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2020-07-21 5:07:07 AM  
24 votes:

syrynxx: I can't even this headline.


That's okay, the admin on duty speaks Florida Man.
 
2020-07-21 6:12:18 AM  
19 votes:
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2020-07-21 6:56:18 AM  
15 votes:
If we are going to proceed with the same logic as our government uses, then perhaps these solutions will help:

1. Put up microscopic signs that say: " It is illegal for viruses to infect school children" ... the virus will comply.
2. Alternately face children away from one another to prevent transmission.
3. Walk backwards between classes so your carbon dioxide blows away from you.
4. Hold classes next to windows so the UV light kills it.
5. Lysol in the milk.
6. Turn on the fire sprinklers one per hour to wash the children.
7. Send the children home to the wrong houses so they can't infect their parents.
8. Have the teachers teach from the hallway so they won't be exposed.
9. Have half the kids ride on the bus roof to keep the 6 foot social distancing limit in place.
10. Turn off all water fountains, close the bathrooms and cafeteria, and shut off the air conditioners.

There you go! Problem solved!
 
2020-07-21 6:16:31 AM  
12 votes:

hubiestubert: [Fark user image 600x600]


Plot twist: Amish wrote that
 
2020-07-21 5:51:24 AM  
12 votes:
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2020-07-21 5:29:46 AM  
12 votes:

puffy999: ecmoRandomNumbers: Good. The health, safety, and sanity of the teachers are the last thing on the minds of anybody who has a stake in public education, especially with school boards and state office-holders.

"F*ck the teachers. They have to do what we say."

Well, f*ck you right back.

But it's so much worse.

They're also saying fark the kids, the parents, their families, families of teachers, co-workers and associates, the economy, etc etc etc.

All because Republicans won't admit they've fought against increased benefits (for emergencies or just general stuff) for decades, and now it's caught us with our pants down.


And if your pants are already down, FARK ALL THE THINGS!
 
2020-07-21 8:10:07 AM  
11 votes:
My local school board is having a lot of Zoom meetings to discuss sending students and teachers back to school.
 
2020-07-21 6:20:02 AM  
10 votes:
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Fig 1.1. Actual file photo of the Florida Educational System in 2020
 
2020-07-21 5:56:11 AM  
10 votes:

Zeb Hesselgresser: Teachers:  He'll no, we are not 'essential workers'.

OK, lay them off, hire replacements.


Untrained teachers?

Gotta make future GOP voters somehow, I guess...lead in the water supply wasn't doing the job fast enough.

/smooths the brain nicely
 
2020-07-21 6:10:25 AM  
9 votes:

puffy999: Farking Clown Shoes: puffy999: ecmoRandomNumbers: Good. The health, safety, and sanity of the teachers are the last thing on the minds of anybody who has a stake in public education, especially with school boards and state office-holders.

"F*ck the teachers. They have to do what we say."

Well, f*ck you right back.

But it's so much worse.

They're also saying fark the kids, the parents, their families, families of teachers, co-workers and associates, the economy, etc etc etc.

All because Republicans won't admit they've fought against increased benefits (for emergencies or just general stuff) for decades, and now it's caught us with our pants down.

And if your pants are already down, FARK ALL THE THINGS!

Username checks out.


Just because my name is "Farking Clown Shoes" doesn't mean I fark 'em. Anyone who can has my utmost respect.
 
2020-07-21 7:18:08 AM  
8 votes:
a local tv station interviewed a parent
"i want my kids back in school. they are not well behaved and i have trouble teaching them at home"
 
2020-07-21 7:07:20 AM  
6 votes:

amigafin: If we are going to proceed with the same logic as our government uses, then perhaps these solutions will help:

1. Put up microscopic signs that say: " It is illegal for viruses to infect school children" ... the virus will comply.
2. Alternately face children away from one another to prevent transmission.
3. Walk backwards between classes so your carbon dioxide blows away from you.
4. Hold classes next to windows so the UV light kills it.
5. Lysol in the milk.
6. Turn on the fire sprinklers one per hour to wash the children.
7. Send the children home to the wrong houses so they can't infect their parents.
8. Have the teachers teach from the hallway so they won't be exposed.
9. Have half the kids ride on the bus roof to keep the 6 foot social distancing limit in place.
10. Turn off all water fountains, close the bathrooms and cafeteria, and shut off the air conditioners.

There you go! Problem solved!


You forgot to give the teachers guns so they can shoot anyone who sneezes.
 
2020-07-21 7:18:56 AM  
5 votes:
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2020-07-21 7:01:18 AM  
5 votes:

Zeb Hesselgresser: Teachers:  He'll no, we are not 'essential workers'.

OK, lay them off, hire replacements.


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2020-07-21 9:08:14 AM  
4 votes:

kukukupo: Nimbull: pkjun: Nimbull: SpectroBoy: Nimbull: I'd resign if I was a teacher. No way I'd go back in to that mess especially since they don't really pay enough to be a baby sitter for the kids much less go in to pandemic infested school.

Maybe you would. Maybe you wouldn't. (ITG talk?)

The teachers I know need their paycheck and their health insurance and can't afford to just quit while most schools are closed.

Won't have a paycheck and insurance for long if you catch COVID-19, need a ventilator, and all the ICUs are at capacity in the state. Families can't be fed and cared for if you are six feet under.

10% chance of needing hospital treatment versus 100% chance of homelessness and inability to pay for hopsital treatment if you do get sick from some Maskfree plague rat in the Publix.

Yeah, sorry, the maths don't work out there for making this an issue of individual choice. It needs to be an issue of collective bargaining.

Or you could look at it like this...

100% chance of avoiding it at school.
100% chance of avoiding infecting other peoples kids at the school.
100% chance of finding other work that pays and provides for your family without as much risk.

I think the maths are pretty good really in that respect.

Just to give you an idea of how it works:

Teachers hire in at a low salary.  They are supposed to get a 'step' for each year they are at the school - but over the last 10-15 years, many places froze steps due to budget concerns.

Not only are there current first/second year teachers that make as much or less as someone who works in fast-food, there are also five or ten year teachers that are making that amount in many places at this point in time.  Our local school hasn't been able to keep many teachers in that experience range - they all leave for different jobs or different school districts that don't have frozen steps.

Even though it is an anecdotal story - I know one teacher who already got a job working at a fast-food restaurant with slightly worse benefits but roughly the same salary she was making last year - and she feels as if she will come in less contact with other people.


I call bullshiat. I have been in the school system for several years. In a state that pays their teachers the second lowest in the nation. And they make on average 40k as a first year salary and work 182 days a year. Full time fast food averages 15k. Of course in other states fast food may pay twice that but every other profession including teachers pay much more as well.

The whole "teachers are starving " is the biggest crock of shiat ingrained into our publics minds out there. Even in my system...again second lowest pay in the country....teachers make on average TRIPLE the average income for the state.
 
2020-07-21 7:02:04 AM  
4 votes:

lindalouwho: Zeb Hesselgresser: Teachers:  He'll no, we are not 'essential workers'.

OK, lay them off, hire replacements.

Lol where do you think they're going to get that many real teachers? There is already a shortage, and young people going toato college aren't especially interested in going into a profession they've seen get screwed their whole lives.


I found your mistake in the first sentence.
 
2020-07-21 5:39:53 AM  
4 votes:

Farking Clown Shoes: puffy999: ecmoRandomNumbers: Good. The health, safety, and sanity of the teachers are the last thing on the minds of anybody who has a stake in public education, especially with school boards and state office-holders.

"F*ck the teachers. They have to do what we say."

Well, f*ck you right back.

But it's so much worse.

They're also saying fark the kids, the parents, their families, families of teachers, co-workers and associates, the economy, etc etc etc.

All because Republicans won't admit they've fought against increased benefits (for emergencies or just general stuff) for decades, and now it's caught us with our pants down.

And if your pants are already down, FARK ALL THE THINGS!


Username checks out.
 
2020-07-21 8:10:13 AM  
3 votes:

groppet: Well according to the guy at work the kids will be fine because only the old and people with preexisting conditions die from the virus and all the kids are having covid parties to catch it anyways. He is also pushing the GOP BS about how Europe beat it by herd immunity and thats why they aren't getting a second wave. Didn't have the heart to tell him we are still in the first wave because of people like him and point out his many, many inaccuracies with his points on Europe.


As a Canadian, our best argument for wearing masks and a controlled opening of the economy is to just gesture southward.
 
2020-07-21 7:04:53 AM  
3 votes:

SpectroBoy: Nimbull: I'd resign if I was a teacher. No way I'd go back in to that mess especially since they don't really pay enough to be a baby sitter for the kids much less go in to pandemic infested school.

Maybe you would. Maybe you wouldn't. (ITG talk?)

The teachers I know need their paycheck and their health insurance and can't afford to just quit while most schools are closed.


If you're willing to sacrifice your life and your kids lives for a PAYCHECK, you have no business being a teacher.
 
2020-07-21 5:27:23 AM  
3 votes:

ecmoRandomNumbers: Good. The health, safety, and sanity of the teachers are the last thing on the minds of anybody who has a stake in public education, especially with school boards and state office-holders.

"F*ck the teachers. They have to do what we say."

Well, f*ck you right back.


But it's so much worse.

They're also saying fark the kids, the parents, their families, families of teachers, co-workers and associates, the economy, etc etc etc.

All because Republicans won't admit they've fought against increased benefits (for emergencies or just general stuff) for decades, and now it's caught us with our pants down.
 
2020-07-21 1:29:31 PM  
2 votes:

Calamity Gin: Kali-Ma: pkjun: Kali-Ma: I don't care if he misses a year, that's fine, but the distance learning is something that most working families are not set up for and is nearly impossible to do with a demanding job. Most of us were already swamped doing the work of 2-3 employees because corporations refuse to hire enough people, then to add being a teacher to it is where parents get desperate.  And I can't afford to lose a decent paying job right now to spend 2-4 hours a day arguing with my 9 year old about how to do math.

So, you want to close for safety, fine, but this half-assed distance learning needs to end. Pay the teachers some sort of reduced furlough salary and we'll all extend these kids' educations out a year (because of the Maryland cutoff my son would be almost 20 when he graduates from high school).

Rather than further impoverish teachers because you're too time-poor to make sure your kid does schoolwork, wouldn't a better solution be for parents to work a reduced schedule, perhaps supported by government grants to employers, to enable them to better support their kids in their learning?

That way he could continue to learn and develop (after all, his brain isn't going to stop its development process just because schools are shut), and you wouldn't need to do a double shift.

This still essentially turns into punishing the parents for the teacher's benefit.  If I can't work full time, I should take the pay cut, but if the teacher isn't working full time, the teacher should still make full money? And don't tell me the teachers are working full-time - they didn't have any instruction time, offered no feedback on assignments, and didn't write the curriculum offered (elementary school).  They did next to nothing for 3 months while I went insane trying to keep my son busy, not lose my job, and worked extra.

This is also assuming that employer would allow you to reduce your hours (I assure you mine would not - they have been trying to give all kinds of sideways ...


Sorry if you were focusing on the pay cut part (I don't actually care if the teachers still get paid - I was more responding to the comment that I should take a pay cut to do this while the teachers should just get whatever), my issue is that everyone acts like the parents have nothing to do/should just quit their jobs so they can become full time/part time teachers to their kids when a lot of us are in absolute dire straights trying to keep everything together from a time point of view.

Also, I'm in a district that will most likely stay closed through all of the 20-21 school year and possibly longer because the teacher's unions are really, really strong. A full year of elementary distance learning that falls entirely on my shoulders is going to be absolutely unbearable while working full time.  I was already doing 3 jobs (they reduced my department from 4 experienced lawyers and a database admin to me (a paralegal) and a dude who had some contracts experience as a VP of a lab company- oh, btw, we're one of the most well-respected, largest healthcare systems in the world so we're stupid busy).

There's no good answers to this and reiterating pipedreams of full government funding during this doesn't address the very real issue that this house of cards is going to come tumbling down at some point or another.
 
2020-07-21 9:36:16 AM  
2 votes:

Spindle: WV resident here.  They're doing fully back to school here.  I don't think they're even changing occupancy on the school buses.  This isn't going to be pretty


https://wvde.us/wp-content/uploads/20​2​0/07/WV-School-Re-entry-Toolkit-070820​-FORWEB-2.pdf

Official WV back to school policy.

Basically:  wear a mask, keep your distance.

Buses are limited to two kids per seat.
 
2020-07-21 8:43:33 AM  
2 votes:
 I must have killed more people than Cecil B. DeMille
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2020-07-21 8:26:36 AM  
2 votes:

ChrisDe: My local school board is having a lot of Zoom meetings to discuss sending students and teachers back to school.


If they're serious they should meet in person.
 
2020-07-21 8:15:17 AM  
2 votes:

syrynxx: I can't even this headline.


For some reason subby thinks teachers want to feed their students to sharks.

\not that I disapprove
 
2020-07-21 7:42:55 AM  
2 votes:

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Because if kids get COVID at school, they don't go home to Mom and Dad at the end of the school day?


See, you're playing 3D Elite Ivory Tower chess there..These people don't want that stuff, they want
their kids in school!

/ You probably eat argula and brown mustard
// in a tan suit
/// IVORY TOWER!
 
2020-07-21 5:47:27 AM  
2 votes:
Teachers:  He'll no, we are not 'essential workers'.

OK, lay them off, hire replacements.
 
2020-07-21 5:38:12 AM  
2 votes:
I think they, the Republican leaders of the state, are trying this because they are thinking that the people will turn against the teachers. I think the factors they are counting on are:
1. Parents need the schools open so with the kids in school the parents can go to work.
2. Teachers are unionized, with all associated benefits. In a time when lots are out of work, this can cause envy and resentment which Republicans can exploit.
3. People who are working might feel 'if I can still go to work, why can't teachers?'.
4. Some people think the virus is no big deal so those people will be against the teachers.

Who knows, it might work. I suspect that more parents will understand that this is a dangerous move though, and I don't think there will be an anti-teacher backlash.
 
2020-07-21 3:41:42 AM  
2 votes:
Good. The health, safety, and sanity of the teachers are the last thing on the minds of anybody who has a stake in public education, especially with school boards and state office-holders.

"F*ck the teachers. They have to do what we say."

Well, f*ck you right back.
 
2020-07-21 3:20:38 AM  
2 votes:
I can't even this headline.
 
2020-07-22 5:39:46 AM  
1 vote:

hubiestubert: [Fark user image 600x600]


Has nothing to do with God. 2020 is the result of someone using "Cards Against Humanity" as a Tarot deck.
 
2020-07-21 1:51:33 PM  
1 vote:

Calamity Gin: Kali-Ma: Calamity Gin: Kali-Ma: pkjun: Kali-Ma: I don't care if he misses a year, that's fine, but the distance learning is something that most working families are not set up for and is nearly impossible to do with a demanding job. Most of us were already swamped doing the work of 2-3 employees because corporations refuse to hire enough people, then to add being a teacher to it is where parents get desperate.  And I can't afford to lose a decent paying job right now to spend 2-4 hours a day arguing with my 9 year old about how to do math.

So, you want to close for safety, fine, but this half-assed distance learning needs to end. Pay the teachers some sort of reduced furlough salary and we'll all extend these kids' educations out a year (because of the Maryland cutoff my son would be almost 20 when he graduates from high school).

Rather than further impoverish teachers because you're too time-poor to make sure your kid does schoolwork, wouldn't a better solution be for parents to work a reduced schedule, perhaps supported by government grants to employers, to enable them to better support their kids in their learning?

That way he could continue to learn and develop (after all, his brain isn't going to stop its development process just because schools are shut), and you wouldn't need to do a double shift.

This still essentially turns into punishing the parents for the teacher's benefit.  If I can't work full time, I should take the pay cut, but if the teacher isn't working full time, the teacher should still make full money? And don't tell me the teachers are working full-time - they didn't have any instruction time, offered no feedback on assignments, and didn't write the curriculum offered (elementary school).  They did next to nothing for 3 months while I went insane trying to keep my son busy, not lose my job, and worked extra.

This is also assuming that employer would allow you to reduce your hours (I assure you mine would not - they have been trying to giv ...


I'm not fighting for them, I'm fighting for myself on behalf of reality.  I don't care if you get paid, fine.  Don't give me things to do when I have other things to do. I can't do your job for you, you can't do my job for me. Cancel school, stay at home, collect a paycheck.  Don't give me 2-4 hours a day of work I don't have time to do. No corporate employer is going to let you reduce down to part time to take care of your kids.  I consider myself blessed that I was able to work from home at all.  This is reality.  There is not going to be a glorious revolution.  Reiterating how it *should* be is not productive. The US is not Europe, civilized Asia, or anywhere else.  It's America. We haven't figured out/demanded universal healthcare over the past 60 years. We not going to suddenly discover UBI or reasonable welfare programs either.

If you notice, at no point have I suggested opening school again or making teachers go in.  My point is that you can't give parents more stuff to do when they're struggling already. Consider the school year a loss, move on.
 
2020-07-21 8:23:33 AM  
1 vote:

skinink: Alphax: SpectroBoy: Nimbull: I'd resign if I was a teacher. No way I'd go back in to that mess especially since they don't really pay enough to be a baby sitter for the kids much less go in to pandemic infested school.

Maybe you would. Maybe you wouldn't. (ITG talk?)

The teachers I know need their paycheck and their health insurance and can't afford to just quit while most schools are closed.

If you're willing to sacrifice your life and your kids lives for a PAYCHECK, you have no business being a teacher.

You think the people working in supermarkets and other places that stayed open during the pandemic are doing it despite the money? People have bills to pay and might not have the options to sit it out. I wish everyone were able to do the best to protect themselves and others. But every situation is different, and if the Feds/local governments aren't going to step up to protect us, then I'm not sure how people should respond.


I feel like "Teachers should step up and sacrifice for their students by teaching in a pandemic" and "Teachers should step up and resign rather than force their students to come to work in a pandemic" are both sort of equally exploitative arguments, and that both of them rely on a mindset that thinks that teachers should be teaching purely as a labour of love, for the children, with no attention paid to their own material needs, and if they so much as think about how they're going to pay the rent they are unworthy of the profession.

Which, frankly, is only a thing people think because teaching is traditionally women's work in the United States.
 
2020-07-21 8:11:50 AM  
1 vote:
"Starting" year thirty-four in the classroom. My take is this. If DeSantis and his GOP minions want to force schools to open as if their's no pandemic going on, feel free......... Watch how many teachers refuse to go back to work. Donny, Ronnie and the rest of the GOP douche bags simple don't care how many teachers. students, staff. parents and others contract the coronavirus symptomatically or asymptomatically. This is the real issue. if y'all think things are bad now, you ain't seen nothing yet. One asymptomatic child on a bus has the ability to expose or infect forty plus people before it gets to it's first school. Multiply that by that by twenty to thirty buses, depending on the school. size and location. Whose. going to disinfect every bus between runs???? (High School, Elementary and Middle) every day????? Think about one sick kid on each bus..........

Forget the beach exposure.......... The spike would be apocalyptic.........

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2020-07-21 7:47:02 AM  
1 vote:

Alphax: SpectroBoy: Nimbull: I'd resign if I was a teacher. No way I'd go back in to that mess especially since they don't really pay enough to be a baby sitter for the kids much less go in to pandemic infested school.

Maybe you would. Maybe you wouldn't. (ITG talk?)

The teachers I know need their paycheck and their health insurance and can't afford to just quit while most schools are closed.

If you're willing to sacrifice your life and your kids lives for a PAYCHECK, you have no business being a teacher.


You think the people working in supermarkets and other places that stayed open during the pandemic are doing it despite the money? People have bills to pay and might not have the options to sit it out. I wish everyone were able to do the best to protect themselves and others. But every situation is different, and if the Feds/local governments aren't going to step up to protect us, then I'm not sure how people should respond.
 
2020-07-21 7:21:37 AM  
1 vote:
That might be an improvement.  Sharks don't attack humans often, we taste awful to them.

The high salinity and sunshine might disinfect everyone.  I'd say it will improve their odds by 10-20%.
 
2020-07-21 7:18:45 AM  
1 vote:

Zeb Hesselgresser: Teachers:  He'll no, we are not 'essential workers'.

OK, lay them off, hire replacements.


Hey - if reality show hosts can give medical advice, beauticians and manicurists can teach kids!
To hell with "expertise" - it's always been a liberal hoax!
Real Americans do things without knowing how!
 
2020-07-21 7:04:02 AM  
1 vote:
And DeSantis, in the tradition of brave, masculine Republicans, declares he had nothing to do with the decisions of his subordinates:  https://www.politico.com/states/flor​id​a/story/2020/07/20/florida-teachers-su​e-as-desantis-distances-himself-from-s​chool-openings-1302355
 
2020-07-21 7:03:22 AM  
1 vote:

Nimbull: I'd resign if I was a teacher. No way I'd go back in to that mess especially since they don't really pay enough to be a baby sitter for the kids much less go in to pandemic infested school.


Maybe you would. Maybe you wouldn't. (ITG talk?)

The teachers I know need their paycheck and their health insurance and can't afford to just quit while most schools are closed.
 
2020-07-21 6:41:10 AM  
1 vote:
Well according to the guy at work the kids will be fine because only the old and people with preexisting conditions die from the virus and all the kids are having covid parties to catch it anyways. He is also pushing the GOP BS about how Europe beat it by herd immunity and thats why they aren't getting a second wave. Didn't have the heart to tell him we are still in the first wave because of people like him and point out his many, many inaccuracies with his points on Europe.
 
2020-07-21 6:15:03 AM  
1 vote:
I'd resign if I was a teacher. No way I'd go back in to that mess especially since they don't really pay enough to be a baby sitter for the kids much less go in to pandemic infested school.
 
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