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(The Bulwark)   Your argument is invalid, it's social media that is the problem   (thebulwark.com) divider line
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2 days ago  
I really enjoy The Bulwark, but that piece was beyond gawd awful.

"Social media is terrible! Get rid of it! But first, follow my comedy feed on Twitter!"
 
2 days ago  
TikTok to be banned . Problem solved.
 
2 days ago  
Also, It's not alcohol that causes drunk driving, it's cars.
 
2 days ago  
Back in 2011 Chamath Palihapitiya left Facebook and said of his former company, "It literally is a point now where I think we have created tools that are ripping apart the social fabric of how society works."

Keep in mind that was 2011. Which we now think of as a lost Golden Age.


F*ck.
 
2 days ago  
Yevgeny (Genia) Simkin fled Soviet Russia as a child and has spent his life bouncing from music to comedy to software engineering. [...] He's also the founder and CEO of The Russian Mob™

Tastes like poeslaw.

/in soviet russia social media uses you
 
2 days ago  
If instagram went away how would people know your a model?
 
2 days ago  
F•ck everybody in this thread.
 
2 days ago  
Yeah I've been saying this for years

Free distribution of information is great.  Of course if the information is garbage it just gives easier access to garbage people.

Still wouldn't take it away.  It's helped highlight the need for better education and better healthcare in America.
 
2 days ago  
Man argues against other man on social media not to argue with others on social media.
 
2 days ago  

bughunter: Also, It's not alcohol that causes drunk driving, it's cars.


Nope. Drunks and idiots cause drunk driving.
 
2 days ago  
By this logic:

Swords cause war.

Sex is caused by drugs and rock and roll.

Inequality is caused by money.
 
2 days ago  
1994 - There's this "information superhighway" called the World Wide Web and everyone will have a voice!

2015 - Good God, what have we done?
 
2 days ago  

Herb Utsmelz: F•ck everybody in this thread.


Everyone in this thread is under Bill Gates mind control activated by clippy.
 
2 days ago  

bfh0417: bughunter: Also, It's not alcohol that causes drunk driving, it's cars.

Nope. Drunks and idiots cause drunk driving.


Congratulations, the point is yours.
 
2 days ago  
Social media is like a public neurotoxin. It's overwhelming our collective synapses and is making it impossible to function. Errant signals that used to be ignored are now connecting and can't be shut off. Healthy communication is being drowned out, and we are being left with extreme, pathological signals and the increasingly frantic and opposite signals trying to operate in the opposite direction. Every stimulus, whether real or fake, is treated as real by some proportion of the population. The longer the crazy people keep getting reinforced by each other, the worse they get, but there is no way to turn off the crazy town feedback loop as long as everyone can connect with everyone.
 
2 days ago  
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I am sure that this same argument was made as TV became more popular and earlier when radio became more popular and even earlier when newspapers became popular.
 
2 days ago  
Over ten years facebook free, my only social media intake these days is occasionally glancing at what's trending on twitter.

I can't recommend it highly enough.
 
2 days ago  
In terms of who this guy is and who you are absolutely nothing has changed. And yet here you are-arguing with him on Twitter or Facebook. And you, yourself, are being brought to the brink of insanity. But you can't seem to stop. You have to respond or read the comments of the other people responding and your cortisol and adrenaline levels are spiking and your blood pressure is rising and you're suddenly at risk of a heart attack.

Well, maybe you should stop, rather than keep going back to be further offended. A person grown to adult emotional maturity would have simply not read any more. People who can't let others have their opinions without going psycho aren't just sick in the head, they're also deluded. In fact, any person who has firm beliefs of their own on a given subject isn't going to swayed by mere words, and certainly not by the same simple, dopey words repeated over and over.

While personally, I think social media is a craphole where brains go to die, some people use social media as a way of meeting other weird people. Some use it as a way of exploring different aspects of life. Still others use it as a venue of expression. Unfortunately, there are also those who use it as an excuse for refusing to develop adult inner lives. Those people rarely stay in it long, but they tend to do a lot of damage before they go.
 
2 days ago  

shut_it_down: Social media is like a public neurotoxin. It's overwhelming our collective synapses and is making it impossible to function. Errant signals that used to be ignored are now connecting and can't be shut off. Healthy communication is being drowned out, and we are being left with extreme, pathological signals and the increasingly frantic and opposite signals trying to operate in the opposite direction. Every stimulus, whether real or fake, is treated as real by some proportion of the population. The longer the crazy people keep getting reinforced by each other, the worse they get, but there is no way to turn off the crazy town feedback loop as long as everyone can connect with everyone.


Username checks out.
 
2 days ago  

Mock26: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I am sure that this same argument was made as TV became more popular and earlier when radio became more popular and even earlier when newspapers became popular.


You can't talk back to the TV or the newspaper.


Well you can, but that's what got us into this problem.
 
2 days ago  
I blame it on the decline and fall Of MySpace! Tom really was your friend! Tom never sold your data to the Russians, Tom never let the nazis take over, Tom was never a purveyor of fake news! Tom didn't even mind if you flat-ironed your hair, dyed it black, and put on eyeliner to look like an Egyptian mummy!

Your friend:

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Not sure what this is but you gave it all your data for free:

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2 days ago  
I dunno if it's done anything. Stupids are still the same stupids. On the other hand the stupids can now find each other and become a gaggle of stupids.
 
2 days ago  
Dumbfounded. I used this exact same metaphor two weeks ago, of the nutcase on a soapbox, but I said instead of a bullhorn he had a device that send his mad ramblings right into the brains of thousands instantly. And that  in those thousands statistically there were a dozen as mad as he is, and they immediately had the ability to send that very message to thousands more.
Exponential growth.
"Its gone VIRAL."
Fark is my soapbox, mostly for the lol's, and until 2 weeks ago I had been a lurker only.
There's a few folks here that may be a few nuggets short of a 10 pack, and I have neuroses like many, but this community seems somehow insulated from the ego driven influencers and tribal propagandists on the rest of the web.
Is it because humor and sarcasm are tools primarily of, and I'm making a stretch here, the sharper tools in the Jungian shed of conciousness? Damned good subject for debate.
 
2 days ago  
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2 days ago  
MY problem with social media, the reason I finally got rid fo Facebook and Twitter, was I learned way too much about certain "friends" because they couldn't stop themselves from being racist, homophobic, etc on social media!

Granted, I suppose it's good to know that my "friends" were like this so I could distance myself from them, but sometimes ignorance is bliss.

But I have to tell you, I'm surprised by the number of seemingly "normal" and "nice" people that I was friends with that I no longer am thanks to their racist/homophobic/ and in one case anti-semitic remarks on social media.

I DO have Instagram, and although I haven't run in to any of the above issues, I am surprised to see how many of my friends post "inappropriate" things online
 
2 days ago  
But without Social Media, whose grammar would I correct‽
 
2 days ago  

bughunter: bfh0417: bughunter: Also, It's not alcohol that causes drunk driving, it's cars.

Nope. Drunks and idiots cause drunk driving.

Congratulations, the point is yours.


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^^^This. The fact that you even had to explain...😔

The.U.S.education system needs some revisions. Unless of course, they ain't from the U.S.

How ya doing darlin? Weathering this freak storm of a timeline okay?
 
2 days ago  

Mock26: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I am sure that this same argument was made as TV became more popular and earlier when radio became more popular and even earlier when newspapers became popular.


Nope.
 
2 days ago  

bughunter: Also, It's not alcohol that causes drunk driving, it's cars.


I could see making an argument that commuting long distances by car is a mental drain.  The average daily American commute (when we aren't home due to plague) is 52 minutes round-trip.   If you're driving, this is time that might have been spent on mass transit doing anything other than focusing on the operation of your vehicle.  Having an hour to dive into a book, read the news, or get lost in thoughts to bookend my day would be welcome.
 
2 days ago  
Where the hell does he think the blathering morons of social media get their marching orders from? The sky? As if Fox News hasn't been doing the same job for decades, and AM radio for generations.

It's a disease, and it festers.
 
2 days ago  
I like to think of social media as a tool, but one that is frequently misused for bad things. It allows the likeminded crazies to coalesce into a far more focused "crazy beam" that can broadcast and infect other people who are just as (differently) bonkers but haven't heard that particular type of crazy just yet. And then they also begin to proliferate that specific crazy, and so on and so forth.
On the other hand, it also lets me see lots of cat pictures and dank memes. So you can see my dilemma.
 
2 days ago  
Facebook is a giant disillusionment machine. It purposefully amplifies the worst in the world and in people, making problems feel overwhelming and intractable, and making you judge/mistrust/hate people you'd otherwise probably feel neutral toward. AND it exploits addictive tendencies in the brain, so you can't look away, but keep getting drawn back in. It creates or exacerbates many problems, and as far as I can tell, it doesn't serve as a good solution to anything (or at least, the things it does act as a solution to, can be solved with other tools that don't come with FB's drawbacks).

It's trash, it's destructive, and you'd be better off if you abandoned it altogether.
 
2 days ago  
Oh, sorry, your precious society is foiled by a touch of technology and the musings of mad men. Sorry you desperately need tools of exclusion in order to carry on your Utopia of cookie cutter homes and job paths leading to a precisely planned plot in the local cemetery.
🙄😂💀
 
2 days ago  

BlackChickWhiteAccent: bughunter: bfh0417: bughunter: Also, It's not alcohol that causes drunk driving, it's cars.

Nope. Drunks and idiots cause drunk driving.

Congratulations, the point is yours.

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^^^This. The fact that you even had to explain...😔

The.U.S.education system needs some revisions. Unless of course, they ain't from the U.S.

How ya doing darlin? Weathering this freak storm of a timeline okay?


It's the intended result of forty years of defunding public education.  They no longer teach things like critical thinking, practical numeracy, and not to mix bleach with ammonia.

Even the standards of private schools are lowered.

/doin' okay
//been predicting a chaos singularity for years
///lockdown is like a holiday for introverts
 
2 days ago  

Indiegent: Dumbfounded. I used this exact same metaphor two weeks ago, of the nutcase on a soapbox, but I said instead of a bullhorn he had a device that send his mad ramblings right into the brains of thousands instantly. And that  in those thousands statistically there were a dozen as mad as he is, and they immediately had the ability to send that very message to thousands more.
Exponential growth.
"Its gone VIRAL."
Fark is my soapbox, mostly for the lol's, and until 2 weeks ago I had been a lurker only.
There's a few folks here that may be a few nuggets short of a 10 pack, and I have neuroses like many, but this community seems somehow insulated from the ego driven influencers and tribal propagandists on the rest of the web.
Is it because humor and sarcasm are tools primarily of, and I'm making a stretch here, the sharper tools in the Jungian shed of conciousness? Damned good subject for debate.


Probably. It's like the Daily Show. Dumb, silly, sarcastic. Shouldn't be a place to get news and analysis, yet provides both very well.
 
2 days ago  
So, will the sheep elevate this guy to Godwin levels and start calling blocking people, Simkining/Simkined/Simkin? .

Verb: to block/ignore/ban

The troll hurt my feels so I had to Simkin his butt.

🙄
 
2 days ago  
Maybe you argue with crazy people. I just make fun of them.
 
2 days ago  

i_dig_chicks: If instagram went away how would people know your a model?


When they see your movie.

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2 days ago  
This is part of the problem. The other problem is that people used to have filters between their brains and their mouths that were recognized as an important part of how people continued to live with each other, and those filters are gone. We are all EIN Guy, in our own ways; the difference used to be that EIN Guy failed catastrophically at filtering his personal bullshiat, while the rest of us managed and, in so doing, functioned. Now, no one manages, and the cognitive load of living in a world where everyone is an open crank is skyrocketing. Minds are breaking under the strain.
 
2 days ago  
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2 days ago  

bfh0417: bughunter: Also, It's not alcohol that causes drunk driving, it's cars.

Nope. Drunks and idiots cause drunk driving.


Not only did you write that reply, but you clicked the smart button too.
 
2 days ago  

bughunter: bfh0417: bughunter: Also, It's not alcohol that causes drunk driving, it's cars.

Nope. Drunks and idiots cause drunk driving.

Congratulations, the point is yours.


Fark is collecting some real geniuses lately lmao.
 
2 days ago  

shut_it_down: Social media is like a public neurotoxin. It's overwhelming our collective synapses and is making it impossible to function. Errant signals that used to be ignored are now connecting and can't be shut off. Healthy communication is being drowned out, and we are being left with extreme, pathological signals and the increasingly frantic and opposite signals trying to operate in the opposite direction. Every stimulus, whether real or fake, is treated as real by some proportion of the population. The longer the crazy people keep getting reinforced by each other, the worse they get, but there is no way to turn off the crazy town feedback loop as long as everyone can connect with everyone.


Sums up the politics tab.
 
2 days ago  
Arguing on the internet is like running in a GOP primary.
Even if you win, you're still a moron.

And possibly a pedophile.
 
2 days ago  

NutWrench: In terms of who this guy is and who you are absolutely nothing has changed. And yet here you are-arguing with him on Twitter or Facebook. And you, yourself, are being brought to the brink of insanity. But you can't seem to stop. You have to respond or read the comments of the other people responding and your cortisol and adrenaline levels are spiking and your blood pressure is rising and you're suddenly at risk of a heart attack.

Well, maybe you should stop, rather than keep going back to be further offended. A person grown to adult emotional maturity would have simply not read any more. People who can't let others have their opinions without going psycho aren't just sick in the head, they're also deluded. In fact, any person who has firm beliefs of their own on a given subject isn't going to swayed by mere words, and certainly not by the same simple, dopey words repeated over and over.

While personally, I think social media is a craphole where brains go to die, some people use social media as a way of meeting other weird people. Some use it as a way of exploring different aspects of life. Still others use it as a venue of expression. Unfortunately, there are also those who use it as an excuse for refusing to develop adult inner lives. Those people rarely stay in it long, but they tend to do a lot of damage before they go.


It's the Howard Stern/ Rush Limbaugh effect writ large.

The average radio listener tunes in to a station for 8 minutes before turning the dial.

The average Howard Stern fan listened for 15 minutes without turning the dial, because they wanted to hear what he was going to say next.

The average Howard Stern hater listened for 30 minutes... because they wanted to hear what he was going to say next.
 
2 days ago  

bfh0417: bughunter: Also, It's not alcohol that causes drunk driving, it's cars.

Nope. Drunks and idiots cause drunk driving.


Not familiar with sarcasm, are you?
 
2 days ago  

MillionDollarMo: Arguing on the internet is like running in a GOP primary.
Even if you win, you're still a moron.

And possibly a pedophile.


"Possibly a pedophile" isn't a career killer in either party anymore. You'd have to be the world's shiattiest parent to leave your kid alone with Trump or Biden. Both of them radiate more creepiness than Michael Jackson did.

The only real difference is that the Democrats will organize cover ups and distractions, while the Republicans will just shrug and say "Yeah, so what?"
 
2 days ago  

NotThatGuyAgain: 1994 - There's this "information superhighway" called the World Wide Web and everyone will have a voice!

2015 - Good God, what have we done?


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2 days ago  
I recently deactivated my FB account but still have Instagram. I may have a Twitter account but I haven't accessed it, or been on Twitter in any way, for a decade.

For me, FB is boring and benign. I've never seen a conspiracy theory, a racist or sexist remark, nothing like that. It speaks to the quality of my friends and I'm glad about that. But FB is useless these days unless you're 70 and keeping in the loop on photos of your grandkids. No thanks.

I'm looking to spend less time online these days, not more. I receive no benefit from FB these days so it's got to go.
 
2 days ago  

Indiegent: Dumbfounded. I used this exact same metaphor two weeks ago, of the nutcase on a soapbox, but I said instead of a bullhorn he had a device that send his mad ramblings right into the brains of thousands instantly. And that  in those thousands statistically there were a dozen as mad as he is, and they immediately had the ability to send that very message to thousands more.
Exponential growth.
"Its gone VIRAL."
Fark is my soapbox, mostly for the lol's, and until 2 weeks ago I had been a lurker only.
There's a few folks here that may be a few nuggets short of a 10 pack, and I have neuroses like many, but this community seems somehow insulated from the ego driven influencers and tribal propagandists on the rest of the web.
Is it because humor and sarcasm are tools primarily of, and I'm making a stretch here, the sharper tools in the Jungian shed of conciousness? Damned good subject for debate.


I think Facebook and Twitter are the worst because they encourage posting under real names (especially Facebook). Pseudo-anonymity like on Fark is not as bad because it feels somewhat "separate" from real life.

I think Facebook is by far the worst of the lot. They encourage real identity posting and want it to be integrated into real life instead of a shiatposting board where people let off steam. They also seem aggressively opposed to moderating or policing extremist content.
 
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