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2020-07-24 5:58:50 PM  
True subby. I'm certainly not going to click that link and read the article. Hell, I'm not even going to leave a comment.
 
2020-07-24 6:32:35 PM  
Actually, I disagree to a degree, Smitty.

Currently, the DHS has in place leads who are authoritarian jackasses who have been given all the lead that they can handle to be exactly who they were, and rewarded by the current Administration for being exactly why they were put in charge in the first place.

What we can do is put into place an Executive that will fire the thugs and white power motherf*ckers, and that includes in ICE as well. And with a mandate to KEEP these motherf*ckers out, because that sh*t doesn't fly.

Save, with this Administration it does. And they've removed folks who disagree with their new policy mandates and leadership. Both agencies are right now led by cartoon villains who are chewing up the damn scenery while they whisper into their coffee, as it grows cold and black, the tales of horrors that they will inflict on all those who wronged them. Much like the Department of Education. HUD. And how many OTHER agencies right now, including the FBI, State Department, and certainly how many folks over in Justice?

You want to see change? Then change the damn leadership. Demand accountability. And for damn sure, don't vote for folks who you KNOW are going to empower white power motherf*ckers and Dominists who hate anything remotely looks like freedom or equality. And by "leadership" that means the Executive.

All these asshats did was take their cues from their leadership, and fulfilled the mandate that they were given BY the Executive Branch. We don't have to defund them, we have to change their leadership, and as an electorate, we NEED to pay the f*ck attention when fascists come knocking on the door and saying to ourselves, "But they said Candygram!"

You want better? Then vote. And keep voting. And disempower the folks who caused this mess. And keep a Gottverdammt eye on them, and don't forget by midterms...but keep your damn eyes on the ball. Stop expecting someone else to clean this sh*t up. Get involved. Stay involved. Keep at it. AND STOP LISTENING TO F*CKING AGITPROP AND F*CKING TROLLFARMS YOU F*CKING GOLDFISH!
 
2020-07-24 6:46:31 PM  
Well, we've certainly defeated the foreign terrorists. They're reduced to collecting tips for taking pot shots at our soldiers.

Now we have an argument going whether moms with signs or thug police are the domestic terrorists.
 
2020-07-24 7:10:22 PM  
We've needed something like $3 trillion in new spending in 2 months, and people are wondering why we're starting to look at bloated paramilitary budgets for places to cut?
 
2020-07-24 7:14:29 PM  
Defund? No. ABOLISH.
 
2020-07-24 7:17:29 PM  
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2020-07-24 7:18:58 PM  

hubiestubert: Actually, I disagree to a degree, Smitty.

Currently, the DHS has in place leads who are authoritarian jackasses who have been given all the lead that they can handle to be exactly who they were, and rewarded by the current Administration for being exactly why they were put in charge in the first place.

What we can do is put into place an Executive that will fire the thugs and white power motherf*ckers, and that includes in ICE as well. And with a mandate to KEEP these motherf*ckers out, because that sh*t doesn't fly.

Save, with this Administration it does. And they've removed folks who disagree with their new policy mandates and leadership. Both agencies are right now led by cartoon villains who are chewing up the damn scenery while they whisper into their coffee, as it grows cold and black, the tales of horrors that they will inflict on all those who wronged them. Much like the Department of Education. HUD. And how many OTHER agencies right now, including the FBI, State Department, and certainly how many folks over in Justice?

You want to see change? Then change the damn leadership. Demand accountability. And for damn sure, don't vote for folks who you KNOW are going to empower white power motherf*ckers and Dominists who hate anything remotely looks like freedom or equality. And by "leadership" that means the Executive.

All these asshats did was take their cues from their leadership, and fulfilled the mandate that they were given BY the Executive Branch. We don't have to defund them, we have to change their leadership, and as an electorate, we NEED to pay the f*ck attention when fascists come knocking on the door and saying to ourselves, "But they said Candygram!"

You want better? Then vote. And keep voting. And disempower the folks who caused this mess. And keep a Gottverdammt eye on them, and don't forget by midterms...but keep your damn eyes on the ball. Stop expecting someone else to clean this sh*t up. Get involved. Stay involved. Keep at it. AND STOP LI ...


The DHS is like the CIA and FBI: they were born in a racist view of the world, one that is meager and extremely reduced in its applicability other than in a narrow channel of supremacy. The FBI was this way even before Hoover, birthed from the labor-destroying and hating Pinkertons, and made even worse by Hoover.

It's remarkably difficult, if not outright impossible, to transform these constructions on the fly. They certainly haven't altered terribly much from their inception. I'd support ridding ourselves of the DHS and CIA and even the FBI. They need to be razed and started over.
 
2020-07-24 7:24:06 PM  
I concur with Subby
 
2020-07-24 7:24:19 PM  
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"I do not dispute that in the wrong hands..."

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"'In the wrong hands'? Would you mind telling me whose are the right hands, my logical friend?"

derpes_simplex: Defund? No. ABOLISH.


Abolish all the remnants of our post-September 11th paranoia and xenophobia. Homeland Security, the TSA, ICE. They all have to go.

America has to do more than simply stop Trump, it has to grapple with the variables that helped spawn his presidency to begin with.

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2020-07-24 7:26:53 PM  
Well, I just posted this an hour or two ago in another thread and made my point in only 3 sentences without an air of enjoying the smell of my own farts, New Yorker.

I've seen enough. This agency has not only become political but it is being used to exact violence against the populace.

Defund DHS and shut it down.


/ They're not as bad as the dog's
// except maybe those attributed to him
/// I wish he wouldn't get up and leave, tho, calls out the truth
 
2020-07-24 7:27:38 PM  

hubiestubert: Actually, I disagree to a degree, Smitty.

Currently, the DHS has in place leads who are authoritarian jackasses who have been given all the lead that they can handle to be exactly who they were, and rewarded by the current Administration for being exactly why they were put in charge in the first place.

What we can do is put into place an Executive that will fire the thugs and white power motherf*ckers, and that includes in ICE as well. And with a mandate to KEEP these motherf*ckers out, because that sh*t doesn't fly.

Save, with this Administration it does. And they've removed folks who disagree with their new policy mandates and leadership. Both agencies are right now led by cartoon villains who are chewing up the damn scenery while they whisper into their coffee, as it grows cold and black, the tales of horrors that they will inflict on all those who wronged them. Much like the Department of Education. HUD. And how many OTHER agencies right now, including the FBI, State Department, and certainly how many folks over in Justice?

You want to see change? Then change the damn leadership. Demand accountability. And for damn sure, don't vote for folks who you KNOW are going to empower white power motherf*ckers and Dominists who hate anything remotely looks like freedom or equality. And by "leadership" that means the Executive.

All these asshats did was take their cues from their leadership, and fulfilled the mandate that they were given BY the Executive Branch. We don't have to defund them, we have to change their leadership, and as an electorate, we NEED to pay the f*ck attention when fascists come knocking on the door and saying to ourselves, "But they said Candygram!"

You want better? Then vote. And keep voting. And disempower the folks who caused this mess. And keep a Gottverdammt eye on them, and don't forget by midterms...but keep your damn eyes on the ball. Stop expecting someone else to clean this sh*t up. Get involved. Stay involved. Keep at it. AND STOP LISTENING TO F*CKING AGITPROP AND F*CKING TROLLFARMS YOU F*CKING GOLDFISH!


Challenge: DHS was abused by Obama.
 
2020-07-24 7:27:54 PM  
My very first thread response on Fark back in 2002:

This is all bullshiat. Since Bush and his military-industrial handlers allowed 9/11 to happen in the first place just to create this nationalistic, fearful and paranoid tableau, we play along by wasting our time arguing about whether or not something obviously unconstitutional is actually unconstitutional. This gives those with a vested interest in curtailing traditional American freedoms (read: neofascist corporate cronies) more time to quickly create a self-perpetuating technocratic oligarchy behind our backs while we're busy being poor. fark. Come on 2004.
 
2020-07-24 7:30:20 PM  
Which is exactly what I'll do. Don't just defund them, disband them entirely and reorganize the salvageable parts, like slinging the Coast Guard back to the DoT. What has DHS done for us? It's all been a game of authoritarian grab-ass since they were established as the OHS.

Go on, I'll wait. If the answer is anything more than a vague feeling of safety and carrying out the duties of the roles absorbed by the agency wen it was created, then we can get on fine by putting all the pieces of that agency back where they came from.
 
2020-07-24 7:30:36 PM  
It's time to dismantle DHS, Abolish ICE, curtail CIA and FBI, and require all prisons to be put back under government control.

If only we could vote for a politician who supported even half of that.
 
2020-07-24 7:32:32 PM  
Defund? How about eliminate. The whole damn thing was created on the premise using 9/11.
TLDR We can do what the fark we want to
 
2020-07-24 7:32:39 PM  
Imagine what we could do if Democrats controlled the US Budget...
 
2020-07-24 7:39:26 PM  

misanthropicsob: Imagine what we could do if Progressive Democrats controlled the US Budget...


FTFY.

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2020-07-24 7:42:07 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: misanthropicsob: Imagine what we could do if Progressive Democrats controlled the US Budget...

FTFY.

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That was my sarcastic point. Democrats already control the purse strings. They're just the wrong Democrats.

/I wish AOC and Jayapal would leave the Democratic Party and start a new one
 
2020-07-24 7:45:32 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: misanthropicsob: Imagine what we could do if Progressive Democrats controlled the US Budget...

FTFY.

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That's gonna be another big thing to grapple with as we hopefully come to terms with how badly this country has been tilted over the decades. Everyone's shifted so far to the right that a statement like that looks radically liberal, just because the needle has shifted so far to the right for both parties. We're gonna need to take decades more to hopefully move that ideological balance back where it belongs, so we don't have a party of "kill everyone for profit under the guise of freedom and patriotism" and another of "maybe just don't kill people". It's still good to see those "radically liberal" ideals still persist somewhat.
 
2020-07-24 7:51:48 PM  

misanthropicsob: Bith Set Me Up: misanthropicsob: Imagine what we could do if Progressive Democrats controlled the US Budget...

FTFY.

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That was my sarcastic point. Democrats already control the purse strings. They're just the wrong Democrats.

/I wish AOC and Jayapal would leave the Democratic Party and start a new one


Can we *maybe* stay together long enough to defeat the party of literal unapologetic fascism, and quisling treason because just the fascism wasn't despicable enough, first? THEN break the Democrats (who have at this point basically staked out "every last sane reality-based governing stance possible" as the GOPers retreat ever farther into gibbering lunacy) into an actual-liberal party and a conservative party?

What you're proposing is tantamount to initiating the Cold War with Russia before Nazi Germany is ended.
 
2020-07-24 7:52:37 PM  

Dr Dreidel: We've needed something like $3 trillion in new spending in 2 months, and people are wondering why we're starting to look at bloated paramilitary budgets for places to cut?


The people are, yes. Our politicians just voted  to give them more money.
 
2020-07-24 7:53:45 PM  

erik-k: misanthropicsob: Bith Set Me Up: misanthropicsob: Imagine what we could do if Progressive Democrats controlled the US Budget...

FTFY.

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That was my sarcastic point. Democrats already control the purse strings. They're just the wrong Democrats.

/I wish AOC and Jayapal would leave the Democratic Party and start a new one

Can we *maybe* stay together long enough to defeat the party of literal unapologetic fascism, and quisling treason because just the fascism wasn't despicable enough, first? THEN break the Democrats (who have at this point basically staked out "every last sane reality-based governing stance possible" as the GOPers retreat ever farther into gibbering lunacy) into an actual-liberal party and a conservative party?

What you're proposing is tantamount to initiating the Cold War with Russia before Nazi Germany is ended.


Your comment is not a repeat from 2004.
 
2020-07-24 7:56:51 PM  
But guys, if Black people and Gay people and Women would just vote for Republicans, everything would change! I just KNOW it would! Don't you want to believe? Wouldn't that be great?

/sometimes people want to be accepted so badly that they start loving the boot that holds them down
 
2020-07-24 7:57:54 PM  

misanthropicsob: erik-k: misanthropicsob: Bith Set Me Up: misanthropicsob: Imagine what we could do if Progressive Democrats controlled the US Budget...

FTFY.

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That was my sarcastic point. Democrats already control the purse strings. They're just the wrong Democrats.

/I wish AOC and Jayapal would leave the Democratic Party and start a new one

Can we *maybe* stay together long enough to defeat the party of literal unapologetic fascism, and quisling treason because just the fascism wasn't despicable enough, first? THEN break the Democrats (who have at this point basically staked out "every last sane reality-based governing stance possible" as the GOPers retreat ever farther into gibbering lunacy) into an actual-liberal party and a conservative party?

What you're proposing is tantamount to initiating the Cold War with Russia before Nazi Germany is ended.

Your comment is not a repeat from 2004.


"The older members really cling to the idea that things are going to go 'back to normal' ' after Trump, Ocasio-Cortez told me. 'For us, it's never been normal, and before that the bipartisanship was s-ty anyway and gave us the War on Drugs, DOMA' - the Defense of Marriage Act, which barred federal recognition or benefits for same-sex couples - 'and stripping the leg[islative] branch of everything.'

[...]

Ocasio-Cortez said she has seen how fear shapes senior members of her caucus and their approach to politics. 'When it comes to defending why we don't [...] push visionary legislation, I hear the line so frequently from senior members, 'I want to win,'' she said. 'But what they mean by that is, 'I only want to introduce bills that have a 100 percent chance of passing almost unanimously.' But for new members, what's important isn't just winning but fighting. I don't care about losing in the short term, because we know we're fighting for the long term.'"
 
2020-07-24 7:59:14 PM  
If the GOP can cut funding for the federal watchdog agencies they can cut DHS too.
 
2020-07-24 8:03:59 PM  

misanthropicsob: Your comment is not a repeat from 2004.


Sorry. That was mean.

I'm just tired from 20 years of protesting and still having Democratic politicians side with teargas-happy police and privacy-invading government agencies. It seems that most of them cannot be pushed.
 
2020-07-24 8:23:57 PM  
Well, other than defunding, there is reform. Reforming the DHS would be a monumental project. And where would the people with expertise come from? Who has the vision for a completely different way of pursuing their mission without intrusive surveillance, a rubber stamping FISA court, and a way to reject all the private tech contractors they've used so far?

I guess by reforming the judiciary and hiring academics whose careers have been critical studies of DHS an security would be necessary. And pushing corporate lobbyists out, completely. Businesses built the DHS, not just as complicit, but by writing the legislation and planning that ensured they would be vendors.

I mean, reform doesn't seem like a realistic option at all. But it could be viable by rejecting the DHS's architects and the people they've trained.
 
2020-07-24 8:27:02 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: Well, other than defunding, there is reform. Reforming the DHS would be a monumental project. And where would the people with expertise come from? Who has the vision for a completely different way of pursuing their mission without intrusive surveillance, a rubber stamping FISA court, and a way to reject all the private tech contractors they've used so far?

I guess by reforming the judiciary and hiring academics whose careers have been critical studies of DHS an security would be necessary. And pushing corporate lobbyists out, completely. Businesses built the DHS, not just as complicit, but by writing the legislation and planning that ensured they would be vendors.

I mean, reform doesn't seem like a realistic option at all. But it could be viable by rejecting the DHS's architects and the people they've trained.


"Reform The DHS" would go the same way as "Reform the Police": Mindlessly throwing more money at the problem(s).
 
2020-07-24 8:29:30 PM  
When I tell my wife about the shiat that's going in in the US, she often looks at me as if I'm pulling all that out of my ass, as if I'm exaggerating, as if it's all just because I hate to see that clown, whom your ridiculous election system washed into the White House four years ago.
Then I read the next story about Gestapo- or SA-like units waging a war against American citizens and I wonder if it's really just me, that I am living in a radically left echo chamber and not thinking rationally anymore. I'm somewhat relieved or should I say reassured in my properly functioning mind that it's papers like the Washington Post or the New Yorker that are asking the same questions as I do. I am extremely disturbed by what I see, and as a German who knows his country's history very well, let me tell you, it reminds me of the darkest days my country has gone through. Of all the countries in the world, and with the memories of a president like Reagan fighting in my corner during the cold war, the US were certainly not the place I'd ever have expected to see that emulated.
 
2020-07-24 8:41:52 PM  
I mean, in fairness, technically the answer is "no".

"Defunding" means re-distributing the component functions to more appropriate agencies, or creating more specialized units for them, while maintaining the same overall level of financial support for those functions.

The DHS serves no valid government purpose, none of its components provide any value to our society, and the functions themselves are bad, not just badly executed.

We should not defund DHS.  It needs to be abolished wholesale.  We need to disband the department and not have anyone else start performing its functions.  In fact, we need laws specifically forbidding anyone from attempting to perform any of those functions, perhaps folding them in under the general legal umbrella of "treason".  I mean, under the logic on which the department was founded we can treat a vague ideology as a "war" and justify the actual allocation of military resources and authorities to fighting it, so it seems it'd be much less of a stretch than that to define fascism as an enemy of the United States and execute anyone providing aid or comfort to any fascist agenda as a traitor under the constitution.
 
2020-07-24 8:46:32 PM  

misanthropicsob: It's time to dismantle DHS, Abolish ICE, curtail CIA and FBI, and require all prisons to be put back under government control.

If only we could vote for a politician who supported even half of that.


But he or she would be soft on crime, and we can't have that.
 
2020-07-24 8:51:57 PM  

hubiestubert: Actually, I disagree to a degree, Smitty.

Currently, the DHS has in place leads who are authoritarian jackasses who have been given all the lead that they can handle to be exactly who they were, and rewarded by the current Administration for being exactly why they were put in charge in the first place.

What we can do is put into place an Executive that will fire the thugs and white power motherf*ckers, and that includes in ICE as well. And with a mandate to KEEP these motherf*ckers out, because that sh*t doesn't fly.

Save, with this Administration it does. And they've removed folks who disagree with their new policy mandates and leadership. Both agencies are right now led by cartoon villains who are chewing up the damn scenery while they whisper into their coffee, as it grows cold and black, the tales of horrors that they will inflict on all those who wronged them. Much like the Department of Education. HUD. And how many OTHER agencies right now, including the FBI, State Department, and certainly how many folks over in Justice?

You want to see change? Then change the damn leadership. Demand accountability. And for damn sure, don't vote for folks who you KNOW are going to empower white power motherf*ckers and Dominists who hate anything remotely looks like freedom or equality. And by "leadership" that means the Executive.

All these asshats did was take their cues from their leadership, and fulfilled the mandate that they were given BY the Executive Branch. We don't have to defund them, we have to change their leadership, and as an electorate, we NEED to pay the f*ck attention when fascists come knocking on the door and saying to ourselves, "But they said Candygram!"

You want better? Then vote. And keep voting. And disempower the folks who caused this mess. And keep a Gottverdammt eye on them, and don't forget by midterms...but keep your damn eyes on the ball. Stop expecting someone else to clean this sh*t up. Get involved. Stay involved. Keep at it. AND STOP LISTENING TO F*CKING AGITPROP AND F*CKING TROLLFARMS YOU F*CKING GOLDFISH!


"the dynamite monkey is fine so long as the right guy is in charge."
 
2020-07-24 9:01:27 PM  

misanthropicsob: misanthropicsob: Your comment is not a repeat from 2004.

Sorry. That was mean.

I'm just tired from 20 years of protesting and still having Democratic politicians side with teargas-happy police and privacy-invading government agencies. It seems that most of them cannot be pushed.


Name one Democratic politician who's siding with der Orangefuhrer's schutzstaffel.
 
2020-07-24 9:03:12 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: The DHS is like the CIA and FBI: they were born in a racist view of the world, one that is meager and extremely reduced in its applicability other than in a narrow channel of supremacy. The FBI was this way even before Hoover, birthed from the labor-destroying and hating Pinkertons, and made even worse by Hoover.


The FBI was molded by Hoover into its present form out of envy that the USA had no equivalent of the USSR's secret police. He fixed that.
 
2020-07-24 9:10:14 PM  

erik-k: misanthropicsob: misanthropicsob: Your comment is not a repeat from 2004.

Sorry. That was mean.

I'm just tired from 20 years of protesting and still having Democratic politicians side with teargas-happy police and privacy-invading government agencies. It seems that most of them cannot be pushed.

Name one Democratic politician who's siding with der Orangefuhrer's schutzstaffel.


The ones who supported extending the Patriot Act.

https://newrepublic.com/article/15579​3​/hell-democrats-just-extend-patriot-ac​t
 
2020-07-24 9:10:14 PM  

erik-k: misanthropicsob: I'm just tired from 20 years of protesting and still having Democratic politicians side with teargas-happy police and privacy-invading government agencies. It seems that most of them cannot be pushed.

Name one Democratic politician who's siding with der Orangefuhrer's schutzstaffel.


Yeah the mayor of Portland made a big show of coming out and condemning DHS's brutality... after 50 days of his own goons going out beating and teargassing people with their name tags covered.
 
2020-07-24 9:14:24 PM  
TLDR
 
2020-07-24 9:27:40 PM  

Paddy: When I tell my wife about the shiat that's going in in the US, she often looks at me as if I'm pulling all that out of my ass, as if I'm exaggerating, as if it's all just because I hate to see that clown, whom your ridiculous election system washed into the White House four years ago.
Then I read the next story about Gestapo- or SA-like units waging a war against American citizens and I wonder if it's really just me, that I am living in a radically left echo chamber and not thinking rationally anymore. I'm somewhat relieved or should I say reassured in my properly functioning mind that it's papers like the Washington Post or the New Yorker that are asking the same questions as I do. I am extremely disturbed by what I see, and as a German who knows his country's history very well, let me tell you, it reminds me of the darkest days my country has gone through. Of all the countries in the world, and with the memories of a president like Reagan fighting in my corner during the cold war, the US were certainly not the place I'd ever have expected to see that emulated.


Reagan wasn't in your corner. He hated the Soviet Union, which led him to continue the anti-Soviet alliance his predecessors had helped create, but he never gave a single dram of stale rat piss about you or any other German except insofar as he could use you as leverage against Brezhnev and his successors.
 
2020-07-24 10:01:36 PM  

erik-k: What you're proposing is tantamount to initiating the Cold War with Russia before Nazi Germany is ended.


Or discarding 40 years of center-right incrementalism.

Which is the moral thing to do. Since all it got us with that running both parties was racism and inequality. But reality TV, so yer probably cool with it.
 
2020-07-24 10:07:13 PM  

erik-k: misanthropicsob: misanthropicsob: Your comment is not a repeat from 2004.

Sorry. That was mean.

I'm just tired from 20 years of protesting and still having Democratic politicians side with teargas-happy police and privacy-invading government agencies. It seems that most of them cannot be pushed.

Name one Democratic politician who's siding with der Orangefuhrer's schutzstaffel.


They don't have to side with him when they're tear gassing on their own. My Democratic mayor is siding with her police in trying to use tear gas on protesters again.
 
2020-07-24 10:25:20 PM  
Dept of Homeland Security was a creepy, Orwellian name that told us from the outset that it was destined to become some sort of Stasi-like organization.
 
2020-07-25 12:08:18 AM  

misanthropicsob: hubiestubert: Actually, I disagree to a degree, Smitty.

Currently, the DHS has in place leads who are authoritarian jackasses who have been given all the lead that they can handle to be exactly who they were, and rewarded by the current Administration for being exactly why they were put in charge in the first place.

What we can do is put into place an Executive that will fire the thugs and white power motherf*ckers, and that includes in ICE as well. And with a mandate to KEEP these motherf*ckers out, because that sh*t doesn't fly.

Save, with this Administration it does. And they've removed folks who disagree with their new policy mandates and leadership. Both agencies are right now led by cartoon villains who are chewing up the damn scenery while they whisper into their coffee, as it grows cold and black, the tales of horrors that they will inflict on all those who wronged them. Much like the Department of Education. HUD. And how many OTHER agencies right now, including the FBI, State Department, and certainly how many folks over in Justice?

You want to see change? Then change the damn leadership. Demand accountability. And for damn sure, don't vote for folks who you KNOW are going to empower white power motherf*ckers and Dominists who hate anything remotely looks like freedom or equality. And by "leadership" that means the Executive.

All these asshats did was take their cues from their leadership, and fulfilled the mandate that they were given BY the Executive Branch. We don't have to defund them, we have to change their leadership, and as an electorate, we NEED to pay the f*ck attention when fascists come knocking on the door and saying to ourselves, "But they said Candygram!"

You want better? Then vote. And keep voting. And disempower the folks who caused this mess. And keep a Gottverdammt eye on them, and don't forget by midterms...but keep your damn eyes on the ball. Stop expecting someone else to clean this sh*t up. Get involved. Stay involved. Keep at it. AND STOP LISTENING TO F*CKING AGITPROP AND F*CKING TROLLFARMS YOU F*CKING GOLDFISH!

Challenge: DHS was abused by Obama.


No challenge at all. It's been bullshiat and dangerous since 2002; I've maintained that view and been vindicated repeatedly since 2002 regardless of party holding in the executive.
 
2020-07-25 4:13:25 AM  

Graffito: Dept of Homeland Security was a creepy, Orwellian name that told us from the outset that it was destined to become some sort of Stasi-like organization.


It had an allegedly benign purpose. After 9/11, when it came out that myriad agencies had had information that, if only they had shared it as they were intended to do, could have stopped the hijackings dead in their tracks, Congress decided that an umbrella agency was needed to coordinate all the alphabet agencies and pool their information and provide one agency that would prevent them from hoarding intelligence and causing another 9/11 event.

Never trust Umbrella, though, as we know.
 
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