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(Time)   Remember when the Republicans were the party or "State's Rights"? Good times   (time.com) divider line
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2020-07-24 2:20:14 PM  
The Confederate part of their phrase is never said aloud.
 
2020-07-24 2:35:27 PM  
I reject the idea that the Tea Party's commitment to limited government, local control, and fiscal restraint was a lie or a con or a ruse.

Then you are an idiot.
 
2020-07-24 2:43:53 PM  
No they were the party of Whites' Rights.


I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: The Confederate part of their phrase is never said aloud.


Interesting tidbit: The Confederacy was even more anti state's rights than the Union.
 
2020-07-24 3:00:04 PM  

GardenWeasel: I reject the idea that the Tea Party's commitment to limited government, local control, and fiscal restraint was a lie or a con or a ruse.

Then you are an idiot.


No, no, he's right. It could have been a bamboozle, a fraud, a deceit, or even a hoax.
 
2020-07-24 3:02:18 PM  

pueblonative: No they were the party of Whites' Rights.


I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: The Confederate part of their phrase is never said aloud.

Interesting tidbit: The Confederacy was even more anti state's rights than the Union.


Then they really picked the wrong word.
 
2020-07-24 3:05:57 PM  
The Republicans haven't had an ideology since that genius move of inviting in all the Democratic racists back in the sixties. (The Southern Strategy)

Now, their whole is existence is to win elections (no matter how they do it) and to hand over taxpayer dollars to the rich.  Everybody else can go F themselves.
 
2020-07-24 3:08:21 PM  
There was a time, not long ago, when I was a lawyer for the Tea Party. I was part of a legal team representing 42 Tea Party organizations stretching from coast-to-coast. I was proud of the cause and my clients.

The cause was just. We filed suit challenging the Obama-era IRS's systematic targeting of Tea Party organizations for extraordinary scrutiny, designed in part to improperly identify their sources of funding and monitor their political activities.


Agreed. The guy is an idiot.

So he represented 42 organizations with some name related to "Tea Party" or "Patriot" or whatever, that, along with an untold number of other organizations, came online during the 2009 year. And then he gets upset when a bunch of organizations with a name related to "Tea Party" or "Patriot" or whatever are targeted for scrutiny because a whole bunch of groups with similar sounding names coming online at the same time seems rather suspcious? The IRS was doing its damn job, and he's just annoyed at being caught out for it.
 
2020-07-24 3:18:14 PM  
They're real good supporters of the 2nd Amendment, up until less than pale people pick up legal firearms, too.

Constitution for Me, never for Thee is their mantra.
 
2020-07-24 3:28:07 PM  
No. I remember them hypocritically bleating about states rights to justify some racist or fascist this or that over the years, but I don't ever remember them having a genuine field-of-farks growing on about it.

But right wingers don't genuinely believe anything really. It's all just a cynical cash or attention grab.
 
2020-07-24 3:29:20 PM  
The only example he seems to give is going after California for their sanctuary state policy.  How is that anti-states rights?

Would we accept it if California law enforcement or national guard were embargoing ships from specific foreign ports or outright attacking ships flagged in certain countries because they passed a law allowing it?

No, because that would be them effectively declaring war against a foreign country, something they're not allowed to do under the constitution.  By doing everything they can to undermine federal enforcement of immigration law, they are effectively deciding their own foreign immigration law.

They can refuse to enforce federal law, refuse to notify federal law enforcement, etc. as part of their powers under the 10th amendment, but the feds can play too and withhold funds or do the bulk of the work themselves - I've seen this sort of development before, just can't place it.   However and whatever you do, stop acting surprised or shocked that the feds are not just sitting sit back while CA maintains its own immigration policy.
 
2020-07-24 3:30:22 PM  

hubiestubert: They're real good supporters of the 2nd Amendment, up until less than pale people pick up legal firearms, too.

Constitution for Me, never for Thee is their mantra.


2nd amendment supporters have never had a problem with nonwhite people having guns.

The Democrats have always had that problem though - all the way back to some of the first gun control laws in the US, starting after the civil war.
 
2020-07-24 3:30:45 PM  
FTFA: "I agreed. I still agree. The United States is a vast, pluralist republic. It's extraordinarily diverse by every meaningful measure - including by race, religion, ideology, ethnicity, and geography. That means that different communities will have different values. They'll have different economies. They'll have different approaches to governance. One size does not fit all."

TRANSLATION: "WAAH WAAAH WAAH. I want all of the protections and benefits of a society, but I want to contribute nothing to its success. It should be here to serve me and mine alone."
 
2020-07-24 3:31:19 PM  
At the time, I thought I was a part of a movement that was pushing the United States closer to a solution for our increasing polarization. By increasing local autonomy, I thought, ultimately we could de-escalate the stakes of national elections and increase each individual's degree of political control over the policies (and leaders) who most impact their lives.

Yeah, the Tea Party was based on "THERE'S A BLACK MAN IN THE WHITE HOUSE! OOGA BOOGA!". Nothing else. The author is either (1) lying, or (2) intensely stupid. 

/Having met a fair number of Libertarians in my time, the latter is actually pretty likely.
//Libertarians are stupid.
 
2020-07-24 3:32:12 PM  
Republicans were never for states rights.

They are always and only about their own rights - specifically their rights to impose their will and discriminate against everyone else.
 
2020-07-24 3:32:14 PM  
Republicans want to maximize power at whatever level benefits them most.  If there's a Democratic president, they're all about state's rights.  If there's a Republican president, they're in favor of the unitary executive.
 
2020-07-24 3:32:23 PM  
Conservatives discovered neoliberalism and that shiat took off.   Corporations have far too much power in our political systems.  Find me a trustbuster and let's tear shiat up.
 
2020-07-24 3:32:28 PM  
Republicans only ever supported the right of local and state government to do exactly what the party wanted. For as long as I can remember, the have always come down hard on a local or state government that tried to adopt a policy the Republicans disagreed with.
 
2020-07-24 3:32:30 PM  
No.  I only remember when they "claimed" that.  I don't know they ever believed it. To much money to be made.
 
2020-07-24 3:33:43 PM  

pedrop357: hubiestubert: They're real good supporters of the 2nd Amendment, up until less than pale people pick up legal firearms, too.

Constitution for Me, never for Thee is their mantra.

2nd amendment supporters have never had a problem with nonwhite people having guns.

The Democrats have always had that problem though - all the way back to some of the first gun control laws in the US, starting after the civil war.


REAGAN, YOU DOLT!
 
2020-07-24 3:34:07 PM  

hubiestubert: They're real good supporters of the 2nd Amendment, up until less than pale people pick up legal firearms, too.

Constitution for Me, never for Thee is their mantra.


Oh yeah. I was chatting with someone who goes to the right and they were talking about how the States need federal intervention to combat the gun violence in these cities.

I was just like....that's some communist talk you got there bud. They didn't like that.
 
2020-07-24 3:34:25 PM  

neongoats: No. I remember them hypocritically bleating about states rights to justify some racist or fascist this or that over the years, but I don't ever remember them having a genuine field-of-farks growing on about it.

But right wingers don't genuinely believe anything really. It's all just a cynical cash or attention grab.


They believe in a government run by racist fascist pieces of dogshiat like them that treats anyone different than them with impunity and anything else that comes out of their mouths is complete and total. bullshiat.

It's about f*cling time we stopped treating them as rational, honest actors.
 
2020-07-24 3:34:40 PM  

neongoats: But right wingers don't genuinely believe anything really. It's all just a cynical cash or attention grab.


Exactly this. Taking them seriously, or treating their positions as honestly held ones, is an exercise in frustration.
 
2020-07-24 3:35:41 PM  
Conservatives are in favor of states' rights when they do not control the federal government, and are in favor of individual rights when they do not control the state government.  Just like they are in favor of cutting budgets when they do not control spending priorities.

Conservatives do not have principled stances on the size and structure of government, they merely parrot whatever stances would give them the most power in a given situation.
 
2020-07-24 3:35:49 PM  

pedrop357: hubiestubert: They're real good supporters of the 2nd Amendment, up until less than pale people pick up legal firearms, too.

Constitution for Me, never for Thee is their mantra.

2nd amendment supporters have never had a problem with nonwhite people having guns.

The Democrats have always had that problem though - all the way back to some of the first gun control laws in the US, starting after the civil war.


Thhe NRA supported gun control to disarm African-Americans.

Yet more lies from one of our many resident fascist propagandists.
 
2020-07-24 3:36:54 PM  
... No? Because it's always been quite transparent that "state's rights" claptrap has only EVER been an excuse for the authoritarian party - whatever its name may have been at that point - to lay chains upon others?

From Russpublican states today trying to destroy unions and pass forced birth laws at the state level to harm cities because they can't get what they want at the federal level, all the way right on back to the Democrats in Dixie starting a civil war over "states' rights" to permit chattel slavery, then writing a Confederate constitution that forbade ever outlawing slavery confederacy-wide?
 
2020-07-24 3:37:27 PM  
No. But I remember when they branded discrimination against women, homosexuals, people of color and various other groups on the RW shiat list as "States Rights"
 
2020-07-24 3:38:18 PM  
It might feel satisfying, but it's futile to point out conservative hypocrisy, because to do so you had to take them at their word to begin with.  All they care about is getting and keeping power and they don't care about how they get it or keep it.  Any other reasoning they give is a lie.
 
2020-07-24 3:38:58 PM  

PlaidJaguar: pedrop357: hubiestubert: They're real good supporters of the 2nd Amendment, up until less than pale people pick up legal firearms, too.

Constitution for Me, never for Thee is their mantra.

2nd amendment supporters have never had a problem with nonwhite people having guns.

The Democrats have always had that problem though - all the way back to some of the first gun control laws in the US, starting after the civil war.

Thhe NRA supported gun control to disarm African-Americans.

Yet more lies from one of our many resident fascist propagandists.


No they didn't.  They did support the bullshiat Mulford Act which banned open carry of firearms.   That sort of support ed to a complete routing of party leadership and replacement with people who oppose every bit of it.

BUT, none of this refutes my initial statement that it's Democrat who have ALWAYS supported gun control and started with obviously racial goals in mind.
 
2020-07-24 3:39:13 PM  
They are, and always have been, the party of hypocrisy

/iokiyaar
 
2020-07-24 3:39:42 PM  

stickmangrit: pedrop357: hubiestubert: They're real good supporters of the 2nd Amendment, up until less than pale people pick up legal firearms, too.

Constitution for Me, never for Thee is their mantra.

2nd amendment supporters have never had a problem with nonwhite people having guns.

The Democrats have always had that problem though - all the way back to some of the first gun control laws in the US, starting after the civil war.

REAGAN, YOU DOLT!


Reagan wasn't much of a 2nd amendment supporter, nor was he a Democrat.  Try again.
 
2020-07-24 3:39:53 PM  
Republicans want a world in which their tribe has absolute power and The Other has absolutely no rights.  Period.  Their endgame is a world in which all of them, not just Trump, can shoot any non-Republican on Fifth Street or anywhere else with impunity.  They're not stockpiling guns to take down the government, they're stockpiling them for the day they can gun down anyone they don't like.
 
2020-07-24 3:40:28 PM  
Check out this joker pretending the Tea Party had principles other than "fark you, I got mine."
 
2020-07-24 3:41:28 PM  

Richard Roma: Republicans want a world in which their tribe has absolute power and The Other has absolutely no rights.  Period.  Their endgame is a world in which all of them, not just Trump, can shoot any non-Republican on Fifth Street or anywhere else with impunity.  They're not stockpiling guns to take down the government, they're stockpiling them for the day they can gun down anyone they don't like.


This is pure projection as we've seen the statements and behavior from the left which tells us that this is exactly how they would behave.
 
2020-07-24 3:42:00 PM  
Pricipal. Caught sayof country that has stoped deomcracy. "Make Grate Again." Is Republicans the party or not. Time says no. -OR- "hello, I am State's Rights."

FTFSubby
 
2020-07-24 3:42:10 PM  
Dems hated states rights. Then came cannabis.
 
2020-07-24 3:42:49 PM  

Erebus1954: Dems hated states rights. Then came cannabis.


This.

Try states with machineguns or suppressors and they hate it again.
 
2020-07-24 3:43:08 PM  

pedrop357: Try states rights with machineguns or suppressors and they hate it again.

 
2020-07-24 3:43:21 PM  
The cause was just. We filed suit challenging the Obama-era IRS's systematic targeting of Tea Party organizations for extraordinary scrutiny, designed in part to improperly identify their sources of funding and monitor their political activities.

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The IRS "targeted" these groups in such high numbers because the number of groups applying was a huge increase from the number normally forming, and tea party mouth breathers either didn't, couldn't or wouldn't properly fill out the paperwork.
 
2020-07-24 3:49:18 PM  

pedrop357: Richard Roma: Republicans want a world in which their tribe has absolute power and The Other has absolutely no rights.  Period.  Their endgame is a world in which all of them, not just Trump, can shoot any non-Republican on Fifth Street or anywhere else with impunity.  They're not stockpiling guns to take down the government, they're stockpiling them for the day they can gun down anyone they don't like.

This is pure projection as we've seen the statements and behavior from the left which tells us that this is exactly how they would behave.


And here we see the fascist claiming what is happening right now under his protofascist godking is what would happen if the evil left took power.

Because in addition to being evil, fascists are generally too stupid to come up with new lies.
 
2020-07-24 3:49:35 PM  
Since they lied about hating Presidential golf trips, hating debt, loving family values, wanting to protect America from its enemies, and believing in God it's not really a surprise that states rights were something else they lied about.
 
2020-07-24 3:53:29 PM  
Heads I win. Tails you lose.


That's it. That's their whole game. One rule.

/tilt
 
2020-07-24 3:57:05 PM  
This is a point that I've made quite a bit.

Right wing "concepts" - states rights, 2nd amendment, etc. aren't inherently bad in and of themselves and aren't exclusive to right wingers alone. The issue is that they hypocritically wield them like a sword and get Democrats to take the bait and completely disavow them, even to their detriment.
 
2020-07-24 3:57:19 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: GardenWeasel: I reject the idea that the Tea Party's commitment to limited government, local control, and fiscal restraint was a lie or a con or a ruse.

Then you are an idiot.

No, no, he's right. It could have been a bamboozle, a fraud, a deceit, or even a hoax.


Dammit, you got me there.
 
2020-07-24 3:57:54 PM  

PlaidJaguar: pedrop357: Richard Roma: Republicans want a world in which their tribe has absolute power and The Other has absolutely no rights.  Period.  Their endgame is a world in which all of them, not just Trump, can shoot any non-Republican on Fifth Street or anywhere else with impunity.  They're not stockpiling guns to take down the government, they're stockpiling them for the day they can gun down anyone they don't like.

This is pure projection as we've seen the statements and behavior from the left which tells us that this is exactly how they would behave.

And here we see the fascist claiming what is happening right now under his protofascist godking is what would happen if the evil left took power.

Because in addition to being evil, fascists are generally too stupid to come up with new lies.


The left invented and has happily embraced modern 'cancel culture', the ostracizing and/or excommunication of anyone who speaks against leftwing ideals, engages in even the slightest criticisms of the left, or dares to express anything buy harsh condemnation of conservatives.

Look at what the left is doing on college campuses to anyone makes a mean tweet, engages in devil's advocate discussion during a class on a topic, expresses support for the president, has the wrong bumper sticker on their car, made an insensitive joke 10 years ago on social media, etc.

We see how the left deals with people they don't like in every institution where they have power, and it's all the same.  It doesn't take any imagination or creativity to predict how the left would behave with more political power - all we have to do i look at how they act when they have power and add that to what they say and do to their opposities/enemies/adversaries when they don't have power.  You've told us over and over again what you want to do to conservatives, gun owners, rich people, white people, middle class people, SUV drivers, churchgoers, etc.
Why did you expect us to ignore that?
 
2020-07-24 3:59:05 PM  

Great_Milenko: The cause was just. We filed suit challenging the Obama-era IRS's systematic targeting of Tea Party organizations for extraordinary scrutiny, designed in part to improperly identify their sources of funding and monitor their political activities.

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The IRS "targeted" these groups in such high numbers because the number of groups applying was a huge increase from the number normally forming, and tea party mouth breathers either didn't, couldn't or wouldn't properly fill out the paperwork.


Yep, and we should have publicly called them out by asking 'if you're acting in good faith and not setting up something sleazy then what do you care if you get more scrutiny?'
 
2020-07-24 4:05:37 PM  
No they've never actually believed in that.
 
2020-07-24 4:07:16 PM  

Wadded Beef: Great_Milenko: The cause was just. We filed suit challenging the Obama-era IRS's systematic targeting of Tea Party organizations for extraordinary scrutiny, designed in part to improperly identify their sources of funding and monitor their political activities.

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The IRS "targeted" these groups in such high numbers because the number of groups applying was a huge increase from the number normally forming, and tea party mouth breathers either didn't, couldn't or wouldn't properly fill out the paperwork.

Yep, and we should have publicly called them out by asking 'if you're acting in good faith and not setting up something sleazy then what do you care if you get more scrutiny?'


Ah, the old 'If you're not doing anything wrong, you should have nothing to hide' canard.
 
2020-07-24 4:09:09 PM  
I was talking to you.  I've only had or needed one account in the 17 or so years I've been here.
 
2020-07-24 4:10:30 PM  

pedrop357: The only example he seems to give is going after California for their sanctuary state policy. How is that anti-states rights?


Because Washington is required to enforce its own damn laws. Do you really want Congress to pass laws willy-nilly and expect the states to pay for enforcing them?
 
2020-07-24 4:12:55 PM  

The Reverend Sam Hill: pedrop357: The only example he seems to give is going after California for their sanctuary state policy. How is that anti-states rights?

Because Washington is required to enforce its own damn laws. Do you really want Congress to pass laws willy-nilly and expect the states to pay for enforcing them?


It's not just the lack of enforcement, it's the willful obstruction.

Even in states with legalized marijuana, can you see the jails refusing to tell the DEA whether they have someone in custody?
 
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