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(Washington Post)   Homeland Security officials seized more than $2 billion from travelers last year, but actually charged very few of those travelers with any crime. It's almost like they're just doing it to get free money. Almost like that   (washingtonpost.com) divider line
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2 days ago  
I guess the question is: do Homeland agents collect a percentage of the funds that they seize? Were said funds used to purchase doodads and geegaws that they brought to Portland last weekend? Do Homeland Security leads get a percentage of seizures?
 
2 days ago  
Biden will have to clear the excesses of the cheney* and trump* administrations.

Bye-bye DHS, ICE - can't afford something that costs more than its saving anymore.

There's too many real needs right now, and the Republicans crashed the economy AGAIN, so it's time to put those government workers in useful jobs. Maybe delivering the mail, or removing disparate border wall-like displays, or collecting fund from undelivered projects from trump* friends?

Plus, that whole new prison complex for crimes against humanity and such.
 
2 days ago  

YabbaDabbaDouchebag: Biden will have to clear the excesses of the cheney* and trump* administrations.

Bye-bye DHS, ICE - can't afford something that costs more than its saving anymore.

There's too many real needs right now, and the Republicans crashed the economy AGAIN, so it's time to put those government workers in useful jobs. Maybe delivering the mail, or removing disparate border wall-like displays, or collecting fund from undelivered projects from trump* friends?

Plus, that whole new prison complex for crimes against humanity and such.


If they aren't lined up babe shot before
 
2 days ago  
fark YOU!  PAY ME!

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2 days ago  
I feel like I've experienced this instance of deja vu before.
 
2 days ago  
A couple hundred years back people were ready to kill and die on the idea that they would not be taxed without fair representation.

... Now the government they created exists solely to maim and rob the populous as quickly as possible to put that money and power in the hands of politicians, and executives.

I believe I would prefer British rule. Yes, they're fark-ups, but not *this* farked up.
 
2 days ago  

W_Scarlet: A couple hundred years back people were ready to kill and die on the idea that they would not be taxed without fair representation.

... Now the government they created exists solely to maim and rob the populous as quickly as possible to put that money and power in the hands of politicians, and executives.

I believe I would prefer British rule. Yes, they're fark-ups, but not *this* farked up.


Our history teaches us that there's a solution to this problem.
 
2 days ago  
John Oliver covered civil forfeiture back in 2014:


Civil Forfeiture: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)
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2 days ago  

Mock26: John Oliver covered civil forfeiture back in 2014:


[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/3kEpZWGg​Jks]


The SCOTUS has turned civil forfeiture into an ATM machine for the cops (a fee-free ATM machine).
 
2 days ago  
Misleading headline, it was 2000-2016. Still sucks though.
 
2 days ago  

YabbaDabbaDouchebag: Biden will have to clear the excesses of the cheney* and trump* administrations.


You think Biden is going to fix this?  Biden is the primary reason we have to put up with civil asset forfeiture.

https://fee.org/articles/how-a-young-​j​oe-biden-became-the-architect-of-the-g​overnments-asset-forfeiture-program/
 
2 days ago  

JuggleGeek: YabbaDabbaDouchebag: Biden will have to clear the excesses of the cheney* and trump* administrations.

You think Biden is going to fix this?  Biden is the primary reason we have to put up with civil asset forfeiture.

https://fee.org/articles/how-a-young-j​oe-biden-became-the-architect-of-the-g​overnments-asset-forfeiture-program/


Yeah, Biden is definitely bad on this and many other "law and order" things. Unfortunately, the alternative is at least as bad on this issue, and vastly worse in general. Wish we could've had a better Dem candidate this go round, but we're stuck with Joe as the significantly lesser evil.
 
2 days ago  
Never travel by air with a rare coin collection.
 
2 days ago  
Of course they didn't charge the people with a crime.  They charge the money with a crime.
 
2 days ago  

W_Scarlet: A couple hundred years back people were ready to kill and die on the idea that they would not be taxed without fair representation.

... Now the government they created exists solely to maim and rob the populous as quickly as possible to put that money and power in the hands of politicians, and executives.

I believe I would prefer British rule. Yes, they're fark-ups, but not *this* farked up.


The Revolution was fought because the Brits were taxing wealthy Americans to pay for the French and Indian war fought on behalf of those very same Americans. That, and because British treaties with the natives were keeping said wealthy Americans from freely murdering natives and stealing their land.

Say what you will about the results, but the reasons for the Revolution were nowhere near as noble as American mythology would have you believe.
 
2 days ago  

YabbaDabbaDouchebag: Biden will have to clear the excesses of the cheney* and trump* administrations.

Bye-bye DHS, ICE - can't afford something that costs more than its saving anymore.

There's too many real needs right now, and the Republicans crashed the economy AGAIN, so it's time to put those government workers in useful jobs. Maybe delivering the mail, or removing disparate border wall-like displays, or collecting fund from undelivered projects from trump* friends?

Plus, that whole new prison complex for crimes against humanity and such.


Yup, President Trump made COVID-19 in the White House kitchen.  Derp on comrade.
 
2 days ago  

YabbaDabbaDouchebag: so it's time to put those government workers in useful jobs.


Investigating and prosecuting the Trump regime would be the most effective jobs program in history.
 
2 days ago  

Error 482: Unfortunately, the alternative is at least as bad on this issue, and vastly worse in general. Wish we could've had a better Dem candidate this go round, but we're stuck with Joe as the significantly lesser evil.


We're in agreement there.  I wouldn't have chosen Biden as the dem candidate, but he'll get my vote simply because the republicans have gone completely nuts.
 
2 days ago  

ClavellBCMI: Mock26: John Oliver covered civil forfeiture back in 2014:


[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/3kEpZWGg​Jks]

The SCOTUS has turned civil forfeiture into an ATM machine for the cops (a fee-free ATM machine).


Is it an automatic ATM machine?
 
2 days ago  

The Pope of Manwich Village: Never travel by air with a rare coin collection.


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2 days ago  

Ow! That was my feelings!: fark YOU!  PAY ME!

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Seeing this has only brought one thing to mind. And it's not the pathetic cowardliness of the current resident, it's...

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2 days ago  

Malenfant: ClavellBCMI: Mock26: John Oliver covered civil forfeiture back in 2014:


[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/3kEpZWGg​Jks]

The SCOTUS has turned civil forfeiture into an ATM machine for the cops (a fee-free ATM machine).

Is it an automatic ATM machine?


Yes it is. Interact with a cop, expect that any money you had on you is now theirs.
 
2 days ago  
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2 days ago  
Remember the good old days of norovirus and drunken family brawls?
 
2 days ago  
Who counted the money/property? Could be a lowball number if you're the trusting kind.

One of the nicest houses in my area is an ex-NYPD guy. Did pretty well for himself. Maybe he won the lottery, or wrote a book/screenplay. Yeah, that's the ticket
 
2 days ago  
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"What two billion dollars?"
 
2 days ago  

fargin a: Who counted the money/property? Could be a lowball number if you're the trusting kind.

One of the nicest houses in my area is an ex-NYPD guy. Did pretty well for himself. Maybe he won the lottery, or wrote a book/screenplay. Yeah, that's the ticket


He is probably collecting a bigger retirement check per month than you ever cleared in three months.
 
2 days ago  
Funds should be held for a short period 30-90 days. If at that time there is not an active investigation the funds should be returned or if they are unable to be for some reason turned over to unclaimed property like any other funds. If an investigation is ongoing a court order should be required to hold the funds longer.
 
2 days ago  

ClavellBCMI: fargin a: Who counted the money/property? Could be a lowball number if you're the trusting kind.

One of the nicest houses in my area is an ex-NYPD guy. Did pretty well for himself. Maybe he won the lottery, or wrote a book/screenplay. Yeah, that's the ticket

He is probably collecting a bigger retirement check per month than you ever cleared in three months.


Good for him, but I highly doubt that. Maybe more than my best 1 month.
 
2 days ago  

LordJiro: W_Scarlet: A couple hundred years back people were ready to kill and die on the idea that they would not be taxed without fair representation.

... Now the government they created exists solely to maim and rob the populous as quickly as possible to put that money and power in the hands of politicians, and executives.

I believe I would prefer British rule. Yes, they're fark-ups, but not *this* farked up.

The Revolution was fought because the Brits were taxing wealthy Americans to pay for the French and Indian war fought on behalf of those very same Americans. That, and because British treaties with the natives were keeping said wealthy Americans from freely murdering natives and stealing their land.

Say what you will about the results, but the reasons for the Revolution were nowhere near as noble as American mythology would have you believe.


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/The UK has money seizing laws, but the bar is way way higher. Cops/Customs have to show actual evidence to a judge before money can be confiscated. It's not like the system in the US where any random cop can just take money off you and you have to go to court and try to get it back.
 
2 days ago  

fargin a: ClavellBCMI: fargin a: Who counted the money/property? Could be a lowball number if you're the trusting kind.

One of the nicest houses in my area is an ex-NYPD guy. Did pretty well for himself. Maybe he won the lottery, or wrote a book/screenplay. Yeah, that's the ticket

He is probably collecting a bigger retirement check per month than you ever cleared in three months.

Good for him, but I highly doubt that. Maybe more than my best 1 month.


Cops retirement pay is based on their last two years earning, including overtime. So once cops get to their last two years they are given every bit of overtime they can take, with all other cops willingly giving them shifts, calling for their assistance, making arrests five minutes before their shift ends meaning they have to stay on the clock for hours completing the paperwork etc, knowing that when it is their turn for retirement all the other cops will return the favour.
 
2 days ago  

Carter Pewterschmidt: fargin a: ClavellBCMI: fargin a: Who counted the money/property? Could be a lowball number if you're the trusting kind.

One of the nicest houses in my area is an ex-NYPD guy. Did pretty well for himself. Maybe he won the lottery, or wrote a book/screenplay. Yeah, that's the ticket

He is probably collecting a bigger retirement check per month than you ever cleared in three months.

Good for him, but I highly doubt that. Maybe more than my best 1 month.

Cops retirement pay is based on their last two years earning, including overtime. So once cops get to their last two years they are given every bit of overtime they can take, with all other cops willingly giving them shifts, calling for their assistance, making arrests five minutes before their shift ends meaning they have to stay on the clock for hours completing the paperwork etc, knowing that when it is their turn for retirement all the other cops will return the favour.


We've had straight criminal 'public servants' retire before being fired (some maybe even fired) and still collect their pension. I'd blame the union, and lawyers.
 
2 days ago  

Error 482: JuggleGeek: YabbaDabbaDouchebag: Biden will have to clear the excesses of the cheney* and trump* administrations.

You think Biden is going to fix this?  Biden is the primary reason we have to put up with civil asset forfeiture.

https://fee.org/articles/how-a-young-j​oe-biden-became-the-architect-of-the-g​overnments-asset-forfeiture-program/

Yeah, Biden is definitely bad on this and many other "law and order" things. Unfortunately, the alternative is at least as bad on this issue, and vastly worse in general. Wish we could've had a better Dem candidate this go round, but we're stuck with Joe as the significantly lesser evil.


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AbuHashish: I feel like I've experienced this instance of deja vu before.


Talk about deja vu...
 
2 days ago  

AbuHashish: I feel like I've experienced this instance of deja vu before.


They've been doing this shiat quietly forever.  The rules are prominent displayed in the security office where they take you after detaining you on the jet way.
 
2 days ago  

hubiestubert: I guess the question is: do Homeland agents collect a percentage of the funds that they seize? Were said funds used to purchase doodads and geegaws that they brought to Portland last weekend? Do Homeland Security leads get a percentage of seizures?


Have any agents purchased a slip or other harborage recently? Have traffarkers with known boats not shown up with boats in the report?

Wait. WTF? Now I'm curious. "civil forfiture!?" The department of homland security in on that?
 
2 days ago  

willwall: Funds should be held for a short period 30-90 days. If at that time there is not an active investigation the funds should be returned or if they are unable to be for some reason turned over to unclaimed property like any other funds. If an investigation is ongoing a court order should be required to hold the funds longer.


Eh, I don't see this the same way as civilian police seizing assets and not returning the value after the guy turns out innocent. If you're bringing more than 10 grand in or out of the country and don't bother going through the proper channels, I don't really have much sympathy for you. I really don't think it's controversial that most nations want to limit the bleeding of cold hard cash from their own borders unless they get something back for it. Everything is relative. Americans hoard gold and bitcoin. People in countries with less stable currencies hoard Benjamins and Washingtons. Making the risk of smuggling more than 10 grand in physical cash out of the country high strikes me as valid. ::shrug::
 
2 days ago  

Carter Pewterschmidt: fargin a: ClavellBCMI: fargin a: Who counted the money/property? Could be a lowball number if you're the trusting kind.

One of the nicest houses in my area is an ex-NYPD guy. Did pretty well for himself. Maybe he won the lottery, or wrote a book/screenplay. Yeah, that's the ticket

He is probably collecting a bigger retirement check per month than you ever cleared in three months.

Good for him, but I highly doubt that. Maybe more than my best 1 month.

Cops retirement pay is based on their last two years earning, including overtime. So once cops get to their last two years they are given every bit of overtime they can take, with all other cops willingly giving them shifts, calling for their assistance, making arrests five minutes before their shift ends meaning they have to stay on the clock for hours completing the paperwork etc, knowing that when it is their turn for retirement all the other cops will return the favour.


Oh, and that's not all. They stop (officially) taking vacations 5 years or more before their retirement date, and then collect all that accrued vacation in one lump sum when they retire, which _also_ spikes their earnings.  Yup.
 
2 days ago  

JuggleGeek: YabbaDabbaDouchebag: Biden will have to clear the excesses of the cheney* and trump* administrations.

You think Biden is going to fix this?  Biden is the primary reason we have to put up with civil asset forfeiture.

https://fee.org/articles/how-a-young-j​oe-biden-became-the-architect-of-the-g​overnments-asset-forfeiture-program/


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2 days ago  
If you're stupid enough to fly or hell, travel at all, with large amounts of cash, you deserve what you get.
 
2 days ago  

Geoff Peterson: If you're stupid enough to fly or hell, travel at all, with large amounts of cash, you deserve what you get.


Uh, if you have $20 in your wallet when pulled over by the police they can confiscate it by claiming they think you intend to use it to commit a crime. And then it is up to You to go to court and prove your innocence.
 
2 days ago  

W_Scarlet: A couple hundred years back people were ready to kill and die on the idea that they would not be taxed without fair representation.


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2 days ago  
Cop: Do you have any cash in the vehicle?

Driver: No. Why? Are you soliciting a bribe?
 
2 days ago  

IHadMeAVision: willwall: Funds should be held for a short period 30-90 days. If at that time there is not an active investigation the funds should be returned or if they are unable to be for some reason turned over to unclaimed property like any other funds. If an investigation is ongoing a court order should be required to hold the funds longer.

Eh, I don't see this the same way as civilian police seizing assets and not returning the value after the guy turns out innocent. If you're bringing more than 10 grand in or out of the country and don't bother going through the proper channels, I don't really have much sympathy for you. I really don't think it's controversial that most nations want to limit the bleeding of cold hard cash from their own borders unless they get something back for it. Everything is relative. Americans hoard gold and bitcoin. People in countries with less stable currencies hoard Benjamins and Washingtons. Making the risk of smuggling more than 10 grand in physical cash out of the country high strikes me as valid. ::shrug::


It isn't even having to go through proper channels. Before you land you fill out a form to hand to the customs agent. It specifically asks how much money you are carrying and stated that if you fail to declare more than 10 k that the money will be seized.
 
2 days ago  
Ahhh The privileges of flying.
 
2 days ago  
I've gotten to the point to where I travel with no money on me whatsoever.

First place I'll stop in Vegas is the ATM, just to get the wheels started.  Then go into the bank branch during the day and withdraw the rest of my bankroll.

And on the way back to the airport with the rental car, swing by the bank and deposit it all back.

I did fly with 5,000 Wheat pennies once...
 
2 days ago  

mrschwen: It isn't even having to go through proper channels. Before you land you fill out a form to hand to the customs agent. It specifically asks how much money you are carrying and stated that if you fail to declare more than 10 k that the money will be seized.


Well yeah, that's why it's so suspicious, because it's so easy. So if you're caught with undeclared money it's obvious you were probably trying to avoid a tariff at best. Zero sympathy. If you're so desperate to avoid taxes or paperwork have it brought over 10K at a time.
 
2 days ago  

IHadMeAVision: mrschwen: It isn't even having to go through proper channels. Before you land you fill out a form to hand to the customs agent. It specifically asks how much money you are carrying and stated that if you fail to declare more than 10 k that the money will be seized.

Well yeah, that's why it's so suspicious, because it's so easy. So if you're caught with undeclared money it's obvious you were probably trying to avoid a tariff at best. Zero sympathy. If you're so desperate to avoid taxes or paperwork have it brought over 10K at a time.


Thing is even filling out the paperwork is no guarantee they won't seize it anyway. You're just letting them know it's there.
 
2 days ago  

LordJiro: W_Scarlet: A couple hundred years back people were ready to kill and die on the idea that they would not be taxed without fair representation.

... Now the government they created exists solely to maim and rob the populous as quickly as possible to put that money and power in the hands of politicians, and executives.

I believe I would prefer British rule. Yes, they're fark-ups, but not *this* farked up.

The Revolution was fought because the Brits were taxing wealthy Americans to pay for the French and Indian war fought on behalf of those very same Americans. That, and because British treaties with the natives were keeping said wealthy Americans from freely murdering natives and stealing their land.

Say what you will about the results, but the reasons for the Revolution were nowhere near as noble as American mythology would have you believe.


Also this:
"one of the primary reasons the colonists decided to declare their independence from Britain was because they wanted to protect the institution of slavery. By 1776, Britain had grown deeply conflicted over its role in the barbaric institution that had reshaped the Western Hemisphere. In London, there were growing calls to abolish the slave trade. This would have upended the economy of the colonies, in both the North and the South. ... It is not incidental that 10 of this nation's first 12 presidents were enslavers, and some might argue that this nation was founded not as a democracy but as a slavocracy."
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2​0​19/08/14/magazine/black-history-americ​an-democracy.html
 
2 days ago  
"That money was guilty your Honor! We had to take it and put it in a safe place."
 
2 days ago  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Thing is even filling out the paperwork is no guarantee they won't seize it anyway. You're just letting them know it's there.


Okay Mr. Paranoid. You're talking corruption, which doesn't change the fact that customs in any given nation should be able to seize contraband even if they don't bother pressing charges. Should we really press charges against some foreign national granny that got caught bringing over a fruit or potted plant?
 
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