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2020-07-21 2:04:50 PM  

thrillbilly1967: Well they forget to mention other employees. Kitchen custodial bus drivers. We are all in the same predicament.

It's even worse for bus drivers. The teacher will be in a classroom with on average 25 kids. She can have total control of the kids.

Bus driver....trapped in a space the size of 1.5 classroom with 72 kids no help and having to drive at the same time. Who do you think has the most dangerous job?

And this bullshiat of "put one kid per seat every other seat" wont work for about 3/4 of the children. Because they live in rural areas. I work in the transportation department of the county system here. Most of our routes average 1 hr to 1 hr and 30 mins. Routes start between 545 and 615 and most end at 720 at the school they are assigned. So if we did that it would take at least 2 trips per bus. So we would have to put kids on a bus at 330am and they wouldn't be getting home til about 7pm. Anyone think that's even remotely sensible?

And this has already made us severely short handed. We have 127 full time drivers a dozen "utility" full time and 23 active sub drivers. We have had 29 people retire since March when they ended school. 5 utility quit and of the 23 active subs 11 asked to be removed from the call list. We average 1 to 2 retire a year normally.

System wide we had as of the last board meeting last month 239 people retire system wide. And these are employees that had no intention of retiring before Corona. And we have a great number saying when our systems plan rolls out next week they will retire if they dont like the plan.

At our last supervisory meeting we figured we will lose about 500 employees to retirement. And that's up until Thanksgiving. And in an average year system wide is usually less than 20.


I'm a teacher and definitely feel your pain. Kids won't be able to socially distance in any setting, even if they want to which they don't.

I'm waiting to see how many staff members in my school decide not to return. I already know the plan though: basically school as normal with masks. I think a number of schools are pretty much the same. And I think a lot of people will straight up quit in August when things become a little more real. A I've said numerous times, it's going to be a shiatshow of epic proportions.
 
2020-07-21 2:07:43 PM  

ChrisDe: My local school board is having a lot of Zoom meetings to discuss sending students and teachers back to school.


Remember that Utah County meeting to discuss the same? That was in person, crowded and hardly anyone wearing masks. And they decided to terminate the meeting because it didn't follow health code guidelines. Hey morons! What do you think actual school will look like?
 
2020-07-21 2:21:46 PM  

SpectroBoy: lindalouwho: Zeb Hesselgresser: Teachers:  He'll no, we are not 'essential workers'.

OK, lay them off, hire replacements.

Lol where do you think they're going to get that many real teachers? There is already a shortage, and young people going toato college aren't especially interested in going into a profession they've seen get screwed their whole lives.

I found your mistake in the first sentence.


I thought 'toato' was my mistake.
;)
 
2020-07-21 3:05:41 PM  

Kali-Ma: If you notice, at no point have I suggested opening school again or making teachers go in.  My point is that you can't give parents more stuff to do when they're struggling already. Consider the school year a loss, move on.


The main problem we have is that our government has morphed into a conglomerate that looks after other conglomerates. The thing about government being of the people, by the people and for the people is horseshiat these days. Bottom line is that the government has failed (and has been failing for a long time) and is not looking out for the best interests of the people.

The quickest way to fix this is for everyone to stay home. All the "government" cares about is money flow. If everyone stays home not only will the pandemic be brought under control it will destroy the economy and thus destroy the government which relies on that flow of money. In other words:

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2020-07-21 3:06:07 PM  
pkjun:

Get rid of them, and what do you replace them with?

In his mind the answer is easy; replace the teachers with Trump voters to undo the liberal brainwashing.
 
2020-07-21 3:38:18 PM  

Mrtraveler01: MilesTeg: People would rather stay home and get paid for doing nothing than going in and working? Who would have thought?

Virtual teaching is "doing nothing"?

I see the schools have failed you.


Yea 10 hours a week or so of streaming content to "teach".. OK..

People would rather stay home and work part time getting full time pay than going into work? Who would have thought?

Corrected for you...
 
2020-07-21 3:58:34 PM  

MilesTeg: Mrtraveler01: MilesTeg: People would rather stay home and get paid for doing nothing than going in and working? Who would have thought?

Virtual teaching is "doing nothing"?

I see the schools have failed you.

Yea 10 hours a week or so of streaming content to "teach".. OK..

People would rather stay home and work part time getting full time pay than going into work? Who would have thought?

Corrected for you...


Teachers need to spend as much time lesson planning and marking work as ever. The only difference is that now they also need to maintain their VLE/LMS systems and spend time upskilling on remote delivery as well. Not being in a classroom doesn't meaningfully change their work schedule.
 
2020-07-21 4:53:35 PM  

pkjun: MilesTeg: Mrtraveler01: MilesTeg: People would rather stay home and get paid for doing nothing than going in and working? Who would have thought?

Virtual teaching is "doing nothing"?

I see the schools have failed you.

Yea 10 hours a week or so of streaming content to "teach".. OK..

People would rather stay home and work part time getting full time pay than going into work? Who would have thought?

Corrected for you...

Teachers need to spend as much time lesson planning and marking work as ever. The only difference is that now they also need to maintain their VLE/LMS systems and spend time upskilling on remote delivery as well. Not being in a classroom doesn't meaningfully change their work schedule.


That all depends on the district...in my district, they were not doing this.  They were not streaming teaching, they were not developing lessons (it was outsourced to another company and had little relation to the work they had been doing in the classroom), they were not leaving comments on work and they were only grading numbers per rubric.  We're not sure what awaits in the fall, but the focus during the announcement of extended distance learning was "we're going to train the parents so they can teach the curriculum" not "we're going to re-train the teachers to provide more meaningful teaching," so I'm not exactly hopeful.  And this is the case across most of the US - the distance learning has been a disaster and they seem unwilling to do anything to make it better.

Strange question - what do you do for a living?  You appear to have bounced around a lot per your profile and may have a tenuous grasp on what most American parents (particularly in the Mid-Atlantic, which is particularly cutthroat and brutal when it comes to labor) actually deal with on a regular basis.  I've been told multiple times by my employers that my focus should not be on my child, that he can linger in the nurse's office with a with a split open forehead, that I'm a bad employee for reserving my PTO for child care issues (PTO I'm fully entitled to and wouldn't hear word one about if I were traveling somewhere instead). And it's only become worse as I've secured better positions. The entire system is designed to actively exclude parents and they have no incentive to change it.  Our birthrate is still good and people still take the stress/risk on their own shoulders (the birthrate in Europe is crumbling, so the government has incentive to be nicer there).
 
2020-07-21 4:55:17 PM  

powhound: Kali-Ma: If you notice, at no point have I suggested opening school again or making teachers go in.  My point is that you can't give parents more stuff to do when they're struggling already. Consider the school year a loss, move on.

The main problem we have is that our government has morphed into a conglomerate that looks after other conglomerates. The thing about government being of the people, by the people and for the people is horseshiat these days. Bottom line is that the government has failed (and has been failing for a long time) and is not looking out for the best interests of the people.

The quickest way to fix this is for everyone to stay home. All the "government" cares about is money flow. If everyone stays home not only will the pandemic be brought under control it will destroy the economy and thus destroy the government which relies on that flow of money. In other words:

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And what comes in to replace it? Utopia? I'm guessing chaos.
 
2020-07-22 5:39:46 AM  

hubiestubert: [Fark user image 600x600]


Has nothing to do with God. 2020 is the result of someone using "Cards Against Humanity" as a Tarot deck.
 
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