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2020-07-23 9:36:10 AM  
yeah, but covid is the Real conspiracy against us. Right?

jesus. America.
Pull your head out.
 
2020-07-23 9:38:24 AM  
So, you're saying the Lannisters have taken control of the US Govt?

Gotcha.
 
2020-07-23 9:38:42 AM  
Yeah why not send more people in to be humiliated by a bunch of moms
 
2020-07-23 9:52:18 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Yeah why not send more people in to be humiliated by a bunch of moms


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2020-07-23 10:10:15 AM  

NewportBarGuy: So, you're saying the Lannisters have taken control of the US Govt?

Gotcha.


Lannisters pay their bills.
 
2020-07-23 10:24:29 AM  
Well, this is what Democrats want under Biden, so why not start now?
 
2020-07-23 10:42:00 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: NewportBarGuy: So, you're saying the Lannisters have taken control of the US Govt?

Gotcha.

Lannisters pay their bills.


The Lannister's also had one member of their family that wasn't a piece of shiat.

Unless Tiffany is the Tyrion in this scenario.
 
2020-07-23 10:45:42 AM  
Good thing the NRA has our backs.
 
2020-07-23 10:45:53 AM  
Bond V. US, a 9-0 ruling by the SCOTUS in 2015:
In our federal system, the National Government possesses only limited powers; the States and the people retain the remainder. The States have broad authority to enact legislation for the public good-what we have often called a "police power." United States v. Lopez, 514 U. S. 549, 567 (1995). The Federal Government, by contrast, has no such authority and "can exercise only the powers granted to it," McCulloch v. Maryland, 4 Wheat. 316, 405 (1819), including the power to make "all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution" the enumerated powers, U. S. Const., Art. I, §8, cl. 18. For nearly two centuries it has been "clear" that, lacking a police power, "Congress cannot punish felonies generally." Cohens v. Virginia, 6 Wheat. 264, 428 (1821). A criminal act committed wholly within a State "cannot be made an offence against the United States, unless it have some relation to the execution of a power of Congress, or to some matter within the jurisdiction of the United States." United States v. Fox, 95 U. S. 670, 672 (1878).
 
2020-07-23 10:46:51 AM  

Mad_Radhu: Marcus Aurelius: NewportBarGuy: So, you're saying the Lannisters have taken control of the US Govt?

Gotcha.

Lannisters pay their bills.

The Lannister's also had one member of their family that wasn't a piece of shiat.

Unless Tiffany is the Tyrion in this scenario.


Guys....we've been over this. Trump is just an English-ifcation of Targaryen.

/ think about it. They are crazed, blonde haired sociopaths
 
2020-07-23 10:49:42 AM  
We need to amend the 1st Amendment at least for hate speech and declared "news" sources' outright lying, and if you think I am wrong, I point to what the USA is around you that you live in right now. At least for hate speech it works in other places like various European states, so it can work here.
 
2020-07-23 10:54:09 AM  
I'm just wondering about the cowardice of not arresting these federal law enforcers? Seems like a liberal mayor in a liberal city would have no problem arresting someone if they wanted to. Hell, they've arrested journalists, people sitting on the sidewalk, old men walking, and cameramen in other cities. 

Ohhh, that's right. For some reason, Democrats are pansies and I'll never understand their abject cowardice to do anything right when it comes down to it.

Jfc.
 
2020-07-23 10:55:31 AM  
That's why there are so many acting appointments, acting appointments don't have to be confirmed, Trump knows this.
 
2020-07-23 10:56:36 AM  

Magorn: Bond V. US, a 9-0 ruling by the SCOTUS in 2015:
In our federal system, the National Government possesses only limited powers; the States and the people retain the remainder. The States have broad authority to enact legislation for the public good-what we have often called a "police power." United States v. Lopez, 514 U. S. 549, 567 (1995). The Federal Government, by contrast, has no such authority and "can exercise only the powers granted to it," McCulloch v. Maryland, 4 Wheat. 316, 405 (1819), including the power to make "all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution" the enumerated powers, U. S. Const., Art. I, §8, cl. 18. For nearly two centuries it has been "clear" that, lacking a police power, "Congress cannot punish felonies generally." Cohens v. Virginia, 6 Wheat. 264, 428 (1821). A criminal act committed wholly within a State "cannot be made an offence against the United States, unless it have some relation to the execution of a power of Congress, or to some matter within the jurisdiction of the United States." United States v. Fox, 95 U. S. 670, 672 (1878).


I'm guessing the new line is something about "within 100 miles of a Federal Facility ..."
 
2020-07-23 10:57:49 AM  
... to protect the federal courthouse.

This isn't just another embassy in Benghazi.
 
2020-07-23 10:57:56 AM  

iheartscotch: Mad_Radhu: Marcus Aurelius: NewportBarGuy: So, you're saying the Lannisters have taken control of the US Govt?

Gotcha.

Lannisters pay their bills.

The Lannister's also had one member of their family that wasn't a piece of shiat.

Unless Tiffany is the Tyrion in this scenario.

Guys....we've been over this. Trump is just an English-ifcation of Targaryen.

/ think about it. They are crazed, blonde haired sociopaths


Trump-aryan?
 
2020-07-23 10:59:44 AM  
Water-head carrying water folks, avoid the puddles.
 
2020-07-23 11:00:38 AM  

FarkBucket18: I'm just wondering about the cowardice of not arresting these federal law enforcers? Seems like a liberal mayor in a liberal city would have no problem arresting someone if they wanted to. Hell, they've arrested journalists, people sitting on the sidewalk, old men walking, and cameramen in other cities. 

Ohhh, that's right. For some reason, Democrats are pansies and I'll never understand their abject cowardice to do anything right when it comes down to it.

Jfc.


You expect the local police who fully support and work side by side with DHS, to arrest them?
 
2020-07-23 11:03:26 AM  

GardenWeasel: FarkBucket18: I'm just wondering about the cowardice of not arresting these federal law enforcers? Seems like a liberal mayor in a liberal city would have no problem arresting someone if they wanted to. Hell, they've arrested journalists, people sitting on the sidewalk, old men walking, and cameramen in other cities. 

Ohhh, that's right. For some reason, Democrats are pansies and I'll never understand their abject cowardice to do anything right when it comes down to it.

Jfc.

You expect the local police who fully support and work side by side with DHS, to arrest them?


So fire them and deputize the citizenry? Like, this defeatist attitude is so tiring because it's like, ya'll roll over and play dead because someone told you to. Fark them. The mayor has the power over the police force. If they ignore his orders, fire them. 

Or what? Is that doing something? Why does this scare the piss outta liberals but would be the first thing Republicans would do if the roles were reversed.

Cowards. God damn cowards.
 
2020-07-23 11:03:42 AM  

Kangaroo_Ralph: ... to protect the federal courthouse.

This isn't just another embassy in Benghazi.


Courthouse wasn't in need of "protecting" until these agent provocateurs surrounded it.  Last figure I heard was that $50,000 worth of damage had been done during the protests.  In federal money that means a concrete sidewalk was slightly chipped
 
2020-07-23 11:06:50 AM  

Kangaroo_Ralph: ... to protect the federal courthouse.

This isn't just another embassy in Benghazi.


The ability to "make arrests for any felony cognizable under the laws of the United States" was intended to allow FPS to assist local/state if someone was on federal property. It was never intended to allow rent-a-cops to roam the streets and "proactively" make arrests.
 
2020-07-23 11:08:13 AM  
This douche is on CBS Morning news right now... direct quote, "These protesters, I mean these violent criminals...."

Nice.
 
2020-07-23 11:08:37 AM  

Mad_Radhu: Marcus Aurelius: NewportBarGuy: So, you're saying the Lannisters have taken control of the US Govt?

Gotcha.

Lannisters pay their bills.

The Lannister's also had one member of their family that wasn't a piece of shiat.

Unless Tiffany is the Tyrion in this scenario.


They also had a couple of members of their family that were competent. Not something this administration can say.
 
2020-07-23 11:13:31 AM  

FarkBucket18: I'm just wondering about the cowardice of not arresting these federal law enforcers? Seems like a liberal mayor in a liberal city would have no problem arresting someone if they wanted to. Hell, they've arrested journalists, people sitting on the sidewalk, old men walking, and cameramen in other cities. 

Ohhh, that's right. For some reason, Democrats are pansies and I'll never understand their abject cowardice to do anything right when it comes down to it.

Jfc.


Who exactly are they going to use to arrest the federal goons? The police union sides with them and is meeting with them behind the mayor and city councils backs.

Call out the national guard? Trump can federalize them. If he.doesnt it smacks of civil war.
 
2020-07-23 11:15:34 AM  

Magorn: Kangaroo_Ralph: ... to protect the federal courthouse.

This isn't just another embassy in Benghazi.

Courthouse wasn't in need of "protecting" until these agent provocateurs surrounded it.  Last figure I heard was that $50,000 worth of damage had been done during the protests.  In federal money that means a concrete sidewalk was slightly chipped


Well, there is paint to be removed.

***BUT*** this is Portland, where protests have a decades-long history and graffiti cleanup is likely a budgeted annual expense.
 
2020-07-23 11:16:54 AM  

FarkBucket18: I'm just wondering about the cowardice of not arresting these federal law enforcers? Seems like a liberal mayor in a liberal city would have no problem arresting someone if they wanted to. Hell, they've arrested journalists, people sitting on the sidewalk, old men walking, and cameramen in other cities. 

Ohhh, that's right. For some reason, Democrats are pansies and I'll never understand their abject cowardice to do anything right when it comes down to it.

Jfc.


You have to get the police to do it or a group of well armed citizens, and the mayor probably knows he can't get them to do so.
 
2020-07-23 11:17:16 AM  

Medic Zero: FarkBucket18: I'm just wondering about the cowardice of not arresting these federal law enforcers? Seems like a liberal mayor in a liberal city would have no problem arresting someone if they wanted to. Hell, they've arrested journalists, people sitting on the sidewalk, old men walking, and cameramen in other cities. 

Ohhh, that's right. For some reason, Democrats are pansies and I'll never understand their abject cowardice to do anything right when it comes down to it.

Jfc.

Who exactly are they going to use to arrest the federal goons? The police union sides with them and is meeting with them behind the mayor and city councils backs.

Call out the national guard? Trump can federalize them. If he.doesnt it smacks of civil war.


You do realize as the leader of the police force, he has the power to deputize anyone and he can fire the police. Don't act like it hasn't happened before ... it's just not happened anywhere Democrats lead ...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n​a​tion/2020/07/01/florida-sheriff-says-h​e-may-deputize-gun-owners-against-prot​esters/5357157002/

Again, cowardice. You keep finding ways to just screech "We can't do ANYTHING" while ignoring all the other side would do if the roles were reversed. 

This is why Democrats lose. They're too much of farking cowards to actually do anything besides pissing and moaning about how unfair everything is. 

Take an arm and stand opposed. Otherwise, the other side is going to do what the other side does and they aren't as squeamish about doing everything that is necessary.
 
2020-07-23 11:17:50 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: NewportBarGuy: So, you're saying the Lannisters have taken control of the US Govt?

Gotcha.

Lannisters pay their bills.



Goddamn you. Brilliant!
 
2020-07-23 11:17:58 AM  
Don't go giving the senate wiggle room to back out of this mess by claiming they never confirmed these assholes. Get up in Moscow Mitch's grill for not demanding these appointees sit for confirmation while he instead focused on appointing nazi lackeys to the federal judicial bench.
 
2020-07-23 11:18:42 AM  

Pharmdawg: You have to get the police to do it or a group of well armed citizens, and the mayor probably knows he can't get them to do so.


And that is exactly why we lose.
 
2020-07-23 11:19:01 AM  

GardenWeasel: FarkBucket18: I'm just wondering about the cowardice of not arresting these federal law enforcers? Seems like a liberal mayor in a liberal city would have no problem arresting someone if they wanted to. Hell, they've arrested journalists, people sitting on the sidewalk, old men walking, and cameramen in other cities. 

You expect the local police who fully support and work side by side with DHS, to arrest them?


I was thinking this bucket of bootlicking may have a point.  Have the local police arrest the DHS for trespass, civil rights offenses, assault on mom's and the mayor.
 
2020-07-23 11:21:03 AM  

FarkBucket18: Medic Zero: FarkBucket18: I'm just wondering about the cowardice of not arresting these federal law enforcers? Seems like a liberal mayor in a liberal city would have no problem arresting someone if they wanted to. Hell, they've arrested journalists, people sitting on the sidewalk, old men walking, and cameramen in other cities. 

Ohhh, that's right. For some reason, Democrats are pansies and I'll never understand their abject cowardice to do anything right when it comes down to it.

Jfc.

Who exactly are they going to use to arrest the federal goons? The police union sides with them and is meeting with them behind the mayor and city councils backs.

Call out the national guard? Trump can federalize them. If he.doesnt it smacks of civil war.

You do realize as the leader of the police force, he has the power to deputize anyone and he can fire the police. Don't act like it hasn't happened before ... it's just not happened anywhere Democrats lead ...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/na​tion/2020/07/01/florida-sheriff-says-h​e-may-deputize-gun-owners-against-prot​esters/5357157002/

Again, cowardice. You keep finding ways to just screech "We can't do ANYTHING" while ignoring all the other side would do if the roles were reversed. 

This is why Democrats lose. They're too much of farking cowards to actually do anything besides pissing and moaning about how unfair everything is. 

Take an arm and stand opposed. Otherwise, the other side is going to do what the other side does and they aren't as squeamish about doing everything that is necessary.


You quoted a article about a FL sheriff, not a municipal mayor. A mayor cannot necessarily just randomly deputize people.
 
2020-07-23 11:23:09 AM  

iheartscotch: Mad_Radhu: Marcus Aurelius: NewportBarGuy: So, you're saying the Lannisters have taken control of the US Govt?

Gotcha.

Lannisters pay their bills.

The Lannister's also had one member of their family that wasn't a piece of shiat.

Unless Tiffany is the Tyrion in this scenario.

Guys....we've been over this. Trump is just an English-ifcation of Targaryen.

/ think about it. They are crazed, blonde haired sociopaths


Incestuous, too.
 
2020-07-23 11:24:49 AM  

Kangaroo_Ralph: ... to protect the federal courthouse.

This isn't just another embassy in Benghazi.


"Rent free, baby, rent free!" - Hillary Clinton
 
2020-07-23 11:25:56 AM  

Jumbled: Good thing the NRA has our backs.


Still waiting for one of our resident gun-farking cowards to explain how this shiat doesn't rise to the level of "tyranny" they keep caterwauling about. Probably waiting for the moment they can start shooting their neighbors from the rooftops without getting arrested I imagine.
 
2020-07-23 11:45:15 AM  
Hey idiots, this is why elections are so important! Literally the only way to stop it for sure is to oust Dump in November. The contrast between Dump and Biden could not be more clear. If you don't suck it up and vote for Biden you are complicit.
 
2020-07-23 11:52:14 AM  

NewportBarGuy: So, you're saying the Lannisters have taken control of the US Govt?

Gotcha.


The Lannister's actually had money
 
2020-07-23 11:52:53 AM  
But...but...Obama had Czars!!!!1!
 
2020-07-23 11:55:19 AM  

GardenWeasel: You quoted a article about a FL sheriff, not a municipal mayor. A mayor cannot necessarily just randomly deputize people.


After 56 days, I have to believe that they've had teams of lawyers trying to figure out what powers they actually have. Because surely they would have done something already? You'd think?

This may end up getting resolved by some archaic law pulled out of the books from the 1400s.
 
2020-07-23 12:16:17 PM  

FarkBucket18: You do realize as the leader of the police force, he has the power to deputize anyone and he can fire the police. Don't act like it hasn't happened before ... it's just not happened anywhere Democrats lead ...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/na​tion/2020/07/01/florida-sheriff-says-h​e-may-deputize-gun-owners-against-prot​esters/5357157002/

Again, cowardice. You keep finding ways to just screech "We can't do ANYTHING" while ignoring all the other side would do if the roles were reversed.


Well, as already pointed out, he's a Mayor in Oregon, not a sheriff in Florida, so he may not have any sort deputizing power.

Also, bringing in a bunch of regular folks with guns would be a super dangerous escalation of the situation AND PROBABLY A BAD MOVE POLITICALLY to boot. Video of moms (especially white moms, this is Oregon after all) getting tear-gassed and beaten by clubs is not gonna be popular with suburban folks, who do tend to vote on the regular.

As galling as it is, dragging this shiat out just makes Trump look worse to anyone not in line for the koolaid. On top of that, while there are a lot of these assholes, there aren't enough to do this in every big city for weeks on end. They're gonna get tired of being up all night running around, while the cites have a near-inexhaustible supply of protestors.

Now, if these would-be Gestapo start pulling out the live ammo...
 
2020-07-23 12:25:25 PM  
I'm not going to read this thread, but I assume it will be full of attacks on the author, for having the audacity to say the actions are legal yet shiatty, which I've been assured means he secretly supports trump and is carrying water for ICE.

Right? Or is that just when posters on Fark say the exact stuff the article says?
 
2020-07-23 12:44:16 PM  
This is what happens when there are too many Chads in charge. We need some Laquandas to step in and set shiat right.
 
2020-07-23 1:08:30 PM  

Sin'sHero: Well, this is what Democrats want under Biden, so why not start now?


Tu quoque is a type of ad hominem argument in which an accused person turns an allegation back on his or her accuser, thus creating a logical fallacy. In the English language, the phrase generally functions as a noun, however, it's also used attributively to modify other nouns, as in "a tu quoque argument."
 
2020-07-23 1:16:51 PM  
And in doing so, made it completely legal to shoot at federal authorities to preserve our independence.
 
2020-07-23 1:34:54 PM  
The acting head of DHS, a department which shouldn't exist, will probably sail through confirmation hearings, even though he shouldn't. If he even gets a confirmation hearing, that is.
 
2020-07-23 1:59:04 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Marcus Aurelius: NewportBarGuy: So, you're saying the Lannisters have taken control of the US Govt?

Gotcha.

Lannisters pay their bills.

The Lannister's also had one member of their family that wasn't a piece of shiat.

Unless Tiffany is the Tyrion in this scenario.


I'll allow it
 
2020-07-23 3:11:41 PM  
If I was describing a coup, I would be describing this headline. So is this a coup, yet?
 
2020-07-23 4:32:39 PM  

Peki: GardenWeasel: You quoted a article about a FL sheriff, not a municipal mayor. A mayor cannot necessarily just randomly deputize people.

After 56 days, I have to believe that they've had teams of lawyers trying to figure out what powers they actually have. Because surely they would have done something already? You'd think?

This may end up getting resolved by some archaic law pulled out of the books from the 1400s.


Archaic laws are what have us in this mess. FPS dates back to the origins of the USA.
 
2020-07-23 5:22:26 PM  
Headline sounds like a 3rd grade math problem.  How many more apples does peggy have than dan?
This pos has been enabled for 4 years and here we are. To paraphrase goodfellas rules are for losers.
 
2020-07-24 6:38:04 AM  

FarkBucket18: Medic Zero: FarkBucket18: I'm just wondering about the cowardice of not arresting these federal law enforcers? Seems like a liberal mayor in a liberal city would have no problem arresting someone if they wanted to. Hell, they've arrested journalists, people sitting on the sidewalk, old men walking, and cameramen in other cities. 

Ohhh, that's right. For some reason, Democrats are pansies and I'll never understand their abject cowardice to do anything right when it comes down to it.

Jfc.

Who exactly are they going to use to arrest the federal goons? The police union sides with them and is meeting with them behind the mayor and city councils backs.

Call out the national guard? Trump can federalize them. If he.doesnt it smacks of civil war.

You do realize as the leader of the police force, he has the power to deputize anyone and he can fire the police. Don't act like it hasn't happened before ... it's just not happened anywhere Democrats lead ...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/na​tion/2020/07/01/florida-sheriff-says-h​e-may-deputize-gun-owners-against-prot​esters/5357157002/

Again, cowardice. You keep finding ways to just screech "We can't do ANYTHING" while ignoring all the other side would do if the roles were reversed. 

This is why Democrats lose. They're too much of farking cowards to actually do anything besides pissing and moaning about how unfair everything is. 

Take an arm and stand opposed. Otherwise, the other side is going to do what the other side does and they aren't as squeamish about doing everything that is necessary.


So the only example you have to "prove" republicans aren't cowards is an article saying a sherrif "may" deputize random people? Strong work.
 
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