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2020-07-23 3:39:51 PM  
What kind of CDs does it play? The financial kind?
 
2020-07-23 3:41:42 PM  
CDs? What's that?
 
2020-07-23 3:42:59 PM  
Still won't sound as good as a record on virgin vinyl, played on a good turntable, with an old school
TUBE (valve) type amplifier.
 
2020-07-23 4:08:02 PM  

p51d007: Still won't sound as good as a record on virgin vinyl, played on a good turntable, with an old school
TUBE (valve) type amplifier.


Steve Martin Googlephonics
Youtube Cjjsz14hL48
 
2020-07-23 4:08:20 PM  
I'm going to have to upgrade my Brilliant Pebbles, aren't I?
 
2020-07-23 4:08:29 PM  
Meh. Some dumbass will buy this.
 
2020-07-23 4:14:49 PM  
"...a Stateside retail price of US$16,495."

I know a guy who'll can get me ten, maybe FIFTEEN PRECENT OFF that number.
Suckers.
 
2020-07-23 4:15:06 PM  
Is this for the ultra rich?  Or is it for someone who has a audio studio or something like that?
 
2020-07-23 4:17:11 PM  

Rwa2play: CDs? What's that?


I used to drive school bus, and I once had to explain to some 10 year olds that a CD was "a DVD for music."

/fortunately they still knew what a DVD was
 
2020-07-23 4:17:43 PM  

stuhayes2010: Is this for the ultra rich?  Or is it for someone who has a audio studio or something like that?


Yeah.  Local radio stations maybe?  I know ours couldn't afford it and now does just about everything off spotify anyway...
 
2020-07-23 4:17:49 PM  

p51d007: Still won't sound as good as a record on virgin vinyl, played on a good turntable, with an old school
TUBE (valve) type amplifier.


Actually, even older solid-state amps can sound good. My Thorens deck goes into an old Marantz receiver and out to a pair of Dynaco A-25s and sounds amazing.
 
2020-07-23 4:19:00 PM  

stuhayes2010: Is this for the ultra rich?


Yes. Read Stereophile magazine sometime. It's hilarious. They review things like $12,000 power cords and $25,000 tone arms. The snake oil in the audiophile market is insane.
 
2020-07-23 4:26:26 PM  

FlashHarry: stuhayes2010: Is this for the ultra rich?

Yes. Read Stereophile magazine sometime. It's hilarious. They review things like $12,000 power cords and $25,000 tone arms. The snake oil in the audiophile market is insane.


Audio woo is one of my favorite types of woo. shiat is hysterical

Maybe I should sell stupid shiat at outrageous prices. It really is all just about marketing no?
 
2020-07-23 4:26:46 PM  

stuhayes2010: Is this for the ultra rich?  Or is it for someone who has a audio studio or something like that?


It's for audiophiles, defined as people who listen to their sound systems rather than to music.

It's for the kind of people who spend $14000 for headphone cables and $8600 for a power cable

You know, the common clay of the West
 
2020-07-23 4:27:57 PM  
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2020-07-23 4:28:13 PM  
I listen to youtube music through the single speaker on my Boost Mobile phone. It sounds great! Why spend $16K for this?
 
2020-07-23 4:31:41 PM  

NateAsbestos: It really is all just about marketing no?


Pretty much. I mean, say you've got a Russian oligarch or Saudi Sheikh. He says to his personal assistant, "Get me the best audio system possible so I can impress my friends!" That assistant will then simply buy the most expensive shiat available. And if your company makes $10k power cords, you only have to sell a few to make your nut, right? It's a total scam.

Basically it goes like this: a $50 speaker cable is probably better than a $5 speaker cable. But a $5,000 speaker cable is likely not audibly better than the $50 cable. Make sense?
 
2020-07-23 4:36:57 PM  

BizarreMan: p51d007: Still won't sound as good as a record on virgin vinyl, played on a good turntable, with an old school
TUBE (valve) type amplifier.

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/It's all right for a car stereo, wouldn't want it in my house.
 
2020-07-23 4:39:50 PM  
Maybe it's not the equipment. Maybe it's their ears.
 
2020-07-23 4:40:27 PM  

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2020-07-23 4:41:31 PM  
You are going to want the Monster cables as well, right?
 
2020-07-23 4:42:45 PM  
The joke's on them when they have to install the proprietary chip from Sony that powers all CD machines
 
2020-07-23 4:44:33 PM  
Find an old PS1
those that know, know
 
2020-07-23 4:50:51 PM  
CDs have 16 bit samples done at 44.1 Khz. That is all the data that is there. SACDs are no longer produced. This component is something for the rich to brag that they spent a fortune for, but will sound no better than one than one of the cheaper players that can actually play SACDs, if you have them. This Sony even plays DVD and Blu-Ray for under $100  https://www.crutchfield.com/p_15​8BDP6700/Sony-BDP-S6700.html
 
2020-07-23 4:56:53 PM  
This bad boy has been going strong since 1991 and I still use it for discs that I haven't ripped yet.

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2020-07-23 4:57:44 PM  

FlashHarry: NateAsbestos: It really is all just about marketing no?

Pretty much. I mean, say you've got a Russian oligarch or Saudi Sheikh. He says to his personal assistant, "Get me the best audio system possible so I can impress my friends!" That assistant will then simply buy the most expensive shiat available. And if your company makes $10k power cords, you only have to sell a few to make your nut, right? It's a total scam.

Basically it goes like this: a $50 speaker cable is probably better than a $5 speaker cable. But a $5,000 speaker cable is likely not audibly better than the $50 cable. Make sense?


Oh yeah, I get it entirely.

I was just musing out loud about how I can get in on this scam.
 
2020-07-23 4:58:57 PM  

McGrits: This bad boy has been going strong since 1991 and I still use it for discs that I haven't ripped yet.

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Panasonic made incredible CD players. As a youth my mom got me a Panasonic CD walkman. Used the shiat out of that thing. The headphones it came with were pretty good audio quality too.

I can't imagine it was terribly expensive, and I got years of use out of it.
 
2020-07-23 4:59:03 PM  
I bet their engineers are proud of this.
 
2020-07-23 5:04:20 PM  
My CD player is a laptop.
 
2020-07-23 5:17:00 PM  
"Man, it sounds like DJ is pushing the laptop buttons right next to me!"
 
2020-07-23 5:25:52 PM  
a 5mm steel top plate to combat the twin foes of vibration and resonance

A few seconds of buffer makes it literally impossible to hear the effects of "vibration and resonance" in the music. And the effect would be no music at all, not the warbling that the fools imagine they hear.

My cheap portable player from circa 1998 had that feature. I imagine for $17K this thing does also.
 
2020-07-23 5:32:15 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: stuhayes2010: Is this for the ultra rich?  Or is it for someone who has a audio studio or something like that?

Yeah.  Local radio stations maybe?  I know ours couldn't afford it and now does just about everything off spotify anyway...


Do radio stations have any use for a signal-to-noise ratio of -130dB?  Especially given the declining market for radio?
 
kab
2020-07-23 5:46:47 PM  

NateAsbestos: FlashHarry: stuhayes2010: Is this for the ultra rich?

Yes. Read Stereophile magazine sometime. It's hilarious. They review things like $12,000 power cords and $25,000 tone arms. The snake oil in the audiophile market is insane.

Audio woo is one of my favorite types of woo. shiat is hysterical

Maybe I should sell stupid shiat at outrageous prices. It really is all just about marketing no?


Tim Apple makes a good amount of money from it.
 
2020-07-23 5:49:06 PM  

flondrix: Benevolent Misanthrope: stuhayes2010: Is this for the ultra rich?  Or is it for someone who has a audio studio or something like that?

Yeah.  Local radio stations maybe?  I know ours couldn't afford it and now does just about everything off spotify anyway...

Do radio stations have any use for a signal-to-noise ratio of -130dB?  Especially given the declining market for radio?


Just throwing questions out there.  I can;t imagine who this is aimed at, other than the "more money than brains" set.
 
kab
2020-07-23 5:49:41 PM  
Glockenspiel Hero:

It's for audiophiles, defined as people who listen to their sound systems rather than to music.

And on this site, an audiophile is someone with better gear than a pair of Beatz.

/hearing new elements in music you thought you knew well is fun.
 
2020-07-23 6:07:08 PM  

kab: Glockenspiel Hero:

It's for audiophiles, defined as people who listen to their sound systems rather than to music.

And on this site, an audiophile is someone with better gear than a pair of Beatz.

/hearing new elements in music you thought you knew well is fun.


There's a difference between picking out high quality audio gear and paying 8 grand for a *power cord*.  Buying a set of decent headphones can be expensive but they actually do affect sound(*).  Cables don't- they've done tests using unbent wire coat hangers vs. the miracle cables and you can't tell the difference.

It gets even more absurd when you consider digital tech.  A bit's a bit- cables don't distort unless they're so bad they can't make connection.  All the bizarre "stability" tech is no better than a few seconds of buffer which costs almost nothing at this point.

(*)Although it doesn't have to break the bank.  I'll throw in a plug for my Grado SR-80e pair.  Really nice sound for about $100
 
kab
2020-07-23 6:22:51 PM  

Glockenspiel Hero: kab: Glockenspiel Hero:

It's for audiophiles, defined as people who listen to their sound systems rather than to music.

And on this site, an audiophile is someone with better gear than a pair of Beatz.

/hearing new elements in music you thought you knew well is fun.

There's a difference between picking out high quality audio gear and paying 8 grand for a *power cord*.  Buying a set of decent headphones can be expensive but they actually do affect sound(*).  Cables don't- they've done tests using unbent wire coat hangers vs. the miracle cables and you can't tell the difference.

It gets even more absurd when you consider digital tech.  A bit's a bit- cables don't distort unless they're so bad they can't make connection.  All the bizarre "stability" tech is no better than a few seconds of buffer which costs almost nothing at this point.

(*)Although it doesn't have to break the bank.  I'll throw in a plug for my Grado SR-80e pair.  Really nice sound for about $100


That's the thing though... how many $8k power cords do you think actually get sold per year?  While there's always going to be a market for the wealthy and placebo across all industries, it's not like the purchase of these things is some even remotely common practice.  Most people who are nuts about music aren't dropping anything close to this in my estimation.

/funnily enough, this thread led to some googling.   17k is the new gold standard for power cables it seems:
https://blinkhighend.com/shop/cables/​n​ordost-cables/nordost-power-cords/nord​ost-norse-2-heimdall-power-cord/

//Music Hall turntable, NAD cd player, ELAC towers that I got for 1/2 off during xmas, and an ancient Sony V444es that I bought off a roommate 16 years ago for like $200 bucks.   My wallet and ears are pretty happy.
 
2020-07-23 6:24:51 PM  

McGrits: This bad boy has been going strong since 1991 and I still use it for discs that I haven't ripped yet.

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Made me dig out my old Magnavox from 1996 to see if it still worked.  It does.  Dad gave me it back when I was 14.

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2020-07-23 6:32:03 PM  
Get one free with a year's subscription to Newsweek.
 
2020-07-23 6:49:17 PM  

Insult Comic Bishounen: McGrits: This bad boy has been going strong since 1991 and I still use it for discs that I haven't ripped yet.

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Made me dig out my old Magnavox from 1996 to see if it still worked.  It does.  Dad gave me it back when I was 14.

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Awesome. A headphone to rca cable will let you use that still.

I have this boom box / shelf stereo from 1991 that goes with the CD player.I t rocked in that not having the CD player built in, it came with aux port instead. This let me connect my early 90's TVs for sweet sound setups.It is now relegated to garage use.

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2020-07-23 7:09:49 PM  
Things in audio where you get your money's worth: Speakers. Amps. Turntables. Cartridges. The difference between budget and what I call "mid-fi" is enormous, especially if you buy used. My vinyl set up is a pair of Cornwalls, fed by an ancient Mac 275 from a Thorens 850. Never gets old, has sounded fantastic for 30 years. All bought well used. For the big room it's Paradigm s8s , a Jeff Rowland Concentra II and a Cambridge Audio DAC. Again, used.
 
2020-07-23 7:39:49 PM  
My CD player was that much.  Fortunately, it came with a free Honda Civic.
 
2020-07-23 8:08:14 PM  

p51d007: Still won't sound as good as a record on virgin vinyl, played on a good turntable, with an old school
TUBE (valve) type amplifier.


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2020-07-23 8:10:58 PM  
According to LUXMAN America, D-10X also features: an oversized power supply with large filter capacitors and fed by a transformer that's 27% bigger than the one found in LUXMAN's previous flagship; a loop-less chassis designed to shield against digital noise; printed circuit boards with "gently curved wiring patterns" that reportedly promote signal flow; 100 μm copper foil signal traces and gold-plated connections that seek to minimize stray capacitance; a brushed aluminium finish.

I know anyone with even half a brain cell was already assuming it, but as someone with actual professional experience with materials, circuit-design and the physical concerns of signal processing in IC contexts, I'd just like to chime in to confirm everyone's pre-existing assumption that not one bit of that is real.  Not one single word of it.

I mean, they're all physical devices that exist, it's just that none of them do a single goddamned thing to alter playback or transmission of the kind of signal you're talking about in an audio track.  Literally nothing whatsoever.
 
2020-07-23 9:38:30 PM  

whidbey: My CD player is a laptop.


Not with Windows 10 it isn't.
 
2020-07-23 9:40:36 PM  

drewogatory: Things in audio where you get your money's worth: Speakers. Amps. Turntables. Cartridges. The difference between budget and what I call "mid-fi" is enormous, especially if you buy used. My vinyl set up is a pair of Cornwalls, fed by an ancient Mac 275 from a Thorens 850. Never gets old, has sounded fantastic for 30 years. All bought well used. For the big room it's Paradigm s8s , a Jeff Rowland Concentra II and a Cambridge Audio DAC. Again, used.


Did the same with RF-7's. Very happy.
 
2020-07-23 9:46:25 PM  

kab: Glockenspiel Hero: kab: Glockenspiel Hero:

It's for audiophiles, defined as people who listen to their sound systems rather than to music.

And on this site, an audiophile is someone with better gear than a pair of Beatz.

/hearing new elements in music you thought you knew well is fun.

There's a difference between picking out high quality audio gear and paying 8 grand for a *power cord*.  Buying a set of decent headphones can be expensive but they actually do affect sound(*).  Cables don't- they've done tests using unbent wire coat hangers vs. the miracle cables and you can't tell the difference.

It gets even more absurd when you consider digital tech.  A bit's a bit- cables don't distort unless they're so bad they can't make connection.  All the bizarre "stability" tech is no better than a few seconds of buffer which costs almost nothing at this point.

(*)Although it doesn't have to break the bank.  I'll throw in a plug for my Grado SR-80e pair.  Really nice sound for about $100

That's the thing though... how many $8k power cords do you think actually get sold per year?  While there's always going to be a market for the wealthy and placebo across all industries, it's not like the purchase of these things is some even remotely common practice.  Most people who are nuts about music aren't dropping anything close to this in my estimation.

/funnily enough, this thread led to some googling.   17k is the new gold standard for power cables it seems:
https://blinkhighend.com/shop/cables/n​ordost-cables/nordost-power-cords/nord​ost-norse-2-heimdall-power-cord/

//Music Hall turntable, NAD cd player, ELAC towers that I got for 1/2 off during xmas, and an ancient Sony V444es that I bought off a roommate 16 years ago for like $200 bucks.   My wallet and ears are pretty happy.


I bought a friend a roll of Monster speaker cable for Christmas. Listening after installing it, his wife entered the room and said "Did you get new speakers"?
 
2020-07-23 9:58:59 PM  

kab: Glockenspiel Hero:

It's for audiophiles, defined as people who listen to their sound systems rather than to music.

And on this site, an audiophile is someone with better gear than a pair of Beatz.

/hearing new elements in music you thought you knew well is fun.


Years ago, I was at Herman Audio in Ft Worth just down the street from TCU. Guy put on La Grange in their living room setup. If I'd not had my eyes open, I would have sworn Frank Beard was right there.
 
2020-07-23 10:05:05 PM  
If I like the song or music then I can deal with whatever quality the current set up is producing...with blown speakers being the acception or if the recording is clipping. I can hear the differences, But on average most setups sound good enough to my ears.

But there are songs and bands that still won't sound good to me no matter the quality of an expensive setup.

Sounds like sh*t
 
2020-07-23 10:05:28 PM  

Thosw: kab: Glockenspiel Hero:

It's for audiophiles, defined as people who listen to their sound systems rather than to music.

And on this site, an audiophile is someone with better gear than a pair of Beatz.

/hearing new elements in music you thought you knew well is fun.

Years ago, I was at Herman Audio in Ft Worth just down the street from TCU. Guy put on La Grange in their living room setup. If I'd not had my eyes open, I would have sworn Frank Beard was right there.


That takes crazy money though. And the willingness to sacrifice the utility of a space to proper speaker placement. K-Horns are my favorite example. In the right room, nothing beats them for the price. In the wrong room they suck. 901s are another now underappreciated speaker. Set them up normally, they sound like nothing. Set them up like PA speakers and they are fantastic party speakers. They were never designed for cfritical listening, more a comeback to the huge cabinet trend. Still a killer deal brand new BTW.
 
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