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2020-07-28 7:31:07 AM  
Any semblance of a "real" GOP has been dead since the Nixon administration, which is when the Republicans decided that holding power was more important than holding principles, and the first step on a long road that ended up here, with a party so convinced that only it is fit to govern, it considers any tactic acceptable in the pursuit of that aim.
 
2020-07-28 7:47:50 AM  

HugeMistake: Any semblance of a "real" GOP has been dead since the Nixon administration, which is when the Republicans decided that holding power was more important than holding principles, and the first step on a long road that ended up here, with a party so convinced that only it is fit to govern, it considers any tactic acceptable in the pursuit of that aim.



That.
 
2020-07-28 7:50:22 AM  
And there was an article the other day about Jared Kushner not allowing any RNC funds to be distributed to downstream Republican candidates. It's almost as if Trump is deliberately trying to gut the Republican Party like a spasming trout.

Theories:

- he is actually working for the Clintons (remember that picture of all of them yucking it up?).

- he simply doesn't care, didn't want to win in the first place, and - like an ancient Chinese Emperor - wants to take it all down with him,

- a smoldering ruined dumpster of a Republican Party is Putin's strategy for kicking off Civil War Two Boogaloo.

- its just blind narcissism and stupidity all the way down.
 
2020-07-28 7:57:06 AM  
"Look ahead to 2024 to take back the real GOP party"

But first they have to ask the MSM media for the PIN number for the ATM machine.
 
2020-07-28 9:53:03 AM  
Second verse same as the first.
 
2020-07-28 10:17:16 AM  
I mean, not for nothing, but is it worthwhile for anyone to look ahead until redistricting is done?  Which I would say is nearly as important as knocking out Trump.  If Democrats can actually manage to win big in a redistricting year we can probably really course correct on the viability of far right candidates in the house.
 
2020-07-28 10:17:43 AM  

Harlee: And there was an article the other day about Jared Kushner not allowing any RNC funds to be distributed to downstream Republican candidates. It's almost as if Trump is deliberately trying to gut the Republican Party like a spasming trout.

Theories:

- he is actually working for the Clintons (remember that picture of all of them yucking it up?).

- he simply doesn't care, didn't want to win in the first place, and - like an ancient Chinese Emperor - wants to take it all down with him,

- a smoldering ruined dumpster of a Republican Party is Putin's strategy for kicking off Civil War Two Boogaloo.

- its just blind narcissism and stupidity all the way down.


D. It's always D.
 
2020-07-28 10:17:57 AM  
They need to spend 40 years in the wilderness, self-reflecting first.

/ Knows that won't happen.
 
2020-07-28 10:18:06 AM  

HugeMistake: Any semblance of a "real" GOP has been dead since the Nixon administration, which is when the Republicans decided that holding power was more important than holding principles, and the first step on a long road that ended up here, with a party so convinced that only it is fit to govern, it considers any tactic acceptable in the pursuit of that aim.


Yep. The "dissidents" are just mad they don't get to ride the tiger.
 
2020-07-28 10:19:04 AM  
Is it wrong of me to hope that Donny shiats the GOP bed for 2024 too...
 
2020-07-28 10:19:28 AM  
There is no "real" Republican party anymore. If the Democrats have any sense at all, then once they pry your Cryptkeeper like hands off the levers of power, they will put their boots on your collective necks and keep them there for the next 50 years. Because that's what scorched-earth take-no-prisoners "compromise" looks like.
 
2020-07-28 10:19:44 AM  
It will take longer than 4 years to wash out that stain.
 
2020-07-28 10:20:51 AM  

Harlee: And there was an article the other day about Jared Kushner not allowing any RNC funds to be distributed to downstream Republican candidates. It's almost as if Trump is deliberately trying to gut the Republican Party like a spasming trout.

Theories:

- he is actually working for the Clintons (remember that picture of all of them yucking it up?).

- he simply doesn't care, didn't want to win in the first place, and - like an ancient Chinese Emperor - wants to take it all down with him,

- a smoldering ruined dumpster of a Republican Party is Putin's strategy for kicking off Civil War Two Boogaloo.

- its just blind narcissism and stupidity all the way down.


Well.  He said he was gonna drain the swamp.  He's just keeping his promise.
 
2020-07-28 10:21:01 AM  

HairBolus: It will take longer than 4 years to wash out that stain.


The stench will out live that
 
2020-07-28 10:21:05 AM  
There is a massive 3rd party constituency that is completely disenfranchised and being held hostage by the duopoly.
 
2020-07-28 10:22:11 AM  
Project Lincoln guys take a lot of flak for their previous work (And deservedly so), but at least they are publicly putting themselves out there.  This article is about people trying to time their jump, and unwilling to be public about it.
 
2020-07-28 10:23:09 AM  
It could work. Biden is going to have to go through some things to clean up the messes Trump is leaving him. The economy will be collapsed. Spending will be out of control The Trump virus will be out of control. A bunch of necessary stuff will be rolled back. Federal agencies will be completely infested with incompetent grifting Trumpers instead of experts. A lot of what Biden will have to do will be unpopular and will take quite some time. People are dumb and expect an immediate fix. Republicans might have a chance if there are any left that don't have Trump stink on them.
 
2020-07-28 10:24:08 AM  

HugeMistake: Any semblance of a "real" GOP has been dead since the Nixon administration, which is when the Republicans decided that holding power was more important than holding principles, and the first step on a long road that ended up here, with a party so convinced that only it is fit to govern, it considers any tactic acceptable in the pursuit of that aim.


And we're done here.  Trump IS the Republican party, distilled to its purest essence.  Greed, racism, dog whistles and style over substance.
 
2020-07-28 10:25:30 AM  

KarmicDisaster: It could work. Biden is going to have to go through some things to clean up the messes Trump is leaving him. The economy will be collapsed. Spending will be out of control The Trump virus will be out of control. A bunch of necessary stuff will be rolled back. Federal agencies will be completely infested with incompetent grifting Trumpers instead of experts. A lot of what Biden will have to do will be unpopular and will take quite some time. People are dumb and expect an immediate fix. Republicans might have a chance if there are any left that don't have Trump stink on them.


Hell he could lose on purpose and sit back and watch the economy collapse, because it's going to no matter what...and then run again in 2024 and be like "see I told you Biden would ruin everything" and win.
 
2020-07-28 10:26:11 AM  
The liberal main stream media isn't going to let Biden win. Trump dominating news everyday is too profitable.
 
2020-07-28 10:26:27 AM  

Subtonic: Harlee: And there was an article the other day about Jared Kushner not allowing any RNC funds to be distributed to downstream Republican candidates. It's almost as if Trump is deliberately trying to gut the Republican Party like a spasming trout.

Theories:

- he is actually working for the Clintons (remember that picture of all of them yucking it up?).

- he simply doesn't care, didn't want to win in the first place, and - like an ancient Chinese Emperor - wants to take it all down with him,

- a smoldering ruined dumpster of a Republican Party is Putin's strategy for kicking off Civil War Two Boogaloo.

- its just blind narcissism and stupidity all the way down.

D. It's always D.


In Trumₚs case I think you mean d.
 
2020-07-28 10:26:29 AM  
Y'all haven't funded education in 75 years. This is your party now. Embrace the stupid.
 
2020-07-28 10:26:46 AM  

SamFlagg: I mean, not for nothing, but is it worthwhile for anyone to look ahead until redistricting is done?  Which I would say is nearly as important as knocking out Trump.  If Democrats can actually manage to win big in a redistricting year we can probably really course correct on the viability of far right candidates in the house.


Redistricting doesn't happen until the 2022 midterms.  The 2020 elections are based on the 2010 census numbers.
 
2020-07-28 10:26:47 AM  

HugeMistake: Any semblance of a "real" GOP has been dead since the Nixon administration, which is when the Republicans decided that holding power was more important than holding principles, and the first step on a long road that ended up here, with a party so convinced that only it is fit to govern rule, it considers any tactic acceptable in the pursuit of that aim.


Minor fix, but well said otherwise. Republicans haven't given a shiat about governing since at least Nixon.

Once they gathered all the racist or dominionist "crush the Other" types under their big tent, the idea of governing fairly and justly lost its appeal.
 
2020-07-28 10:27:32 AM  
Right after they got to the ATM machine and get money out with their pin number. Maybe they're going to buy an LCD display and take it home in their SUV vehicle.
 
2020-07-28 10:30:31 AM  

HugeMistake: Any semblance of a "real" GOP has been dead since the Nixon administration, which is when the Republicans decided that holding power was more important than holding principles, and the first step on a long road that ended up here, with a party so convinced that only it is fit to govern, it considers any tactic acceptable in the pursuit of that aim.


Well, considering that there is a pretty massive gap in policy and ideology between extremes and even on a "side" of an issue, I don't care what you call it but you will always have varying views and dissention. Having another party solves for that. Let's say hypothetically the Republican Party disband, almost 100% a new and reformed party would emerge in its place, it has to.

The sad fact is that a 2 Party system isn't enough in it's current state. The Democratic Party is rife with conflict and is in danger of being fragmented suffering the same fate as the GOP (see Bern bros vs. Establishment). The only thing worse than being a Republican is being a Moderate in the eyes of Farkocrats. What do you expect to happen to a large voting block that is shunned? They are either disenfranchised and don't vote, or are forced to "the other side".
 
2020-07-28 10:31:30 AM  
If you give the GOP its long-deserved reckoning, that won't happen.

/but comity! bipartisanship! decorum!
 
2020-07-28 10:31:49 AM  
Trump is the real GOP.  The real GOP is a bunch of old racists lashing out at everything different and lying to everyone including themselves while accusing others of the corruption they embrace.
 
2020-07-28 10:32:05 AM  
Trump IS the GOP. He is the culmination of what they've become.  There is no going back without damning themselves to several decades out of power, which they deserve, but will never allow to happen.

When Trump panders to the base, who is he pandering to these days?  Billionaires are a given, then white supremacists and idiots.  That's the party.  They don't stand for anything except tax cuts for the rich.  Everything else is anti-something. Anti-government, anti-immigrant, anti-abortion, anti-civil-rights, anti-democracy, etc.

They may steal one or two more elections, but unless they succeed in a fascist takeover, they are well and truly farked, especially in another 4 or 8 years of demographic changes.
 
2020-07-28 10:32:09 AM  

HugeMistake: Any semblance of a "real" GOP has been dead since the Nixon administration, which is when the Republicans decided that holding power was more important than holding principles, and the first step on a long road that ended up here, with a party so convinced that only it is fit to govern, it considers any tactic acceptable in the pursuit of that aim.


Then the great whore Reagan embraced the people that even AuH2O warned the party about: religious nutbars. That was the final nail in the GOP being able to be an effective governing party, or even a real opposition party. The inability to compromise destroyed any semblance of sanity that remained after the Dixiecrats abandoned the Democratic Party and joined the Republicans. That was, effectively, the day they became the Rethuglican Party.
 
2020-07-28 10:32:13 AM  

LovesToSpooge: The liberal main stream media isn't going to let Biden win. Trump dominating news everyday is too profitable.


Counterpoint: the inevitable domestic terrorism that's going to ooze from the right will offer plenty of juicy clickbait, possibly daily.
 
2020-07-28 10:35:04 AM  

Lochsteppe: Minor fix, but well said otherwise. Republicans haven't given a shiat about governing since at least Nixon


Pres. H. W. Bush was concerned about governing which is why the rest of the party didn't care for him.
 
2020-07-28 10:36:29 AM  
I would think Republicans would be relieved. The only tools in their toolbox are obstruction and whining. They need a Democratic president or they have to pretend to try to do real work.
 
2020-07-28 10:36:44 AM  

KarmicDisaster: Federal agencies will be completely infested with incompetent grifting Trumpers instead of experts.


Really?

Most Presidential appointees can be sacked by the POTUS at pretty much any time.  Biden could fire virtually every Trump-appointed Federal agency administrator or director.

He can't undo Judge appointments, and very some specific things like FCC Commissioners that are on fixed terms, but the vast bulk of Trump sycophants in the Executive Branch can literally be purged on Day 1, especially if he's already got a list of replacements lined up.
 
2020-07-28 10:37:28 AM  

iheartscotch: Is it wrong of me to hope that Donny shiats the GOP bed for 2024 too...


I hope the same thing.  I fully expect him to announce his campaign for the 2024 election so he'll be around fouling up the Republican Party top to bottom for four years, so he can get that sweet grift.
 
2020-07-28 10:45:36 AM  
That stain isn't going to come out.
 
2020-07-28 10:45:38 AM  
Let's rephrase that a bit.  Republicans "dissidents" aren't all of sudden ready to "let Biden win".  They are being forced to accept the reality that Biden is going to win.  The idiot Republicans will go down with the ship.  The more cunning ones, so-called "dissidents", are planning how to survive the next four years and formulating which lies and attack vectors will work best in 2022 and 2024.
 
2020-07-28 10:49:37 AM  

Persnickety: Let's rephrase that a bit.  Republicans "dissidents" aren't all of sudden ready to "let Biden win".  They are being forced to accept the reality that Biden is going to win.  The idiot Republicans will go down with the ship.  The more cunning ones, so-called "dissidents", are planning how to survive the next four years and formulating which lies and attack vectors will work best in 2022 and 2024.


Oh, plenty of them want Biden to win. They'll promptly turn on him after inauguration, but they still want him to win. Why? Trump is damaging the brand they built. No patriotism or anything like that, nothing about the American people, they just don't want their brand damages anymore than it already is today.
 
2020-07-28 10:54:30 AM  
Trump's "win" in 2016 was pretty much the GOP's nightmare scenario.  They counting on a Clinton presidency with them hold Congress so they could have a scapegoat.  That cost them the House.
 
2020-07-28 10:58:00 AM  

HairBolus: It will take longer than 4 years to wash out that stain.


No matter how badly Trump loses, the 2022 and 2024 Republican primaries are still going to be a fight over who is most loyal to Trump's "vision". His followers won't allow anything else.

It's possible they'll turn on him like they did Bush after he cost them two elections, but even Bush never managed to build the cult of personality Trump enjoys.
 
2020-07-28 10:59:23 AM  

Geotpf: SamFlagg: I mean, not for nothing, but is it worthwhile for anyone to look ahead until redistricting is done?  Which I would say is nearly as important as knocking out Trump.  If Democrats can actually manage to win big in a redistricting year we can probably really course correct on the viability of far right candidates in the house.

Redistricting doesn't happen until the 2022 midterms.  The 2020 elections are based on the 2010 census numbers.


Unless I'm misunderstanding the process, don't you have to win in 2020 to be in charge of redistricting for 2022?  Or are you saying the people elected in 2022 will do the redistricting with the numbers for 2020?
 
2020-07-28 10:59:47 AM  
I'm one of the people voting for Biden that never, ever votes democrat. I have no idea what was going on but all I can imagine is that the drugs must have been REALLY good back in 2016 to elect that walking train wreck.

Anyways it doesn't matter. Things will ebb and flow just like they always will. Biden gets elected, dems perhaps pull the senate back. Two years later there's a large republican mid term win just like there always is for the non presidential party in mid terms. In 2024 if Joe is still alive and the wuhan hasn't knocked off enough voters he gets reelected... or not.

Persnickety: Let's rephrase that a bit.  Republicans "dissidents" aren't all of sudden ready to "let Biden win".  They are being forced to accept the reality that Biden is going to win.


And no, no one is being forced to accept Biden winning... we're more scared of bozo getting reelected and REALLY F'ing things up. Plus I don't want to have to go through another 4 years of non stop trump news the media pushes out to enflame the dems for ratings. Seriously if all you ever listened to were the democrats you'd of thought the end of the world already happened. It must be exhausting being that angry all the time.

Anyways I'm fine with Biden winning but he's a career politician just like the rest of them. People need other people to be prejudiced against and its better to hate via politics than race.
 
2020-07-28 11:01:12 AM  

Harlee: And there was an article the other day about Jared Kushner not allowing any RNC funds to be distributed to downstream Republican candidates. It's almost as if Trump is deliberately trying to gut the Republican Party like a spasming trout.

Theories:

- he is actually working for the Clintons (remember that picture of all of them yucking it up?).

- he simply doesn't care, didn't want to win in the first place, and - like an ancient Chinese Emperor - wants to take it all down with him,

- a smoldering ruined dumpster of a Republican Party is Putin's strategy for kicking off Civil War Two Boogaloo.

- its just blind narcissism and stupidity all the way down.


None of the above. He's a grifter and is happy to steal money from anyone that's willing to foolishly put it within arms reach of him, or his mentally deficient crotch fruit. He has no loyalty to any person or group, his loyalty is to his personal wealth.
 
2020-07-28 11:05:57 AM  

SamFlagg: Unless I'm misunderstanding the process, don't you have to win in 2020 to be in charge of redistricting for 2022?


Yes. 2020 will be the final year of the 2010 maps. New maps will be drawn by the 2020 winners to be used for the 2022-2030 elections.
 
2020-07-28 11:24:21 AM  

Catlenfell: Trump's "win" in 2016 was pretty much the GOP's nightmare scenario.  They counting on a Clinton presidency with them hold Congress so they could have a scapegoat.  That cost them the House.


I'm sure getting hundreds of unqualified, 32 year old Jesus Freak Federal Judges for Life made up for that disappointment. Now they get to f*ck up American jurisprudence for decades.
 
2020-07-28 11:26:31 AM  

Copperbelly watersnake: HairBolus: It will take longer than 4 years to wash out that stain.

No matter how badly Trump loses, the 2022 and 2024 Republican primaries are still going to be a fight over who is most loyal to Trump's "vision". His followers won't allow anything else.

It's possible they'll turn on him like they did Bush after he cost them two elections, but even Bush never managed to build the cult of personality Trump enjoys.


I don't think it's a matter of Republicans turning on Trump.  They're just not going to be thinking about him at all because he isn't going to be in news everyday doing something outrageous.  Trump will join Bush down at the bottom of the Memory Hole.  Some new screaming moron will rise to take his place.
 
2020-07-28 11:37:10 AM  

tfresh: I'm one of the people voting for Biden that never, ever votes democrat.

So you either voted for Trump or pulled some other cowardly Republican sh*t like writing in "Ronald Reagan." Good for you.


tfresh:I don't want to have to go through another 4 years of non stop trump news the media pushes out to enflame the dems for ratings.

Yeah, because that's what's been happening for 3 1/2 years: the "media" has been making Trump look bad to "...enflame the dems for ratings."You're so goddamn smart it must hurt sometimes.

tfresh: Anyways I'm fine with Biden winning

No one cares whether you're "fine" with it or not.
 
2020-07-28 11:47:13 AM  
Yes Washington Examiner we are all aware of the Lincoln Project.
 
2020-07-28 11:51:51 AM  

Invisible Obama: KarmicDisaster: Federal agencies will be completely infested with incompetent grifting Trumpers instead of experts.

Really?

Most Presidential appointees can be sacked by the POTUS at pretty much any time.  Biden could fire virtually every Trump-appointed Federal agency administrator or director.


That is what he is going to have to do, but a lot of most of the old people, scientists and experts, either retired or found other jobs so my point is that it will take time to get back up to speed and get back to using facts and science instead of Trump whims.
 
2020-07-28 12:12:26 PM  
Look ahead to 2024 when Democrats will call Republicans racists who want to pollute the environment and kill your grandmother, just like they do every four years.
 
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