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2020-07-23 2:56:08 PM  
82 votes:
It's sexist.  The women should follow the letter of the policy, and apply Groucho Marx style eyebrows and mustache.   "There.  Policy followed.  Are there any questions?  Would we like to maybe rethink this policy, or shall we attend the next zoom meeting as Pennywise?"
 
2020-07-23 2:39:27 PM  
65 votes:
I care as much about make-up during zoom meetings as I do about pants.
 
2020-07-23 4:11:43 PM  
46 votes:

Nina9: Yes.
Next question.

...and would it kill you to smile a little bit more???

 
2020-07-23 4:12:41 PM  
43 votes:
Yes, it's sexist.

They should smile more, though.
 
2020-07-23 4:42:14 PM  
31 votes:

Scythed: Any organizational manager who requires video meetings for no good reason should be shot. Voice works fine.


Well, most of the time anyway ...

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2020-07-23 4:36:51 PM  
29 votes:
Yes it's sexist. Though I also think it's sexist that people ask me when I'm going to start shaving again. It's like, dude, my balls are my business.
 
2020-07-23 4:29:49 PM  
25 votes:

Goldensummer: There are exceptions for businesses where makeup is considered part of the uniform like theater or cosmetics or striping.


??

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2020-07-23 4:18:17 PM  
25 votes:
Is it sexist? Yes, but that doesn't mean it's a bad thing. I think its okay for companies to tell women to wear make up if they are going to be talking to the public or to people from other businesses.  The company should have the right to present a professional image.  However, if it's just a short Zoom meeting between a few co-workers, they shouldn't require it.
 
2020-07-23 4:19:24 PM  
22 votes:
Re: Drag Kings

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What, it's even a full face of makeup. Contoured, highlighted.
 
Xai [TotalFark]
2020-07-23 3:07:07 PM  
21 votes:
If it's a meeting with clients and everyone is being asked to present a professional image then no, if it's for the 'benefit' of male employees, which is what I suspect, then yes.
 
2020-07-23 5:34:27 PM  
20 votes:
NotThatGuyAgain:
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Is thisa what y'all want?

/Mugshot from a different greenlighted article


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"Do you think I'm sexy?"
 
2020-07-23 4:34:27 PM  
19 votes:

Xai: If it's a meeting with clients and everyone is being asked to present a professional image then no, if it's for the 'benefit' of male employees, which is what I suspect, then yes.


I'll agree with the caveat that the request be as gender neutral and as common sense as possible.

We've had similar discussions at my workplace, and the consensus boiled down to this: if it's a zoom meeting with a client, do us proud & be presentable. If it's a zoom meeting with coworkers, have basic personal hygiene.

Also, this:
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2020-07-23 4:23:12 PM  
19 votes:
If I was a lady and my boss told me that I would show up the next day like King Diamond

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2020-07-23 4:16:56 PM  
19 votes:
I have never worn makeup.

If you asked me to wear makeup, and probably utterly destroy my skin in the process. I'm going full tilt clown. Pennywise, Bozo? Maybe Deulla Dent?

Also, fun fact, you can use contour makeup to Drag King too. Maybe I'll look up Drag King makeup tutorials and arrive in the Zoom meeting as the man I'd never been until that moment.

/you never know
 
2020-07-23 5:55:32 PM  
17 votes:

SumoJeb: Xai: If it's a meeting with clients and everyone is being asked to present a professional image then no, if it's for the 'benefit' of male employees, which is what I suspect, then yes.

unless the employee is a farking clown, facepaint is not part of a professional image.


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Whether this is evidence for or against the quoted statement, I leave as an exercise for the reader.
 
2020-07-23 4:14:22 PM  
17 votes:
Meh, people on Zoom wants me to get a tramp stamp and wear a thong
/I'm a 42 year old dude
 
2020-07-23 4:14:33 PM  
15 votes:
Just smear a little Vaseline on the lens.
 
2020-07-23 4:13:42 PM  
13 votes:
I always require men to wear a shirt and pants, but not women. Is that sexist?
 
2020-07-23 4:10:04 PM  
12 votes:
Well, dress for the job.  Go topless. *shrug*
 
2020-07-23 5:11:04 PM  
11 votes:
I consider this to be the best lipstick application tutorial in the world:

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2020-07-23 4:19:29 PM  
11 votes:

Devolving_Spud: It's sexist.  The women should follow the letter of the policy, and apply Groucho Marx style eyebrows and mustache.   "There.  Policy followed.  Are there any questions?  Would we like to maybe rethink this policy, or shall we attend the next zoom meeting as Pennywise?"


And all the men should wear makeup in solidarity.
 
2020-07-23 4:15:36 PM  
11 votes:
At least wash last night's dried spooge off your face.

/ we're trying to have a civilization here
 
2020-07-23 4:12:19 PM  
11 votes:
They don't ask me to wear pants, so I don't ask them to wear makeup.
 
2020-07-23 4:27:58 PM  
10 votes:

UNC_Samurai: Xai: If it's a meeting with clients and everyone is being asked to present a professional image then no, if it's for the 'benefit' of male employees, which is what I suspect, then yes.

Does a woman have to wear make-up to present a professional image?


Depends what kind of profession I suppose.

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2020-07-23 4:23:04 PM  
10 votes:
Just put on clothes.  The bra decision is up to you but I think keeping nipples off of Zoom calls is probably a good place to draw a line for both workplace decency and etiquette in general... Unless your job is in the high fashion world where it's bad etiquette to NOT accent your nipples somehow.

Also, multiple Zoom videos in multiple houses in your neighborhood kills bandwidth.  You may just be better off killing the video feed altogether.

/Unless Janice from Marketing Communications is showing her nipples again.
 
2020-07-23 2:38:58 PM  
10 votes:
Are the men being asked to wear make-up?   No?

Then yes, it is sexist.
 
2020-07-23 5:00:48 PM  
9 votes:
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Is thisa what y'all want?

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2020-07-23 4:17:02 PM  
9 votes:
No and no.
 
2020-07-23 8:57:56 PM  
8 votes:
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2020-07-23 4:08:41 PM  
8 votes:
If anyone asks me to do my hair (I just throw it in a ponytail) or wear makeup, I will personally drive to their house and cover them in spray tan.  "There, farkwad!  How do YOU like wearing a coating of stuff all day just for 1 stupid conference call where you're all on your phones anyway??"
 
2020-07-23 7:11:36 PM  
7 votes:
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2020-07-23 4:30:03 PM  
7 votes:
The expectations for a Zoom meeting should be the same as those for an in-person meeting. If your employer has a required level of visual expectations for you as a representative of their company, you should be expected to follow those same expectations online.

Why is this even an issue?
 
2020-07-23 4:19:08 PM  
7 votes:
This is when it might be convenient for your computer to start experiencing "technical difficulties" with its camera.

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2020-07-23 2:38:10 PM  
7 votes:
I don't know if it is or isn't legal (probably depends on what country or state/province you're in), but I think it is sexist and should be illegal.
 
2020-07-23 4:57:36 PM  
6 votes:
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2020-07-23 4:43:56 PM  
6 votes:

Bad Luck Schleprock: The expectations for a Zoom meeting should be the same as those for an in-person meeting. If your employer has a required level of visual expectations for you as a representative of their company, you should be expected to follow those same expectations online.

Why is this even an issue?


I am not a trained psychologist and most of my clients are the imaginary personalities that I have imprinted onto my stuffed animals, but in the course of my training and studies and career, I have determined that the typical individual on Fark Dot Com (and particularly those posting in the Politics Tab) suffers from low self-esteem.

What this means is that because of an inability to develop self-confidence and achieve meaningful life goals, the result of a sheltered middle-class upbringing in which they experienced no adversity, they are offended by everyone and everything.  If they do not have something to be offended by in that particular moment, they will actively search for it.

They now actively seek out life experiences which justify their state of mind, this article (and discussion thread) are one of those moments.  The result is that Farkers will use this thread (and others) on the path to making the world a better place, while openly bemoaning how they will never have children because the world will not be a better place.

They will read this post and they will think about replying, but the sad truth is that even on digital messageboards, they know they are weak and powerless to stop dominant alphas such as myself, the Chads and Stacys who write multiple paragraphs as though they are handing in a one-hundred-word essay to their teacher.

They will cower at the thought of conflict because they lack the self-esteem to confront those who belittle them.  They will politely upvote this post and they will move on, while people such as myself move on to better things, like the next season of that anime where the high school girls find out the teachers are the vampires who roam the night.

Makes you wonder why the vampires hold all the classes at night.  Must have something to do with Japanese culture.
 
2020-07-23 4:20:42 PM  
6 votes:
I never understood the appeal of makeup. My wife wears none and she's much prettier without it. Why do some women feel the need to dress like clowns? When I was younger and dating, any girl with makeup on was an instant no.
 
2020-07-23 8:03:23 PM  
5 votes:
Farkers I had previously favored as racist are also sexist, no surprise there.
 
2020-07-23 5:24:30 PM  
5 votes:

cwheelie: what next? no calling chicks "babe"?


Broads hate that.
 
2020-07-23 4:43:33 PM  
5 votes:

Snarfangel: Look, being a clown or a mime requires makeup, even on Zoom.


You do you know the mimes aren't cheating by muting their mics?
 
2020-07-23 4:34:52 PM  
5 votes:

Dewey Fidalgo: Are the men being asked to wear make-up?   No?

Then yes, it is sexist.


You almost got to the solution.  Make the men wear make up too.  Problem solved.
 
2020-07-23 4:13:18 PM  
5 votes:

Derp Du Jour: Nina9: Yes.
Next question.

...and would it kill you to smile a little bit more???


*tiny fist*
 
2020-07-23 4:12:48 PM  
5 votes:
There should be no such work requirement in any context. Unless you're a clown.
 
2020-07-24 4:58:56 PM  
4 votes:

AmbassadorBooze: This solution will take longer, but if we only allow the ultra beautiful to breed, eventually we won't need makeup.  Problem solved.  Just eliminate uggos.


I misread that as "eliminate juggs" and thought we were going to have to thrown down!
 
2020-07-23 6:19:10 PM  
4 votes:
I think so.  That's why for my zoom meetings, the ladies aren't required to wear anything at all. In fact, I encourage...hold on, HR is calling.
 
2020-07-23 5:56:19 PM  
4 votes:

whidbey: patowen: whidbey: patowen: whidbey: patowen: It's capitalism folks.  Sure, pass a "no-makeup" rule at your company.  Equitable and progressive.

But your competitors might not be so like-minded.  If they start making more profit because their sales people look attractive then your investors might want a re-think on your policies.

That's a nice way of justifying sexism.

You don't think sex sells?

You don't think you're being sexist?

I'm just observing.  Do you think I got it wrong?  Hey, I'm all for equity and progress.  But I think capitalism doesn't care much about that stuff, it cares about profit.

The reproductive sex drive is insanely powerful and nearly universal, and now you're telling me I *can't* use it to sell soap?  The board of directors won't like that.

See bolded part.   That means you're not.


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2020-07-23 5:49:47 PM  
4 votes:
Just wear your mask to Zoom meetings. You live with your mom, she's not very healthy.

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2020-07-23 5:17:05 PM  
4 votes:

patowen: whidbey: patowen: It's capitalism folks.  Sure, pass a "no-makeup" rule at your company.  Equitable and progressive.

But your competitors might not be so like-minded.  If they start making more profit because their sales people look attractive then your investors might want a re-think on your policies.

That's a nice way of justifying sexism.

You don't think sex sells?


Not to Whidbey they don't, not for any amount.
 
2020-07-23 5:06:27 PM  
4 votes:

KidKorporate: They don't ask me to wear pants, so I don't ask them to wear makeup.


Actually, there have been several requests you either wear pants or stop sitting so far back from the camera.
 
2020-07-23 4:43:47 PM  
4 votes:
Also, unless actually seeing a face is VITAL to the job, all employee units should be given a Unique identification string and a face mask that makes them faceless drones.  No gender, no name, no personal histories, items of flare.  Just working towards the goal of the company until the time to clock out.  If unit BSzUfCtL4Lh73rFEfn9be6j4 is working on the project and Unit 12546666666589 needs information about the project, they just dial up  unit BSzUfCtL4Lh73rFEfn9be6j4 on their company comm device, exchange the info, and then disconnect.  No gender needed.  No face needed.  Hell, it may have been that unit BSzUfCtL4Lh73rFEfn9be6j4 was replaced with a robot last year.  Unless the information exchange REQUIRES meat, why would unit 12546666666589 care if BSzUfCtL4Lh73rFEfn9be6j4 is meat or not?
 
2020-07-23 4:43:00 PM  
4 votes:

KidKorporate: They don't ask me to wear pants, so I don't ask them to wear makeup.


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2020-07-23 4:22:24 PM  
4 votes:

Boo_Guy: Anyone know what happened to the weirdly small waisted Russian girl thread?

It was nuked from existence before I could read it.

/this post will self destruct in 3,2,1..


I saw the pics. Poor girl waisted away and took the thread with her.
 
2020-07-23 4:13:11 PM  
4 votes:
Yeah on both counts but if you play your cards right you can walk away with a small fine and some light community service...um...or so I heard.
 
2020-07-23 6:56:33 PM  
3 votes:

AmbassadorBooze: Also, unless actually seeing a face is VITAL to the job, all employee units should be given a Unique identification string and a face mask that makes them faceless drones.  No gender, no name, no personal histories, items of flare.  Just working towards the goal of the company until the time to clock out.  If unit BSzUfCtL4Lh73rFEfn9be6j4 is working on the project and Unit 12546666666589 needs information about the project, they just dial up  unit BSzUfCtL4Lh73rFEfn9be6j4 on their company comm device, exchange the info, and then disconnect.  No gender needed.  No face needed.  Hell, it may have been that unit BSzUfCtL4Lh73rFEfn9be6j4 was replaced with a robot last year.  Unless the information exchange REQUIRES meat, why would unit 12546666666589 care if BSzUfCtL4Lh73rFEfn9be6j4 is meat or not?


I want to believe that you typed out that entire post in full without using copy and paste at any point.
 
2020-07-23 5:07:04 PM  
3 votes:
The amount of people in this thread who think that wearing make-up is a requirement for women to "look professional" while not also applying that standard to men is just wild.

That line of thinking is sexist, even if it's just subconscious and even if you're big on feminism. That's how deeply pervasive this shiat is in our society. You're exhibiting a taught bias. And that's okay! This learned crap runs deep. Just recognize that it is a bias and work to check yourself in the future.
 
2020-07-23 4:55:31 PM  
3 votes:

patowen: It's capitalism folks.  Sure, pass a "no-makeup" rule at your company.  Equitable and progressive.

But your competitors might not be so like-minded.  If they start making more profit because their sales people look attractive then your investors might want a re-think on your policies.


That's a nice way of justifying sexism.
 
2020-07-23 4:50:52 PM  
3 votes:

Leader O'Cola: No makeup? Fine.

Just dont ask men to shave or wear a suit or tie. Since it's all about standards of visual professional decorum.


False equivalence much?
 
2020-07-23 4:46:37 PM  
3 votes:
No makeup? Fine.

Just dont ask men to shave or wear a suit or tie. Since it's all about standards of visual professional decorum.
 
2020-07-23 4:38:03 PM  
3 votes:
How about mandatory Snapchat filters for everyone

/fark all your faces, my fellow employees
 
2020-07-23 4:36:07 PM  
3 votes:
If I participated in a video meeting (and I'm male) and any comment was made or any request was stated about anyone needing to wear makeup, I would scream, cuss and end the call if I could.  No place for that talk.  I have no idea if it's illegal, but I damn sure won't share bytes with anyone that thinks like that, male or female.  If I was in a position to fire the person who commented, I would then and there in front of everyone on the call.  Then, I would mail them their last check with a gift card to Ulta and a big steaming bag of shiat.
 
2020-07-23 4:31:22 PM  
3 votes:

angryjd: No and no.


Yes, actually, and discrimination is illegal.

You're welcome.
 
2020-07-23 4:30:12 PM  
3 votes:
Normally I'd say yes.  Because I was taught that treating someone different due to an immutable characteristic from birth over which they have no control is wrong.  But thankfully I became woke, anti-racist, and anti-sexist.  So NOW the only proper thing is to treat men and women differently, as well as people of different races.  Because that's what a good liberal does.
 
2020-07-23 4:28:13 PM  
3 votes:
If I was her coworker I would have popped on over the pharmacy (with mask, of course), and purchased some lipstick and blush and would have applied it before the next meeting with the boss. And, Yes, I am a man. And, No, I would not care if I got in trouble for it.
 
2020-07-23 4:25:12 PM  
3 votes:

Marcos P: If I was a lady and my boss told me that I would show up the next day like King Diamond

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YOU. I like the cut of your jib.
 
2020-07-23 4:18:22 PM  
3 votes:
Anyone know what happened to the weirdly small waisted Russian girl thread?

It was nuked from existence before I could read it.

/this post will self destruct in 3,2,1..
 
2020-07-23 4:16:37 PM  
3 votes:
How sexist and tone deaf of their CEO.

In the meantime, how about she trade me with my essential job, and she go out in public and expose herself to covid, and I'll stay home and put make up on and sit on my ass on a webcam?

Real tired of white collar people and their "issues" staying home and being safe.
 
2020-07-23 10:49:22 PM  
2 votes:

Dewey Fidalgo: Are the men being asked to wear make-up?   No?

Then yes, it is sexist.


We were asked to at my office....I'd rather not talk about it.
 
2020-07-23 6:54:12 PM  
2 votes:

winedrinkingman: leave it up to them to decide what that means.


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2020-07-23 6:15:54 PM  
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2020-07-23 6:05:32 PM  
2 votes:

stray_capts: Goldensummer: angryjd: No and no.

Yes and likely yes.

If the policy only effects one gender it is sexist. If it effects promotions, treatment or hiring it is likely illegal because it targets one gender and isn't applied equally. There are specific rules that govern this in the US.  There are exceptions for businesses where makeup is considered part of the uniform like theater or cosmetics or striping.
I worked in retail for twelve years in management and managed multi million dollar locations of high end boutiques and NEVER wore makeup. I'm clean, well styled and wore what we sold. I had exactly one manager who tried to tell me I had to and corporate had to inform him that he was incorrect.

I'm curious about the "if men and women are treated differently it is sexist" part.  My work has different dress code for men and women.  Is that sexist?  Personally, I don't care if dudes wear dresses but it IS against the dress code.

Difficulty: My employer is the US Govt.


In Sweden, male train operators started wearing skirts in the summer because the company dress code didn't permit shorts but skirts were allowed:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe​-​22828150
 
2020-07-23 5:45:49 PM  
2 votes:
If you ask one person you better ask all of them to wear makeup. And try not to look so fat and stupid.
 
2020-07-23 5:38:20 PM  
2 votes:

patowen: whidbey: patowen: whidbey: patowen: It's capitalism folks.  Sure, pass a "no-makeup" rule at your company.  Equitable and progressive.

But your competitors might not be so like-minded.  If they start making more profit because their sales people look attractive then your investors might want a re-think on your policies.

That's a nice way of justifying sexism.

You don't think sex sells?

You don't think you're being sexist?

I'm just observing.  Do you think I got it wrong?  Hey, I'm all for equity and progress.  But I think capitalism doesn't care much about that stuff, it cares about profit.

The reproductive sex drive is insanely powerful and nearly universal, and now you're telling me I *can't* use it to sell soap?  The board of directors won't like that.


Good lord, don't feed Whidbey logic.
 
2020-07-23 5:26:36 PM  
2 votes:
I've never done this before but...

brigid_fitch: If anyone asks me to do my hair (I just throw it in a ponytail) or wear makeup, I will personally drive to their house and cover them in spray tan.  "There, farkwad!  How do YOU like wearing a coating of stuff all day just for 1 stupid conference call where you're all on your phones anyway??"


username checks out.  :p

/in agreement with you though
 
2020-07-23 5:22:08 PM  
2 votes:

Ringshadow: Leader O'Cola: Since it's all about standards of visual professional decorum.

Makeup has literally nothing to do with that.


how is it any different than shaving your facial hair   (male) ?
 
2020-07-23 5:21:51 PM  
2 votes:

NotThatGuyAgain: patowen: whidbey: patowen: It's capitalism folks.  Sure, pass a "no-makeup" rule at your company.  Equitable and progressive.

But your competitors might not be so like-minded.  If they start making more profit because their sales people look attractive then your investors might want a re-think on your policies.

That's a nice way of justifying sexism.

You don't think sex sells?

Not to Whidbey they don't, not for any amount.


*the point*

you  ---------->
 
2020-07-23 5:19:20 PM  
2 votes:
what next? no calling chicks "babe"?
 
2020-07-23 5:11:20 PM  
2 votes:
If every man and woman gets the identical instruction to wear makeup then it is probably legal.

...Though a bit creepy and authoritarian.  Some people just need to learn to mind their own business.


If it is only aimed at women then farking yes it is illegal, sexist, and immoral.  What the fark is wrong with you people?
 
2020-07-23 5:03:22 PM  
2 votes:
Next video meeting, I'm using a puppet behind my desk.

Seriously tho, in Canada it would be illegal, but difficult to enforce because everyone is to polite to ask.
 
2020-07-23 5:01:50 PM  
2 votes:

patowen: whidbey: patowen: It's capitalism folks.  Sure, pass a "no-makeup" rule at your company.  Equitable and progressive.

But your competitors might not be so like-minded.  If they start making more profit because their sales people look attractive then your investors might want a re-think on your policies.

That's a nice way of justifying sexism.

You don't think sex sells?


You don't think you're being sexist?
 
2020-07-23 4:41:27 PM  
2 votes:
Depends on the context.

If you are customer facing, even online, then yes, men are shaved, everyone is dressed professionally (for the context), and yes, that usually means the women look presentable too, whether or not that in ludes makeup is up to them.

If it is strictly internal, fark the make up, and fark any condition that the men need to shave.
 
2020-07-23 4:27:58 PM  
2 votes:
Is asking them to do them topless okay?
 
2020-07-23 4:27:27 PM  
2 votes:

Ringshadow: I have never worn makeup.

If you asked me to wear makeup, and probably utterly destroy my skin in the process. I'm going full tilt clown. Pennywise, Bozo? Maybe Deulla Dent?

Also, fun fact, you can use contour makeup to Drag King too. Maybe I'll look up Drag King makeup tutorials and arrive in the Zoom meeting as the man I'd never been until that moment.

/you never know


Be sure to wear the fuzzy mittens and put the shoe on your head. I kinda like that look. I have no idea of the backstory and it is better that way.
 
2020-07-23 4:19:13 PM  
2 votes:

UNC_Samurai: Xai: If it's a meeting with clients and everyone is being asked to present a professional image then no, if it's for the 'benefit' of male employees, which is what I suspect, then yes.

Does a woman have to wear make-up to present a professional image?


Some women can look put together without makeup. A lot of them look like Winston Churchill in a wig.
 
2020-07-23 4:09:30 PM  
2 votes:

Xai: If it's a meeting with clients and everyone is being asked to present a professional image then no, if it's for the 'benefit' of male employees, which is what I suspect, then yes.


Does a woman have to wear make-up to present a professional image?
 
2020-07-23 3:12:36 PM  
2 votes:
Yes.
Next question.
 
2020-07-23 2:50:55 PM  
2 votes:
Sexist? Yes. Illegal? Probably.
 
2020-07-24 3:29:48 PM  
1 vote:
This solution will take longer, but if we only allow the ultra beautiful to breed, eventually we won't need makeup.  Problem solved.  Just eliminate uggos.
 
2020-07-24 11:29:12 AM  
1 vote:

Murkanen: the money is in the banana stand:

The two go hand-in-hand on many of occasions.

A very rare handful of occasions, and one of those occasions isn't even legal in the US outside of limited jurisdictions in Nevada.  The rest of the time?  If you're fine with doing business with average, or ugly, men then the women you interact with shouldn't need to doll themselves up for your visual pleasure to get the same courtesy.


Look, the same goes true for men. In most professions, "looking professional" means dressing well, grooming yourself, taking care of yourself, and looking attractive. Men or women, it does not matter. People want to naturally do business with attractive people and trust them more. Just human nature. Might not like it, but it is the truth. There are different standards for beauty and what constitutes being attractive and looking professional for men or women, get over it.
 
2020-07-24 11:24:37 AM  
1 vote:

orbister: the money is in the banana stand: Take that to a court room or virtually any sales position and you just won't be taken seriously if you look like a slob.

And failure to wear makeup is looking like a slob?


I specifically did not say that. You chose to selectively edit my post. Not all women look the same without makeup. When some do not wear makeup, they have the appearance of being disheveled. You might not like the truth, but that's it.
 
2020-07-24 3:08:56 AM  
1 vote:

orbister: Xai: If it's a meeting with clients and everyone is being asked to present a professional image then no, if it's for the 'benefit' of male employees, which is what I suspect, then yes.

What's "professional" about wearing make-up?


Like it or not, it is only human for us to make judgements based on someone's appearance. If you look like you DGAF, you are going to be treated that way. Some women can  pull it off and actually look better without make-up, some overdo it and and it makes them look worse, and some look sickly and frail unless they put on some make-up (sorry just the truth). In some industries, it does not matter, but your appearance is taken into account in most and will be judged. You end up being a reflection on the company as well. It is hard to have a vague policy like "Dress professionally" when people take that to mean different things entirely.
 
2020-07-24 12:27:39 AM  
1 vote:

austerity101: It seems a lot of farkers have never found themselves having to challenge dress codes before.  That's not a dig--I'm just surprised, because Fark seems like such a motley crew of people who love to find ways to bend and break the rules and stand out from the crowd.

Anyway, dress codes and their legal status is complicated and stupid.  Basically, as the laws stand, you can have separate dress codes for men and women provided thatthe burden of appearance is relatively balanced between the sexes.  So you can make women wear makeup, if you make men shave and use product in their hair.  Women can be made to shave/wear stockings, while men are made to wear suits.  It's all very dumb and affords employers and the law very wide latitude in enforcement.

All because the Supreme Court, in their infinite cowardice, has really, really not wanted to wander into that miasma, because they knew if they did, it would throw our entire society's idea of sex and gender into upheaval, and if nothing else, the Supreme Court is careful to a fault about not wanting to upend society if they can help it.  (It's a shame, because they probably have more power than anyone else to change society, and they by and large refuse to flex that power.)

Now, we did just have a Supreme Court ruling that could potentially turn all of these dress codes on their ear, because we now have even more robust opinions regarding employment and discrimination based on sex, so I'm anticipating that people will start to challenge these codes.  Especially since we've been in lockdown for a while and a lot of people are starting to realize just how stupid and pointless so many of these dress code demands really were.   

One thing that rarely gets dissected properly is just what "professionalism" is--we generally just tautologically define it as "that which looks professional," and employee handbooks are kept deliberately vague on this front in order to keep the power concentrated in the corporation.  But it is a fact that our sense of "professionalism" in appearance is absolutely based in white supremacy, hetero-normativity, and patriarchy--that is, our sense of what is and isn't professional is based on what straight, white, cisgender men like and want to see.

(I'm sure some of you are going, "I'm one of those and I don't like it!", and you're missing the point--I'm talking about society, not you, individually.)

We see this most obviously in the way we police Black women's hair:  most notably, employers love to demand that Black women straighten their hair, which they never require of white women, despite the fact that white women can also have kinky and curly hair.  And relaxed hair is expensive and labor-intensive, not to mention painful--yet we're happy to keep making Black women do it so that they can fit ourmold of what we've decided, as a whites-dominated society, is and is not acceptable.  They are having to alter their bodies because we decided that their bodies, as naturally occurring, are unacceptable in the workplace.  That's really messed up.  

But this goes for everything else, too:  besides being washed and clothed in clean clothes, what makes these things "professional"?  Makeup, jewelry?  Suits?  Ties?  Leather shoes?  Heels?  None of these things are inherently professional or unprofessional--we have simply allowed the dominant culture to decide that they are.  Are dashikis professional?  How about Indian-subcontinent or Middle Eastern garb?  Why or why not?

And I haven't even gotten into the monkey wrench that are gender identity and gender expression, which most people don't realize aren't even the same thing--and it's likely that the Supreme Court ruling is going to allow for these gender lines to be blurred even more, because how can you now disallow a man from doing something you'd allow a woman?  The SC ruling was very clear that you cannot do this.  So will that mean if skirts are allowed, will men get to wear them?  I hope so, because men should have been allowed their own gender expression from the beginning, just like women.  And there are people who are neither men nor women--people who are gender non-conforming, gender-fluid, Two Spirit, et cetera.  And then there are people who are neither male nor female, being intersex (whom we used to call "hermaphrodites," but that word is now considered outmoded and offense, like "transsexual" and "Negro")--what are they supposed to wear, since they don't fit into eithercategory?

The whole thing is stupid.  Makeup is stupid.  "Professionalism" is stupid.  Be clean, be relatively friendly, and get your job done.  That's all that really matters.

Oh, and fark your client's bigotry.  You couldn't fire someone for being Black because your clients are racist assholes, and you shouldn't be able to fire a woman for not wearing makeup just because your clients are a bunch of middle-aged chauvinistic farkwads.  Stop leaning on capitalism to justify your bigotry.


This!

Jesus Christ, ppl, what is wrong with you? Slap your selves.
😔
 
2020-07-24 12:21:24 AM  
1 vote:

cew-smoke: Why are men not considered "professional" when they wear makeup?


Because Beau Brummel thought make-up of the 18th century was foppish and unbenefiting a manly appearance, and made the lack of make-up a signature of the Dandy style.  Because Brummel was good friends with the King of England at the height of British Empire, and the King took all of his fashion advice from Brummel, the Dandy style came to define men's fashion for a century, and still defines male professional fashion, with only one slight alteration.

The Dandy style, according to Brummel, was define by several key characteristics:
* Men do not wear make-up.
* Men wear their hair short and are clean-shaven.
* Men wear trousers, a shirt, a jacket and a neck tie.
* The jacket is a dark color, the shirt is white, and the trousers are white.

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The long tailed tuxedo is the most direct descendant of this look. By the industrial age, the trousers had become dark as well, and the neck tie was defined as the modern tie, with other forms of neckwear falling out of favor.  Suits became less form fitting and boxier until they become the modern business uniform, eventually evolving into this very 1950s look:

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Women never had a Beau Brummell to come along and declare that make-up was no longer cool, hip or stylish, and by the time women started complaining that make-up was oppressive, there no longer existed celebrities with sufficient cachet to affect women's fashion globally the way Geogre IV could as king of a globe spanning empire.
 
2020-07-23 11:02:09 PM  
1 vote:
What, no pics of Tammy Faye Baker?
 
2020-07-23 10:39:01 PM  
1 vote:

Idiot Stick Bearer: Please oh please do this and post a pic


Sadly, I do not own makeup at all and I hesitate to try a Drag King look as heavily tempted as I am. I really, really do not want hives.

Ishidan: Coming from you, that's amazing. Put on a full body hazmat suit and dive into the greasy depths of the pipe runs of a power plant? Can do. Maybelline? Maybe go fark yourself.


¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I just never have. Mom tried desperately to get me into it but like, I could barely put in the effort to keep my hair in a ponytail when it was long. Then my skin shiat the bed and we were struggling to even find soap I could use so it fell by the wayside. Turns out I don't really like looking feminine. Which works because I don't really have a gender. And now it's a blessing, less stuff on my face to cause chaos.

Shampoo is the actual worst though. Free and clear shampoos are few and far between and don't actually seem to do their job. I have to use cetaphil baby shampoo because cetaphil cannot be arsed to make an adult shampoo. Adult face wash? Of course! Shampoo, why would they do that? Ugh.

Kit Fister: you're right, shaving with sensitive skin sucks. Between the cuts and bleeding, the razor burn, and the horrible facial rash as the hair grows out again, not to mention the Velcro face stage...I'd rather do makeup. At least I wouldn't feel like I blow torched my face and look like a teenage with severe acne.


I have rosacea 1 2 and 4, adult acne, contact dermatitis and psoriasis.

Oh, and by the way, I can't even work if I have any open wounds. So if I break out badly or violently react to something... like, say, makeup... guess what?

Also there is nothing farking funnier than seeing another female who had a full face of makeup on pull a respirator off and she now has a ring of naked skin because the makeup stayed on the respirator seal.

/my dermatologists, all to a single one, have breathed sighs of relief when I say I don't wear makeup
//fun fact, women have the same problems when they shave dude, just not on their face. yeah.
 
2020-07-23 10:09:52 PM  
1 vote:

trialpha: If there are any standards pertaining to beards, ie. "must be neat and trim", those standards are thus sexist, since they apply only to men.


Not quite. There's nothing in there about who's allowed (or not allowed) to wear a beard, just that if you wear one, it be neat and trim. If Barb from Accounting wants to wear a beard, and can grow one, it's all good. Just so long as it's neat and trim.
 
2020-07-23 9:19:17 PM  
1 vote:

waxbeans: khatores: waxbeans: Be calm and Carry on can EABOSCD.

Ever After Be Originally Super and Chronically Dead?


Legalize drugs, ppl, if u want every one so damn Fu*king calm.
😠

What about meditation?

What about blow job?
🙄


That works too.
 
2020-07-23 8:30:31 PM  
1 vote:

Nobody in Peculiar: I know plenty of men in professional jobs that don't shave. Some trim their beards, some don't. It really isn't the same thing as saying 'you should wear make-up' to a woman.


If there are any standards pertaining to beards, ie. "must be neat and trim", those standards are thus sexist, since they apply only to men. Even implied "must maintain professional appearance" is sexist, because again, only men have beards.

The end result being that you can only have standards that are capable of being applied to both men and women. Despite, you know, men and women being different and thus warranting different standards... never mind that.
 
2020-07-23 8:22:26 PM  
1 vote:

Leader O'Cola: Now, with that said, there are some jobs where literally having facial hair might impede the ability to do work (wearing a chemical exposure mask, for example).


Hi bro! Guess what! My job requires a full face respirator. Guess what you can't have when you wear a full face or even a half face? A farking beard.

Guess what doesn't effect my ability to wear respiratory protection? My not wearing makeup.

There are a LOT of jobs where facial hair is going to be frowned upon FOR GOOD farkING REASON, because it's a god damn safety hazard for various reasons. Guess what isn't. The lack, or presence, of makeup.

THESE ARE VERY DIFFERENT THINGS IN THE WORKPLACE.

Also, just say you want women to be pleasant to look at in your eyes man. There's literally no other reason for you to champion this. It has nothing to do with "looking professional."

I'm wrong you say? Okay. I need you to guy buy several makeup palettes and brush up on skill because what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander buddy boy, and I expect a full farking James Charles glam look ready by the end of this week.
 
2020-07-23 7:30:50 PM  
1 vote:

Daedalus27: If we are going to battle out of date sexist work policies, can we please get rid of the tie (which almost exclusively is inflicted on men). It serves no purpose other than having a convenient noose available to anyone interested.


A tie isn't foreign objects placed directly in proximity of your eyes, nose, and mouth are you stupid?
WTF?
Humans are garbage.
 
2020-07-23 7:19:42 PM  
1 vote:

Daedalus27: If we are going to battle out of date sexist work policies, can we please get rid of the tie (which almost exclusively is inflicted on men). It serves no purpose other than having a convenient noose available to anyone interested.


I'll go with the tie should be optional. Same with makeup. I actually really like ties. But go ahead and try to find a properly fitting business suit shirt that will accommodate the boobs of a porn star and NOT end up looking like a server at a high-end restaurant.

I like them because it's an acceptable place to express personality and creativity. You can start a lot of really good business conversations over a good tie.

/my dad was a stereotypical middle manager from the 1980s
 
2020-07-23 7:07:52 PM  
1 vote:

Gordon Bennett: AmbassadorBooze: Also, unless actually seeing a face is VITAL to the job, all employee units should be given a Unique identification string and a face mask that makes them faceless drones.  No gender, no name, no personal histories, items of flare.  Just working towards the goal of the company until the time to clock out.  If unit BSzUfCtL4Lh73rFEfn9be6j4 is working on the project and Unit 12546666666589 needs information about the project, they just dial up  unit BSzUfCtL4Lh73rFEfn9be6j4 on their company comm device, exchange the info, and then disconnect.  No gender needed.  No face needed.  Hell, it may have been that unit BSzUfCtL4Lh73rFEfn9be6j4 was replaced with a robot last year.  Unless the information exchange REQUIRES meat, why would unit 12546666666589 care if BSzUfCtL4Lh73rFEfn9be6j4 is meat or not?

I want to believe that you typed out that entire post in full without using copy and paste at any point.


If it helps, I didn't use spell check.  And hardly ever do.
 
2020-07-23 7:04:32 PM  
1 vote:

NotThatGuyAgain: [sunbeamwhdh.files.wordpress.com image 775x436]
Is thisa what y'all want?

/Mugshot from a different greenlighted article


That was a missed opportunity for the headline "Chihuahua steals mop".


While this discourse would be inappropriate at any time, it's especially harmful during periods of high anxiety.

"There were some meetings where I didn't even turn on my web camera because I'd been crying, and I didn't want people to see my red, puffy face."


I don't think women should have to wear makeup in any situation unless they want to.

As for the high levels of anxiety right now, things suck but unfortunately it might be something that most or all of us just have to learn to get used to handling. Climate change, greater conflict with China, rising levels of inequality and COVID-19 as well as other diseases probably aren't going away anytime soon.

With so many other factors outside of one's control, anxiety is actually the one thing most people can control. Stop using Facebook/Twitter/etc and focus on doing something productive.
 
2020-07-23 6:32:33 PM  
1 vote:

Magnanimous_J: UNC_Samurai: Xai: If it's a meeting with clients and everyone is being asked to present a professional image then no, if it's for the 'benefit' of male employees, which is what I suspect, then yes.

Does a woman have to wear make-up to present a professional image?

Some women can look put together without makeup. A lot of them look like Winston Churchill in a wig.


Oh, did Winston Churchill put on makeup before every meeting then? That makes me like him better tbh
 
2020-07-23 6:27:29 PM  
1 vote:

brigid_fitch: If anyone asks me to do my hair (I just throw it in a ponytail) or wear makeup, I will personally drive to their house and cover them in spray tan.  "There, farkwad!  How do YOU like wearing a coating of stuff all day just for 1 stupid conference call where you're all on your phones anyway??"


Holy shiat, I usually have to pay extra for that!
 
2020-07-23 6:21:46 PM  
1 vote:

patowen: whidbey: patowen: 

See bolded part.   That means you're not.

Dude.  I don't like capitalism.  I'm being cynical here.  Work with me.

Is this what long ferry lines, windstorms and jet noise do to you?  Maybe you should try Orcas.


You have a point about the jet noise.   God I hate those farkers.
 
2020-07-23 6:15:38 PM  
1 vote:

Devolving_Spud: It's sexist.  The women should follow the letter of the policy, and apply Groucho Marx style eyebrows and mustache.   "There.  Policy followed.  Are there any questions?  Would we like to maybe rethink this policy, or shall we attend the next zoom meeting as Pennywise?"


I was thinking more along the lines of KISS or IT.
 
2020-07-23 6:13:45 PM  
1 vote:

Leader O'Cola: No makeup? Fine.

Just dont ask men to shave or wear a suit or tie. Since it's all about standards of visual professional decorum.


It's all about reaching the bottom together.
 
2020-07-23 6:10:27 PM  
1 vote:
Sexist? Yes
Illegal? Probably not. You can refuse. You can also get fired for refusing. Gotta love at-will employment.
 
2020-07-23 5:58:53 PM  
1 vote:

NotThatGuyAgain: whidbey: patowen: whidbey: patowen: whidbey: patowen: It's capitalism folks.  Sure, pass a "no-makeup" rule at your company.  Equitable and progressive.

But your competitors might not be so like-minded.  If they start making more profit because their sales people look attractive then your investors might want a re-think on your policies.

That's a nice way of justifying sexism.

You don't think sex sells?

You don't think you're being sexist?

I'm just observing.  Do you think I got it wrong?  Hey, I'm all for equity and progress.  But I think capitalism doesn't care much about that stuff, it cares about profit.

The reproductive sex drive is insanely powerful and nearly universal, and now you're telling me I *can't* use it to sell soap?  The board of directors won't like that.

See bolded part.   That means you're not.

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Deflection noted.
 
2020-07-23 5:55:15 PM  
1 vote:

NotThatGuyAgain: Good lord, don't feed Whidbey logic.


Actually both of you are avoiding the question:

Do you think you're not sexist?

Logic says you are.
 
2020-07-23 5:54:31 PM  
1 vote:

patowen: whidbey: patowen: whidbey: patowen: It's capitalism folks.  Sure, pass a "no-makeup" rule at your company.  Equitable and progressive.

But your competitors might not be so like-minded.  If they start making more profit because their sales people look attractive then your investors might want a re-think on your policies.

That's a nice way of justifying sexism.

You don't think sex sells?

You don't think you're being sexist?

I'm just observing.  Do you think I got it wrong?  Hey, I'm all for equity and progress.  But I think capitalism doesn't care much about that stuff, it cares about profit.

The reproductive sex drive is insanely powerful and nearly universal, and now you're telling me I *can't* use it to sell soap?  The board of directors won't like that.


See bolded part.   That means you're not.
 
2020-07-23 5:52:58 PM  
1 vote:
THE TRUTH:

All you mofos are ugly and 720+ pixels really shows it off.

please keep your face to about 320 or less, unless you're a professional at the hotness and have professional make up artist hiding your blemishes anyway, men and women alike. 720+ streaming ain't doing you any favors, seriously.
 
2020-07-23 5:51:04 PM  
1 vote:

whidbey: patowen: It's capitalism folks.  Sure, pass a "no-makeup" rule at your company.  Equitable and progressive.

But your competitors might not be so like-minded.  If they start making more profit because their sales people look attractive then your investors might want a re-think on your policies.

That's a nice way of justifying sexism.


"If we let black people stay at our hotel / eat at our restaurant / swim in our pool
Then we will lose all of our white customers" .
This is how segregation was explained to little kids in 1960.
 
2020-07-23 5:39:44 PM  
1 vote:

whidbey: patowen: It's capitalism folks.  Sure, pass a "no-makeup" rule at your company.  Equitable and progressive.

But your competitors might not be so like-minded.  If they start making more profit because their sales people look attractive then your investors might want a re-think on your policies.

That's a nice way of justifying sexism.


It's the Libertarian way, possible profits are put ahead of what's right.
 
2020-07-23 5:36:15 PM  
1 vote:

whidbey: patowen: whidbey: patowen: It's capitalism folks.  Sure, pass a "no-makeup" rule at your company.  Equitable and progressive.

But your competitors might not be so like-minded.  If they start making more profit because their sales people look attractive then your investors might want a re-think on your policies.

That's a nice way of justifying sexism.

You don't think sex sells?

You don't think you're being sexist?


I'm just observing.  Do you think I got it wrong?  Hey, I'm all for equity and progress.  But I think capitalism doesn't care much about that stuff, it cares about profit.

The reproductive sex drive is insanely powerful and nearly universal, and now you're telling me I *can't* use it to sell soap?  The board of directors won't like that.
 
2020-07-23 5:30:17 PM  
1 vote:

ViolentEastCoastCity: Jaws_Victim: How sexist and tone deaf of their CEO.

In the meantime, how about she trade me with my essential job, and she go out in public and expose herself to covid, and I'll stay home and put make up on and sit on my ass on a webcam?

Real tired of white collar people and their "issues" staying home and being safe.

Feminism and equal rights isn't a "white collar" issue.  And I'm sure you'd be pissed off if you were considered lesser at your place of employment if you weren't wearing makeup.

We can't let this crap slide just because the world's on fire.  Now's the time to make changes.


You are right
 
2020-07-23 5:14:51 PM  
1 vote:

brizzle365: its a reasonable request to be presentable.

If the men are being asked to be cleanly groomed (shave and at least try to do something with your hair so it doesn't look like you just rolled out of bed), then its fair and reasonable.

But, what do I know, I have a dick.


Funny how one can look groomed without having to put goo on their face.
 
2020-07-23 5:10:53 PM  
1 vote:

Leader O'Cola: Since it's all about standards of visual professional decorum.


Makeup has literally nothing to do with that.
 
2020-07-23 5:05:15 PM  
1 vote:

Leader O'Cola: whidbey: Leader O'Cola: No makeup? Fine.

Just dont ask men to shave or wear a suit or tie. Since it's all about standards of visual professional decorum.

False equivalence much?

Um it's an inconvenient standard of presentation that doesnt improve actual job performance and only is required of one gender....


Yeah uh, I realized I was being a bit triggerhappy there.   I get it.
 
2020-07-23 5:02:37 PM  
1 vote:
If you think the guy that said this has never offered several women employment or a promotion in exchange for sex, you just haven't thought about it yet.  Go ahead.  Think about it.

/ There it is.
 
2020-07-23 5:02:36 PM  
1 vote:

SirMadness: AmbassadorBooze: Dewey Fidalgo: Are the men being asked to wear make-up?   No?

Then yes, it is sexist.

You almost got to the solution.  Make the men wear make up too.  Problem solved.

As you insist:
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Am I supposed to have a problem with that? Because I don't.
 
2020-07-23 5:01:42 PM  
1 vote:

SirMadness: AmbassadorBooze: Dewey Fidalgo: Are the men being asked to wear make-up?   No?

Then yes, it is sexist.

You almost got to the solution.  Make the men wear make up too.  Problem solved.

As you insist:
[byrdie.com image 650x683]


The future will be glorious.
 
2020-07-23 5:01:08 PM  
1 vote:

RodneyToady: I don't know if it is or isn't legal (probably depends on what country or state/province you're in), but I think it is sexist and should be illegal.


Illegal, or not, it's incredibly stupid.

I don't give a fark if she's wearing makeup, I only care if she can do the assigned work.

/exceptions for models and others who do put on makeup for a living
 
2020-07-23 5:00:03 PM  
1 vote:
Who wants to look at some Uggo every day on a zoom meeting?  Ewwww... put on some damn makeup!
 
2020-07-23 4:57:51 PM  
1 vote:

AmbassadorBooze: Dewey Fidalgo: Are the men being asked to wear make-up?   No?

Then yes, it is sexist.

You almost got to the solution.  Make the men wear make up too.  Problem solved.


As you insist:
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2020-07-23 4:55:05 PM  
1 vote:

Boo_Guy: Anyone know what happened to the weirdly small waisted Russian girl thread?

It was nuked from existence before I could read it.

/this post will self destruct in 3,2,1..


Here's the source article.  You're welcome, I guess.

https://englishrussia.com/2020/07/23/​r​ussian-girl-with-the-amazingly-slender​-waist
 
2020-07-23 4:54:40 PM  
1 vote:

Leader O'Cola: No makeup? Fine.

Just dont ask men to shave or wear a suit or tie. Since it's all about standards of visual professional decorum.


Or ask all the employees to wear makeup, a suit and tie, and to shave their faces.  Yes even the old ladies with a mustache.  If it is universal, it isn't wrong.
 
2020-07-23 4:53:49 PM  
1 vote:
It's capitalism folks.  Sure, pass a "no-makeup" rule at your company.  Equitable and progressive.

But your competitors might not be so like-minded.  If they start making more profit because their sales people look attractive then your investors might want a re-think on your policies.
 
2020-07-23 4:46:41 PM  
1 vote:

Goldensummer: angryjd: No and no.

Yes and likely yes.

If the policy only effects one gender it is sexist. If it effects promotions, treatment or hiring it is likely illegal because it targets one gender and isn't applied equally. There are specific rules that govern this in the US.  There are exceptions for businesses where makeup is considered part of the uniform like theater or cosmetics or striping.
I worked in retail for twelve years in management and managed multi million dollar locations of high end boutiques and NEVER wore makeup. I'm clean, well styled and wore what we sold. I had exactly one manager who tried to tell me I had to and corporate had to inform him that he was incorrect.


I'm curious about the "if men and women are treated differently it is sexist" part.  My work has different dress code for men and women.  Is that sexist?  Personally, I don't care if dudes wear dresses but it IS against the dress code.

Difficulty: My employer is the US Govt.
 
2020-07-23 4:42:44 PM  
1 vote:

Dewey Fidalgo: Are the men being asked to wear make-up?   No?

Then yes, it is sexist.


Well, that was easy, and correct.
 
2020-07-23 4:38:42 PM  
1 vote:
Look, being a clown or a mime requires makeup, even on Zoom.
 
2020-07-23 4:38:03 PM  
1 vote:
I love how Fark is often called a cesspit of progressive lunacy, while said Farkers defend the notion that women can't look professional unless they hide their face.
 
2020-07-23 4:36:16 PM  
1 vote:

Jaws_Victim: How sexist and tone deaf of their CEO.

In the meantime, how about she trade me with my essential job, and she go out in public and expose herself to covid, and I'll stay home and put make up on and sit on my ass on a webcam?

Real tired of white collar people and their "issues" staying home and being safe.


Feminism and equal rights isn't a "white collar" issue.  And I'm sure you'd be pissed off if you were considered lesser at your place of employment if you weren't wearing makeup.

We can't let this crap slide just because the world's on fire.  Now's the time to make changes.
 
2020-07-23 4:36:08 PM  
1 vote:
If a woman wants to wear make-up, that's her choice. There is no circumstance under which a woman should HAVE to wear make-up. None. Zero. Nada.

If I were a woman and someone, especially a man, made a comment that I had to/should wear make-up, I'd like to think the first words out of my mouth would be "where's yours?", closely followed by "fark off".
 
2020-07-23 4:33:37 PM  
1 vote:
That tis has to be even even be talked about reinforces my belief that some people are just around to make life miserable for others. These people need to be purged to make life better.
 
2020-07-23 4:33:18 PM  
1 vote:

Xai: If it's a meeting with clients and everyone is being asked to present a professional image then no, if it's for the 'benefit' of male employees, which is what I suspect, then yes.


I've counted as "professional" at least a few times in my life, and during none of those times was I wearing makeup.

The lack of makeup did not hinder my ability to look or be professional, or to demonstrate my skills to those present.

Women absolutely DO NOT need to wear makeup.  Thanks.
 
2020-07-23 4:28:03 PM  
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someone who believes i cannot fulfill my work obligations without putting on lipstick and mascara (unless my career is "make up model") is probably so deeply sexist they don't even realize it's a sexist thing to believe.

if a face of makeup magically turned a human into a better lawyer, or teacher, or investor, or executive, or chemist, or psychiatrist, or whatever, men's makeup lines would have dominated products marketed to women long ago.

asking women, and only women, to "look pretty for the camera" at a virtual (or physical) work meeting is sexist as f*ck.
 
2020-07-23 4:26:09 PM  
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Magnanimous_J: A lot of [women] look like Winston Churchill in a wig.


So what? As long as they're clean and kempt, what difference does it make?
 
2020-07-23 4:23:07 PM  
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I have been watching the news where the women reporters are not wearing TV makeup. They look fine to me.
 
2020-07-23 4:19:22 PM  
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Unless you require men to wear makeup then yes, asking women to wear it is sexist.
Professional appearance is clothing and coiffure (and hygiene, but hopefully that goes without saying). Women, or men, adding makeup to their look should be strictly voluntary.
 
2020-07-23 4:12:37 PM  
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Is asking women to wear make-up for Zoom meetings sexist and illegal? Hell yeah. The cosmetics industry should be reconverted into medical equipment/substances.
 
hej
2020-07-23 4:10:08 PM  
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Yes, and possibly.
 
2020-07-23 4:09:34 PM  
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Dewey Fidalgo: Are the men being asked to wear make-up?   No?

Then yes, it is sexist.


Done in two.
 
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