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(Refinery29)   Is asking women to wear makeup for Zoom meetings sexist and illegal?   (refinery29.com) divider line
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2020-07-23 2:38:10 PM  
I don't know if it is or isn't legal (probably depends on what country or state/province you're in), but I think it is sexist and should be illegal.
 
2020-07-23 2:38:58 PM  
Are the men being asked to wear make-up?   No?

Then yes, it is sexist.
 
2020-07-23 2:39:27 PM  
I care as much about make-up during zoom meetings as I do about pants.
 
2020-07-23 2:50:55 PM  
Sexist? Yes. Illegal? Probably.
 
2020-07-23 2:56:08 PM  
It's sexist.  The women should follow the letter of the policy, and apply Groucho Marx style eyebrows and mustache.   "There.  Policy followed.  Are there any questions?  Would we like to maybe rethink this policy, or shall we attend the next zoom meeting as Pennywise?"
 
Xai [TotalFark]
2020-07-23 3:07:07 PM  
If it's a meeting with clients and everyone is being asked to present a professional image then no, if it's for the 'benefit' of male employees, which is what I suspect, then yes.
 
2020-07-23 3:12:36 PM  
Yes.
Next question.
 
2020-07-23 4:07:17 PM  
Yes.
 
2020-07-23 4:08:41 PM  
If anyone asks me to do my hair (I just throw it in a ponytail) or wear makeup, I will personally drive to their house and cover them in spray tan.  "There, farkwad!  How do YOU like wearing a coating of stuff all day just for 1 stupid conference call where you're all on your phones anyway??"
 
2020-07-23 4:09:30 PM  

Xai: If it's a meeting with clients and everyone is being asked to present a professional image then no, if it's for the 'benefit' of male employees, which is what I suspect, then yes.


Does a woman have to wear make-up to present a professional image?
 
2020-07-23 4:09:34 PM  

Dewey Fidalgo: Are the men being asked to wear make-up?   No?

Then yes, it is sexist.


Done in two.
 
2020-07-23 4:10:04 PM  
Well, dress for the job.  Go topless. *shrug*
 
hej
2020-07-23 4:10:08 PM  
Yes, and possibly.
 
2020-07-23 4:11:43 PM  

Nina9: Yes.
Next question.

...and would it kill you to smile a little bit more???

 
2020-07-23 4:12:19 PM  
They don't ask me to wear pants, so I don't ask them to wear makeup.
 
2020-07-23 4:12:37 PM  
Is asking women to wear make-up for Zoom meetings sexist and illegal? Hell yeah. The cosmetics industry should be reconverted into medical equipment/substances.
 
2020-07-23 4:12:41 PM  
Yes, it's sexist.

They should smile more, though.
 
2020-07-23 4:12:48 PM  
There should be no such work requirement in any context. Unless you're a clown.
 
2020-07-23 4:13:11 PM  
Yeah on both counts but if you play your cards right you can walk away with a small fine and some light community service...um...or so I heard.
 
2020-07-23 4:13:18 PM  

Derp Du Jour: Nina9: Yes.
Next question.

...and would it kill you to smile a little bit more???


*tiny fist*
 
2020-07-23 4:13:42 PM  
I always require men to wear a shirt and pants, but not women. Is that sexist?
 
2020-07-23 4:14:22 PM  
Meh, people on Zoom wants me to get a tramp stamp and wear a thong
/I'm a 42 year old dude
 
2020-07-23 4:14:33 PM  
Just smear a little Vaseline on the lens.
 
2020-07-23 4:15:36 PM  
At least wash last night's dried spooge off your face.

/ we're trying to have a civilization here
 
2020-07-23 4:16:37 PM  
How sexist and tone deaf of their CEO.

In the meantime, how about she trade me with my essential job, and she go out in public and expose herself to covid, and I'll stay home and put make up on and sit on my ass on a webcam?

Real tired of white collar people and their "issues" staying home and being safe.
 
2020-07-23 4:16:56 PM  
I have never worn makeup.

If you asked me to wear makeup, and probably utterly destroy my skin in the process. I'm going full tilt clown. Pennywise, Bozo? Maybe Deulla Dent?

Also, fun fact, you can use contour makeup to Drag King too. Maybe I'll look up Drag King makeup tutorials and arrive in the Zoom meeting as the man I'd never been until that moment.

/you never know
 
2020-07-23 4:17:02 PM  
No and no.
 
2020-07-23 4:18:17 PM  
Is it sexist? Yes, but that doesn't mean it's a bad thing. I think its okay for companies to tell women to wear make up if they are going to be talking to the public or to people from other businesses.  The company should have the right to present a professional image.  However, if it's just a short Zoom meeting between a few co-workers, they shouldn't require it.
 
2020-07-23 4:18:22 PM  
Anyone know what happened to the weirdly small waisted Russian girl thread?

It was nuked from existence before I could read it.

/this post will self destruct in 3,2,1..
 
2020-07-23 4:19:08 PM  
This is when it might be convenient for your computer to start experiencing "technical difficulties" with its camera.

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2020-07-23 4:19:13 PM  

UNC_Samurai: Xai: If it's a meeting with clients and everyone is being asked to present a professional image then no, if it's for the 'benefit' of male employees, which is what I suspect, then yes.

Does a woman have to wear make-up to present a professional image?


Some women can look put together without makeup. A lot of them look like Winston Churchill in a wig.
 
2020-07-23 4:19:22 PM  
Unless you require men to wear makeup then yes, asking women to wear it is sexist.
Professional appearance is clothing and coiffure (and hygiene, but hopefully that goes without saying). Women, or men, adding makeup to their look should be strictly voluntary.
 
2020-07-23 4:19:24 PM  
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What, it's even a full face of makeup. Contoured, highlighted.
 
2020-07-23 4:19:29 PM  

Devolving_Spud: It's sexist.  The women should follow the letter of the policy, and apply Groucho Marx style eyebrows and mustache.   "There.  Policy followed.  Are there any questions?  Would we like to maybe rethink this policy, or shall we attend the next zoom meeting as Pennywise?"


And all the men should wear makeup in solidarity.
 
2020-07-23 4:20:42 PM  
I never understood the appeal of makeup. My wife wears none and she's much prettier without it. Why do some women feel the need to dress like clowns? When I was younger and dating, any girl with makeup on was an instant no.
 
2020-07-23 4:21:31 PM  

Xai: If it's a meeting with clients and everyone is being asked to present a professional image then no, if it's for the 'benefit' of male employees, which is what I suspect, then yes.


unless the employee is a farking clown, facepaint is not part of a professional image.
 
2020-07-23 4:21:59 PM  
I never have my camera on for company Zoom meetings, but my company is super chill, soo...
 
2020-07-23 4:22:24 PM  

Boo_Guy: Anyone know what happened to the weirdly small waisted Russian girl thread?

It was nuked from existence before I could read it.

/this post will self destruct in 3,2,1..


I saw the pics. Poor girl waisted away and took the thread with her.
 
2020-07-23 4:23:04 PM  
Just put on clothes.  The bra decision is up to you but I think keeping nipples off of Zoom calls is probably a good place to draw a line for both workplace decency and etiquette in general... Unless your job is in the high fashion world where it's bad etiquette to NOT accent your nipples somehow.

Also, multiple Zoom videos in multiple houses in your neighborhood kills bandwidth.  You may just be better off killing the video feed altogether.

/Unless Janice from Marketing Communications is showing her nipples again.
 
2020-07-23 4:23:07 PM  
I have been watching the news where the women reporters are not wearing TV makeup. They look fine to me.
 
2020-07-23 4:23:10 PM  
The key to this situation is in the first paragraph.

It's a non-profit.

Non-profits are bottomless pits of dysfunction and weird 'management' practices.
 
2020-07-23 4:23:12 PM  
If I was a lady and my boss told me that I would show up the next day like King Diamond

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2020-07-23 4:23:57 PM  

angryjd: No and no.


Yes and likely yes.

If the policy only effects one gender it is sexist. If it effects promotions, treatment or hiring it is likely illegal because it targets one gender and isn't applied equally. There are specific rules that govern this in the US.  There are exceptions for businesses where makeup is considered part of the uniform like theater or cosmetics or striping.
I worked in retail for twelve years in management and managed multi million dollar locations of high end boutiques and NEVER wore makeup. I'm clean, well styled and wore what we sold. I had exactly one manager who tried to tell me I had to and corporate had to inform him that he was incorrect.
 
2020-07-23 4:25:12 PM  

Marcos P: If I was a lady and my boss told me that I would show up the next day like King Diamond

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YOU. I like the cut of your jib.
 
2020-07-23 4:26:09 PM  

Magnanimous_J: A lot of [women] look like Winston Churchill in a wig.


So what? As long as they're clean and kempt, what difference does it make?
 
2020-07-23 4:27:27 PM  

Ringshadow: I have never worn makeup.

If you asked me to wear makeup, and probably utterly destroy my skin in the process. I'm going full tilt clown. Pennywise, Bozo? Maybe Deulla Dent?

Also, fun fact, you can use contour makeup to Drag King too. Maybe I'll look up Drag King makeup tutorials and arrive in the Zoom meeting as the man I'd never been until that moment.

/you never know


Be sure to wear the fuzzy mittens and put the shoe on your head. I kinda like that look. I have no idea of the backstory and it is better that way.
 
2020-07-23 4:27:58 PM  
Is asking them to do them topless okay?
 
2020-07-23 4:27:58 PM  

UNC_Samurai: Xai: If it's a meeting with clients and everyone is being asked to present a professional image then no, if it's for the 'benefit' of male employees, which is what I suspect, then yes.

Does a woman have to wear make-up to present a professional image?


Depends what kind of profession I suppose.

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2020-07-23 4:28:03 PM  
someone who believes i cannot fulfill my work obligations without putting on lipstick and mascara (unless my career is "make up model") is probably so deeply sexist they don't even realize it's a sexist thing to believe.

if a face of makeup magically turned a human into a better lawyer, or teacher, or investor, or executive, or chemist, or psychiatrist, or whatever, men's makeup lines would have dominated products marketed to women long ago.

asking women, and only women, to "look pretty for the camera" at a virtual (or physical) work meeting is sexist as f*ck.
 
2020-07-23 4:28:13 PM  
If I was her coworker I would have popped on over the pharmacy (with mask, of course), and purchased some lipstick and blush and would have applied it before the next meeting with the boss. And, Yes, I am a man. And, No, I would not care if I got in trouble for it.
 
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