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2020-07-29 11:10:00 PM  
"We refuse to do less work, so we quit."

What am I missing?
 
2020-07-29 11:12:32 PM  
Yeah, I mean why do we need volunteers when we could spend money instead? Meanwhile, the same folks are pushing to get police defunded... Can you say "cognitive dissonance"?
 
2020-07-29 11:13:06 PM  
Nothing against their volunteering, but only about 4 of them look like they can pass a physical putting themselves and others in danger in the event of a structure fire.
 
2020-07-29 11:14:21 PM  
Hood stated, according to KFDM.

Did anyone else here misread that the same way I did?
 
2020-07-29 11:16:11 PM  
Tax cuts baby. They killed standing fire service, and now they're killing volunteer fire service.

But hey...billionaire's money is safe! So it's worth it!
 
2020-07-29 11:17:23 PM  

skyotter: "We refuse to do less work, so we quit."

What am I missing?


I'm guessing some sort of overtime scam.  Get called out to medical call they aren't qualified for so they can stand around and bill the city.
 
2020-07-29 11:17:56 PM  
And nothing of value was lost.
 
2020-07-29 11:18:13 PM  
Good.  Go play fireman in your yard where you won't put someone in jeopardy with your ignorance. I'm not an engineer so I don't demand to volunteer to build bridges.  They aren't medically trained so why the hell would they think they have the "right" to respond to medical emergencies?
 
2020-07-29 11:19:31 PM  

RogermcAllen: skyotter: "We refuse to do less work, so we quit."

What am I missing?

I'm guessing some sort of overtime scam.  Get called out to medical call they aren't qualified for so they can stand around and bill the city.


They don't get paid. I guess they like to feel important but are actually impotent when it comes to helping people in  medical emergency
 
2020-07-29 11:23:14 PM  
in the 70's and 80's, one of my uncles was in the civil defense and a volunteer firefighter. He kept his First Aid and CPR certifications up-to-date. He was trained to use a jaws-of-life-device and a fireman's hose - which is harder to handle than you might think.  A kind of rescue van was parked in front of his house. It had a siren, but no rear seats. Instead, it had shelves screwed to the sides to hold medical supplies.

My uncle would get a call on his radio and shout to all the kids in the vicinity "C'mon, if you wanna see the action!" We'd sprint to pile in the back. I remember sitting on the floor in the back of the van with siblings, cousins, and neighbor kids, sliding from one side of the van to the other, with spare bandages and other medical supplies spilling out of their containers, as my uncle careened through town with us in the back.  We saw fires and vehicle crashes and more.

That sort of thing is not allowed anymore. Transporting a gaggle of children at high speeds, unrestrained by any seat belt or other safety device, to witness fire, blood, mayhem, and death is deemed unsafe. Tsk, tsk, nanny state, tsk, tsk.
 
2020-07-29 11:23:14 PM  
A rural area with meth heads on the team with maga hats and automatic rifles no doubt.
 
2020-07-29 11:24:25 PM  
Pinehurst, Texas. Population, 2000 and change.

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"If you've got no Pinehurst...You've got no Texas."
 
2020-07-29 11:25:21 PM  
Fire Academy 4: Citizens on Patrol
 
2020-07-29 11:26:04 PM  
Apparently, I'm the only person in this thread who had a childhood.

Some folks here need some happy-happy, joy-joy pills.
 
2020-07-29 11:26:07 PM  
Cartman - Screw You Guys I'm Going Home
Youtube RXS1sJm7QEA
 
2020-07-29 11:28:35 PM  
I've been wondering for a while why fire and ambulance are responding to each medical call.  I remember it being implemented about 10 years ago, and parts of the reasoning make sense:

The first to arrive can provide life saving help.

In my town, though, I usually see the fire truck and the ambulance racing down the street 10 seconds apart from each other. 60% of calls seem to stop at care homes for the elderly, I suspect when it's already too late.

This doesn't mean it's a bad idea, just that I don't understand it.

/The one time I reported a medical emergency by calling 911, the police showed up and lectured a teen who had memory loss after a solo skateboarding accident that it was illegal in the area.
//The order of arrival was: Ambulance, Police, Fire.  This was right at the edge of the fire department's effective area, though.
 
2020-07-29 11:31:12 PM  

NephilimNexus: Hood stated, according to KFDM.

Did anyone else here misread that the same way I did?


I declare war on the world?
 
2020-07-29 11:33:17 PM  
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In Japan, the volunteer firefighters are mostly teenagers, and also have a Priestess and a Sword user on duty at all times.
 
2020-07-29 11:34:03 PM  

RoboZombie: RogermcAllen: skyotter: "We refuse to do less work, so we quit."

What am I missing?

I'm guessing some sort of overtime scam.  Get called out to medical call they aren't qualified for so they can stand around and bill the city.

They don't get paid. I guess they like to feel important but are actually impotent when it comes to helping people in  medical emergency


The city probably pay for the gas, the equipments and its maintenance though.
 
2020-07-29 11:34:59 PM  

Iniamyen: Yeah, I mean why do we need volunteers when we could spend money instead? Meanwhile, the same folks are pushing to get police defunded... Can you say "cognitive dissonance"?


because the volunteers are not qualified.
Can you say, "ignorant"
 
2020-07-29 11:35:07 PM  
Just what I want when in a medical emergency. A fat fark volunteer firefighter with minimal applicable skills.
Bonus if they show up on scene with alcohol on their breath.
 
2020-07-29 11:35:31 PM  
They also have a handgun expert and some sort of crazy guy as well, apparently.
 
2020-07-29 11:37:11 PM  
Calls Deemed Unnecessary For Response:

* Assaults
* Breathing Problems
* Chest Pain
* Heart Problems
* Childbirth/Pregnancy
* Choking
* Diabetic Emergency
* Falls
* Overdose/Poisoning
* Seizures
* Stroke/CVA
* Traumatic Injury
* Unknown Problem
* Unresponsive

Ok, you know what? It's obvious they're at the party, but nobody really wants them there.

"Sure, you can stay but"

* No drinking
* No smoking
* No talking
* No sexing
* No fun

"But stay as long as you like -- no really!"
 
2020-07-29 11:39:36 PM  
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2020-07-29 11:40:20 PM  

kozlo: NephilimNexus: Hood stated, according to KFDM.

Did anyone else here misread that the same way I did?

I declare war on the world?


The drug against war?
 
2020-07-29 11:42:33 PM  
They got matching t shirts rather quickly though.
 
2020-07-29 11:45:50 PM  
My ex BIL was a volunteer firefighter. Made it all the way up to some sort of officer, 2nd or 3rd in command of his unit. Until one day while burning leaves in his back yard, he started a brush fire that torched over 300 acres. If it had been anywhere other than Podunk, Arkansas, I'm sure he would have made Fark, with a gleeful IRONIC tag chortling in the background.
 
2020-07-29 11:46:15 PM  

talkertopc: RoboZombie: RogermcAllen: skyotter: "We refuse to do less work, so we quit."

What am I missing?

I'm guessing some sort of overtime scam.  Get called out to medical call they aren't qualified for so they can stand around and bill the city.

They don't get paid. I guess they like to feel important but are actually impotent when it comes to helping people in  medical emergency

The city probably pay for the gas, the equipments and its maintenance though.


Are they still getting paid at their day jobs?
 
2020-07-29 11:46:54 PM  

Bruscar: Apparently, I'm the only person in this thread who had a childhood.

Some folks here need some happy-happy, joy-joy pills.


I can't see who you're responding to, but I remember the time 17 boy scouts crammed into a car and drove around for a while, and the adults all thought it was hilarious.
 
2020-07-29 11:49:04 PM  

Jz4p: I've been wondering for a while why fire and ambulance are responding to each medical call.  I remember it being implemented about 10 years ago, and parts of the reasoning make sense:

The first to arrive can provide life saving help.

In my town, though, I usually see the fire truck and the ambulance racing down the street 10 seconds apart from each other. 60% of calls seem to stop at care homes for the elderly, I suspect when it's already too late.

This doesn't mean it's a bad idea, just that I don't understand it.

/The one time I reported a medical emergency by calling 911, the police showed up and lectured a teen who had memory loss after a solo skateboarding accident that it was illegal in the area.
//The order of arrival was: Ambulance, Police, Fire.  This was right at the edge of the fire department's effective area, though.


Firefighter/EMT here - 

The reason is that almost all medical transports require more than two people to get the patient to the ambulance. Once they are loaded in, most of the time all that's needed is one EMT in the back and one driving to the hospital, but getting the patient from their living room to the ambulance in the first place is a huge job. 

So the fire department comes in. 

Fire engines carry a lot of equipment that ambulances don't, also. Things like cribbing and ropes and Stokes baskets and air bags. If the front porch is super sketchy, we can throw a few firefighters at it to stabilize it so nobody falls through while carrying the patient out. 

Lastly, in most places, there are far more fire stations than ambulances on the road, so in general the firefighters usually get there first. Portland, Oregon (where I live) often has one available ambulance on the road for every five or six fire stations. Firefighters often get there 10-20 minutes before an ambulance rolls up, and in some cases that's enough time to make a huge difference. 

My department (not Portland, but nearby) is entirely staffed with EMTs (one EMT-Paramedic per rig, and everyone else is an EMT-B) and we carry all the medical supplies on every fire engine that the ambulance carries.
 
2020-07-29 11:53:44 PM  
Really? No volunteer FFs here?

What a weird thread.

We called it "manpower." They were by far the majority of the calls I ran in my time. I was low on the totem pole, so I did the jobs like holding the woman's hand as they cut the car out from around her as the medics checked her kids (I'd sat with them too before I squeezed into the wreck), helped lift the 575lb man from the chair he couldn't get out of, and held the garbage can and made sure the comatose woman didn't choke on her own vomit while the Narcan did its thing.

Interesting to not hear anything from the rescue side - since ours were 2 man teams, they needed all the help they could get. But we always had at least 2 EMT-B's on our crew, usually a -P. Never mind all the grunt work we did - garbage and fluid cleanup, etc.

/never will forget the shade of grey in the skin of that cardiac arrest guy in the middle of Wegman's
//don't know if he made it or not
///it was called Fire & Rescue for a reason
 
2020-07-29 11:54:00 PM  
Former EMT

if only 2 are EMT B (basic) then they shouldn't be responding to those calls anyway.
 
2020-07-30 12:01:04 AM  
Why are they so fat?
 
2020-07-30 12:01:05 AM  

baka-san: Former EMT

if only 2 are EMT B (basic) then they shouldn't be responding to those calls anyway.


Come on. Never saw one of you refuse help when it came to the labor side of things. I wasn't there for my medical training, I was there because you needed help getting Grandma-on-a-Gurney into the back of the vehicle.
 
2020-07-30 12:02:12 AM  
The fact that the article calls out problems when they get hands on with medical emergencies they aren't qualified to when they arrive first makes me think it likely that *something* prompted the change, and I wouldn't be surprised if someone died, was permenantly disabled, or had complications due to doing something that your average person may do in a medical emergency that experts would tell us is a very bad no good idea. Slapping on a bandage is one thing, but all it takes is for one of them to try to move someone with a back injury or try to set a limb they didn't fully understand and people are going to get all lawsuity and the savings of a volunteer department are suddenly less than the legal and insurance costs.
 
2020-07-30 12:05:21 AM  

darkmythology: The fact that the article calls out problems when they get hands on with medical emergencies they aren't qualified to when they arrive first makes me think it likely that *something* prompted the change, and I wouldn't be surprised if someone died, was permenantly disabled, or had complications due to doing something that your average person may do in a medical emergency that experts would tell us is a very bad no good idea. Slapping on a bandage is one thing, but all it takes is for one of them to try to move someone with a back injury or try to set a limb they didn't fully understand and people are going to get all lawsuity and the savings of a volunteer department are suddenly less than the legal and insurance costs.


I don't ever remember getting to a manpower call first, because the medics would always ask for us en route or on scene. But with a squad that small, you could be right - maybe they'd been through problems.
 
2020-07-30 12:07:42 AM  
But hey, to ya'll emergency medical folks,

You know you're doing the lord's work, right? Like, even if you don't believe in the lord, and even if the people you're saving do believe in the lord (or vice versa or whatever), it's just incredible, brutal work you do, and we all appreciate & thank you!
 
2020-07-30 12:08:12 AM  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: Tax cuts baby. They killed standing fire service, and now they're killing volunteer fire service.

But hey...billionaire's money is safe! So it's worth it!


More likely the city pols are getting kickbacks from the for-profit ambulance service.  I saw that happen in a Democrat run area where I live.  City fired the FD-run ambulance service.  Private service took over.  Result were prices tripled and all of sudden ambulances were being used for EVERYTHING.  Including strapping people in who weren't seriously ill and didn't want to take an ambulance and being used more for a taxi service.  Hey!  Medicare/medicaid is paying for it so it doesn't cost anything!  Rolls eyes.
 
2020-07-30 12:13:50 AM  

Jz4p: I've been wondering for a while why fire and ambulance are responding to each medical call.  I remember it being implemented about 10 years ago, and parts of the reasoning make sense:

The first to arrive can provide life saving help.

In my town, though, I usually see the fire truck and the ambulance racing down the street 10 seconds apart from each other. 60% of calls seem to stop at care homes for the elderly, I suspect when it's already too late.

This doesn't mean it's a bad idea, just that I don't understand it.

/The one time I reported a medical emergency by calling 911, the police showed up and lectured a teen who had memory loss after a solo skateboarding accident that it was illegal in the area.
//The order of arrival was: Ambulance, Police, Fire.  This was right at the edge of the fire department's effective area, though.


The one time that I had to call 911 for a medical emergency the police showed up, followed by firefighters, followed by ambulance.
 
2020-07-30 12:17:51 AM  

hawaiijenno: Good.  Go play fireman in your yard where you won't put someone in jeopardy with your ignorance. I'm not an engineer so I don't demand to volunteer to build bridges.  They aren't medically trained so why the hell would they think they have the "right" to respond to medical emergencies?


Try living in rural, unincorporated areas. The ambulances will be lucky to find your address, let alone your body. The VFDs do very much serve a purpose out in the sticks when everyone else is over an hour away from the next city. And they can very much be appropriately trained. At least that much should be expected of them.
 
2020-07-30 12:20:57 AM  

undernova: Really? No volunteer FFs here?

What a weird thread.

We called it "manpower." They were by far the majority of the calls I ran in my time. I was low on the totem pole, so I did the jobs like holding the woman's hand as they cut the car out from around her as the medics checked her kids (I'd sat with them too before I squeezed into the wreck), helped lift the 575lb man from the chair he couldn't get out of, and held the garbage can and made sure the comatose woman didn't choke on her own vomit while the Narcan did its thing.

Interesting to not hear anything from the rescue side - since ours were 2 man teams, they needed all the help they could get. But we always had at least 2 EMT-B's on our crew, usually a -P. Never mind all the grunt work we did - garbage and fluid cleanup, etc.

/never will forget the shade of grey in the skin of that cardiac arrest guy in the middle of Wegman's
//don't know if he made it or not
///it was called Fire & Rescue for a reason


*raises hand*

Like a lot of us, we started with VFD's and some of us moved up.  YMMV.

/I am a Pyro.
//Learned how to deal with the animal.
///No, my name is not "Ronald"!
 
2020-07-30 12:21:10 AM  

fanbladesaresharp: hawaiijenno: Good.  Go play fireman in your yard where you won't put someone in jeopardy with your ignorance. I'm not an engineer so I don't demand to volunteer to build bridges.  They aren't medically trained so why the hell would they think they have the "right" to respond to medical emergencies?

Try living in rural, unincorporated areas. The ambulances will be lucky to find your address, let alone your body. The VFDs do very much serve a purpose out in the sticks when everyone else is over an hour away from the next city. And they can very much be appropriately trained. At least that much should be expected of them.


They can be appropriately trained. Many volunteers are, but this particular VFD is not.  They are crying about no longer being allowed to potentially hurt someone.
 
2020-07-30 12:25:46 AM  

gar1013: Jz4p: I've been wondering for a while why fire and ambulance are responding to each medical call.  I remember it being implemented about 10 years ago, and parts of the reasoning make sense:

The first to arrive can provide life saving help.

In my town, though, I usually see the fire truck and the ambulance racing down the street 10 seconds apart from each other. 60% of calls seem to stop at care homes for the elderly, I suspect when it's already too late.

This doesn't mean it's a bad idea, just that I don't understand it.

/The one time I reported a medical emergency by calling 911, the police showed up and lectured a teen who had memory loss after a solo skateboarding accident that it was illegal in the area.
//The order of arrival was: Ambulance, Police, Fire.  This was right at the edge of the fire department's effective area, though.

The one time that I had to call 911 for a medical emergency the police showed up, followed by firefighters, followed by ambulance.


I am so thankful that our E911 "Call-takers" are well-versed in Triage.  No offense to "cops", but unless we need you for traffic control, or securing our potential scene, please just stay out of it and let us do our job, Thank You!
 
2020-07-30 12:36:55 AM  

MSBFDffpm: gar1013: Jz4p: I've been wondering for a while why fire and ambulance are responding to each medical call.  I remember it being implemented about 10 years ago, and parts of the reasoning make sense:

The first to arrive can provide life saving help.

In my town, though, I usually see the fire truck and the ambulance racing down the street 10 seconds apart from each other. 60% of calls seem to stop at care homes for the elderly, I suspect when it's already too late.

This doesn't mean it's a bad idea, just that I don't understand it.

/The one time I reported a medical emergency by calling 911, the police showed up and lectured a teen who had memory loss after a solo skateboarding accident that it was illegal in the area.
//The order of arrival was: Ambulance, Police, Fire.  This was right at the edge of the fire department's effective area, though.

The one time that I had to call 911 for a medical emergency the police showed up, followed by firefighters, followed by ambulance.

I am so thankful that our E911 "Call-takers" are well-versed in Triage.  No offense to "cops", but unless we need you for traffic control, or securing our potential scene, please just stay out of it and let us do our job, Thank You!


In this case, the cop showed up a few minutes before the firefighters, and frankly what he did or didn't do was all a blur - I think he had an oxygen tank and mask in his trunk.

At the time, I was a teenager and my mom was in the middle of having a heart attack - any and all help was greatly appreciated, and she made a full recovery.

I'm actually fortunate to have a firefighter living a few doors down from me these days. Probably one of the most polite and sincere people I have ever met.
 
2020-07-30 12:42:12 AM  

Jz4p: I've been wondering for a while why fire and ambulance are responding to each medical call.  I remember it being implemented about 10 years ago, and parts of the reasoning make sense:

The first to arrive can provide life saving help.

In my town, though, I usually see the fire truck and the ambulance racing down the street 10 seconds apart from each other. 60% of calls seem to stop at care homes for the elderly, I suspect when it's already too late.

This doesn't mean it's a bad idea, just that I don't understand it.

/The one time I reported a medical emergency by calling 911, the police showed up and lectured a teen who had memory loss after a solo skateboarding accident that it was illegal in the area.
//The order of arrival was: Ambulance, Police, Fire.  This was right at the edge of the fire department's effective area, though.


Well, around here the cops show up to make sure there's nothing they can arrest you for before fire shows up.

If they decide that heart attack is really just drugs, good luck not dying in jail.
 
2020-07-30 12:52:09 AM  

Bruscar: Apparently, I'm the only person in this thread who had a childhood.

Some folks here need some happy-happy, joy-joy pills.


My brother and I were 'free range' children with only two restrictions: be home for dinner and later, be home before dark. After about age 13 the 'before dark' restriction was lifted.
 
2020-07-30 1:00:21 AM  

MSBFDffpm: gar1013: Jz4p: I've been wondering for a while why fire and ambulance are responding to each medical call.  I remember it being implemented about 10 years ago, and parts of the reasoning make sense:

The first to arrive can provide life saving help.

In my town, though, I usually see the fire truck and the ambulance racing down the street 10 seconds apart from each other. 60% of calls seem to stop at care homes for the elderly, I suspect when it's already too late.

This doesn't mean it's a bad idea, just that I don't understand it.

/The one time I reported a medical emergency by calling 911, the police showed up and lectured a teen who had memory loss after a solo skateboarding accident that it was illegal in the area.
//The order of arrival was: Ambulance, Police, Fire.  This was right at the edge of the fire department's effective area, though.

The one time that I had to call 911 for a medical emergency the police showed up, followed by firefighters, followed by ambulance.

I am so thankful that our E911 "Call-takers" are well-versed in Triage.  No offense to cops, or VFD's, but unless we need you for traffic control,or a Lift-Assist, please just stay out of it and let us do our job, Thank You!


FTFM
 
2020-07-30 1:17:37 AM  

skyotter: "We refuse to do less work, so we quit."

What am I missing?


Nothing, they are that stupid
 
2020-07-30 1:24:04 AM  

kozlo: NephilimNexus: Hood stated, according to KFDM.

Did anyone else here misread that the same way I did?

I declare war on the world?


I have a drug against war
 
2020-07-30 1:26:48 AM  

Hallows_Eve: kozlo: NephilimNexus: Hood stated, according to KFDM.

Did anyone else here misread that the same way I did?

I declare war on the world?

The drug against war?


fark!
/Hat tip
 
2020-07-30 1:31:12 AM  

NephilimNexus: Hood stated, according to KFDM.

Did anyone else here misread that the same way I did?


Fun Fact, I knew the son of one of the dudes in KMFDM.  This was 25 years ago and I think the kid is or was playing with MDC, like later, way after I left town.
 
2020-07-30 1:49:33 AM  
Bunch of f*cking cry babies.
 
2020-07-30 1:50:34 AM  

Iniamyen: Yeah, I mean why do we need volunteers when we could spend money instead? Meanwhile, the same folks are pushing to get police defunded... Can you say "cognitive dissonance"?


Can you say "moron does not know what defunding the police means"?
 
2020-07-30 1:58:41 AM  
We used to tell people a firefighter can get you fifteen minutes, an ambulance can get you fifteen miles, and a nurse can get you fifteen years.
Of course, the more help you get in any one of those categories can sure come in handy if it keeps you from becoming an ancestor. There's an awful lot of help that isn't trained in emergency response or rescue that doesn't understand language, protocols, radio, traffic and such that just gets in the way. A couple big, fat firefighters can come in handy when both paramedics are busy on a patient and 2 or 3 screaming goofballs are roaming around looking for attention. Doesn't hurt to have an extra hand to carry cases back to the ambulance while paramedics are packaging and shipping a patient.
A lot of volunteers are paid, each department is different, and usually an ambulance can call for additional units, but you are more likely to have a better experience with an extra fire truck than you ever will with 10 extra police cars.
The world has changed, and some fire chiefs are anachronistic and ceremonial in their understanding of budgeting, but I'd rather have 3 extra firefighters on a call than any amount of pencil pushers from The Department of Tan Suits from the city saving me money.
 
2020-07-30 2:06:48 AM  

chitownmike: skyotter: "We refuse to do less work, so we quit."

What am I missing?

Nothing, they are that stupid


They didn't sign up to do nothing. Remember, they're volunteers - they want to be involved.

Bruscar: in the 70's and 80's, one of my uncles was in the civil defense and a volunteer firefighter. He kept his First Aid and CPR certifications up-to-date. He was trained to use a jaws-of-life-device and a fireman's hose - which is harder to handle than you might think.  A kind of rescue van was parked in front of his house. It had a siren, but no rear seats. Instead, it had shelves screwed to the sides to hold medical supplies.

My uncle would get a call on his radio and shout to all the kids in the vicinity "C'mon, if you wanna see the action!" We'd sprint to pile in the back. I remember sitting on the floor in the back of the van with siblings, cousins, and neighbor kids, sliding from one side of the van to the other, with spare bandages and other medical supplies spilling out of their containers, as my uncle careened through town with us in the back.  We saw fires and vehicle crashes and more.

That sort of thing is not allowed anymore. Transporting a gaggle of children at high speeds, unrestrained by any seat belt or other safety device, to witness fire, blood, mayhem, and death is deemed unsafe. Tsk, tsk, nanny state, tsk, tsk.


That sounds awesome! I grew up in a town with a volunteer fire department and some people would take their kids on calls; they then grew up to be first responders of various types as well. It's an all-professional department now. I know one guy who was a volunteer firefighter and his kid was an EMT for a while before becoming a sheriff's deputy...so he definitely has some useful background there.


hawaiijenno: Good.  Go play fireman in your yard where you won't put someone in jeopardy with your ignorance. I'm not an engineer so I don't demand to volunteer to build bridges.  They aren't medically trained so why the hell would they think they have the "right" to respond to medical emergencies?


Have you ever lived in a small town?

haknudsen: Iniamyen: Yeah, I mean why do we need volunteers when we could spend money instead? Meanwhile, the same folks are pushing to get police defunded... Can you say "cognitive dissonance"?

because the volunteers are not qualified.
Can you say, "ignorant"


Ignorance?

SumoJeb: Just what I want when in a medical emergency. A fat fark volunteer firefighter with minimal applicable skills.
Bonus if they show up on scene with alcohol on their breath.


The last three comments are highly indicative of the loss of community involvement in the West. We've become a civilization of convenience consumers, both in the retail and the municipal sense. We pay taxes and expect that someone who works for the city or county will handle things for us. There's little obligation on the part of people to actually get involved in maintaining the places that we live in. We might attend a community meeting if it's something that directly affects us, but we won't seriously go out of our way to help our fellow citizens. We don't want to make serious, binding commitments.

Volunteering for the fire department is apparently seen now as a hokey, corny thing done by overall-wearing hayseeds, rather than a selfless act which requires hundreds of hours of one's time a year.  Hopefully some of you get out and pick up trash in front of your neighbors' yards, mow the grass out there or maybe participate in some kind of local volunteer effort. It would be pretty sad to imagine everyone just sitting on their asses. Maybe that's why this country seems so divided lately.
 
2020-07-30 2:08:06 AM  

Mock26: Bunch of f*cking cry babies.


Are you busting your ass to help your neighbors?
 
2020-07-30 2:12:05 AM  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: Tax cuts baby. They killed standing fire service, and now they're killing volunteer fire service.

But hey...billionaire's money is safe! So it's worth it!


A: there are no billionaires in a 2000-population town in deep East Texas.
B: a 2000-pop town in the vicinity of *Orange* was never big enough to have a standing fire service in the first place.  They would have always been a volunteer service.
C: the volunteer fire service wasn't killed, it committed suicide because it got butthurt that the city noticed that they weren't certified for the ambulance calls that they were going out on (and getting there after the contracted ambulance service anyways, so they were wasting everyone's time and money)
 
2020-07-30 2:15:28 AM  

khatores: Volunteering for the fire department is apparently seen now as a hokey, corny thing done by overall-wearing hayseeds, rather than a selfless act which requires hundreds of hours of one's time a year. Hopefully some of you get out and pick up trash in front of your neighbors' yards, mow the grass out there or maybe participate in some kind of local volunteer effort. It would be pretty sad to imagine everyone just sitting on their asses. Maybe that's why this country seems so divided lately.


Nobody is shiatting on them for being volunteer firefighters.  That's an honorable and selfless service to their community.

They're being shat on for not being farking certified for medical calls and still showing up, then for them resigning en-masse leaving their community without a local fire department in a temper tantrum because the city told them to stop answering calls they weren't certified to do!
 
2020-07-30 2:31:17 AM  

NEDM: khatores: Volunteering for the fire department is apparently seen now as a hokey, corny thing done by overall-wearing hayseeds, rather than a selfless act which requires hundreds of hours of one's time a year. Hopefully some of you get out and pick up trash in front of your neighbors' yards, mow the grass out there or maybe participate in some kind of local volunteer effort. It would be pretty sad to imagine everyone just sitting on their asses. Maybe that's why this country seems so divided lately.

Nobody is shiatting on them for being volunteer firefighters.  That's an honorable and selfless service to their community.

They're being shat on for not being farking certified for medical calls and still showing up, then for them resigning en-masse leaving their community without a local fire department in a temper tantrum because the city told them to stop answering calls they weren't certified to do!


Maybe the town should pay for their certification and training so that they could make more of a contribution.

It sounds like we're getting something far from the full story here...as many in this thread have pointed out, undoubtedly they provide some additional support services during calls - for example, blocking off roads, making it easier to get patients out of a residence, calming people down and that sort of thing. Particularly now, firefighters can have a presence as a first responder that police might not be able to. People tend to find police intimidating, whereas firefighters are reassuring, even if they're yokels.

If you've ever been to a call like that, the patient often is overweight and immobile, so getting them out of the house can be a challenge. There's usually one or more family members losing their mind while the EMTs are working. If someone doesn't calm them the fark down, then it's going to turn into a second call.
 
2020-07-30 2:57:10 AM  
I see they got new work as volunteer gravy tasters at the Municipal Chicken Fried Steak Warehouse.
 
2020-07-30 3:05:17 AM  
khatores:

I've volunteered on SAR and vehicle rescue units. I've lived in rural or remote places most my life.

I still wouldn't want some jackhole cowboy who thinks they are god with a badge doing aid on me without the proper training.
 
2020-07-30 3:49:22 AM  
Just a thought- what would medical and vehicle insurance companies think of this?

Would they be shocked on hearing that many people involved in actions and decisions leading to them needing to pay out the big bucks are not actually qualified to be involved in those situations?

Would any of them be greedy enough to try and get the money back from their payouts in these cases?

Because if you paid out money to someone who wasn't qualified, like an untrained builder renovating your house who did a shoddy and unsafe job, wouldn't YOU want your money back?
 
2020-07-30 5:22:37 AM  

RoboZombie: RogermcAllen: skyotter: "We refuse to do less work, so we quit."

What am I missing?

I'm guessing some sort of overtime scam.  Get called out to medical call they aren't qualified for so they can stand around and bill the city.

They don't get paid. I guess they like to feel important but are actually impotent when it comes to helping people in  medical emergency


They get paid per call.  They also get to drive their personal vehicles or an apparatus with lights and sirens blaring to a call they can't do anything for.
 
2020-07-30 5:27:12 AM  

talkertopc: RoboZombie: RogermcAllen: skyotter: "We refuse to do less work, so we quit."

What am I missing?

I'm guessing some sort of overtime scam.  Get called out to medical call they aren't qualified for so they can stand around and bill the city.

They don't get paid. I guess they like to feel important but are actually impotent when it comes to helping people in  medical emergency

The city probably pay for the gas, the equipments and its maintenance though.


Generally the volunteer dept. acts as a contractor for the county.  They respond outside of the city limits.  The idea here is to have the municipal FD respond to medical calls since they're actually up to date, and have to remain that way, on medical tish according to the state.  These geriatrics who just want to be nosey on calls they can't do anything for are upset that they're being requested not to go on.
 
2020-07-30 5:56:31 AM  

Raoul Eaton: Bruscar: Apparently, I'm the only person in this thread who had a childhood.

Some folks here need some happy-happy, joy-joy pills.

I can't see who you're responding to, but I remember the time 17 boy scouts crammed into a car and drove around for a while, and the adults all thought it was hilarious.


That sounds like a euphemism for something.
 
2020-07-30 6:19:02 AM  
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2020-07-30 9:35:44 AM  

SumoJeb: khatores:

I've volunteered on SAR and vehicle rescue units. I've lived in rural or remote places most my life.

I still wouldn't want some jackhole cowboy who thinks they are god with a badge doing aid on me without the proper training.


Well the article did not say they were mindlessly trying to work on patients. That was one side of the story but the volunteer firefighters themselves did not say they were working on patients if they were not qualified.
 
2020-07-30 9:59:37 AM  
If you don't know any people in Texas, I can tell you that nobody throws Pout Parties like a bunch of Texans. They get their panties in a wad and they stay there for years, even decades.
 
2020-07-30 10:22:45 AM  
Well, I was a volly before turning career, and I can say from experience that both sides have valid points. I believe it's absolutely true that firefighters on scene can help, even if it's after the ambulance has arrived (ie getting medical info on the patient for transport, getting the cot close to the patient and assisting with lifting them etc), but it would ALSO behoove them all to at LEAST have their EMR, (basic medical training), to help further and justify their responding all the more. And if they're volunteer, they're not making money for responding, so they WANT to help, but it would really strengthen their case to apply for grant funding to make the ones that aren't EMT-Bs at least EMRs.
 
2020-07-30 11:01:30 AM  

RogermcAllen: skyotter: "We refuse to do less work, so we quit."

What am I missing?

I'm guessing some sort of overtime scam.  Get called out to medical call they aren't qualified for so they can stand around and bill the city.


But they were volunteers.....
 
2020-07-30 11:45:07 AM  

Iniamyen: Yeah, I mean why do we need volunteers when we could spend money instead? Meanwhile, the same folks are pushing to get police defunded... Can you say "cognitive dissonance"?



the answer you did not see, is that some communities are actually too small and too poor to afford to offer full time employment for fire fighting services to be much more than voluntary staffed and often just private donations for equipment funding.


but then why would you bother to know that some of your fellow country members live in communities that are not as well off as yours apparently is.

Stupid plebs get what they get for being stupid plebs right?
 
2020-07-30 12:01:21 PM  
What does it say that the people that look least physically fit to be firefighters are the only ones to volunteer.
 
2020-07-30 12:15:54 PM  

PvtStash: Iniamyen: Yeah, I mean why do we need volunteers when we could spend money instead? Meanwhile, the same folks are pushing to get police defunded... Can you say "cognitive dissonance"?


the answer you did not see, is that some communities are actually too small and too poor to afford to offer full time employment for fire fighting services to be much more than voluntary staffed and often just private donations for equipment funding.


but then why would you bother to know that some of your fellow country members live in communities that are not as well off as yours apparently is.

Stupid plebs get what they get for being stupid plebs right?


The equipment, apparatus and , supplies are expensive.  The annual inspections to keep PPE in compliance with NFPA standards aren't cheap either. Full-time paid departments cost money.

Pay the folks or you get what you pay for.  Volunteers with good intentions that lack skills or professional firefighters that are highly trained and do EMS/Rescue for a living.

Or support the vollies by training them and outfitting them appropriately with qualified professional leadership.
 
2020-07-30 8:58:49 PM  

khatores: Mock26: Bunch of f*cking cry babies.

Are you busting your ass to help your neighbors?


Busting my ass? No. But I am helping my neighbors as much as I can. I am also supplementing one friend's monthly income to cover most of her food expenses and her utilities. And on top of that as soon as I got my $1200 check from the Government I loaned it out to an unemployed friend who was struggling, at 0% interest to be paid back any time over the course of the next 20 years. And if he is never able to pay it back then I will not fret about it. But that has nothing to do with the story of those f*cking crybabies. Most of them are not qualified EMTs so it makes sense to not call them for EMT calls.
 
2020-07-30 9:01:21 PM  

punkwrestler: RogermcAllen: skyotter: "We refuse to do less work, so we quit."

What am I missing?

I'm guessing some sort of overtime scam.  Get called out to medical call they aren't qualified for so they can stand around and bill the city.

But they were volunteers.....


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Volunteer firefighters are not volunteering their services. They are volunteering to work as firefighters in addition to their regular job. And they get paid for it.
 
2020-07-30 9:06:54 PM  

Mock26: punkwrestler: RogermcAllen: skyotter: "We refuse to do less work, so we quit."

What am I missing?

I'm guessing some sort of overtime scam.  Get called out to medical call they aren't qualified for so they can stand around and bill the city.

But they were volunteers.....

[Fark user image image 350x227]

Volunteer firefighters are not volunteering their services. They are volunteering to work as firefighters in addition to their regular job. And they get paid for it.


In my area people who are paid to be firefighters are called Professionnel Fire Fighters, those who are volunteer, don't get paid, that's what it usually means to volunteer.
 
2020-07-30 11:14:09 PM  

punkwrestler: Mock26: punkwrestler: RogermcAllen: skyotter: "We refuse to do less work, so we quit."

What am I missing?

I'm guessing some sort of overtime scam.  Get called out to medical call they aren't qualified for so they can stand around and bill the city.

But they were volunteers.....

[Fark user image image 350x227]

Volunteer firefighters are not volunteering their services. They are volunteering to work as firefighters in addition to their regular job. And they get paid for it.

In my area people who are paid to be firefighters are called Professionnel Fire Fighters, those who are volunteer, don't get paid, that's what it usually means to volunteer.


any rescue unit i've volunteered at we got paid for calls. You dont get paid to be on-call, but when you are called out you get a wage.
 
2020-07-30 11:40:49 PM  

punkwrestler: Mock26: punkwrestler: RogermcAllen: skyotter: "We refuse to do less work, so we quit."

What am I missing?

I'm guessing some sort of overtime scam.  Get called out to medical call they aren't qualified for so they can stand around and bill the city.

But they were volunteers.....

[Fark user image image 350x227]

Volunteer firefighters are not volunteering their services. They are volunteering to work as firefighters in addition to their regular job. And they get paid for it.

In my area people who are paid to be firefighters are called Professionnel Fire Fighters, those who are volunteer, don't get paid, that's what it usually means to volunteer.


Not when it comes to firefighters. They are only paid for when they go on a call. It allows smaller communities to have a fire department for cheaper than it would cost to hire fire fighters full time. A lot of small communities simply cannot afford full time fire fighters. And in your State of Virginia the average hourly rate for volunteer firefighters when on a call is just over $19 an hour. Funny that for people who do not get paid there is data on their average salary in your State, and elsewhere on that site you can find the average salary of volunteer firefighters for Fairfax County, VA.
 
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