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(Fire Rescue 1)   Volunteer firefighters - who look more like the board of a bad HOA - "resign" after city doesn't want them running calls that all but two aren't qualified to run in the first place   (firerescue1.com) divider line
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2020-07-30 1:31:12 AM  

NephilimNexus: Hood stated, according to KFDM.

Did anyone else here misread that the same way I did?


Fun Fact, I knew the son of one of the dudes in KMFDM.  This was 25 years ago and I think the kid is or was playing with MDC, like later, way after I left town.
 
2020-07-30 1:49:33 AM  
Bunch of f*cking cry babies.
 
2020-07-30 1:50:34 AM  

Iniamyen: Yeah, I mean why do we need volunteers when we could spend money instead? Meanwhile, the same folks are pushing to get police defunded... Can you say "cognitive dissonance"?


Can you say "moron does not know what defunding the police means"?
 
2020-07-30 1:58:41 AM  
We used to tell people a firefighter can get you fifteen minutes, an ambulance can get you fifteen miles, and a nurse can get you fifteen years.
Of course, the more help you get in any one of those categories can sure come in handy if it keeps you from becoming an ancestor. There's an awful lot of help that isn't trained in emergency response or rescue that doesn't understand language, protocols, radio, traffic and such that just gets in the way. A couple big, fat firefighters can come in handy when both paramedics are busy on a patient and 2 or 3 screaming goofballs are roaming around looking for attention. Doesn't hurt to have an extra hand to carry cases back to the ambulance while paramedics are packaging and shipping a patient.
A lot of volunteers are paid, each department is different, and usually an ambulance can call for additional units, but you are more likely to have a better experience with an extra fire truck than you ever will with 10 extra police cars.
The world has changed, and some fire chiefs are anachronistic and ceremonial in their understanding of budgeting, but I'd rather have 3 extra firefighters on a call than any amount of pencil pushers from The Department of Tan Suits from the city saving me money.
 
2020-07-30 2:06:48 AM  

chitownmike: skyotter: "We refuse to do less work, so we quit."

What am I missing?

Nothing, they are that stupid


They didn't sign up to do nothing. Remember, they're volunteers - they want to be involved.

Bruscar: in the 70's and 80's, one of my uncles was in the civil defense and a volunteer firefighter. He kept his First Aid and CPR certifications up-to-date. He was trained to use a jaws-of-life-device and a fireman's hose - which is harder to handle than you might think.  A kind of rescue van was parked in front of his house. It had a siren, but no rear seats. Instead, it had shelves screwed to the sides to hold medical supplies.

My uncle would get a call on his radio and shout to all the kids in the vicinity "C'mon, if you wanna see the action!" We'd sprint to pile in the back. I remember sitting on the floor in the back of the van with siblings, cousins, and neighbor kids, sliding from one side of the van to the other, with spare bandages and other medical supplies spilling out of their containers, as my uncle careened through town with us in the back.  We saw fires and vehicle crashes and more.

That sort of thing is not allowed anymore. Transporting a gaggle of children at high speeds, unrestrained by any seat belt or other safety device, to witness fire, blood, mayhem, and death is deemed unsafe. Tsk, tsk, nanny state, tsk, tsk.


That sounds awesome! I grew up in a town with a volunteer fire department and some people would take their kids on calls; they then grew up to be first responders of various types as well. It's an all-professional department now. I know one guy who was a volunteer firefighter and his kid was an EMT for a while before becoming a sheriff's deputy...so he definitely has some useful background there.


hawaiijenno: Good.  Go play fireman in your yard where you won't put someone in jeopardy with your ignorance. I'm not an engineer so I don't demand to volunteer to build bridges.  They aren't medically trained so why the hell would they think they have the "right" to respond to medical emergencies?


Have you ever lived in a small town?

haknudsen: Iniamyen: Yeah, I mean why do we need volunteers when we could spend money instead? Meanwhile, the same folks are pushing to get police defunded... Can you say "cognitive dissonance"?

because the volunteers are not qualified.
Can you say, "ignorant"


Ignorance?

SumoJeb: Just what I want when in a medical emergency. A fat fark volunteer firefighter with minimal applicable skills.
Bonus if they show up on scene with alcohol on their breath.


The last three comments are highly indicative of the loss of community involvement in the West. We've become a civilization of convenience consumers, both in the retail and the municipal sense. We pay taxes and expect that someone who works for the city or county will handle things for us. There's little obligation on the part of people to actually get involved in maintaining the places that we live in. We might attend a community meeting if it's something that directly affects us, but we won't seriously go out of our way to help our fellow citizens. We don't want to make serious, binding commitments.

Volunteering for the fire department is apparently seen now as a hokey, corny thing done by overall-wearing hayseeds, rather than a selfless act which requires hundreds of hours of one's time a year.  Hopefully some of you get out and pick up trash in front of your neighbors' yards, mow the grass out there or maybe participate in some kind of local volunteer effort. It would be pretty sad to imagine everyone just sitting on their asses. Maybe that's why this country seems so divided lately.
 
2020-07-30 2:08:06 AM  

Mock26: Bunch of f*cking cry babies.


Are you busting your ass to help your neighbors?
 
2020-07-30 2:12:05 AM  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: Tax cuts baby. They killed standing fire service, and now they're killing volunteer fire service.

But hey...billionaire's money is safe! So it's worth it!


A: there are no billionaires in a 2000-population town in deep East Texas.
B: a 2000-pop town in the vicinity of *Orange* was never big enough to have a standing fire service in the first place.  They would have always been a volunteer service.
C: the volunteer fire service wasn't killed, it committed suicide because it got butthurt that the city noticed that they weren't certified for the ambulance calls that they were going out on (and getting there after the contracted ambulance service anyways, so they were wasting everyone's time and money)
 
2020-07-30 2:15:28 AM  

khatores: Volunteering for the fire department is apparently seen now as a hokey, corny thing done by overall-wearing hayseeds, rather than a selfless act which requires hundreds of hours of one's time a year. Hopefully some of you get out and pick up trash in front of your neighbors' yards, mow the grass out there or maybe participate in some kind of local volunteer effort. It would be pretty sad to imagine everyone just sitting on their asses. Maybe that's why this country seems so divided lately.


Nobody is shiatting on them for being volunteer firefighters.  That's an honorable and selfless service to their community.

They're being shat on for not being farking certified for medical calls and still showing up, then for them resigning en-masse leaving their community without a local fire department in a temper tantrum because the city told them to stop answering calls they weren't certified to do!
 
2020-07-30 2:31:17 AM  

NEDM: khatores: Volunteering for the fire department is apparently seen now as a hokey, corny thing done by overall-wearing hayseeds, rather than a selfless act which requires hundreds of hours of one's time a year. Hopefully some of you get out and pick up trash in front of your neighbors' yards, mow the grass out there or maybe participate in some kind of local volunteer effort. It would be pretty sad to imagine everyone just sitting on their asses. Maybe that's why this country seems so divided lately.

Nobody is shiatting on them for being volunteer firefighters.  That's an honorable and selfless service to their community.

They're being shat on for not being farking certified for medical calls and still showing up, then for them resigning en-masse leaving their community without a local fire department in a temper tantrum because the city told them to stop answering calls they weren't certified to do!


Maybe the town should pay for their certification and training so that they could make more of a contribution.

It sounds like we're getting something far from the full story here...as many in this thread have pointed out, undoubtedly they provide some additional support services during calls - for example, blocking off roads, making it easier to get patients out of a residence, calming people down and that sort of thing. Particularly now, firefighters can have a presence as a first responder that police might not be able to. People tend to find police intimidating, whereas firefighters are reassuring, even if they're yokels.

If you've ever been to a call like that, the patient often is overweight and immobile, so getting them out of the house can be a challenge. There's usually one or more family members losing their mind while the EMTs are working. If someone doesn't calm them the fark down, then it's going to turn into a second call.
 
2020-07-30 2:57:10 AM  
I see they got new work as volunteer gravy tasters at the Municipal Chicken Fried Steak Warehouse.
 
2020-07-30 3:05:17 AM  
khatores:

I've volunteered on SAR and vehicle rescue units. I've lived in rural or remote places most my life.

I still wouldn't want some jackhole cowboy who thinks they are god with a badge doing aid on me without the proper training.
 
2020-07-30 3:49:22 AM  
Just a thought- what would medical and vehicle insurance companies think of this?

Would they be shocked on hearing that many people involved in actions and decisions leading to them needing to pay out the big bucks are not actually qualified to be involved in those situations?

Would any of them be greedy enough to try and get the money back from their payouts in these cases?

Because if you paid out money to someone who wasn't qualified, like an untrained builder renovating your house who did a shoddy and unsafe job, wouldn't YOU want your money back?
 
2020-07-30 5:22:37 AM  

RoboZombie: RogermcAllen: skyotter: "We refuse to do less work, so we quit."

What am I missing?

I'm guessing some sort of overtime scam.  Get called out to medical call they aren't qualified for so they can stand around and bill the city.

They don't get paid. I guess they like to feel important but are actually impotent when it comes to helping people in  medical emergency


They get paid per call.  They also get to drive their personal vehicles or an apparatus with lights and sirens blaring to a call they can't do anything for.
 
2020-07-30 5:27:12 AM  

talkertopc: RoboZombie: RogermcAllen: skyotter: "We refuse to do less work, so we quit."

What am I missing?

I'm guessing some sort of overtime scam.  Get called out to medical call they aren't qualified for so they can stand around and bill the city.

They don't get paid. I guess they like to feel important but are actually impotent when it comes to helping people in  medical emergency

The city probably pay for the gas, the equipments and its maintenance though.


Generally the volunteer dept. acts as a contractor for the county.  They respond outside of the city limits.  The idea here is to have the municipal FD respond to medical calls since they're actually up to date, and have to remain that way, on medical tish according to the state.  These geriatrics who just want to be nosey on calls they can't do anything for are upset that they're being requested not to go on.
 
2020-07-30 5:56:31 AM  

Raoul Eaton: Bruscar: Apparently, I'm the only person in this thread who had a childhood.

Some folks here need some happy-happy, joy-joy pills.

I can't see who you're responding to, but I remember the time 17 boy scouts crammed into a car and drove around for a while, and the adults all thought it was hilarious.


That sounds like a euphemism for something.
 
2020-07-30 6:19:02 AM  
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2020-07-30 9:35:44 AM  

SumoJeb: khatores:

I've volunteered on SAR and vehicle rescue units. I've lived in rural or remote places most my life.

I still wouldn't want some jackhole cowboy who thinks they are god with a badge doing aid on me without the proper training.


Well the article did not say they were mindlessly trying to work on patients. That was one side of the story but the volunteer firefighters themselves did not say they were working on patients if they were not qualified.
 
2020-07-30 9:59:37 AM  
If you don't know any people in Texas, I can tell you that nobody throws Pout Parties like a bunch of Texans. They get their panties in a wad and they stay there for years, even decades.
 
2020-07-30 10:22:45 AM  
Well, I was a volly before turning career, and I can say from experience that both sides have valid points. I believe it's absolutely true that firefighters on scene can help, even if it's after the ambulance has arrived (ie getting medical info on the patient for transport, getting the cot close to the patient and assisting with lifting them etc), but it would ALSO behoove them all to at LEAST have their EMR, (basic medical training), to help further and justify their responding all the more. And if they're volunteer, they're not making money for responding, so they WANT to help, but it would really strengthen their case to apply for grant funding to make the ones that aren't EMT-Bs at least EMRs.
 
2020-07-30 11:01:30 AM  

RogermcAllen: skyotter: "We refuse to do less work, so we quit."

What am I missing?

I'm guessing some sort of overtime scam.  Get called out to medical call they aren't qualified for so they can stand around and bill the city.


But they were volunteers.....
 
2020-07-30 11:45:07 AM  

Iniamyen: Yeah, I mean why do we need volunteers when we could spend money instead? Meanwhile, the same folks are pushing to get police defunded... Can you say "cognitive dissonance"?



the answer you did not see, is that some communities are actually too small and too poor to afford to offer full time employment for fire fighting services to be much more than voluntary staffed and often just private donations for equipment funding.


but then why would you bother to know that some of your fellow country members live in communities that are not as well off as yours apparently is.

Stupid plebs get what they get for being stupid plebs right?
 
2020-07-30 12:01:21 PM  
What does it say that the people that look least physically fit to be firefighters are the only ones to volunteer.
 
2020-07-30 12:15:54 PM  

PvtStash: Iniamyen: Yeah, I mean why do we need volunteers when we could spend money instead? Meanwhile, the same folks are pushing to get police defunded... Can you say "cognitive dissonance"?


the answer you did not see, is that some communities are actually too small and too poor to afford to offer full time employment for fire fighting services to be much more than voluntary staffed and often just private donations for equipment funding.


but then why would you bother to know that some of your fellow country members live in communities that are not as well off as yours apparently is.

Stupid plebs get what they get for being stupid plebs right?


The equipment, apparatus and , supplies are expensive.  The annual inspections to keep PPE in compliance with NFPA standards aren't cheap either. Full-time paid departments cost money.

Pay the folks or you get what you pay for.  Volunteers with good intentions that lack skills or professional firefighters that are highly trained and do EMS/Rescue for a living.

Or support the vollies by training them and outfitting them appropriately with qualified professional leadership.
 
2020-07-30 8:58:49 PM  

khatores: Mock26: Bunch of f*cking cry babies.

Are you busting your ass to help your neighbors?


Busting my ass? No. But I am helping my neighbors as much as I can. I am also supplementing one friend's monthly income to cover most of her food expenses and her utilities. And on top of that as soon as I got my $1200 check from the Government I loaned it out to an unemployed friend who was struggling, at 0% interest to be paid back any time over the course of the next 20 years. And if he is never able to pay it back then I will not fret about it. But that has nothing to do with the story of those f*cking crybabies. Most of them are not qualified EMTs so it makes sense to not call them for EMT calls.
 
2020-07-30 9:01:21 PM  

punkwrestler: RogermcAllen: skyotter: "We refuse to do less work, so we quit."

What am I missing?

I'm guessing some sort of overtime scam.  Get called out to medical call they aren't qualified for so they can stand around and bill the city.

But they were volunteers.....


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Volunteer firefighters are not volunteering their services. They are volunteering to work as firefighters in addition to their regular job. And they get paid for it.
 
2020-07-30 9:06:54 PM  

Mock26: punkwrestler: RogermcAllen: skyotter: "We refuse to do less work, so we quit."

What am I missing?

I'm guessing some sort of overtime scam.  Get called out to medical call they aren't qualified for so they can stand around and bill the city.

But they were volunteers.....

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Volunteer firefighters are not volunteering their services. They are volunteering to work as firefighters in addition to their regular job. And they get paid for it.


In my area people who are paid to be firefighters are called Professionnel Fire Fighters, those who are volunteer, don't get paid, that's what it usually means to volunteer.
 
2020-07-30 11:14:09 PM  

punkwrestler: Mock26: punkwrestler: RogermcAllen: skyotter: "We refuse to do less work, so we quit."

What am I missing?

I'm guessing some sort of overtime scam.  Get called out to medical call they aren't qualified for so they can stand around and bill the city.

But they were volunteers.....

[Fark user image image 350x227]

Volunteer firefighters are not volunteering their services. They are volunteering to work as firefighters in addition to their regular job. And they get paid for it.

In my area people who are paid to be firefighters are called Professionnel Fire Fighters, those who are volunteer, don't get paid, that's what it usually means to volunteer.


any rescue unit i've volunteered at we got paid for calls. You dont get paid to be on-call, but when you are called out you get a wage.
 
2020-07-30 11:40:49 PM  

punkwrestler: Mock26: punkwrestler: RogermcAllen: skyotter: "We refuse to do less work, so we quit."

What am I missing?

I'm guessing some sort of overtime scam.  Get called out to medical call they aren't qualified for so they can stand around and bill the city.

But they were volunteers.....

[Fark user image image 350x227]

Volunteer firefighters are not volunteering their services. They are volunteering to work as firefighters in addition to their regular job. And they get paid for it.

In my area people who are paid to be firefighters are called Professionnel Fire Fighters, those who are volunteer, don't get paid, that's what it usually means to volunteer.


Not when it comes to firefighters. They are only paid for when they go on a call. It allows smaller communities to have a fire department for cheaper than it would cost to hire fire fighters full time. A lot of small communities simply cannot afford full time fire fighters. And in your State of Virginia the average hourly rate for volunteer firefighters when on a call is just over $19 an hour. Funny that for people who do not get paid there is data on their average salary in your State, and elsewhere on that site you can find the average salary of volunteer firefighters for Fairfax County, VA.
 
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