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(The Atlantic)   It's apparent we need to redo America again for a third time, obviously with more racial equality   (theatlantic.com) divider line
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2020-07-21 10:52:07 AM  
Good luck, going against the grain of people being raised to think that way.  I guess we could just have the native Americans just oust all of us back to Europe, Asia, and Africa and so forth.
 
2020-07-21 11:32:44 AM  
You know, it isn't race that divides us as much as class. We need to overthrow the system that uses race to divide us.
 
2020-07-21 11:38:18 AM  
I wonder what kind of world-view of those in political power caused the first two attempts to fail?
 
2020-07-21 12:16:59 PM  

Nadie_AZ: You know, it isn't race that divides us as much as class. We need to overthrow the system that uses race to divide us.


Shhhh.  If you keep saying that then we'll have to go beyond changing some words and American fools will think they should actually get some money.
 
2020-07-21 7:44:57 PM  

Nadie_AZ: You know, it isn't race that divides us as much as class. We need to overthrow the system that uses race to divide us.


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2020-07-21 7:47:21 PM  
Expected article.  African Americans are going to do the best they can and put the peddle to the metal before they become an irrelevant voting block in politics.

The Hispanics are coming, and they dont like African Americans and pretty soon the political parties will be courting them for their votes and African Americans will become irrelevant in the scope of national politics.

I give it maybe 10 years.
 
2020-07-21 7:47:34 PM  
The reality of it is that both our government and our Constitution need a massive overhaul.

Our government needs to go to a more parliamentary system, where smaller parties can end up being represented and coalitions have to be formed to create a government.  And the Constitution needs to be changed where it actually guarantees all of the rights in it to be for all people, not just whomever we feel like giving them to (which is truly where we are today).

It's obvious that we won't survive as a nation if something doesn't change, or we'll devolve into nothing more than authoritarianism and anarchy.
 
2020-07-21 7:50:02 PM  
If Trump gets another four years, we are going to need reconstruction.
 
2020-07-21 7:50:58 PM  
Crackdown hard on white collar crime.

For a start.
 
2020-07-21 7:50:58 PM  

jso2897: If Trump gets another four years, we are going to need reconstruction.


People said that about Reagan, Kennedy, Carter, Clinton, Bush and Obama... yet our Republic has endured.

Trump is just another speed bump along the road of history.
 
2020-07-21 7:51:11 PM  

dwrash: Expected article.  African Americans are going to do the best they can and put the peddle to the metal before they become an irrelevant voting block in politics.

The Hispanics are coming, and they dont like African Americans and pretty soon the political parties will be courting them for their votes and African Americans will become irrelevant in the scope of national politics.

I give it maybe 10 years.


You know how I know you don't even have any 'black fiends'?

You keep using 'African American.'
 
2020-07-21 7:51:15 PM  
It's time for Constitution 2.0.
 
2020-07-21 7:51:32 PM  

jso2897: If Trump gets another four years, we are going to need reconstruction.


If Trump gets another 4 years, there won't be anything to reconstruct.
 
2020-07-21 7:52:04 PM  
Merltech:

That's the idea
 
2020-07-21 7:52:17 PM  
Yeah that's not happening.
 
2020-07-21 7:52:25 PM  

Petey4335: dwrash: Expected article.  African Americans are going to do the best they can and put the peddle to the metal before they become an irrelevant voting block in politics.

The Hispanics are coming, and they dont like African Americans and pretty soon the political parties will be courting them for their votes and African Americans will become irrelevant in the scope of national politics.

I give it maybe 10 years.

You know how I know you don't even have any 'black fiends'?

You keep using 'African American.'


Lol.. I have plenty... the problem is that people that post on this board dont and I have to play to the lowest common denominator.
 
2020-07-21 7:52:32 PM  
"W. E. B. Du Bois may have put it best: "The slave went free; stood a brief moment in the sun," but then "a new slavery arose." "

Kanye West :  "Well Harriet Tubman never actually freed the slaves. She just had the slaves go work for other white people."

Seems like those quotes aren't too far apart.
 
2020-07-21 7:52:54 PM  
I think history shows that drastic change is possible in any country, including the US, but certain conditions have to be present. The mainstream, who have it pretty good in most ways, will never support drastic change. Why would they? If you're happy with your life the last thing you want to do is change it.

This means even the mainstream needs to be made unhappy. The mainstream needs to be put in a position where the only future they see coming is a slide downwards until they hit rock bottom. THEN they'll want change.

I think that's when a new reconstruction can happen. Are we there yet? I don't think so. I think I'd agree that the mainstream is annoyed, and maybe even beginning to feel a little unsettled. Do they see a bleak future? No, not yet in my opinion, but we're getting there.
 
2020-07-21 7:53:03 PM  
Sounds great.  What are we going to do with the 1/3 (more or less) of the existing population that will do everything they can to oppose racial equality?
 
2020-07-21 7:53:09 PM  

dwrash: Expected article.  African Americans are going to do the best they can and put the peddle to the metal before they become an irrelevant voting block in politics.

The Hispanics are coming, and they dont like African Americans and pretty soon the political parties will be courting them for their votes and African Americans will become irrelevant in the scope of national politics.

I give it maybe 10 years.


We Hispanics will have a short-lived majority until the Chinese take everything over. But in the meantime, we'd be happy to listen to you talk about how irrelevant minorities are.
 
2020-07-21 7:53:23 PM  
1. we never fixed a goddamned thing
2. refer to 1.
 
2020-07-21 7:53:37 PM  
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2020-07-21 7:54:30 PM  

UltimaCS: We Hispanics will have a short-lived majority until the Chinese take everything over. But in the meantime, we'd be happy to listen to you talk about how irrelevant minorities are.


That is one possible outcome.

All I am doing is repeating what Black leadership has already stated.  They know the clock is ticking and they are trying to accomplish something before they lack the political power to do so.
 
2020-07-21 7:55:07 PM  
We need to start by telling the Republicans to fark off.   For real, this time.

They have nothing to bring to the table except socially backward bullshiat.

And we should have done it in 2008.  Other Farkers were saying this, and I just blew it off.

You all were right.
 
2020-07-21 7:56:47 PM  
I'm totally fine with Republicans going the way of the Whigs. I'm looking forward to an era of Centrists vs. Progressives elections.
 
2020-07-21 7:58:41 PM  

dwrash: Petey4335: dwrash: Expected article.  African Americans are going to do the best they can and put the peddle to the metal before they become an irrelevant voting block in politics.

The Hispanics are coming, and they dont like African Americans and pretty soon the political parties will be courting them for their votes and African Americans will become irrelevant in the scope of national politics.

I give it maybe 10 years.

You know how I know you don't even have any 'black fiends'?

You keep using 'African American.'

Lol.. I have plenty... the problem is that people that post on this board dont and I have to play to the lowest common denominator.


I'm not sure which is the bigger lie, that you have plenty of friends, or that you have any black friends
 
2020-07-21 7:58:52 PM  
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2020-07-21 8:00:32 PM  

AurizenDarkstar: The reality of it is that both our government and our Constitution need a massive overhaul.

Our government needs to go to a more parliamentary system, where smaller parties can end up being represented and coalitions have to be formed to create a government.  And the Constitution needs to be changed where it actually guarantees all of the rights in it to be for all people, not just whomever we feel like giving them to (which is truly where we are today).

It's obvious that we won't survive as a nation if something doesn't change, or we'll devolve into nothing more than authoritarianism and anarchy.


The 10A will go down in history as one of the dumbest ideas ever.

/overlapping sovereignty can't work in the long run
//you can only keep trying to keep the patchwork of inevitable messes from falling apart
///'states are the crucibles of democracy' is dumb given a *world* loaded with democratic experimentation
 
2020-07-21 8:00:37 PM  
Um. . .

You do realize that a Reconstruction requires a civil war right? 

Like I get it. I do. There's a weird tension. On the one hand you're horrified about what's going on and you want it to stop and everybody to get it together. On the other hand you wish they'd just start shooting and get it all over with already, while acknowledge the sheer amount of destruction it would cause.
 
2020-07-21 8:00:47 PM  

whidbey: You were right.


I know, but please say it again
 
2020-07-21 8:01:02 PM  
What's the likelihood of a Trumper abandoning their cult.  That's kind of where this is.
 
2020-07-21 8:04:41 PM  

dwrash: jso2897: If Trump gets another four years, we are going to need reconstruction.

People said that about Reagan, Kennedy, Carter, Clinton, Bush and Obama... yet our Republic has endured.

Trump is just another speed bump along the road of history.


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2020-07-21 8:04:55 PM  

Petey4335: dwrash: Expected article.  African Americans are going to do the best they can and put the peddle to the metal before they become an irrelevant voting block in politics.

The Hispanics are coming, and they dont like African Americans and pretty soon the political parties will be courting them for their votes and African Americans will become irrelevant in the scope of national politics.

I give it maybe 10 years.

You know how I know you don't even have any 'black fiends'?

You keep using 'African American.'


It takes a while for the Russian-English dictionary to catch up to current usage.

Isn't that peachy?
 
2020-07-21 8:07:23 PM  

dwrash: Petey4335: dwrash: Expected article.  African Americans are going to do the best they can and put the peddle to the metal before they become an irrelevant voting block in politics.

The Hispanics are coming, and they dont like African Americans and pretty soon the political parties will be courting them for their votes and African Americans will become irrelevant in the scope of national politics.

I give it maybe 10 years.

You know how I know you don't even have any 'black fiends'?

You keep using 'African American.'

Lol.. I have plenty... the problem is that people that post on this board dont and I have to play to the lowest common denominator.


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2020-07-21 8:08:45 PM  

Peki: Um. . .

You do realize that a Reconstruction requires a civil war right? 

Like I get it. I do. There's a weird tension. On the one hand you're horrified about what's going on and you want it to stop and everybody to get it together. On the other hand you wish they'd just start shooting and get it all over with already, while acknowledge the sheer amount of destruction it would cause.


The people who are pushing the line of authoritarianism aren't going to stop until they're put down.

I don't advocate for violence. But I understand it. And I understand the assholes that think might makes right. They aren't going to stop because you ask them to. They'll just laugh in your face and spit on you as they push harder.
 
2020-07-21 8:08:53 PM  

abbarach: Sounds great.  What are we going to do with the 1/3 (more or less) of the existing population that will do everything they can to oppose racial equality?


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2020-07-21 8:11:07 PM  
Difficultly level : Racial inequality is really, really popular with the group benefiting from it.
 
2020-07-21 8:12:01 PM  
"The United States Needs a Third Reconstruction"

Careful what you wish for.
 
2020-07-21 8:13:16 PM  

Samfucious: Peki: Um. . .

You do realize that a Reconstruction requires a civil war right? 

Like I get it. I do. There's a weird tension. On the one hand you're horrified about what's going on and you want it to stop and everybody to get it together. On the other hand you wish they'd just start shooting and get it all over with already, while acknowledge the sheer amount of destruction it would cause.

The people who are pushing the line of authoritarianism aren't going to stop until they're put down.

I don't advocate for violence. But I understand it. And I understand the assholes that think might makes right. They aren't going to stop because you ask them to. They'll just laugh in your face and spit on you as they push harder.


I know. 

I know the answer to this is to call in the National Guard against the federal government. I know that. 

I just . . . Governor Brown ain't gonna be the one to do it, I think. But it seems like they kinda backed down last night. And if they see the same in every US city. . . 

I dunno. This is so farked.
 
2020-07-21 8:13:36 PM  

Peki: Um. . .

You do realize that a Reconstruction requires a civil war right?


The article makes the case that the second reconstruction was the civil rights era which, while violent, was not a civil war.
 
2020-07-21 8:15:42 PM  
Most black Americans have been in America longer than say, Irish Americans.

More isn't enough. It should be equality. That's the point.

We say it on paper but we are liars until we do it. Where is the pride in actual equality? And if we can't bring ourselves to have pride in that, what's the point? I don't even see the point in being proud of the things we say and write on paper, if we aren't actual proud of the very ideal of actualized equality.

But then I go read the comments from Drew Brees recent tweet from this weekend, about how the NFL needs to get off its ass with respect to COVID19. And this dipshiat white trash NFL fan base just comes right out of the woodwork into broad daylight where they are so out of their element, and freely admit "white power! white power! white power!" and if they don't get it, well goddamn, they want their season pass money back because Drew Brees takes a knee!

These people are garbage. I hope they are suffering. Only through mental anguish can they be deprogrammed from this white power treachery.
 
2020-07-21 8:17:29 PM  

UltimaCS: I'm totally fine with Republicans going the way of the Whigs. I'm looking forward to an era of Centrists vs. Progressives elections.


You already have that... its called the DNC.
 
2020-07-21 8:21:12 PM  

Xaxor: It's time for Constitution 2.0.


NO! Are you farking nuts? Opening up the source code for the Constitution while there are still republicans walking the Earth is SUICIDE!!!!
 
2020-07-21 8:27:58 PM  
Conservatism is anti-Americanism.  fark being deplorable, be revoting.
 
2020-07-21 8:29:22 PM  

Name_Omitted: Peki: Um. . .

You do realize that a Reconstruction requires a civil war right?

The article makes the case that the second reconstruction was the civil rights era which, while violent, was not a civil war.


Hmm. Fair point.

Still, like. . . . not a path I'm keen on going down, you know?
 
2020-07-21 8:30:17 PM  

Nadie_AZ: You know, it isn't race that divides us as much as class. We need to overthrow the system that uses race to divide us.


Yer a socialist.

Like me.
 
2020-07-21 8:34:36 PM  

dwrash: jso2897: If Trump gets another four years, we are going to need reconstruction.

People said that about Reagan, Kennedy, Carter, Clinton, Bush and Obama... yet our Republic has endured.

Trump is just another speed bump along the road of history.


How wise and strong you are. I guess we should ignore all the warning signs and just assume everything is going to work out fine for the white man in the long run.

I can't help but be amused by your lazy dipshiat's pseudo-intellectual faux historian logic: from this point backward in history, everything will run its course according to past mistakes, so screw trying to learn from or change anything.

You represent a particularly shiatty aspect of humanity, that conservative mind-set that is always on the wrong side of history. You're trying to pretend to be somewhere in the middle, but you are a conservative. You are a conservative, and therefore you don't have a farking clue.

And what a brave stance you've taken: History will always repeat itself prove me wrong. Well gee, cousin, I guess you and I will both be worm-feasts by the time we can figure this out so I guess you put the kibosh on this argument. Slick skills, bro!
 
2020-07-21 8:35:05 PM  

dwrash: UltimaCS: We Hispanics will have a short-lived majority until the Chinese take everything over. But in the meantime, we'd be happy to listen to you talk about how irrelevant minorities are.

That is one possible outcome.

All I am doing is repeating what Black leadership has already stated.  They know the clock is ticking and they are trying to accomplish something before they lack the political power to do so.


And the reason that we shouldn't be supporting them in this is...?  Because it's sure sounding like your point is we should just plug our ears and eventually we won't have to act like we care.

It's not an act. We care.

There are problems that are long overdue for fixing. I don't care how much political power a group has. If our society is disadvantageous to them just because they're in a certain demographic, society should be fixed. Now is the time, if we can just seize it.
 
2020-07-21 8:37:28 PM  

AAAAGGGGHHHH: Xaxor: It's time for Constitution 2.0.

NO! Are you farking nuts? Opening up the source code for the Constitution while there are still republicans walking the Earth is SUICIDE!!!!


I didn't say we should do it right this instant but there are so many bugs to fix that a refresh is in order. It has a decent skeleton but it's clear a lot of pieces are slapdash and not 100% unambiguous.
 
2020-07-21 8:45:41 PM  

HerptheDerp: Difficultly level : Racial inequality is really, really popular with the group benefiting from it.


Username checks out.
 
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