors game
 
1 day ago  

LewDux: [YouTube video: EXPOSING HORRIBLE 90'S NBA DEFENSES]


I enjoyed that immensely
 
1 day ago  

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As much as this is true, showing how much more explosive and athletic MJ was over everyone isn't proving much of a point.

It's pretty easy to look up the Jordan Piston highlights.  A master of his craft can also make the near impossible look effortless.  The reason for this though, is the defensive rules at the time.  There was no zone defense, either you played Jordan one on one, or you had to send a double team, no half man defense to shadow Jordan.

It made double-teams predictable, and if your as explosive as he is, with his vertical and hands that are actually bigger than Kawhi's, you can dictate the defense.  Now a days the Raptors can throw out a 2-1-2 zone on Giannas to contain him and 4 outside shooters.

So they introduced zone defense, the 2000s happened, everyone forgot about them because everyone kind of sucked against zone, shooting became popular since that's what destroys zones, now everyone shoots.

In the early 80s, there was still the ABA, so you had a bit of a talent split, so there were bad defenses put out until the leagues combined, and there was enough talent to put together defensive schemes.  Except for Jordan though, with those rules it kind of favors him.

Mostly the lack of shooting meant alot less spacing, meaning alot more help defense, meaning alot more mugging.
 
1 day ago  
Knicks @ Lakers (28.03.1999.) - Knicks Lose Control Against Lakers
Youtube -ZvC95Nqq8o


The 90's used to let us watch murder on live TV.

(7:50 if your that lazy)
 
Oak [BareFark]
1 day ago  

links136: [YouTube video: Knicks @ Lakers (28.03.1999.) - Knicks Lose Control Against Lakers]

The 90's used to let us watch murder on live TV.

(7:50 if your that lazy)


JFC I hate the Lakers but that's so much more entertaining than the "basketball" they present to us today.
 
1 day ago  

Oak: links136: [YouTube video: Knicks @ Lakers (28.03.1999.) - Knicks Lose Control Against Lakers]

The 90's used to let us watch murder on live TV.

(7:50 if your that lazy)

JFC I hate the Lakers but that's so much more entertaining than the "basketball" they present to us today.


I just have trouble understanding that, to the extent that when people say it, I wonder if they've watched more than a minute or two lately.  (As an aside, keep in mind that the video above pretty much only showed scoring plays featuring two great, singular players (though I could never stand either of them)).

90% of the time, these guys are playing one on one while 8 guys stand around and watch.  They're barely even attempting to run an offense.  After a made basket, they're burning 10 seconds of the shot clock just walking to the other end.  Thing is, today, defenses are good enough, and there's so much more effort, that teams can't play that way unless they do have a transcendent scorer, and even then most of them don't.  There's constant motion on offense and defense (Rockets and a couple of other teams excepted), and there are tough, split-second decisions being made by defensive players constantly.

You can watch the Kings or Hawks today, and the game will actually be exciting most of the team.  Watching anything other than a few top tier teams back then was almost painful.  Almost every "play" depended entirely on who could win a one on one matchup with their defender.  Teams like this year's Raptors, who are very good even without multiple superstars, couldn't exist. Pre-Durant, even the Warriors only had one player who could create his own shot nearly all the time, and they were dominant.

Strategy plays a much larger role now, and there's more to think (and talk) about.  There's never been more talent top to bottom in the league, and winning is no longer just a matter of who can win one on one matchups and get shots close to the basket over and over.

Don't get me wrong, I really liked it back then, but college ball is where you went to say style contrasts, experimentation, and a variety of strategies in play (now they don't stay long enough to master anything).  I never hear a detailed explanation for why it was better back then beyone mentioning a few individual players

Sorry, don't mean to rant, I just really am curious about what people think was significantly better back then.  Yes, the rules are geared toward the offense now  (just like most sports) but I feel like the league wide level of play has never been better, or required as much effort.  Hell, I feel lucky to be witnessing it
 
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1 day ago  

ClavellBCMI: WillofJ2: Two things

Harden 4 fouls early in first half. Easily should have fouled out, either through offensive or his swipes,

Harden got a foul call literally diving inton2 people, one of the most ridiculous things I have ever seen, how do you defend that? He shot 21 free throws, the only way to play defense if they keep awarding him those calls is to not play

https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/statu​s/1289407259253014528?s=20

This is easily one of the most ridiculous things i have seen

Harden ran FB dive 😅 pic.twitter.com/k11yhvZQ10
- SportsCenter (@SportsCenter) August 1, 2020

Giannis is getting away with fouling everyone he can after he gets his 5th, because the NBA told the refs to not foul him out any game, and other teams are now calling the NBA out over it.


You sound like a Celtics fan who erroneously thinks that Marcus Smart was set before Giannis went through him in the last two minutes of last game.

If you think the NBA caters to small market teams you haven't been watching the same NBA everyone else has.
 
1 day ago  

Naido: Oak: links136: [YouTube video: Knicks @ Lakers (28.03.1999.) - Knicks Lose Control Against Lakers]

The 90's used to let us watch murder on live TV.

(7:50 if your that lazy)

JFC I hate the Lakers but that's so much more entertaining than the "basketball" they present to us today.

I just have trouble understanding that, to the extent that when people say it, I wonder if they've watched more than a minute or two lately.  (As an aside, keep in mind that the video above pretty much only showed scoring plays featuring two great, singular players (though I could never stand either of them)).

90% of the time, these guys are playing one on one while 8 guys stand around and watch.  They're barely even attempting to run an offense.  After a made basket, they're burning 10 seconds of the shot clock just walking to the other end.  Thing is, today, defenses are good enough, and there's so much more effort, that teams can't play that way unless they do have a transcendent scorer, and even then most of them don't.  There's constant motion on offense and defense (Rockets and a couple of other teams excepted), and there are tough, split-second decisions being made by defensive players constantly.

You can watch the Kings or Hawks today, and the game will actually be exciting most of the team.  Watching anything other than a few top tier teams back then was almost painful.  Almost every "play" depended entirely on who could win a one on one matchup with their defender.  Teams like this year's Raptors, who are very good even without multiple superstars, couldn't exist. Pre-Durant, even the Warriors only had one player who could create his own shot nearly all the time, and they were dominant.

Strategy plays a much larger role now, and there's more to think (and talk) about.  There's never been more talent top to bottom in the league, and winning is no longer just a matter of who can win one on one matchups and get shots close to the basket over and over.

Don't get me wrong, I rea ...


I think one problem people may notice is now it's about effort, as you correctly put it.

There was a magical moment between the bullshiat that was the Pistons and the bullshiat that was the first Heat championship.

Sure, there were bad calls, and there was bias from refs in favor of the big teams, but generally players still had to earn points or free throws. That finals initiated the era of "FREE throws" where you don't have to earn shiat.
 
1 day ago  
Right now, you are rewarded for the EFFORT of looking like you were fouled.
 
1 day ago  

puffy999: Naido: Oak: links136: [YouTube video: Knicks @ Lakers (28.03.1999.) - Knicks Lose Control Against Lakers]

The 90's used to let us watch murder on live TV.

(7:50 if your that lazy)

JFC I hate the Lakers but that's so much more entertaining than the "basketball" they present to us today.

I just have trouble understanding that, to the extent that when people say it, I wonder if they've watched more than a minute or two lately.  (As an aside, keep in mind that the video above pretty much only showed scoring plays featuring two great, singular players (though I could never stand either of them)).

90% of the time, these guys are playing one on one while 8 guys stand around and watch.  They're barely even attempting to run an offense.  After a made basket, they're burning 10 seconds of the shot clock just walking to the other end.  Thing is, today, defenses are good enough, and there's so much more effort, that teams can't play that way unless they do have a transcendent scorer, and even then most of them don't.  There's constant motion on offense and defense (Rockets and a couple of other teams excepted), and there are tough, split-second decisions being made by defensive players constantly.

You can watch the Kings or Hawks today, and the game will actually be exciting most of the team.  Watching anything other than a few top tier teams back then was almost painful.  Almost every "play" depended entirely on who could win a one on one matchup with their defender.  Teams like this year's Raptors, who are very good even without multiple superstars, couldn't exist. Pre-Durant, even the Warriors only had one player who could create his own shot nearly all the time, and they were dominant.

Strategy plays a much larger role now, and there's more to think (and talk) about.  There's never been more talent top to bottom in the league, and winning is no longer just a matter of who can win one on one matchups and get shots close to the basket over and over.

Don't get me wrong, I rea ...

I think one problem people may notice is now it's about effort, as you correctly put it.

There was a magical moment between the bullshiat that was the Pistons and the bullshiat that was the first Heat championship.

Sure, there were bad calls, and there was bias from refs in favor of the big teams, but generally players still had to earn points or free throws. That finals initiated the era of "FREE throws" where you don't have to earn shiat.


Ah yes, the era of the bullsh*t that was rigged officiating and league suspensions, as well as mostly the ugliest basketball you'd ever want to watch.

BTW, there have never been fewer FTs on average than there have been over the past few years. The average number of shots is where it was in the '80s/early '90s. The assists are back up to mid-'90s numbers as well. The number of threes per game has doubled since the mid-2000s, though. So if anything it's that the three has become too valuable and post play is no longer "worth it".

The number of fouls per game has been below 20 for a grand total of four NBA seasons...all of which occurred after the Heat lost their first title.

There aren't as many turnovers as there used to be, largely because people aren't as careless with the ball. There are fewer offensive rebounds as well, because teams prioritize reducing fast-break opportunities over offensive rebounds.

I miss non-analytics-driven basketball and wish there were more than one way to be successful in the NBA these days, but THAT is what the problem is, not stupid sh*t like "lack of effort" or "too much flopping".
 
1 day ago  

WillofJ2: They allow contact the problem will always be the consistency at which it is called,


Oh, there's a consistency.  Fouls are called in direct proportion to the merch revenue of the guy that got hit.
 
1 day ago  

LewDux: [iFrame https://www.youtube.com/embed/zONvMKkI​pwA?autoplay=1&widget_referrer=https%3​A%2F%2Fwww.fark.com&start=0&enablejsap​i=1&origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.fark.com&​widgetid=1]


farking thank you. I needed that.
 
21 hours ago  
EXPOSING MORE AWFUL NBA DEFENSE IN MJs ERA
Youtube cpwv7cB6-Qs
 
13 hours ago  

ClavellBCMI: whither_apophis: bostonguy: After I moved to Israel many years ago, I started watching Euroleague basketball. (Yes, Israeli soccer and basketball teams play in Europe and not Asia.) And I came to like it more than the NBA.

When I think of the NBA, it seems like every team has the one superstar. Everyone just gives him the ball for him to score. Rinse and repeat. It gets boring.

But when I watch the "worse" Euroleague play, it seems more interesting and strategic. Barely anyone is a "superstar," so everyone on a team plays as equals. There is more teamwork and passing and strategy and such. And the point totals are a lot lower.

"Did you explain the Israelis strong fundamentals make up for a lack of dunking?"
"Yes, they just laughed"

In Europe they are playing basketball, in the US we are playing showboatbasketball.


Which led to the 2004 dream team and like, you know, losing.  The rules force teamplay, as FIBA is European style rules.  Shorter 3 line, no restricted area, rebounds are live once it hits the rim meaning no Kawhi game 7 buzzer beater.

I mean 'Melo is a FIBA god so that should tell you whats up.
 
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