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2020-07-23 6:19:20 PM  

Nobody in Peculiar: Leader O'Cola: how is it any different than shaving your facial hair (male) ?
Ringshadow:
Again: I am AFAB and I have literally never worn makeup.

...

So you tell me: how the hell is me going about my life with my face washed (and topicals on) so farking insulting to your sexist ass? Shaving is a FAR cry from makeup, boo.

I know plenty of men in professional jobs that don't shave. Some trim their beards, some don't. It really isn't the same thing as saying 'you should wear make-up' to  a woman.

How would you feel if your employer said you should/must grow a full face beard? Maybe you can't. Maybe you don't want to. But you're now forced to make a decision that you really don't want to make, just because you're a man.

Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems that is how it might feel, for a woman, to be told she should/must wear make-up.



do they (makeup, shaving)  require  the investment of time, effort, $, and possibly cause health or psychological effects  , for the purpose of transforming one's natural appearance, presumably to the established aesthetic standards of those in power?

then no, they aren't really different.
 
2020-07-23 6:20:20 PM  

ByOwlLight: The amount of people in this thread who think that wearing make-up is a requirement for women to "look professional" while not also applying that standard to men is just wild.

That line of thinking is sexist, even if it's just subconscious and even if you're big on feminism. That's how deeply pervasive this shiat is in our society. You're exhibiting a taught bias. And that's okay! This learned crap runs deep. Just recognize that it is a bias and work to check yourself in the future.


This.
 
2020-07-23 6:21:46 PM  

patowen: whidbey: patowen: 

See bolded part.   That means you're not.

Dude.  I don't like capitalism.  I'm being cynical here.  Work with me.

Is this what long ferry lines, windstorms and jet noise do to you?  Maybe you should try Orcas.


You have a point about the jet noise.   God I hate those farkers.
 
2020-07-23 6:27:29 PM  

brigid_fitch: If anyone asks me to do my hair (I just throw it in a ponytail) or wear makeup, I will personally drive to their house and cover them in spray tan.  "There, farkwad!  How do YOU like wearing a coating of stuff all day just for 1 stupid conference call where you're all on your phones anyway??"


Holy shiat, I usually have to pay extra for that!
 
2020-07-23 6:32:33 PM  

Magnanimous_J: UNC_Samurai: Xai: If it's a meeting with clients and everyone is being asked to present a professional image then no, if it's for the 'benefit' of male employees, which is what I suspect, then yes.

Does a woman have to wear make-up to present a professional image?

Some women can look put together without makeup. A lot of them look like Winston Churchill in a wig.


Oh, did Winston Churchill put on makeup before every meeting then? That makes me like him better tbh
 
2020-07-23 6:36:55 PM  
It's sexist to ask, and completely unnecessary.  All you really need to say is to ask for everyone to do their best to look professional in their zoom videos, like they would if they were physically at work, but leave it up to them to decide what that means.  You could use a few examples, like having a professional shirt or blouse on instead of pajamas or a raggedy t-shirt.
 
2020-07-23 6:38:33 PM  

Leader O'Cola: Nobody in Peculiar: Leader O'Cola: how is it any different than shaving your facial hair (male) ?
Ringshadow:
Again: I am AFAB and I have literally never worn makeup.

...

So you tell me: how the hell is me going about my life with my face washed (and topicals on) so farking insulting to your sexist ass? Shaving is a FAR cry from makeup, boo.

I know plenty of men in professional jobs that don't shave. Some trim their beards, some don't. It really isn't the same thing as saying 'you should wear make-up' to  a woman.

How would you feel if your employer said you should/must grow a full face beard? Maybe you can't. Maybe you don't want to. But you're now forced to make a decision that you really don't want to make, just because you're a man.

Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems that is how it might feel, for a woman, to be told she should/must wear make-up.


do they (makeup, shaving)  require  the investment of time, effort, $, and possibly cause health or psychological effects  , for the purpose of transforming one's natural appearance, presumably to the established aesthetic standards of those in power?

then no, they aren't really different.


Perhaps I wasn't clear...
My point was that men can choose to shave or not. The article is about women being told to wear make-up, whether they want to or not. They are 2 different things.

Put yourself in the situation I provided, or one similar. How would you feel if your employer said you had to do something that in no way effected your job performance, but doing that thing made you physically or emotionally uncomfortable? You don't want to do this thing, but if you don't, you could lose your job. Who wants to make that decision?
 
2020-07-23 6:43:10 PM  

Leader O'Cola: Nobody in Peculiar: Leader O'Cola: how is it any different than shaving your facial hair (male) ?
Ringshadow:
Again: I am AFAB and I have literally never worn makeup.

...

So you tell me: how the hell is me going about my life with my face washed (and topicals on) so farking insulting to your sexist ass? Shaving is a FAR cry from makeup, boo.

I know plenty of men in professional jobs that don't shave. Some trim their beards, some don't. It really isn't the same thing as saying 'you should wear make-up' to  a woman.

How would you feel if your employer said you should/must grow a full face beard? Maybe you can't. Maybe you don't want to. But you're now forced to make a decision that you really don't want to make, just because you're a man.

Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems that is how it might feel, for a woman, to be told she should/must wear make-up.


do they (makeup, shaving)  require  the investment of time, effort, $, and possibly cause health or psychological effects  , for the purpose of transforming one's natural appearance, presumably to the established aesthetic standards of those in power?

then no, they aren't really different.


Yeah at worst would be wearing a suit which is attire.  And its still never "improve your face!".

Theres basic grooming, then theres "but wait theres more".  Looks arnt proffesionalism, thats just personal desire.
 
2020-07-23 6:52:13 PM  
The last job I had to wear a tie at was at the Scummy Mortgage Co in Austin, TX. I was there for a year and a half, and left in '88.

And someone things women need to wear makeup while on zoom. What year is this?
 
2020-07-23 6:54:12 PM  

winedrinkingman: leave it up to them to decide what that means.


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2020-07-23 6:56:16 PM  
We're all wearing masks and some arsehole wants cosmetics as well? Get your priorities straight.
 
2020-07-23 6:56:33 PM  

AmbassadorBooze: Also, unless actually seeing a face is VITAL to the job, all employee units should be given a Unique identification string and a face mask that makes them faceless drones.  No gender, no name, no personal histories, items of flare.  Just working towards the goal of the company until the time to clock out.  If unit BSzUfCtL4Lh73rFEfn9be6j4 is working on the project and Unit 12546666666589 needs information about the project, they just dial up  unit BSzUfCtL4Lh73rFEfn9be6j4 on their company comm device, exchange the info, and then disconnect.  No gender needed.  No face needed.  Hell, it may have been that unit BSzUfCtL4Lh73rFEfn9be6j4 was replaced with a robot last year.  Unless the information exchange REQUIRES meat, why would unit 12546666666589 care if BSzUfCtL4Lh73rFEfn9be6j4 is meat or not?


I want to believe that you typed out that entire post in full without using copy and paste at any point.
 
2020-07-23 6:57:09 PM  

Hypnotic Harlequin: I understand the impulse to call this sexist, since its a double standard based on sex, but I'm not sure that's actually reasonable.  It seems to me this is more of a trap women have caught themselves up in.

Because women in professional settings wear make-up as the norm, they have established that as the norm.  So when they don't wear make-up, they look different and worse, and it's weird and off-putting.  Unprofessional.  But it's not anyone's fault that women have perpetuated these norms except the women who perpetuate these norms. Naomi Wolf's The Beauty Myth was published 30 years ago.  An entire generation of women have grown up since then, but make-up is still going strong.


People in my workplace compliment me on good winged eyeliner, even at 4am and on mid shifts.

I love watching the looks on peoples' faces shift when I tell them my eyeliner is literally tattooed on.

I get bonus points because most are horrified, the squeamish give it enough thought to grow faint, and I will never have to deal with the "you look sick" no-makeup situation.

/allergic to normal eyeliner and can't do makeup to save my life.
 
2020-07-23 6:58:23 PM  
Do you work for Maybelline? Cover Girl? Calvin Klein? No? 

Then stfu about makeup.
 
2020-07-23 7:01:31 PM  

Nobody in Peculiar: Leader O'Cola: Nobody in Peculiar: Leader O'Cola: how is it any different than shaving your facial hair (male) ?
Ringshadow:
Again: I am AFAB and I have literally never worn makeup.

...

So you tell me: how the hell is me going about my life with my face washed (and topicals on) so farking insulting to your sexist ass? Shaving is a FAR cry from makeup, boo.

I know plenty of men in professional jobs that don't shave. Some trim their beards, some don't. It really isn't the same thing as saying 'you should wear make-up' to  a woman.

How would you feel if your employer said you should/must grow a full face beard? Maybe you can't. Maybe you don't want to. But you're now forced to make a decision that you really don't want to make, just because you're a man.

Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems that is how it might feel, for a woman, to be told she should/must wear make-up.


do they (makeup, shaving)  require  the investment of time, effort, $, and possibly cause health or psychological effects  , for the purpose of transforming one's natural appearance, presumably to the established aesthetic standards of those in power?

then no, they aren't really different.

Perhaps I wasn't clear...
My point was that men can choose to shave or not. The article is about women being told to wear make-up, whether they want to or not. They are 2 different things.

Put yourself in the situation I provided, or one similar. How would you feel if your employer said you had to do something that in no way effected your job performance, but doing that thing made you physically or emotionally uncomfortable? You don't want to do this thing, but if you don't, you could lose your job. Who wants to make that decision?


They can?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.​c​om/platform/amp/the-goods/2018/9/28/17​916056/workplace-beards-facial-hair-bl​ack-men-sikhs-publix-chick-fil-a
 
2020-07-23 7:04:32 PM  

NotThatGuyAgain: [sunbeamwhdh.files.wordpress.com image 775x436]
Is thisa what y'all want?

/Mugshot from a different greenlighted article


That was a missed opportunity for the headline "Chihuahua steals mop".


While this discourse would be inappropriate at any time, it's especially harmful during periods of high anxiety.

"There were some meetings where I didn't even turn on my web camera because I'd been crying, and I didn't want people to see my red, puffy face."


I don't think women should have to wear makeup in any situation unless they want to.

As for the high levels of anxiety right now, things suck but unfortunately it might be something that most or all of us just have to learn to get used to handling. Climate change, greater conflict with China, rising levels of inequality and COVID-19 as well as other diseases probably aren't going away anytime soon.

With so many other factors outside of one's control, anxiety is actually the one thing most people can control. Stop using Facebook/Twitter/etc and focus on doing something productive.
 
2020-07-23 7:07:52 PM  

Gordon Bennett: AmbassadorBooze: Also, unless actually seeing a face is VITAL to the job, all employee units should be given a Unique identification string and a face mask that makes them faceless drones.  No gender, no name, no personal histories, items of flare.  Just working towards the goal of the company until the time to clock out.  If unit BSzUfCtL4Lh73rFEfn9be6j4 is working on the project and Unit 12546666666589 needs information about the project, they just dial up  unit BSzUfCtL4Lh73rFEfn9be6j4 on their company comm device, exchange the info, and then disconnect.  No gender needed.  No face needed.  Hell, it may have been that unit BSzUfCtL4Lh73rFEfn9be6j4 was replaced with a robot last year.  Unless the information exchange REQUIRES meat, why would unit 12546666666589 care if BSzUfCtL4Lh73rFEfn9be6j4 is meat or not?

I want to believe that you typed out that entire post in full without using copy and paste at any point.


If it helps, I didn't use spell check.  And hardly ever do.
 
2020-07-23 7:11:24 PM  

khatores: NotThatGuyAgain: [sunbeamwhdh.files.wordpress.com image 775x436]
Is thisa what y'all want?

/Mugshot from a different greenlighted article

That was a missed opportunity for the headline "Chihuahua steals mop".


While this discourse would be inappropriate at any time, it's especially harmful during periods of high anxiety.

"There were some meetings where I didn't even turn on my web camera because I'd been crying, and I didn't want people to see my red, puffy face."

I don't think women should have to wear makeup in any situation unless they want to.

As for the high levels of anxiety right now, things suck but unfortunately it might be something that most or all of us just have to learn to get used to handling. Climate change, greater conflict with China, rising levels of inequality and COVID-19 as well as other diseases probably aren't going away anytime soon.

With so many other factors outside of one's control, anxiety is actually the one thing most people can control. Stop using Facebook/Twitter/etc and focus on doing something productive.


Be calm and Carry on can EABOSCD.
Legalize drugs, ppl, if u want every one so damn Fu*king calm.
😠
 
2020-07-23 7:11:36 PM  
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2020-07-23 7:14:59 PM  
If we are going to battle out of date sexist work policies, can we please get rid of the tie (which almost exclusively is inflicted on men). It serves no purpose other than having a convenient noose available to anyone interested.
 
2020-07-23 7:19:42 PM  

Daedalus27: If we are going to battle out of date sexist work policies, can we please get rid of the tie (which almost exclusively is inflicted on men). It serves no purpose other than having a convenient noose available to anyone interested.


I'll go with the tie should be optional. Same with makeup. I actually really like ties. But go ahead and try to find a properly fitting business suit shirt that will accommodate the boobs of a porn star and NOT end up looking like a server at a high-end restaurant.

I like them because it's an acceptable place to express personality and creativity. You can start a lot of really good business conversations over a good tie.

/my dad was a stereotypical middle manager from the 1980s
 
2020-07-23 7:30:37 PM  

waxbeans: Be calm and Carry on can EABOSCD.


Ever After Be Originally Super and Chronically Dead?


Legalize drugs, ppl, if u want every one so damn Fu*king calm.
😠


What about meditation?
 
2020-07-23 7:30:50 PM  

Daedalus27: If we are going to battle out of date sexist work policies, can we please get rid of the tie (which almost exclusively is inflicted on men). It serves no purpose other than having a convenient noose available to anyone interested.


A tie isn't foreign objects placed directly in proximity of your eyes, nose, and mouth are you stupid?
WTF?
Humans are garbage.
 
2020-07-23 7:31:40 PM  

khatores: waxbeans: Be calm and Carry on can EABOSCD.

Ever After Be Originally Super and Chronically Dead?


Legalize drugs, ppl, if u want every one so damn Fu*king calm.
😠

What about meditation?


What about blow job?
🙄
 
2020-07-23 7:32:49 PM  

RussianPotato: Normally I'd say yes.  Because I was taught that treating someone different due to an immutable characteristic from birth over which they have no control is wrong.  But thankfully I became woke, anti-racist, and anti-sexist.  So NOW the only proper thing is to treat men and women differently, as well as people of different races.  Because that's what a good liberal does.


Username checks out.

/again
 
2020-07-23 7:39:38 PM  
FARK - WTF? This many posts and not one Homer's make-up gun dot jpeg yet?

I put on that stuff and I feel how Marge looks.
 
2020-07-23 7:46:09 PM  
Sexist? Yes. Illegal? Almost certainly depends on the jurisdiction. Dunno if it's ever been legislated or tested in Canada, but I'm 99% sure I know how our Supreme Court would rule on the matter.
 
2020-07-23 7:53:30 PM  

m57lyra: Xai: If it's a meeting with clients and everyone is being asked to present a professional image then no, if it's for the 'benefit' of male employees, which is what I suspect, then yes.

Um no. If men are not asked to come to the party with makeup on to be "professional" then neither should women. Women are also just fine the way are.

Tell everyone to brush their hair and have a neat appearance.


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2020-07-23 7:56:13 PM  

brizzle365: its a reasonable request to be presentable.

If the men are being asked to be cleanly groomed (shave and at least try to do something with your hair so it doesn't look like you just rolled out of bed), then its fair and reasonable to make the exact same request of women.

But, what do I know, I have a dick.


FTFY
 
2020-07-23 7:56:46 PM  

Nobody in Peculiar: I know plenty of men in professional jobs that don't shave.


Agreed. Heck, in Canada, no fewer than seven members of the Federal Cabinet are wearing beards in official photos  https://pm.gc.ca/en/cabinet (I count the Prime Minister in this count even though he's shaven in his photo on this page, he's wearing a beard right now, at least as of a few days ago. It varies.)  Two of them will literally never shave for cultural reasons.

/  And then there's ZZTop, who don't shave because they're ZZ Frickin' Top. You can't tell me these guys don't know how to dress sharp. :)
 
2020-07-23 7:58:30 PM  
Very few people at work are using cameras for meetings, so the company is buying everyone one. Hopefully it is cheap, but if it is a good camera I'm going to need to wear makeup because I look like death these days. I'm a guy though, so it isn't sexist.
 
2020-07-23 8:03:23 PM  
Farkers I had previously favored as racist are also sexist, no surprise there.
 
2020-07-23 8:06:54 PM  
Ah...  no.  Makeup being required or even suggested is purely sexist.  If a women or man doesn't want to wear fricking makeup, they get to not wear makeup.
 
2020-07-23 8:08:37 PM  

moto-geek: UNC_Samurai: Xai: If it's a meeting with clients and everyone is being asked to present a professional image then no, if it's for the 'benefit' of male employees, which is what I suspect, then yes.

Does a woman have to wear make-up to present a professional image?

Depends what kind of profession I suppose.

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Heh.  The left side just looks like too much makeup to me.  Sex professionals would go for more subtle stuff, unless they are on the low-paid side, in which case it would be a LOT more red.
 
2020-07-23 8:09:32 PM  

Latinwolf: Farkers I had previously favored as racist are also sexist, no surprise there.


It really helps one's dating prospects to be neither racist nor sexist.

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2020-07-23 8:15:28 PM  

thisisyourbrainonFark: Latinwolf: Farkers I had previously favored as racist are also sexist, no surprise there.

It really helps one's dating prospects to be neither racist nor sexist.

[media1.tenor.com image 498x250]


Right.
LOL.
Someone is sexing both of those. How else have they not been breed out of humanity.
 
2020-07-23 8:22:21 PM  

luna1580: someone who believes i cannot fulfill my work obligations without putting on lipstick and mascara (unless my career is "make up model") is probably so deeply sexist they don't even realize it's a sexist thing to believe.

if a face of makeup magically turned a human into a better lawyer, or teacher, or investor, or executive, or chemist, or psychiatrist, or whatever, men's makeup lines would have dominated products marketed to women long ago.

asking women, and only women, to "look pretty for the camera" at a virtual (or physical) work meeting is sexist as f*ck.


I regret I cannot gift you with a year of TF. Where should o send the $50 instead?
 
2020-07-23 8:22:26 PM  

Leader O'Cola: Now, with that said, there are some jobs where literally having facial hair might impede the ability to do work (wearing a chemical exposure mask, for example).


Hi bro! Guess what! My job requires a full face respirator. Guess what you can't have when you wear a full face or even a half face? A farking beard.

Guess what doesn't effect my ability to wear respiratory protection? My not wearing makeup.

There are a LOT of jobs where facial hair is going to be frowned upon FOR GOOD farkING REASON, because it's a god damn safety hazard for various reasons. Guess what isn't. The lack, or presence, of makeup.

THESE ARE VERY DIFFERENT THINGS IN THE WORKPLACE.

Also, just say you want women to be pleasant to look at in your eyes man. There's literally no other reason for you to champion this. It has nothing to do with "looking professional."

I'm wrong you say? Okay. I need you to guy buy several makeup palettes and brush up on skill because what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander buddy boy, and I expect a full farking James Charles glam look ready by the end of this week.
 
2020-07-23 8:22:54 PM  

Leader O'Cola: Ringshadow: Leader O'Cola: Since it's all about standards of visual professional decorum.

Makeup has literally nothing to do with that.

how is it any different than shaving your facial hair   (male) ?


One is naturally occurring, and doesn't always come in even so shaving/trimming makes it look a little better, much like a haircut.

Makeup is not naturally occurring and doesn't define professionalism.
Unless the job specifically requires the use of makeup, clowns, mines, people who work under intense lights such as actors or in the news, then makeup is completely up to the woman and yes it's sexist to request one wear it.

/Guy, hates to shave but will clean up if I'm going to the office.
//Would look horrible in makeup
 
2020-07-23 8:24:38 PM  

Ringshadow: I have never worn makeup.

If you asked me to wear makeup, and probably utterly destroy my skin in the process. I'm going full tilt clown. Pennywise, Bozo? Maybe Deulla Dent?

Also, fun fact, you can use contour makeup to Drag King too. Maybe I'll look up Drag King makeup tutorials and arrive in the Zoom meeting as the man I'd never been until that moment.

/you never know


Please oh please do this and post a pic
 
2020-07-23 8:28:45 PM  
I literally have not shaved or cut my hair since the pandemic lockdown began. I'd be inclined to professionally tell my superiors to fark off if they asked me to shave.

I can sympathize with women who are being told they need to wear makeup.

It's a job, not a modeling gig.
 
2020-07-23 8:29:59 PM  

Ringshadow: Leader O'Cola: how is it any different than shaving your facial hair (male) ?

Again: I am AFAB and I have literally never worn makeup.

It has never affected my ability to do anything in my life. This might shock you, but makeup doesn't suddenly give someone a skill set (beyond the ability to do makeup). It doesn't improve your ability to work.

In my case, it would directly damage me. I have FOUR diagnosed skin conditions. I have to use specialty face cleaners and I'm on a small battery of medication, topical and oral, to try to control my skin.

So you tell me: how the hell is me going about my life with my face washed (and topicals on) so farking insulting to your sexist ass? Shaving is a FAR cry from makeup, boo.


you're right, shaving with sensitive skin sucks. Between the cuts and bleeding, the razor burn, and the horrible facial rash as the hair grows out again, not to mention the Velcro face stage...I'd rather do makeup. At least I wouldn't feel like I blow torched my face and look like a teenage with severe acne.
 
2020-07-23 8:30:31 PM  

Nobody in Peculiar: I know plenty of men in professional jobs that don't shave. Some trim their beards, some don't. It really isn't the same thing as saying 'you should wear make-up' to a woman.


If there are any standards pertaining to beards, ie. "must be neat and trim", those standards are thus sexist, since they apply only to men. Even implied "must maintain professional appearance" is sexist, because again, only men have beards.

The end result being that you can only have standards that are capable of being applied to both men and women. Despite, you know, men and women being different and thus warranting different standards... never mind that.
 
2020-07-23 8:34:02 PM  

Xai: If it's a meeting with clients and everyone is being asked to present a professional image then no, if it's for the 'benefit' of male employees, which is what I suspect, then yes.


Demanding women wear make-up in order to "present a professional image" is, in itself, a sexist position.
 
2020-07-23 8:39:22 PM  

Peki: Daedalus27: If we are going to battle out of date sexist work policies, can we please get rid of the tie (which almost exclusively is inflicted on men). It serves no purpose other than having a convenient noose available to anyone interested.

I'll go with the tie should be optional. Same with makeup. I actually really like ties. But go ahead and try to find a properly fitting business suit shirt that will accommodate the boobs of a porn star and NOT end up looking like a server at a high-end restaurant.

I like them because it's an acceptable place to express personality and creativity. You can start a lot of really good business conversations over a good tie.

/my dad was a stereotypical middle manager from the 1980s


Optional gives people choice.  Freedom of choice causes problems.  So either the tie has to be required attire for all gender and sexes and non genders and non sexes, or it has to be banned completely.
 
2020-07-23 8:45:50 PM  

Ringshadow: I have never worn makeup.

If you asked me to wear makeup, and probably utterly destroy my skin in the process. I'm going full tilt clown. Pennywise, Bozo? Maybe Deulla Dent?


Coming from you, that's amazing.  Put on a full body hazmat suit and dive into the greasy depths of the pipe runs of a power plant?  Can do.  Maybelline?  Maybe go fark yourself.
 
2020-07-23 8:49:54 PM  

Leader O'Cola: Nobody in Peculiar: Leader O'Cola: Nobody in Peculiar: Leader O'Cola: how is it any different than shaving your facial hair (male) ?
Ringshadow:
Again: I am AFAB and I have literally never worn makeup.

...

So you tell me: how the hell is me going about my life with my face washed (and topicals on) so farking insulting to your sexist ass? Shaving is a FAR cry from makeup, boo.

I know plenty of men in professional jobs that don't shave. Some trim their beards, some don't. It really isn't the same thing as saying 'you should wear make-up' to  a woman.

How would you feel if your employer said you should/must grow a full face beard? Maybe you can't. Maybe you don't want to. But you're now forced to make a decision that you really don't want to make, just because you're a man.

Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems that is how it might feel, for a woman, to be told she should/must wear make-up.


do they (makeup, shaving)  require  the investment of time, effort, $, and possibly cause health or psychological effects  , for the purpose of transforming one's natural appearance, presumably to the established aesthetic standards of those in power?

then no, they aren't really different.

Perhaps I wasn't clear...
My point was that men can choose to shave or not. The article is about women being told to wear make-up, whether they want to or not. They are 2 different things.

Put yourself in the situation I provided, or one similar. How would you feel if your employer said you had to do something that in no way effected your job performance, but doing that thing made you physically or emotionally uncomfortable? You don't want to do this thing, but if you don't, you could lose your job. Who wants to make that decision?

They can?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.c​om/platform/amp/the-goods/2018/9/28/17​916056/workplace-beards-facial-hair-bl​ack-men-sikhs-publix-chick-fil-a


I am aware that those policies exist and they probably violate EEOC rules. It wouldn't surprise me if some of those policies have been overturned.

https://www.eeoc.gov/laws/guidance/re​l​igious-garb-and-grooming-workplace-rig​hts-and-responsibilities

Should employers be allowed make a policy that says you must shave even if shaving violates your religious tenets or if it causes skin problems? Of course not. It's discriminatory. Having a policy that says women must wear make-up is just as discriminatory.

I expect there might be jobs where having a beard may be detrimental to one performing that job, like having to wear a well sealed mask to prevent contamination, or similar. Exceptions are allowed. I doubt anyone can point out a case where NOT wearing makeup causes some detrimental effect to the job being performed.

Again, what would your reaction be if your employer told you you have to do something that has no impact on the performance of your job, something you don't want to do for whatever reason?
 
2020-07-23 8:56:50 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: If you think the guy that said this has never offered several women employment or a promotion in exchange for sex, you just haven't thought about it yet.  Go ahead.  Think about it.

/ There it is.


Bee eye an gee oh.
 
2020-07-23 8:57:56 PM  
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2020-07-23 9:12:26 PM  

petec: [media.musely.com image 480x360]


Ha, was just image searching for Mimi.
 
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