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(Nature)   Scientists say all forests on Earth will be clear cut within 100-200 years. The good news is, civilization will collapse in only 20-40 years, so the trees should be safe   (nature.com) divider line
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2020-07-29 10:28:58 AM  
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2020-07-29 10:41:02 AM  
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2020-07-29 10:50:58 AM  
i have known this for years. that's why i party like every day is my last.
 
2020-07-29 10:55:36 AM  
Gee, I wonder why.

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2020-07-29 11:18:48 AM  
Scientists say all forests on Earth will be clear cut within 100-200 years.

With a better work ethic it can be done sooner.
 
2020-07-29 11:23:41 AM  
Am I the only one who thinks this is a good idea?

I know many of you think we need trees around in case we get chased by a bear but guess what idiot those farkers can climb trees. Get rid of them and grow up.
 
2020-07-29 11:24:09 AM  
how can this be when my search engine plants 28gabrillion trees a year paid for by my super valuable searches?
 
2020-07-29 11:25:03 AM  
Chatter on the Wood Wide Web is frightening, the trees will be fighting back any day now.  Some rogue trees took out a power line inspection helicopter in NorCal about a month ago.

Cool book if you have nothing else to do or are just a curious person.
 
2020-07-29 11:27:30 AM  
Stop producing crotch fruit.
 
2020-07-29 11:27:49 AM  

MrBallou: Gee, I wonder why.

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Population in red, space for them to live in blue.


But the foetuses!  Foeiti.  Feti.  The babies!
 
2020-07-29 11:27:56 AM  

MrBallou: Gee, I wonder why.

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Population in red, space for them to live in blue.


Queue some idiot spewing "well you can fit everyone on earth on Ireland so there" or some such BS.
 
2020-07-29 11:28:06 AM  

great_tigers: Stop producing crotch fruit.


They are:
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2020-07-29 11:29:04 AM  

Rapmaster2000: great_tigers: Stop producing crotch fruit.

They are:
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It's a start.
 
2020-07-29 11:29:32 AM  
Wait until the fungi and the trees realize their common purpose, and common enemy.  There are more kinds of fungi than stars on a summer night.  Bacteria and virus are just the appetizer when it comes to the menu of infections.
 
2020-07-29 11:29:42 AM  
There's a nut in my office who always counters with "trees are a renewable resource"  every time it gets pointed out that clearcutting is bad forest management.
 
2020-07-29 11:29:51 AM  
Oh I bet it will be sooner than that. Most tree growing areas have been logged 2-3 times in the last 200 years. Somehow we still have lots of trees.
 
2020-07-29 11:30:07 AM  
I've seen that show.

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Everything will be fine.

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2020-07-29 11:30:50 AM  
The look on the guys face that cuts down the last tree when he it dawns on him he's out of a job.
 
2020-07-29 11:30:57 AM  

Rapmaster2000: great_tigers: Stop producing crotch fruit.

They are:
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Europe and North America are the two locations that have a net loss for child birth as of late. All other areas are producing on average over two children per woman.
 
2020-07-29 11:30:58 AM  
I have met quite a few scientists in the past 60 years.
Most of them are shaking their head as we read stories like this.
Nearly none of them deal exclusively in if/then statements without constant update and review (flow chart) thinking.

Relax.
 
2020-07-29 11:32:35 AM  

great_tigers: Stop producing crotch fruit.


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2020-07-29 11:32:59 AM  
We conquered the magic, we counted the stars
Deciphered the clockwork, enacted this farce
Devoured by shadows, we cling to the light
Deluded by wisdom, the bringer of night,Now and for always, a perpetual rise
A followed illusion,Your zenith fades into eternity
 
2020-07-29 11:34:12 AM  

great_tigers: Rapmaster2000: great_tigers: Stop producing crotch fruit.

They are:
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Europe and North America are the two locations that have a net loss for child birth as of late. All other areas are producing on average over two children per woman.


And the trend line is?
 
2020-07-29 11:35:06 AM  
well they seemed to leave out a very important part of the equation of "what is the sum total lost" when arriving at the 2.3 million square kilometers number.
 
2020-07-29 11:35:53 AM  
I hope they dont use all the trees to make paper for rich people to send old timey letters back and forth congratulating each other on getting their teenage androids pregnant. I think they should save a little to make wooden guns so that way when aliens come to enslave humanity we can say "Hey I guess youll be wanting our guns before you put us in your zoo or whatever" and when they try to shoot one of us to show they mean business we can all have a good laugh together.
 
2020-07-29 11:36:52 AM  

1funguy: I have met quite a few scientists in the past 60 years.
Most of them are shaking their head as we read stories like this.
Nearly none of them deal exclusively in if/then statements without constant update and review (flow chart) thinking.

Relax.


Cool story, Flat Earther.
 
2020-07-29 11:37:09 AM  

BitwiseShift: Wait until the fungi and the trees realize their common purpose, and common enemy.  There are more kinds of fungi than stars on a summer night.  Bacteria and virus are just the appetizer when it comes to the menu of infections.


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2020-07-29 11:37:51 AM  

Evil Mackerel: great_tigers: Stop producing crotch fruit.

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We could drastically reduce the population and our over-consumption would still be the problem, not more people doing it.
 
2020-07-29 11:38:30 AM  

maxandgrinch: Chatter on the Wood Wide Web is frightening, the trees will be fighting back any day now.  Some rogue trees took out a power line inspection helicopter in NorCal about a month ago.

Cool book if you have nothing else to do or are just a curious person.


Thanks for the suggestion, I just ordered a copy.
 
2020-07-29 11:39:14 AM  
I don't think it is reasonable to make sustainability argument regarding 100+ years in the future.
 
2020-07-29 11:39:27 AM  

MrBallou: Gee, I wonder why.

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Population in red, space for them to live in blue.


So you're saying the Chinese government should be applauded for their recent attempts to adjust the blue line by building islands in the ocean.
 
2020-07-29 11:39:57 AM  

maxandgrinch: Chatter on the Wood Wide Web is frightening, the trees will be fighting back any day now.  Some rogue trees took out a power line inspection helicopter in NorCal about a month ago.

Cool book if you have nothing else to do or are just a curious person.


We could sure use an intervention.   Whales and other marine mammals need to chip in, too.
 
2020-07-29 11:41:46 AM  

great_tigers: Stop producing crotch fruit.


The preferred term is "crotch goblins." Calling them "fruit" makes them seem benign.

/of course we can't just crash world population in a single generation
//but we could in fact formulate a workable plan to have fewer people
///but that would require actual thought, and corporations losing revenue in the short term, so no chance
 
2020-07-29 11:41:52 AM  
People will be equal with hatchet, ax, and saw.
 
2020-07-29 11:42:57 AM  
Forestation minimum in the US was around 1920, at 721,000,000 acres. Population : 106,000,000

Forestation now is 766,000,000 acres. Population : 330,000,000

Call me skeptical.
 
2020-07-29 11:49:48 AM  

stuffy: The look on the guys face that cuts down the last tree when he it dawns on him he's out of a job.


He can go mine coal. I'm sure coal mining will be back and better then ever by then.
 
2020-07-29 11:50:25 AM  

MrBallou: Gee, I wonder why.

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Population in red, space for them to live in blue.


I've been assured by top people that overpopulation isn't a thing because "the entire world population can fit in Texas"
 
2020-07-29 11:52:36 AM  

IRestoreFurniture: MrBallou: Gee, I wonder why.

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Population in red, space for them to live in blue.

I've been assured by top people that overpopulation isn't a thing because "the entire world population can fit in Texas"


Hell, it'll fit in NYC if you stack it like cord wood.
 
2020-07-29 11:55:21 AM  
IRestoreFurniture:

I've been assured by top people that overpopulation isn't a thing because "the entire world population can fit in Texas"

But wouldn't that much compression turn the bottom ones into some type of human goo?
 
2020-07-29 12:01:53 PM  
Unless you are a teenager, you
probably read in your high school textbooks that these extinctions were
the result of asteroids. In fact, all but the one that killed the dinosaurs
involved climate change produced by greenhouse gas. The most notorious
was 250 million years ago; it began when carbon dioxide warmed the
planet by five degrees Celsius, accelerated when that warming triggered
the release of methane, another greenhouse gas, and ended with all but a
sliver of life on Earth dead. We are currently adding carbon to the
atmosphere at a considerably faster rate; by most estimates, at least ten
times faster. The rate is one hundred times faster than at any point in
human history before the beginning of industrialization. And there is
already, right now, fully a third more carbon in the atmosphere than at
any point in the last 800,000 years-perhaps in as long as 15 million
years. There were no humans then. The oceans were more than a
hundred feet higher.

PDF
 
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2020-07-29 12:04:49 PM  

whidbey: Evil Mackerel: great_tigers: Stop producing crotch fruit.

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We could drastically reduce the population and our over-consumption would still be the problem, not more people doing it.


The two aren't mutually exclusive, and improving on either would help the situation.
 
2020-07-29 12:10:34 PM  
Forest in Australia tend to lose 5 to 10% of capacity with every burn or logging cycle due to dryer conditions.  The total tonnage of trees per acre is going down and has been for at least 50,000 years.
 
Juc
2020-07-29 12:14:02 PM  
around here when they cut they replant. and the tree line's going further north.

I'm not saying it's good, but the loggers want the trees to exist too, it's not really a zero sum game to look after forests.
 
2020-07-29 12:15:37 PM  

DON.MAC: Forest in Australia tend to lose 5 to 10% of capacity with every burn or logging cycle due to dryer conditions.  The total tonnage of trees per acre is going down and has been for at least 50,000 years.


I think they use the metric system in Australia
 
2020-07-29 12:25:42 PM  

DON.MAC: Forest in Australia tend to lose 5 to 10% of capacity with every burn or logging cycle due to dryer conditions.  The total tonnage of trees per acre is going down and has been for at least 50,000 years.


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2020-07-29 12:27:27 PM  

hej: whidbey: Evil Mackerel: great_tigers: Stop producing crotch fruit.

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We could drastically reduce the population and our over-consumption would still be the problem, not more people doing it.

The two aren't mutually exclusive, and improving on either would help the situation.


It really is about consumption, though.    Fewer people using too many resources isn't a solution, either.
 
2020-07-29 12:27:43 PM  
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2020-07-29 12:33:14 PM  

SanityIsAFullTimeJob: Forestation minimum in the US was around 1920, at 721,000,000 acres. Population : 106,000,000

Forestation now is 766,000,000 acres. Population : 330,000,000

Call me skeptical.


The problem is, US forests only constitute a small fraction of all forests in the world, so the fact we are actually preserving our forests pales in comparison to the outright level of forest destruction going on in other parts of the world, like Brazil.
 
2020-07-29 12:37:16 PM  
Climate alarmist bullshiat like this does nothing to actually help or address the issue.  Likely this "model" or reporting is the ~1%>X chance of occurrence.
 
2020-07-29 12:37:54 PM  

American-Irish eyes: Climate alarmist bullshiat


ok Flat Earther.
 
2020-07-29 12:41:48 PM  

SanityIsAFullTimeJob: Forestation minimum in the US was around 1920, at 721,000,000 acres. Population : 106,000,000

Forestation now is 766,000,000 acres. Population : 330,000,000

Call me skeptical.


It is grasslands and healthy old growth at risk. Current reforestation techniques are unsustainable and potentially economically unviable - we treat the forests like crops and plant monocultures. Prone to disease, fire and pests. See: pine beetle, and the next one coming at you is the spruce beetle.

Grasslands on the other hand need fire to maintain themselves, but Smoky the Bear has done more damage to forests and grasslands than all mining and forestry operations combined. Fire is good and desirable.

Unless you run a logging company. So there we are.

/is a firefighter
//In Canada, but similar problems
///slashies come in threes?
 
2020-07-29 12:41:48 PM  
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2020-07-29 12:46:53 PM  

GhostOfSavageHenry: We conquered the magic, we counted the stars
Deciphered the clockwork, enacted this farce
Devoured by shadows, we cling to the light
Deluded by wisdom, the bringer of night,Now and for always, a perpetual rise
A followed illusion,Your zenith fades into eternity


Rhyme scheme so bad...
 
2020-07-29 12:54:36 PM  

whidbey: 1funguy: I have met quite a few scientists in the past 60 years.
Most of them are shaking their head as we read stories like this.
Nearly none of them deal exclusively in if/then statements without constant update and review (flow chart) thinking.

Relax.

Cool story, Flat Earther.


Well I'll tell you what! I'll just meet you here in 200 years so you can apologize to me. How's that?
 
2020-07-29 12:57:49 PM  

Loreweaver: SanityIsAFullTimeJob: Forestation minimum in the US was around 1920, at 721,000,000 acres. Population : 106,000,000

Forestation now is 766,000,000 acres. Population : 330,000,000

Call me skeptical.

The problem is, US forests only constitute a small fraction of all forests in the world, so the fact we are actually preserving our forests pales in comparison to the outright level of forest destruction going on in other parts of the world, like Brazil.


There's all sorts of forest in Canada and Russia. Population growth in North and South America as well as Eurasia as a whole is projected to be reasonably stable for those areas over the next century. I don't see most of the Northern Hemisphere with significant  deforestation over the next few decades. So even if you see continued loss of forest in South America, it doesn't mean you lose the forests of the Northern Hemisphere.

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2020-07-29 1:06:22 PM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: Scientists say all forests on Earth will be clear cut within 100-200 years.

With a better work ethic it can be done sooner.


With the number of future slums apartments being built around here, a good sized forest was destroyed just for that ..
 
2020-07-29 1:22:07 PM  

whidbey: hej: whidbey: Evil Mackerel: great_tigers: Stop producing crotch fruit.

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We could drastically reduce the population and our over-consumption would still be the problem, not more people doing it.

The two aren't mutually exclusive, and improving on either would help the situation.

It really is about consumption, though.    Fewer people using too many resources isn't a solution, either.


Nature is doing that now with Covid....
 
2020-07-29 1:22:34 PM  

SanityIsAFullTimeJob: Forestation minimum in the US was around 1920, at 721,000,000 acres. Population : 106,000,000

Forestation now is 766,000,000 acres. Population : 330,000,000

Call me skeptical.


Environmentalists long ago abandoned reality and objective facts in favor of pushing fear as a means of gaining control and pushing their nihilistic and misanthropic agenda. Pretty much every breathless prediction of doom and death isn't just wrong, it's spectacularly wrong and unlikely to come true at any point during the next 1000 years.

Which, of course, just makes them even madder.

They can be safely ignored.
 
2020-07-29 1:29:07 PM  

gretzkyscores: Environmentalists long ago abandoned reality and objective facts in favor of pushing fear as a means of gaining control and pushing their nihilistic and misanthropic agenda.


True. I am very tired of living under decades of Green Party rule here in America.
 
2020-07-29 1:33:42 PM  

1funguy: whidbey: 1funguy: I have met quite a few scientists in the past 60 years.
Most of them are shaking their head as we read stories like this.
Nearly none of them deal exclusively in if/then statements without constant update and review (flow chart) thinking.

Relax.

Cool story, Flat Earther.

Well I'll tell you what! I'll just meet you here in 200 years so you can apologize to me. How's that?


Pretty sure the Earth will still be round then.
 
2020-07-29 1:43:50 PM  
All the old growth will be gone and we will just have trees 100-200 years old that we planted after harvesting the wood originally eternal and immortal
 
2020-07-29 1:46:29 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: gretzkyscores: Environmentalists long ago abandoned reality and objective facts in favor of pushing fear as a means of gaining control and pushing their nihilistic and misanthropic agenda.

True. I am very tired of living under decades of Green Party rule here in America.


I can't even mow my lawn without filling in a 27B/6... Bloody paperwork.
 
2020-07-29 2:12:49 PM  
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2020-07-29 2:15:59 PM  

whidbey: 1funguy: whidbey: 1funguy: I have met quite a few scientists in the past 60 years.
Most of them are shaking their head as we read stories like this.
Nearly none of them deal exclusively in if/then statements without constant update and review (flow chart) thinking.

Relax.

Cool story, Flat Earther.

Well I'll tell you what! I'll just meet you here in 200 years so you can apologize to me. How's that?

Pretty sure the Earth will still be round then.


Then it won't take long to find me I'll be right at the top.
 
2020-07-29 2:29:49 PM  
But, when nature gives ya'll a perfect way to reduce the world population a considerable amount, you go crazy trying to stop it and tell people they have to stay home and wear a mask, thereby saving the eldest, most energy intensive population that we would do well to lose post haste.

Nature provided us with an out and we shoved it back in her face.

+1 for nuclear rain. The sooner, the better.
 
2020-07-29 2:30:46 PM  

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So cool.  He has two stylish guns and a dog.

/Why he hasn't eaten the dog yet, nobody knows.
 
2020-07-29 2:34:37 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: gretzkyscores: Environmentalists long ago abandoned reality and objective facts in favor of pushing fear as a means of gaining control and pushing their nihilistic and misanthropic agenda.

True. I am very tired of living under decades of Green Party rule here in America.


That's hysterical. Great satire.
 
2020-07-29 2:37:55 PM  

whitroth: Dusk-You-n-Me: gretzkyscores: Environmentalists long ago abandoned reality and objective facts in favor of pushing fear as a means of gaining control and pushing their nihilistic and misanthropic agenda.

True. I am very tired of living under decades of Green Party rule here in America.

That's hysterical. Great satire.


Thank you. Glad someone got it.
 
2020-07-29 2:56:53 PM  

whidbey: There's a nut in my office who always counters with "trees are a renewable resource"  every time it gets pointed out that clearcutting is bad forest management.


But its not. In fact depending on the species and location its a very good management technique.

Wood is a renewable resource.
 
2020-07-29 3:06:18 PM  

Bandito King: GhostOfSavageHenry: We conquered the magic, we counted the stars
Deciphered the clockwork, enacted this farce
Devoured by shadows, we cling to the light
Deluded by wisdom, the bringer of night,Now and for always, a perpetual rise
A followed illusion,Your zenith fades into eternity

Rhyme scheme so bad...


Die mad about it i guess
 
2020-07-29 3:15:47 PM  
We need to take this nice and easy, guys. Nothing beyond tippytoe increments. This is a slow process that requires 7 or 8 more elections before we should start focusing on the accelerating AGW issue - we've got to focus on home ownership tax credits for the time being.
 
2020-07-29 3:27:34 PM  

1funguy: I have met quite a few scientists in the past 60 years.
Most of them are shaking their head as we read stories like this.
Nearly none of them deal exclusively in if/then statements without constant update and review (flow chart) thinking.

Relax.


I used to teach environmental physics, and we talked about the 2020 end-game for oil production.  This end-game for tree's is pretty much the same thing.  It's an exercise in math, not having much to do with what will actually happen.

On the other hand, I loved the comment about 'we don't need trees to hide from bears or whatever, bears can climb trees anyway, idiots.'  :)
 
2020-07-29 3:36:35 PM  

great_tigers: Stop producing crotch fruit.


Says someone's crotch fruit
 
2020-07-29 3:43:20 PM  

Smoking GNU: MrBallou: Gee, I wonder why.

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Population in red, space for them to live in blue.

Queue some idiot spewing "well you can fit everyone on earth on Ireland so there" or some such BS.


No
We just build TALLER buildings than back in 2000bc
Cmon I thought you all wanted population density

and what the hell else are we supposed to build with , more plastic?

keep replanting and diversify, not just a single species farm  harvest responsibly and use wood
 
2020-07-29 3:44:57 PM  

whidbey: There's a nut in my office who always counters with "trees are a renewable resource"  every time it gets pointed out that clearcutting is bad forest management.


O hey
See my post above and tell your  coworker hi
 
2020-07-29 3:47:52 PM  

rcain: There's been many studies that have concluded the collapse of civilization due to climate change, sea level rise, drought and famine leading to mass migration and the deaths of hundreds of millions, if not billions of people

The Pentagon concluded the time frame for this being between 2020 and 2040 back in the early 70s. Other similar studies have all stated essentially the same thing. Our climate models have predicted this for nearly 50 years

Yet we have chosen to put our heads ever deeper up our ass and do nothing meaningful about this while focused on celebrity worship and mass consumerism

We deserve a mass die off, it needs to happen. Best thing is not to have children, because you are only handing them a death sentence. Those still alive, those who survive will breed all on their own and will be able to teach their children the skills needed to survive in their harsh, brutal world


fark is not your personal erotica site
 
2020-07-29 4:16:41 PM  

mikefinch: whidbey: There's a nut in my office who always counters with "trees are a renewable resource"  every time it gets pointed out that clearcutting is bad forest management.

But its not. In fact depending on the species and location its a very good management technique.

Wood is a renewable resource.


Source:  The Good Ol' Boys Lumbermen Assoc of 'Murica.
 
2020-07-29 4:33:30 PM  
God that was depressing...and I didn't even understand most of the math.
 
2020-07-29 4:50:49 PM  

aungen: 1funguy: I have met quite a few scientists in the past 60 years.
Most of them are shaking their head as we read stories like this.
Nearly none of them deal exclusively in if/then statements without constant update and review (flow chart) thinking.

Relax.

I used to teach environmental physics, and we talked about the 2020 end-game for oil production.  This end-game for tree's is pretty much the same thing.  It's an exercise in math, not having much to do with what will actually happen.

On the other hand, I loved the comment about 'we don't need trees to hide from bears or whatever, bears can climb trees anyway, idiots.'  :)


Thank you.
I'm not a flat earthier, evidently that's seems to be a thing here.
Although, if we were climbing trees to avoid bears...flat earth era would have a considerably easier time of it, as us round earthers would also expend a considerable amount of energy climbing the curvature of the earth before we even got around to climbing the actual tree.
 
2020-07-29 5:09:09 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: gretzkyscores: Environmentalists long ago abandoned reality and objective facts in favor of pushing fear as a means of gaining control and pushing their nihilistic and misanthropic agenda.

True. I am very tired of living under decades of Green Party rule here in America.


The reason they never made much headway is because they exactly did what Gretzky says. The environmental movement got hijacked by its extremists. They held back nuclear and let us keep burning fossil fuels for another 40 years longer than we should have.

They promote and condone terrorist acts. They pretend that neither water nor wood are reusable resources. They keep quoting Malthusian doomsaying bullshiat because they don't know the difference between a model and data.
 
2020-07-29 5:17:57 PM  

Guildmaster: They promote and condone terrorist acts.


They who? This ain't the '70s.

If you're concerned about terror, I think the leader of the free world labeling climate change a hoax, doubling down on coal, gutting the EPA allowing corps to further pollute our air and water, while refusing to take any action whatsoever in a scenario where ever single day that we don't ensures the suffering and death of millions of people not only in his country but all over the world -- more harm than any single terrorist group could dream of inflicting -- is itself pretty damn terrifying.
 
2020-07-29 5:27:19 PM  

Guildmaster: They promote and condone terrorist acts. They pretend that neither water nor wood are reusable resources. They keep quoting Malthusian doomsaying bullshiat because they don't know the difference between a model and data.


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2020-07-29 5:47:39 PM  

whidbey: mikefinch: whidbey: There's a nut in my office who always counters with "trees are a renewable resource"  every time it gets pointed out that clearcutting is bad forest management.

But its not. In fact depending on the species and location its a very good management technique.

Wood is a renewable resource.

Source:  The Good Ol' Boys Lumbermen Assoc of 'Murica.


Uh, you must be joking. Cultivated lumber forestry is one of the main uses of land in the USA. You think the Koch brothers would be in forestry if it wasn't a lucrative business?

PS. The reason why US homes are mainly built of lumber is the same reason homes in China are mainly framed with steel. When a resource is plentiful and available, it makes sense to use it in housing.
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2020-07-29 6:26:21 PM  

rcain: inner ted: rcain: There's been many studies that have concluded the collapse of civilization due to climate change, sea level rise, drought and famine leading to mass migration and the deaths of hundreds of millions, if not billions of people

The Pentagon concluded the time frame for this being between 2020 and 2040 back in the early 70s. Other similar studies have all stated essentially the same thing. Our climate models have predicted this for nearly 50 years

Yet we have chosen to put our heads ever deeper up our ass and do nothing meaningful about this while focused on celebrity worship and mass consumerism

We deserve a mass die off, it needs to happen. Best thing is not to have children, because you are only handing them a death sentence. Those still alive, those who survive will breed all on their own and will be able to teach their children the skills needed to survive in their harsh, brutal world

fark is not your personal erotica site

Maybe you're a sick faker that gets off on that

I for one am nothing short of outraged, saddened and disgusted by humanity - especially American Capitalism that puts profits before lives

It's nothing short of insanity that we refuse to operate our society in a sustainable, forward thinking manner and instead insist on driving our civilization and way of life over a cliff and risk creating an extinction level event for the sake of short term profits today, throwing away our future but also the profits to be had in the future. Just so a handful of people can get richer quicker

Seeing how insane we are as a specie, perhaps it's for the best that not only civilization ends - which can be rebuilt, but humanity ends as well, so that in time another specie may raise to dominance. And seeing how much more evolved than the dinosaur, maybe the next apex specie will not be farking insane murder monkeys


I think individual greed is the term you are looking for... capitalism is not the problem... the abuse of it is.  I deal with many companies that have fair and reasonable prices for their wares... for those that are greedy, I either find a substitute for what I need or replace their product with something else..
That individual greed has brought us to the brink, and it is a work in progress.. we had a working plan, but too many of us abandoned it.. The USA is not sustainable in it,s present form.   Won't be a race war, though people are trying to make it one.. those who fan the flames will go down with the rest of us, they don't know it yet.  I have it down to 2030-2035, though it could blow up within the year, if certain factions continue poking the bear...
 
2020-07-29 6:55:30 PM  
good sci-fi book.  cut down trees fight back with monsters.
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2020-07-29 7:28:23 PM  

wax_on: Oh I bet it will be sooner than that. Most tree growing areas have been logged 2-3 times in the last 200 years. Somehow we still have lots of trees.


Clear cutting is bad in many ways.Yes, you can replant them, and make trees on farms, or just replant them. But every time you clear cut (the easiest and cheapest way to harvest wood) you screw up the top cover for soil for at least 1 year. Soil takes 500 to 1000 years for an inch. If you clear cut the entire world every harvest cycle of 20 years, you could conceivably lose all the soil before that 1 inch would recover.
 
2020-07-29 7:37:31 PM  

whidbey: mikefinch: whidbey: There's a nut in my office who always counters with "trees are a renewable resource"  every time it gets pointed out that clearcutting is bad forest management.

But its not. In fact depending on the species and location its a very good management technique.

Wood is a renewable resource.

Source:  The Good Ol' Boys Lumbermen Assoc of 'Murica.


If we were to plant like crops in open fields and not chop down old growth anymore it's feasible. We still need to think not just stustainably but either recycling or getting away from our disposable culture.

People think I'm weird for preferring to repair rather than toss and replace household items, and yes, it comes from growing up poor. But, if more people lived that way and we built things to last as well, we'd be on a better path.
 
2020-07-29 8:59:28 PM  

rcain: OlderGuy: rcain: inner ted: rcain: There's been many studies that have concluded the collapse of civilization due to climate change, sea level rise, drought and famine leading to mass migration and the deaths of hundreds of millions, if not billions of people

The Pentagon concluded the time frame for this being between 2020 and 2040 back in the early 70s. Other similar studies have all stated essentially the same thing. Our climate models have predicted this for nearly 50 years

Yet we have chosen to put our heads ever deeper up our ass and do nothing meaningful about this while focused on celebrity worship and mass consumerism

We deserve a mass die off, it needs to happen. Best thing is not to have children, because you are only handing them a death sentence. Those still alive, those who survive will breed all on their own and will be able to teach their children the skills needed to survive in their harsh, brutal world

fark is not your personal erotica site

Maybe you're a sick faker that gets off on that

I for one am nothing short of outraged, saddened and disgusted by humanity - especially American Capitalism that puts profits before lives

It's nothing short of insanity that we refuse to operate our society in a sustainable, forward thinking manner and instead insist on driving our civilization and way of life over a cliff and risk creating an extinction level event for the sake of short term profits today, throwing away our future but also the profits to be had in the future. Just so a handful of people can get richer quicker

Seeing how insane we are as a specie, perhaps it's for the best that not only civilization ends - which can be rebuilt, but humanity ends as well, so that in time another specie may raise to dominance. And seeing how much more evolved than the dinosaur, maybe the next apex specie will not be farking insane murder monkeys

I think individual greed is the term you are looking for... capitalism is not the problem... the abuse of it is.  ...


I was referring to capitalism here in America, and IMO, your assessment is pretty accurate.  The majority of the government, including most of Congress, is corrupt as hell... lots of fingers in that pie..  can't blame Trump on this one, as he is pretty much the sole person trying to bust up their gravy train..  America is taking itself out.. whoever gets our nukes will probably initiate the 'clean house' process.  Nature will do the rest.
 
2020-07-29 9:03:25 PM  

OlderGuy: can't blame Trump on this one, as he is pretty much the sole person trying to bust up their gravy train


On what f*cking planet do you live
 
2020-07-29 10:03:34 PM  

1funguy: aungen: 1funguy: I have met quite a few scientists in the past 60 years.
Most of them are shaking their head as we read stories like this.
Nearly none of them deal exclusively in if/then statements without constant update and review (flow chart) thinking.

Relax.

I used to teach environmental physics, and we talked about the 2020 end-game for oil production.  This end-game for tree's is pretty much the same thing.  It's an exercise in math, not having much to do with what will actually happen.

On the other hand, I loved the comment about 'we don't need trees to hide from bears or whatever, bears can climb trees anyway, idiots.'  :)

Thank you.
I'm not a flat earthier, evidently that's seems to be a thing here.
Although, if we were climbing trees to avoid bears...flat earth era would have a considerably easier time of it, as us round earthers would also expend a considerable amount of energy climbing the curvature of the earth before we even got around to climbing the actual tree.


u r 1 fun guy!
 
2020-07-29 10:26:09 PM  

AppleOptionEsc: wax_on: Oh I bet it will be sooner than that. Most tree growing areas have been logged 2-3 times in the last 200 years. Somehow we still have lots of trees.

Clear cutting is bad in many ways.Yes, you can replant them, and make trees on farms, or just replant them. But every time you clear cut (the easiest and cheapest way to harvest wood) you screw up the top cover for soil for at least 1 year. Soil takes 500 to 1000 years for an inch. If you clear cut the entire world every harvest cycle of 20 years, you could conceivably lose all the soil before that 1 inch would recover.


Trees dont grow quite that fast. More like 50 to 100 years. Also - lots of commercial timber comes from fire species. When fires burn in nature they also destroy the topsoil. Clear cutting disturbs the ground yes. But good management practices try to minimize that damage. 

Caveat: This is only if good stewardship of the land is occurring. Foresty needs to be monitored and regulated. Like every other industry on earth. When a country decimates its ecosystems to make a quick buck its doesnt mean that the timber industry is evil. Unchecked capitalism makes a mess of any industry and all shared resources.
 
2020-07-29 10:29:13 PM  

aungen: 1funguy: aungen: 1funguy: I have met quite a few scientists in the past 60 years.
Most of them are shaking their head as we read stories like this.
Nearly none of them deal exclusively in if/then statements without constant update and review (flow chart) thinking.

Relax.

I used to teach environmental physics, and we talked about the 2020 end-game for oil production.  This end-game for tree's is pretty much the same thing.  It's an exercise in math, not having much to do with what will actually happen.

On the other hand, I loved the comment about 'we don't need trees to hide from bears or whatever, bears can climb trees anyway, idiots.'  :)

Thank you.
I'm not a flat earthier, evidently that's seems to be a thing here.
Although, if we were climbing trees to avoid bears...flat earth era would have a considerably easier time of it, as us round earthers would also expend a considerable amount of energy climbing the curvature of the earth before we even got around to climbing the actual tree.

u r 1 fun guy!


Awww...
You're gonna make me blush...
 
2020-07-29 10:53:09 PM  

snoopy2zero: maxandgrinch: Chatter on the Wood Wide Web is frightening, the trees will be fighting back any day now.  Some rogue trees took out a power line inspection helicopter in NorCal about a month ago.

Cool book if you have nothing else to do or are just a curious person.

Thanks for the suggestion, I just ordered a copy.


Cool!  I just put my copy closer to the top of the reread stack.
 
2020-07-29 11:09:15 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: OlderGuy: can't blame Trump on this one, as he is pretty much the sole person trying to bust up their gravy train

On what f*cking planet do you live


Same one that you do...  maybe consider that the majority of the government has trying to pull off a coup on him  since before he was elected..  that gravy train.  And we pay for it.
 
2020-07-30 6:37:24 AM  
AT THE CURRENT RATE.

Has anyone ever looked down when flying over northern Canada or Newfoundland. And imagined putting a road there simply to cut wood?  In 50 years the cost of the fuel to retrieve the wood will be greater than the cost of synthetics made from faster growing sources of cellulose.
 
Juc
2020-07-30 11:10:48 AM  

Nocrash: AT THE CURRENT RATE.

Has anyone ever looked down when flying over northern Canada or Newfoundland. And imagined putting a road there simply to cut wood?  In 50 years the cost of the fuel to retrieve the wood will be greater than the cost of synthetics made from faster growing sources of cellulose.


bamboo is pretty pimp as a building material too.
 
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