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2020-07-29 11:10:00 PM  
"We refuse to do less work, so we quit."

What am I missing?
 
2020-07-29 11:12:32 PM  
Yeah, I mean why do we need volunteers when we could spend money instead? Meanwhile, the same folks are pushing to get police defunded... Can you say "cognitive dissonance"?
 
2020-07-29 11:13:06 PM  
Nothing against their volunteering, but only about 4 of them look like they can pass a physical putting themselves and others in danger in the event of a structure fire.
 
2020-07-29 11:14:21 PM  
Hood stated, according to KFDM.

Did anyone else here misread that the same way I did?
 
2020-07-29 11:16:11 PM  
Tax cuts baby. They killed standing fire service, and now they're killing volunteer fire service.

But hey...billionaire's money is safe! So it's worth it!
 
2020-07-29 11:17:23 PM  

skyotter: "We refuse to do less work, so we quit."

What am I missing?


I'm guessing some sort of overtime scam.  Get called out to medical call they aren't qualified for so they can stand around and bill the city.
 
2020-07-29 11:17:56 PM  
And nothing of value was lost.
 
2020-07-29 11:18:13 PM  
Good.  Go play fireman in your yard where you won't put someone in jeopardy with your ignorance. I'm not an engineer so I don't demand to volunteer to build bridges.  They aren't medically trained so why the hell would they think they have the "right" to respond to medical emergencies?
 
2020-07-29 11:19:31 PM  

RogermcAllen: skyotter: "We refuse to do less work, so we quit."

What am I missing?

I'm guessing some sort of overtime scam.  Get called out to medical call they aren't qualified for so they can stand around and bill the city.


They don't get paid. I guess they like to feel important but are actually impotent when it comes to helping people in  medical emergency
 
2020-07-29 11:23:14 PM  
in the 70's and 80's, one of my uncles was in the civil defense and a volunteer firefighter. He kept his First Aid and CPR certifications up-to-date. He was trained to use a jaws-of-life-device and a fireman's hose - which is harder to handle than you might think.  A kind of rescue van was parked in front of his house. It had a siren, but no rear seats. Instead, it had shelves screwed to the sides to hold medical supplies.

My uncle would get a call on his radio and shout to all the kids in the vicinity "C'mon, if you wanna see the action!" We'd sprint to pile in the back. I remember sitting on the floor in the back of the van with siblings, cousins, and neighbor kids, sliding from one side of the van to the other, with spare bandages and other medical supplies spilling out of their containers, as my uncle careened through town with us in the back.  We saw fires and vehicle crashes and more.

That sort of thing is not allowed anymore. Transporting a gaggle of children at high speeds, unrestrained by any seat belt or other safety device, to witness fire, blood, mayhem, and death is deemed unsafe. Tsk, tsk, nanny state, tsk, tsk.
 
2020-07-29 11:23:14 PM  
A rural area with meth heads on the team with maga hats and automatic rifles no doubt.
 
2020-07-29 11:24:25 PM  
Pinehurst, Texas. Population, 2000 and change.

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"If you've got no Pinehurst...You've got no Texas."
 
2020-07-29 11:25:21 PM  
Fire Academy 4: Citizens on Patrol
 
2020-07-29 11:26:04 PM  
Apparently, I'm the only person in this thread who had a childhood.

Some folks here need some happy-happy, joy-joy pills.
 
2020-07-29 11:26:07 PM  
Cartman - Screw You Guys I'm Going Home
Youtube RXS1sJm7QEA
 
2020-07-29 11:28:35 PM  
I've been wondering for a while why fire and ambulance are responding to each medical call.  I remember it being implemented about 10 years ago, and parts of the reasoning make sense:

The first to arrive can provide life saving help.

In my town, though, I usually see the fire truck and the ambulance racing down the street 10 seconds apart from each other. 60% of calls seem to stop at care homes for the elderly, I suspect when it's already too late.

This doesn't mean it's a bad idea, just that I don't understand it.

/The one time I reported a medical emergency by calling 911, the police showed up and lectured a teen who had memory loss after a solo skateboarding accident that it was illegal in the area.
//The order of arrival was: Ambulance, Police, Fire.  This was right at the edge of the fire department's effective area, though.
 
2020-07-29 11:31:12 PM  

NephilimNexus: Hood stated, according to KFDM.

Did anyone else here misread that the same way I did?


I declare war on the world?
 
2020-07-29 11:33:17 PM  
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In Japan, the volunteer firefighters are mostly teenagers, and also have a Priestess and a Sword user on duty at all times.
 
2020-07-29 11:34:03 PM  

RoboZombie: RogermcAllen: skyotter: "We refuse to do less work, so we quit."

What am I missing?

I'm guessing some sort of overtime scam.  Get called out to medical call they aren't qualified for so they can stand around and bill the city.

They don't get paid. I guess they like to feel important but are actually impotent when it comes to helping people in  medical emergency


The city probably pay for the gas, the equipments and its maintenance though.
 
2020-07-29 11:34:59 PM  

Iniamyen: Yeah, I mean why do we need volunteers when we could spend money instead? Meanwhile, the same folks are pushing to get police defunded... Can you say "cognitive dissonance"?


because the volunteers are not qualified.
Can you say, "ignorant"
 
2020-07-29 11:35:07 PM  
Just what I want when in a medical emergency. A fat fark volunteer firefighter with minimal applicable skills.
Bonus if they show up on scene with alcohol on their breath.
 
2020-07-29 11:35:31 PM  
They also have a handgun expert and some sort of crazy guy as well, apparently.
 
2020-07-29 11:37:11 PM  
Calls Deemed Unnecessary For Response:

* Assaults
* Breathing Problems
* Chest Pain
* Heart Problems
* Childbirth/Pregnancy
* Choking
* Diabetic Emergency
* Falls
* Overdose/Poisoning
* Seizures
* Stroke/CVA
* Traumatic Injury
* Unknown Problem
* Unresponsive

Ok, you know what? It's obvious they're at the party, but nobody really wants them there.

"Sure, you can stay but"

* No drinking
* No smoking
* No talking
* No sexing
* No fun

"But stay as long as you like -- no really!"
 
2020-07-29 11:39:36 PM  
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2020-07-29 11:40:20 PM  

kozlo: NephilimNexus: Hood stated, according to KFDM.

Did anyone else here misread that the same way I did?

I declare war on the world?


The drug against war?
 
2020-07-29 11:42:33 PM  
They got matching t shirts rather quickly though.
 
2020-07-29 11:45:50 PM  
My ex BIL was a volunteer firefighter. Made it all the way up to some sort of officer, 2nd or 3rd in command of his unit. Until one day while burning leaves in his back yard, he started a brush fire that torched over 300 acres. If it had been anywhere other than Podunk, Arkansas, I'm sure he would have made Fark, with a gleeful IRONIC tag chortling in the background.
 
2020-07-29 11:46:15 PM  

talkertopc: RoboZombie: RogermcAllen: skyotter: "We refuse to do less work, so we quit."

What am I missing?

I'm guessing some sort of overtime scam.  Get called out to medical call they aren't qualified for so they can stand around and bill the city.

They don't get paid. I guess they like to feel important but are actually impotent when it comes to helping people in  medical emergency

The city probably pay for the gas, the equipments and its maintenance though.


Are they still getting paid at their day jobs?
 
2020-07-29 11:46:54 PM  

Bruscar: Apparently, I'm the only person in this thread who had a childhood.

Some folks here need some happy-happy, joy-joy pills.


I can't see who you're responding to, but I remember the time 17 boy scouts crammed into a car and drove around for a while, and the adults all thought it was hilarious.
 
2020-07-29 11:49:04 PM  

Jz4p: I've been wondering for a while why fire and ambulance are responding to each medical call.  I remember it being implemented about 10 years ago, and parts of the reasoning make sense:

The first to arrive can provide life saving help.

In my town, though, I usually see the fire truck and the ambulance racing down the street 10 seconds apart from each other. 60% of calls seem to stop at care homes for the elderly, I suspect when it's already too late.

This doesn't mean it's a bad idea, just that I don't understand it.

/The one time I reported a medical emergency by calling 911, the police showed up and lectured a teen who had memory loss after a solo skateboarding accident that it was illegal in the area.
//The order of arrival was: Ambulance, Police, Fire.  This was right at the edge of the fire department's effective area, though.


Firefighter/EMT here - 

The reason is that almost all medical transports require more than two people to get the patient to the ambulance. Once they are loaded in, most of the time all that's needed is one EMT in the back and one driving to the hospital, but getting the patient from their living room to the ambulance in the first place is a huge job. 

So the fire department comes in. 

Fire engines carry a lot of equipment that ambulances don't, also. Things like cribbing and ropes and Stokes baskets and air bags. If the front porch is super sketchy, we can throw a few firefighters at it to stabilize it so nobody falls through while carrying the patient out. 

Lastly, in most places, there are far more fire stations than ambulances on the road, so in general the firefighters usually get there first. Portland, Oregon (where I live) often has one available ambulance on the road for every five or six fire stations. Firefighters often get there 10-20 minutes before an ambulance rolls up, and in some cases that's enough time to make a huge difference. 

My department (not Portland, but nearby) is entirely staffed with EMTs (one EMT-Paramedic per rig, and everyone else is an EMT-B) and we carry all the medical supplies on every fire engine that the ambulance carries.
 
2020-07-29 11:53:44 PM  
Really? No volunteer FFs here?

What a weird thread.

We called it "manpower." They were by far the majority of the calls I ran in my time. I was low on the totem pole, so I did the jobs like holding the woman's hand as they cut the car out from around her as the medics checked her kids (I'd sat with them too before I squeezed into the wreck), helped lift the 575lb man from the chair he couldn't get out of, and held the garbage can and made sure the comatose woman didn't choke on her own vomit while the Narcan did its thing.

Interesting to not hear anything from the rescue side - since ours were 2 man teams, they needed all the help they could get. But we always had at least 2 EMT-B's on our crew, usually a -P. Never mind all the grunt work we did - garbage and fluid cleanup, etc.

/never will forget the shade of grey in the skin of that cardiac arrest guy in the middle of Wegman's
//don't know if he made it or not
///it was called Fire & Rescue for a reason
 
2020-07-29 11:54:00 PM  
Former EMT

if only 2 are EMT B (basic) then they shouldn't be responding to those calls anyway.
 
2020-07-30 12:01:04 AM  
Why are they so fat?
 
2020-07-30 12:01:05 AM  

baka-san: Former EMT

if only 2 are EMT B (basic) then they shouldn't be responding to those calls anyway.


Come on. Never saw one of you refuse help when it came to the labor side of things. I wasn't there for my medical training, I was there because you needed help getting Grandma-on-a-Gurney into the back of the vehicle.
 
2020-07-30 12:02:12 AM  
The fact that the article calls out problems when they get hands on with medical emergencies they aren't qualified to when they arrive first makes me think it likely that *something* prompted the change, and I wouldn't be surprised if someone died, was permenantly disabled, or had complications due to doing something that your average person may do in a medical emergency that experts would tell us is a very bad no good idea. Slapping on a bandage is one thing, but all it takes is for one of them to try to move someone with a back injury or try to set a limb they didn't fully understand and people are going to get all lawsuity and the savings of a volunteer department are suddenly less than the legal and insurance costs.
 
2020-07-30 12:05:21 AM  

darkmythology: The fact that the article calls out problems when they get hands on with medical emergencies they aren't qualified to when they arrive first makes me think it likely that *something* prompted the change, and I wouldn't be surprised if someone died, was permenantly disabled, or had complications due to doing something that your average person may do in a medical emergency that experts would tell us is a very bad no good idea. Slapping on a bandage is one thing, but all it takes is for one of them to try to move someone with a back injury or try to set a limb they didn't fully understand and people are going to get all lawsuity and the savings of a volunteer department are suddenly less than the legal and insurance costs.


I don't ever remember getting to a manpower call first, because the medics would always ask for us en route or on scene. But with a squad that small, you could be right - maybe they'd been through problems.
 
2020-07-30 12:07:42 AM  
But hey, to ya'll emergency medical folks,

You know you're doing the lord's work, right? Like, even if you don't believe in the lord, and even if the people you're saving do believe in the lord (or vice versa or whatever), it's just incredible, brutal work you do, and we all appreciate & thank you!
 
2020-07-30 12:08:12 AM  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: Tax cuts baby. They killed standing fire service, and now they're killing volunteer fire service.

But hey...billionaire's money is safe! So it's worth it!


More likely the city pols are getting kickbacks from the for-profit ambulance service.  I saw that happen in a Democrat run area where I live.  City fired the FD-run ambulance service.  Private service took over.  Result were prices tripled and all of sudden ambulances were being used for EVERYTHING.  Including strapping people in who weren't seriously ill and didn't want to take an ambulance and being used more for a taxi service.  Hey!  Medicare/medicaid is paying for it so it doesn't cost anything!  Rolls eyes.
 
2020-07-30 12:13:50 AM  

Jz4p: I've been wondering for a while why fire and ambulance are responding to each medical call.  I remember it being implemented about 10 years ago, and parts of the reasoning make sense:

The first to arrive can provide life saving help.

In my town, though, I usually see the fire truck and the ambulance racing down the street 10 seconds apart from each other. 60% of calls seem to stop at care homes for the elderly, I suspect when it's already too late.

This doesn't mean it's a bad idea, just that I don't understand it.

/The one time I reported a medical emergency by calling 911, the police showed up and lectured a teen who had memory loss after a solo skateboarding accident that it was illegal in the area.
//The order of arrival was: Ambulance, Police, Fire.  This was right at the edge of the fire department's effective area, though.


The one time that I had to call 911 for a medical emergency the police showed up, followed by firefighters, followed by ambulance.
 
2020-07-30 12:17:51 AM  

hawaiijenno: Good.  Go play fireman in your yard where you won't put someone in jeopardy with your ignorance. I'm not an engineer so I don't demand to volunteer to build bridges.  They aren't medically trained so why the hell would they think they have the "right" to respond to medical emergencies?


Try living in rural, unincorporated areas. The ambulances will be lucky to find your address, let alone your body. The VFDs do very much serve a purpose out in the sticks when everyone else is over an hour away from the next city. And they can very much be appropriately trained. At least that much should be expected of them.
 
2020-07-30 12:20:57 AM  

undernova: Really? No volunteer FFs here?

What a weird thread.

We called it "manpower." They were by far the majority of the calls I ran in my time. I was low on the totem pole, so I did the jobs like holding the woman's hand as they cut the car out from around her as the medics checked her kids (I'd sat with them too before I squeezed into the wreck), helped lift the 575lb man from the chair he couldn't get out of, and held the garbage can and made sure the comatose woman didn't choke on her own vomit while the Narcan did its thing.

Interesting to not hear anything from the rescue side - since ours were 2 man teams, they needed all the help they could get. But we always had at least 2 EMT-B's on our crew, usually a -P. Never mind all the grunt work we did - garbage and fluid cleanup, etc.

/never will forget the shade of grey in the skin of that cardiac arrest guy in the middle of Wegman's
//don't know if he made it or not
///it was called Fire & Rescue for a reason


*raises hand*

Like a lot of us, we started with VFD's and some of us moved up.  YMMV.

/I am a Pyro.
//Learned how to deal with the animal.
///No, my name is not "Ronald"!
 
2020-07-30 12:21:10 AM  

fanbladesaresharp: hawaiijenno: Good.  Go play fireman in your yard where you won't put someone in jeopardy with your ignorance. I'm not an engineer so I don't demand to volunteer to build bridges.  They aren't medically trained so why the hell would they think they have the "right" to respond to medical emergencies?

Try living in rural, unincorporated areas. The ambulances will be lucky to find your address, let alone your body. The VFDs do very much serve a purpose out in the sticks when everyone else is over an hour away from the next city. And they can very much be appropriately trained. At least that much should be expected of them.


They can be appropriately trained. Many volunteers are, but this particular VFD is not.  They are crying about no longer being allowed to potentially hurt someone.
 
2020-07-30 12:25:46 AM  

gar1013: Jz4p: I've been wondering for a while why fire and ambulance are responding to each medical call.  I remember it being implemented about 10 years ago, and parts of the reasoning make sense:

The first to arrive can provide life saving help.

In my town, though, I usually see the fire truck and the ambulance racing down the street 10 seconds apart from each other. 60% of calls seem to stop at care homes for the elderly, I suspect when it's already too late.

This doesn't mean it's a bad idea, just that I don't understand it.

/The one time I reported a medical emergency by calling 911, the police showed up and lectured a teen who had memory loss after a solo skateboarding accident that it was illegal in the area.
//The order of arrival was: Ambulance, Police, Fire.  This was right at the edge of the fire department's effective area, though.

The one time that I had to call 911 for a medical emergency the police showed up, followed by firefighters, followed by ambulance.


I am so thankful that our E911 "Call-takers" are well-versed in Triage.  No offense to "cops", but unless we need you for traffic control, or securing our potential scene, please just stay out of it and let us do our job, Thank You!
 
2020-07-30 12:36:55 AM  

MSBFDffpm: gar1013: Jz4p: I've been wondering for a while why fire and ambulance are responding to each medical call.  I remember it being implemented about 10 years ago, and parts of the reasoning make sense:

The first to arrive can provide life saving help.

In my town, though, I usually see the fire truck and the ambulance racing down the street 10 seconds apart from each other. 60% of calls seem to stop at care homes for the elderly, I suspect when it's already too late.

This doesn't mean it's a bad idea, just that I don't understand it.

/The one time I reported a medical emergency by calling 911, the police showed up and lectured a teen who had memory loss after a solo skateboarding accident that it was illegal in the area.
//The order of arrival was: Ambulance, Police, Fire.  This was right at the edge of the fire department's effective area, though.

The one time that I had to call 911 for a medical emergency the police showed up, followed by firefighters, followed by ambulance.

I am so thankful that our E911 "Call-takers" are well-versed in Triage.  No offense to "cops", but unless we need you for traffic control, or securing our potential scene, please just stay out of it and let us do our job, Thank You!


In this case, the cop showed up a few minutes before the firefighters, and frankly what he did or didn't do was all a blur - I think he had an oxygen tank and mask in his trunk.

At the time, I was a teenager and my mom was in the middle of having a heart attack - any and all help was greatly appreciated, and she made a full recovery.

I'm actually fortunate to have a firefighter living a few doors down from me these days. Probably one of the most polite and sincere people I have ever met.
 
2020-07-30 12:42:12 AM  

Jz4p: I've been wondering for a while why fire and ambulance are responding to each medical call.  I remember it being implemented about 10 years ago, and parts of the reasoning make sense:

The first to arrive can provide life saving help.

In my town, though, I usually see the fire truck and the ambulance racing down the street 10 seconds apart from each other. 60% of calls seem to stop at care homes for the elderly, I suspect when it's already too late.

This doesn't mean it's a bad idea, just that I don't understand it.

/The one time I reported a medical emergency by calling 911, the police showed up and lectured a teen who had memory loss after a solo skateboarding accident that it was illegal in the area.
//The order of arrival was: Ambulance, Police, Fire.  This was right at the edge of the fire department's effective area, though.


Well, around here the cops show up to make sure there's nothing they can arrest you for before fire shows up.

If they decide that heart attack is really just drugs, good luck not dying in jail.
 
2020-07-30 12:52:09 AM  

Bruscar: Apparently, I'm the only person in this thread who had a childhood.

Some folks here need some happy-happy, joy-joy pills.


My brother and I were 'free range' children with only two restrictions: be home for dinner and later, be home before dark. After about age 13 the 'before dark' restriction was lifted.
 
2020-07-30 1:00:21 AM  

MSBFDffpm: gar1013: Jz4p: I've been wondering for a while why fire and ambulance are responding to each medical call.  I remember it being implemented about 10 years ago, and parts of the reasoning make sense:

The first to arrive can provide life saving help.

In my town, though, I usually see the fire truck and the ambulance racing down the street 10 seconds apart from each other. 60% of calls seem to stop at care homes for the elderly, I suspect when it's already too late.

This doesn't mean it's a bad idea, just that I don't understand it.

/The one time I reported a medical emergency by calling 911, the police showed up and lectured a teen who had memory loss after a solo skateboarding accident that it was illegal in the area.
//The order of arrival was: Ambulance, Police, Fire.  This was right at the edge of the fire department's effective area, though.

The one time that I had to call 911 for a medical emergency the police showed up, followed by firefighters, followed by ambulance.

I am so thankful that our E911 "Call-takers" are well-versed in Triage.  No offense to cops, or VFD's, but unless we need you for traffic control,or a Lift-Assist, please just stay out of it and let us do our job, Thank You!


FTFM
 
2020-07-30 1:17:37 AM  

skyotter: "We refuse to do less work, so we quit."

What am I missing?


Nothing, they are that stupid
 
2020-07-30 1:24:04 AM  

kozlo: NephilimNexus: Hood stated, according to KFDM.

Did anyone else here misread that the same way I did?

I declare war on the world?


I have a drug against war
 
2020-07-30 1:26:48 AM  

Hallows_Eve: kozlo: NephilimNexus: Hood stated, according to KFDM.

Did anyone else here misread that the same way I did?

I declare war on the world?

The drug against war?


fark!
/Hat tip
 
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