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2 days ago  
The speak-English crowd can go right to hell. Use the mode of communication that gets the job done swiftly and clearly. Kitchen table or bus station; brother or boss. Use Spanish or Portuguese when it works. English is the international language of business, so if you want to make money, go with that.

The speak-English cretins are likely the same jackasses who ask, "Did you get my email???"
 
2 days ago  
I thought they were changing it, just after the currently pressed packaging was used up?
 
2 days ago  
Good for Trader Joe's.
I know the High Schooler's heart is in the right place, but calling everything "racist" that isn't ultimately trivializes real injustice and stifles the efforts to make meaningful change.
 
2 days ago  

August11: The speak-English crowd can go right to hell. Use the mode of communication that gets the job done swiftly and clearly. Kitchen table or bus station; brother or boss. Use Spanish or Portuguese when it works. English is the international language of business, so if you want to make money, go with that.

The speak-English cretins are likely the same jackasses who ask, "Did you get my email???"


You either have the worst reading comprehension in the world, quite possibly the universe, or you did not read the article.  There is only one answer so choose wisely.

This is not about "Speak English 'Murica"

This is about people saying Trader Joe's use of ethnic sounding names on their homegrown products.
 
2 days ago  
Up next, an updated petition to ban Speedy Gonzalez...

/Just remember why he was unbanned...
 
2 days ago  
This fruit is named Bill. That yellow one over there is James.
 
2 days ago  
Unless you're calling the collared greens "Trader ShaNee'Kwa", the rice "Trader Ching Chong's", and the miso soup "Trader Nip's", it's not farking racist. And WTF is "exoticism"? This isn't Mexico, Japan, etc., so those foods are, literally, exotic.
 
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2 days ago  
Using an actual name that is commonly used in a country is not racist. If they draw funny little characterizations of the person, well that is an entirely different story.

This does not appear to be racist.
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2 days ago  

sirrerun: Good for Trader Joe's.
I know the High Schooler's heart is in the right place, but calling everything "racist" that isn't ultimately trivializes real injustice and stifles the efforts to make meaningful change.


Were they calling it racist?

Looks like the petition was calling out the perpetuation of a stereotype...which they are clearly doing.
 
2 days ago  
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If it's penne, why does the label say it's made with macaroni?

Or am I missing some nuance in which all extruded tubular pasta is considered a form of macaroni?
 
2 days ago  

iron de havilland: [Fark user image 850x566]

If it's penne, why does the label say it's made with macaroni?

Or am I missing some nuance in which all extruded tubular pasta is considered a form of macaroni?


A winner is you!
 
2 days ago  

sirrerun: Good for Trader Joe's.
I know the High Schooler's heart is in the right place, but calling everything "racist" that isn't ultimately trivializes real injustice and stifles the efforts to make meaningful change.


It doesn't help either though. For example as someone who is half hispanic I have been generically called Jose too many times to count while working retail in the summer and get sun tanned. I do not find it funny I do not find it appropriate. Using a generic name like this in casual conversation directed towards people like "oh Jose over there will clean up this stuff you just spilled" or "shut up Jose go back to Mexico" when their name isn't Jose is normalized by this type of branding.
 
2 days ago  
Problem solved

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2 days ago  
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It's tacky and somewhat stereotypical, some would call it kitschy.  I don't think it helps their brand, but that's their call.

I think they may have already changed the packaging on this one, I don't usually get frozen fried rice.
 
2 days ago  

theflatline: August11: The speak-English crowd can go right to hell. Use the mode of communication that gets the job done swiftly and clearly. Kitchen table or bus station; brother or boss. Use Spanish or Portuguese when it works. English is the international language of business, so if you want to make money, go with that.

The speak-English cretins are likely the same jackasses who ask, "Did you get my email???"

You either have the worst reading comprehension in the world, quite possibly the universe, or you did not read the article.  There is only one answer so choose wisely.

This is not about "Speak English 'Murica"

This is about people saying Trader Joe's use of ethnic sounding names on their homegrown products.


Everyone's on a roll. Let'em go...
 
2 days ago  

iron de havilland: If it's penne, why does the label say it's made with macaroni?

Or am I missing some nuance in which all extruded tubular pasta is considered a form of macaroni?


You are now aware that "macaroni" is also the name for the kind of wheat pasta is made from.
 
2 days ago  

Joe USer: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 850x1248]It's tacky and somewhat stereotypical, some would call it kitschy.  I don't think it helps their brand, but that's their call.

I think they may have already changed the packaging on this one, I don't usually get frozen fried rice.


Far as I know that's an old product - I know I haven't seen it in some years.  They still have fried rice, but the packing is very different.  Or maybe there's just been an inexplicable shortage of the stuff at the Trader Joe's I go to - who knows.  Current packaging for their fried rice stuff I can find all pretty much looks like this:

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2 days ago  

MadHatter500: iron de havilland: [Fark user image 850x566]

If it's penne, why does the label say it's made with macaroni?

Or am I missing some nuance in which all extruded tubular pasta is considered a form of macaroni?

A winner is you!


Well, I had a look at the wiki page before posing my question, which says:

In Italy, the noun maccheroni refers to straight, tubular, square-ended pasta corta ("short-length pasta"). Maccheroni may also refer to long pasta dishes such as maccheroni alla chitarra and frittata di maccheroni, which are prepared with long pasta like spaghetti.

So it's just what we'd call macaroni and a form of spaghetti that are known as maccheroni there. Just seems odd to the subset of Italian imported to refer to pasta where I'm at. Penne's penne, macaroni's macaroni; they're two different kinds of pasta.

NEDM: You are now aware that "macaroni" is also the name for the kind of wheat pasta is made from.


Only ever heard it referred to as durum wheat, personally.
 
2 days ago  
NEDM: You are now aware that "macaroni" is also the name for the kind of wheat pasta is made from.

You are wrong.


Wikipedia notwithstanding, "macaroni" refers to the short, curved pasta; the ingredient is durum wheat. Nobody calls it "macaroni wheat."
 
2 days ago  

Samsquantch: Problem solved

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Yes. By removing marketing we would actually be a much better society.
 
2 days ago  

theflatline: August11: The speak-English crowd can go right to hell. Use the mode of communication that gets the job done swiftly and clearly. Kitchen table or bus station; brother or boss. Use Spanish or Portuguese when it works. English is the international language of business, so if you want to make money, go with that.

The speak-English cretins are likely the same jackasses who ask, "Did you get my email???"

You either have the worst reading comprehension in the world, quite possibly the universe, or you did not read the article.  There is only one answer so choose wisely.

This is not about "Speak English 'Murica"

This is about people saying Trader Joe's use of ethnic sounding names on their homegrown products.


Yeah I didn't read the article.
 
2 days ago  

americanflannel: sirrerun: Good for Trader Joe's.
I know the High Schooler's heart is in the right place, but calling everything "racist" that isn't ultimately trivializes real injustice and stifles the efforts to make meaningful change.

It doesn't help either though. For example as someone who is half hispanic I have been generically called Jose too many times to count while working retail in the summer and get sun tanned. I do not find it funny I do not find it appropriate. Using a generic name like this in casual conversation directed towards people like "oh Jose over there will clean up this stuff you just spilled" or "shut up Jose go back to Mexico" when their name isn't Jose is normalized by this type of branding.


How is it normalized by this kind of branding?
 
2 days ago  

theflatline: August11: The speak-English crowd can go right to hell. Use the mode of communication that gets the job done swiftly and clearly. Kitchen table or bus station; brother or boss. Use Spanish or Portuguese when it works. English is the international language of business, so if you want to make money, go with that.

The speak-English cretins are likely the same jackasses who ask, "Did you get my email???"

You either have the worst reading comprehension in the world, quite possibly the universe, or you did not read the article.  There is only one answer so choose wisely.

This is not about "Speak English 'Murica"

This is about people saying Trader Joe's use of ethnic sounding names on their homegrown products.


Maybe August11read the article twice, but English is not August11'sfirst language.
You should feel bad for being a linguaphobe.
 
2 days ago  

Straight Outta Hate: theflatline: August11: The speak-English crowd can go right to hell. Use the mode of communication that gets the job done swiftly and clearly. Kitchen table or bus station; brother or boss. Use Spanish or Portuguese when it works. English is the international language of business, so if you want to make money, go with that.

The speak-English cretins are likely the same jackasses who ask, "Did you get my email???"

You either have the worst reading comprehension in the world, quite possibly the universe, or you did not read the article.  There is only one answer so choose wisely.

This is not about "Speak English 'Murica"

This is about people saying Trader Joe's use of ethnic sounding names on their homegrown products.

Maybe August11read the article twice, but English is not August11'sfirst language.
You should feel bad for being a linguaphobe.


What is August11 even saying?
 
2 days ago  

theflatline: This is about people saying Trader Joe's use of ethnic sounding names on their homegrown products.


I'm willing to bet that the same people who complain about the current name would also flip out if something such as sushi was called "All American Rice-wrapped Fish" because it would be "stealing Japanese culture".
 
2 days ago  
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2 days ago  
But in its recent statement the grocery chain said it still believes the names, many created decades ago, represent lighthearted efforts at inclusion, adding that its customers say they still like them.

Lighthearted, true, but who's laughing? Sometimes, what you do in an attempt at harmless humor can be hurtful. However, are people complaining just to complain or are they being genuine?
 
2 days ago  

theflatline: August11: The speak-English crowd can go right to hell. Use the mode of communication that gets the job done swiftly and clearly. Kitchen table or bus station; brother or boss. Use Spanish or Portuguese when it works. English is the international language of business, so if you want to make money, go with that.

The speak-English cretins are likely the same jackasses who ask, "Did you get my email???"

You either have the worst reading comprehension in the world, quite possibly the universe, or you did not read the article.  There is only one answer so choose wisely.

This is not about "Speak English 'Murica"

This is about people saying Trader Joe's use of ethnic sounding names on their homegrown products.


Except the end result is the same. Eliminating any references to food's original ethnic origins is just a form of whitewashing---an equal and opposite form of racism.
 
2 days ago  

iron de havilland: MadHatter500: iron de havilland: [Fark user image 850x566]

If it's penne, why does the label say it's made with macaroni?

Or am I missing some nuance in which all extruded tubular pasta is considered a form of macaroni?

A winner is you!

Well, I had a look at the wiki page before posing my question, which says:

In Italy, the noun maccheroni refers to straight, tubular, square-ended pasta corta ("short-length pasta"). Maccheroni may also refer to long pasta dishes such as maccheroni alla chitarra and frittata di maccheroni, which are prepared with long pasta like spaghetti.

So it's just what we'd call macaroni and a form of spaghetti that are known as maccheroni there. Just seems odd to the subset of Italian imported to refer to pasta where I'm at. Penne's penne, macaroni's macaroni; they're two different kinds of pasta.

NEDM: You are now aware that "macaroni" is also the name for the kind of wheat pasta is made from.

Only ever heard it referred to as durum wheat, personally.


Jesus farking christ with everything wrong with the world we're now infected with pasta pedants.
 
2 days ago  

italie: I thought they were changing it, just after the currently pressed packaging was used up?


I think there's a distinction between getting rid of the "Trader Jose" and "Trader Ming" characters and coming up with "English" replacements for words like "Chimichanga".
 
2 days ago  

Corn_Fed: theflatline: August11: The speak-English crowd can go right to hell. Use the mode of communication that gets the job done swiftly and clearly. Kitchen table or bus station; brother or boss. Use Spanish or Portuguese when it works. English is the international language of business, so if you want to make money, go with that.

The speak-English cretins are likely the same jackasses who ask, "Did you get my email???"

You either have the worst reading comprehension in the world, quite possibly the universe, or you did not read the article.  There is only one answer so choose wisely.

This is not about "Speak English 'Murica"

This is about people saying Trader Joe's use of ethnic sounding names on their homegrown products.

Except the end result is the same. Eliminating any references to food's original ethnic origins is just a form of whitewashing---an equal and opposite form of racism.


Social media has become the best example of Newton's third law. Outrage from one side incites a defense from the other obliterating the middle ground and forcing a binary choice. This devolves into a marketing strategy rather than discourse. Every day there is a new "cola war" brewing on social media.
 
2 days ago  
That's the argument Geno's made in Philly.  No Italian.   Back when Racist Tourism was in vogue, people from all over the world trekked there to be told they spoke a fake language.   Across the street was better food.  Neighborhood parking was the pits.

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2 days ago  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Unless you're calling the collared greens


*twitch*
 
2 days ago  

IlGreven: Up next, an updated petition to ban Speedy Gonzalez...

/Just remember why he was unbanned...


I thought the issue with Speedy was that everyone knows Mexicans never do anything quickly.
 
2 days ago  

DerAppie: theflatline: This is about people saying Trader Joe's use of ethnic sounding names on their homegrown products.

I'm willing to bet that the same people who complain about the current name would also flip out if something such as sushi was called "All American Rice-wrapped Fish" because it would be "stealing Japanese culture".


Tacos are now refered to as as folded flatbread sandwiches. Pizza a is now refered to as open face sandwiches
 
2 days ago  
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2 days ago  

chitownmike: DerAppie: theflatline: This is about people saying Trader Joe's use of ethnic sounding names on their homegrown products.

I'm willing to bet that the same people who complain about the current name would also flip out if something such as sushi was called "All American Rice-wrapped Fish" because it would be "stealing Japanese culture".

Tacos are now refered to as as folded flatbread sandwiches. Pizza a is now refered to as open face sandwiches


Wait sandwich is a Brit word we need a new word for sandwiches
 
2 days ago  

chitownmike: chitownmike: DerAppie: theflatline: This is about people saying Trader Joe's use of ethnic sounding names on their homegrown products.

I'm willing to bet that the same people who complain about the current name would also flip out if something such as sushi was called "All American Rice-wrapped Fish" because it would be "stealing Japanese culture".

Tacos are now refered to as as folded flatbread sandwiches. Pizza a is now refered to as open face sandwiches

Wait sandwich is a Brit word we need a new word for sandwiches


Freedom Layered Food Unit?
 
2 days ago  

sirrerun: Good for Trader Joe's.
I know the High Schooler's heart is in the right place, but calling everything "racist" that isn't ultimately trivializes real injustice and stifles the efforts to make meaningful change.



Her Change.org campaign was literally called "CancelTraderJoes" -- her heart is nowhere near the right place. She's a white kid who presumed to speak for all other cultures, not because of years of having POC as friends but because she read a book and jumped to conclusions.

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This is a cliche we've seen numerous times, and tons of POC have made endless jokes online:

"Please stop killing black people and letting the police get away with it."

"We here at MeTV believe in equality and have therefore removed the 2am reruns of Dukes of Hazard #BLM."
 
2 days ago  

Samsquantch: Problem solved

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2 days ago  

sirrerun: Good for Trader Joe's.
I know the High Schooler's heart is in the right place, but calling everything "racist" that isn't ultimately trivializes real injustice and stifles the efforts to make meaningful change.


could you imagine being the parent of that kid?

oh wait, you'd have to be a ficking moron and not set them straight
 
2 days ago  

WGJ: Using an actual name that is commonly used in a country is not racist. If they draw funny little characterizations of the person, well that is an entirely different story.

This does not appear to be racist.
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No it doesn't it does how ever feel silly and unnecessary to switch "Joe" to the equivalent in the country of origin for an ethnic food.   Joe-san is dumb and totally unneeded and the "san" part ought to be dropped.    Just switch to Trader joe's on all products and call it a day.
 
2 days ago  

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: italie: I thought they were changing it, just after the currently pressed packaging was used up?

I think there's a distinction between getting rid of the "Trader Jose" and "Trader Ming" characters and coming up with "English" replacements for words like "Chimichanga".


Ummm....who suggested that?
 
2 days ago  
Time to go shop at Trader Joe's tomorrow.

I wonder if they carry Goya? Two pompous Liberal whines in one stone.
 
2 days ago  

grimlock1972: WGJ: Using an actual name that is commonly used in a country is not racist. If they draw funny little characterizations of the person, well that is an entirely different story.

This does not appear to be racist.
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No it doesn't it does how ever feel silly and unnecessary to switch "Joe" to the equivalent in the country of origin for an ethnic food.   Joe-san is dumb and totally unneeded and the "san" part ought to be dropped.    Just switch to Trader joe's on all products and call it a day.


You know what? It's fine. It's not offensive, except to people so bored that they're finding "solutions" to things that no one thought was a problem.
 
2 days ago  

zgrizz: Time to go shop at Trader Joe's tomorrow.

I wonder if they carry Goya? Two pompous Liberal whines in one stone.


They don't. So don't bother. The Goya boycott is legitimate. Fark them.
 
1 day ago  

runwiz: But in its recent statement the grocery chain said it still believes the names, many created decades ago, represent lighthearted efforts at inclusion, adding that its customers say they still like them.

Lighthearted, true, but who's laughing? Sometimes, what you do in an attempt at harmless humor can be hurtful. However, are people complaining just to complain or are they being genuine?


lighthearted implies at most a chuckle and most wouldn't get it anyway
 
1 day ago  
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Trader Joe-San? Ah So!
 
1 day ago  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Unless you're calling the collared greens "Trader ShaNee'Kwa", the rice "Trader Ching Chong's", and the miso soup "Trader Nip's", it's not farking racist. And WTF is "exoticism"? This isn't Mexico, Japan, etc., so those foods are, literally, exotic.


Eating brinjal or aubergine? How are your haricots verts?
 
1 day ago  

americanflannel: sirrerun: Good for Trader Joe's.
I know the High Schooler's heart is in the right place, but calling everything "racist" that isn't ultimately trivializes real injustice and stifles the efforts to make meaningful change.

It doesn't help either though. For example as someone who is half hispanic I have been generically called Jose too many times to count while working retail in the summer and get sun tanned. I do not find it funny I do not find it appropriate. Using a generic name like this in casual conversation directed towards people like "oh Jose over there will clean up this stuff you just spilled" or "shut up Jose go back to Mexico" when their name isn't Jose is normalized by this type of branding.


Pipe down, Todd.
 
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