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2020-07-21 3:20:38 AM  
I can't even this headline.
 
2020-07-21 3:41:42 AM  
Good. The health, safety, and sanity of the teachers are the last thing on the minds of anybody who has a stake in public education, especially with school boards and state office-holders.

"F*ck the teachers. They have to do what we say."

Well, f*ck you right back.
 
2020-07-21 5:07:07 AM  

syrynxx: I can't even this headline.


That's okay, the admin on duty speaks Florida Man.
 
2020-07-21 5:27:23 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: Good. The health, safety, and sanity of the teachers are the last thing on the minds of anybody who has a stake in public education, especially with school boards and state office-holders.

"F*ck the teachers. They have to do what we say."

Well, f*ck you right back.


But it's so much worse.

They're also saying fark the kids, the parents, their families, families of teachers, co-workers and associates, the economy, etc etc etc.

All because Republicans won't admit they've fought against increased benefits (for emergencies or just general stuff) for decades, and now it's caught us with our pants down.
 
2020-07-21 5:29:46 AM  

puffy999: ecmoRandomNumbers: Good. The health, safety, and sanity of the teachers are the last thing on the minds of anybody who has a stake in public education, especially with school boards and state office-holders.

"F*ck the teachers. They have to do what we say."

Well, f*ck you right back.

But it's so much worse.

They're also saying fark the kids, the parents, their families, families of teachers, co-workers and associates, the economy, etc etc etc.

All because Republicans won't admit they've fought against increased benefits (for emergencies or just general stuff) for decades, and now it's caught us with our pants down.


And if your pants are already down, FARK ALL THE THINGS!
 
2020-07-21 5:38:12 AM  
I think they, the Republican leaders of the state, are trying this because they are thinking that the people will turn against the teachers. I think the factors they are counting on are:
1. Parents need the schools open so with the kids in school the parents can go to work.
2. Teachers are unionized, with all associated benefits. In a time when lots are out of work, this can cause envy and resentment which Republicans can exploit.
3. People who are working might feel 'if I can still go to work, why can't teachers?'.
4. Some people think the virus is no big deal so those people will be against the teachers.

Who knows, it might work. I suspect that more parents will understand that this is a dangerous move though, and I don't think there will be an anti-teacher backlash.
 
2020-07-21 5:39:53 AM  

Farking Clown Shoes: puffy999: ecmoRandomNumbers: Good. The health, safety, and sanity of the teachers are the last thing on the minds of anybody who has a stake in public education, especially with school boards and state office-holders.

"F*ck the teachers. They have to do what we say."

Well, f*ck you right back.

But it's so much worse.

They're also saying fark the kids, the parents, their families, families of teachers, co-workers and associates, the economy, etc etc etc.

All because Republicans won't admit they've fought against increased benefits (for emergencies or just general stuff) for decades, and now it's caught us with our pants down.

And if your pants are already down, FARK ALL THE THINGS!


Username checks out.
 
2020-07-21 5:47:27 AM  
Teachers:  He'll no, we are not 'essential workers'.

OK, lay them off, hire replacements.
 
2020-07-21 5:51:24 AM  
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2020-07-21 5:56:11 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: Teachers:  He'll no, we are not 'essential workers'.

OK, lay them off, hire replacements.


Untrained teachers?

Gotta make future GOP voters somehow, I guess...lead in the water supply wasn't doing the job fast enough.

/smooths the brain nicely
 
2020-07-21 6:02:25 AM  
Because if kids get COVID at school, they don't go home to Mom and Dad at the end of the school day?
 
2020-07-21 6:04:03 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: Teachers:  He'll no, we are not 'essential workers'.

OK, lay them off, hire replacements.


Lol where do you think they're going to get that many real teachers? There is already a shortage, and young people going toato college aren't especially interested in going into a profession they've seen get screwed their whole lives.
 
2020-07-21 6:10:25 AM  

puffy999: Farking Clown Shoes: puffy999: ecmoRandomNumbers: Good. The health, safety, and sanity of the teachers are the last thing on the minds of anybody who has a stake in public education, especially with school boards and state office-holders.

"F*ck the teachers. They have to do what we say."

Well, f*ck you right back.

But it's so much worse.

They're also saying fark the kids, the parents, their families, families of teachers, co-workers and associates, the economy, etc etc etc.

All because Republicans won't admit they've fought against increased benefits (for emergencies or just general stuff) for decades, and now it's caught us with our pants down.

And if your pants are already down, FARK ALL THE THINGS!

Username checks out.


Just because my name is "Farking Clown Shoes" doesn't mean I fark 'em. Anyone who can has my utmost respect.
 
2020-07-21 6:12:18 AM  
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2020-07-21 6:15:03 AM  
I'd resign if I was a teacher. No way I'd go back in to that mess especially since they don't really pay enough to be a baby sitter for the kids much less go in to pandemic infested school.
 
2020-07-21 6:16:31 AM  

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Plot twist: Amish wrote that
 
2020-07-21 6:19:21 AM  
If they try to force the schools open in the pandemic, they'll just experience the same thing Britain did when we tried to force our schools into staying open: the infection rate went into overdrive, staff started getting covid and had to call in sick, they ran out of substitute/supply teachers and staff members, schools started chaotically shutting down one by one when they realised at 7:30 AM that letting students in the door would violate the legal staffing requirements for health and safety, local councils started announcing they would have to shut down regardless of what the government guidelines were, and then the government was forced into admitting that all schools really did need to be shut down.

You can't just wish a pandemic away any more than you could wish away a hurricane. Your options are to admit you're going where you're going and start plotting a course through and out of it, or to be dragged along by events kicking and screaming and then find yourself in a bad situation with no plan and no way out.
 
2020-07-21 6:20:02 AM  
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Fig 1.1. Actual file photo of the Florida Educational System in 2020
 
2020-07-21 6:34:27 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: Teachers:  He'll no, we are not 'essential workers'.

OK, lay them off, hire replacements.


LOL. Replace them with what?

Florida is already scraping the bottom of the barrel. You can teach for three years on a "temporary certificate" with zero training and no qualifications beyond a BA in anything where you managed to scrape a 2.5 GPA in any vaguely related subject, and some schools are so pressed for staff that they've applied for waivers to forgo even that minimal requirement: about one in ten students are taught by uncertified teachers! 

Even by the most minimal conceivable qualifying standards, Florida does not have enough "teachers" to fill its classrooms. Get rid of them, and what do you replace them with?
 
2020-07-21 6:37:43 AM  
Results of a local county poll of teachers and staff showed that more than 60% would retire, quit, or take a leave of absence if required to return in August.
A personal friend of mine is a substitute teacher. He said that "with one-third staffing you don't have enough adults to handle just putting the kids on the football field and letting them run around, much less actually holding classes in enclosed spaces."
So the Commissioner can mandate whatever he likes, school openings in August (20 days from now!) aren't likely to last long. And with about half of those teachers who choose not to return either quitting or retiring, the permanent loss of experienced staff will make any future reopening that much more difficult.
So I'm expecting DeSantis to issue some kind of decree that it's illegal for teachers to quit or retire this school year, because Florida.
 
2020-07-21 6:41:10 AM  
Well according to the guy at work the kids will be fine because only the old and people with preexisting conditions die from the virus and all the kids are having covid parties to catch it anyways. He is also pushing the GOP BS about how Europe beat it by herd immunity and thats why they aren't getting a second wave. Didn't have the heart to tell him we are still in the first wave because of people like him and point out his many, many inaccuracies with his points on Europe.
 
2020-07-21 6:51:56 AM  

groppet: Well according to the guy at work the kids will be fine because only the old and people with preexisting conditions die from the virus and all the kids are having covid parties to catch it anyways. He is also pushing the GOP BS about how Europe beat it by herd immunity and thats why they aren't getting a second wave. Didn't have the heart to tell him we are still in the first wave because of people like him and point out his many, many inaccuracies with his points on Europe.


You should have. F#ck these assholes.
 
2020-07-21 6:56:18 AM  
If we are going to proceed with the same logic as our government uses, then perhaps these solutions will help:

1. Put up microscopic signs that say: " It is illegal for viruses to infect school children" ... the virus will comply.
2. Alternately face children away from one another to prevent transmission.
3. Walk backwards between classes so your carbon dioxide blows away from you.
4. Hold classes next to windows so the UV light kills it.
5. Lysol in the milk.
6. Turn on the fire sprinklers one per hour to wash the children.
7. Send the children home to the wrong houses so they can't infect their parents.
8. Have the teachers teach from the hallway so they won't be exposed.
9. Have half the kids ride on the bus roof to keep the 6 foot social distancing limit in place.
10. Turn off all water fountains, close the bathrooms and cafeteria, and shut off the air conditioners.

There you go! Problem solved!
 
2020-07-21 7:01:18 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: Teachers:  He'll no, we are not 'essential workers'.

OK, lay them off, hire replacements.


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2020-07-21 7:01:44 AM  

Somaticasual: [Fark user image image 850x1003]
Fig 1.1. Actual file photo of the Florida Educational System in 2020


And it's consistent.  Republicans love Goya.

This one is their favorite Goya.
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2020-07-21 7:02:04 AM  

lindalouwho: Zeb Hesselgresser: Teachers:  He'll no, we are not 'essential workers'.

OK, lay them off, hire replacements.

Lol where do you think they're going to get that many real teachers? There is already a shortage, and young people going toato college aren't especially interested in going into a profession they've seen get screwed their whole lives.


I found your mistake in the first sentence.
 
2020-07-21 7:03:22 AM  

Nimbull: I'd resign if I was a teacher. No way I'd go back in to that mess especially since they don't really pay enough to be a baby sitter for the kids much less go in to pandemic infested school.


Maybe you would. Maybe you wouldn't. (ITG talk?)

The teachers I know need their paycheck and their health insurance and can't afford to just quit while most schools are closed.
 
2020-07-21 7:04:02 AM  
And DeSantis, in the tradition of brave, masculine Republicans, declares he had nothing to do with the decisions of his subordinates:  https://www.politico.com/states/flor​id​a/story/2020/07/20/florida-teachers-su​e-as-desantis-distances-himself-from-s​chool-openings-1302355
 
2020-07-21 7:04:53 AM  

SpectroBoy: Nimbull: I'd resign if I was a teacher. No way I'd go back in to that mess especially since they don't really pay enough to be a baby sitter for the kids much less go in to pandemic infested school.

Maybe you would. Maybe you wouldn't. (ITG talk?)

The teachers I know need their paycheck and their health insurance and can't afford to just quit while most schools are closed.


If you're willing to sacrifice your life and your kids lives for a PAYCHECK, you have no business being a teacher.
 
2020-07-21 7:07:20 AM  

amigafin: If we are going to proceed with the same logic as our government uses, then perhaps these solutions will help:

1. Put up microscopic signs that say: " It is illegal for viruses to infect school children" ... the virus will comply.
2. Alternately face children away from one another to prevent transmission.
3. Walk backwards between classes so your carbon dioxide blows away from you.
4. Hold classes next to windows so the UV light kills it.
5. Lysol in the milk.
6. Turn on the fire sprinklers one per hour to wash the children.
7. Send the children home to the wrong houses so they can't infect their parents.
8. Have the teachers teach from the hallway so they won't be exposed.
9. Have half the kids ride on the bus roof to keep the 6 foot social distancing limit in place.
10. Turn off all water fountains, close the bathrooms and cafeteria, and shut off the air conditioners.

There you go! Problem solved!


You forgot to give the teachers guns so they can shoot anyone who sneezes.
 
2020-07-21 7:07:57 AM  
Using  unqualified teachers is Farks plan to keep Florida tag fresh.
 
2020-07-21 7:18:08 AM  
a local tv station interviewed a parent
"i want my kids back in school. they are not well behaved and i have trouble teaching them at home"
 
2020-07-21 7:18:45 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: Teachers:  He'll no, we are not 'essential workers'.

OK, lay them off, hire replacements.


Hey - if reality show hosts can give medical advice, beauticians and manicurists can teach kids!
To hell with "expertise" - it's always been a liberal hoax!
Real Americans do things without knowing how!
 
2020-07-21 7:18:56 AM  
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2020-07-21 7:21:37 AM  
That might be an improvement.  Sharks don't attack humans often, we taste awful to them.

The high salinity and sunshine might disinfect everyone.  I'd say it will improve their odds by 10-20%.
 
2020-07-21 7:37:26 AM  
Duty of Care

In tort law, a duty of care is a legal obligation which is imposed on an individual requiring adherence to a standard of reasonable care while performing any acts that could foreseeably harm others. It is the first element that must be established to proceed with an action in negligence. The claimant must be able to show a duty of care imposed by law which the defendant has breached. In turn, breaching a duty may subject an individual to liability. The duty of care may be imposed by operation of law between individuals who have no current direct relationship (familial or contractual or otherwise) but eventually become related in some manner, as defined by common law (meaning case law).

Duty of care may be considered a formalisation of the social contract, the implicit responsibilities held by individuals towards others within society. It is not a requirement that a duty of care be defined by law, though it will often develop through the jurisprudence of common law.
 
2020-07-21 7:39:35 AM  

Alphax: SpectroBoy: Nimbull: I'd resign if I was a teacher. No way I'd go back in to that mess especially since they don't really pay enough to be a baby sitter for the kids much less go in to pandemic infested school.

Maybe you would. Maybe you wouldn't. (ITG talk?)

The teachers I know need their paycheck and their health insurance and can't afford to just quit while most schools are closed.

If you're willing to sacrifice your life and your kids lives for a PAYCHECK, you have no business being a teacher.


If you don't get a paycheck and employer-provided health insurance you're sacrificing your life.

Most teachers are up against the edge of poverty anyway. Asking them to choose between the possibility of covid and the certainty of homelessness, with children being materially damaged either way, is not conscionable.
 
2020-07-21 7:42:55 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Because if kids get COVID at school, they don't go home to Mom and Dad at the end of the school day?


See, you're playing 3D Elite Ivory Tower chess there..These people don't want that stuff, they want
their kids in school!

/ You probably eat argula and brown mustard
// in a tan suit
/// IVORY TOWER!
 
2020-07-21 7:47:02 AM  

Alphax: SpectroBoy: Nimbull: I'd resign if I was a teacher. No way I'd go back in to that mess especially since they don't really pay enough to be a baby sitter for the kids much less go in to pandemic infested school.

Maybe you would. Maybe you wouldn't. (ITG talk?)

The teachers I know need their paycheck and their health insurance and can't afford to just quit while most schools are closed.

If you're willing to sacrifice your life and your kids lives for a PAYCHECK, you have no business being a teacher.


You think the people working in supermarkets and other places that stayed open during the pandemic are doing it despite the money? People have bills to pay and might not have the options to sit it out. I wish everyone were able to do the best to protect themselves and others. But every situation is different, and if the Feds/local governments aren't going to step up to protect us, then I'm not sure how people should respond.
 
2020-07-21 7:51:44 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: Teachers:  He'll no, we are not 'essential workers'.

OK, lay them off, hire replacements.


And For less pay and  forced babysitting services during the summer months, and Spring break.

///let's do this right
 
2020-07-21 7:54:43 AM  

SpectroBoy: Nimbull: I'd resign if I was a teacher. No way I'd go back in to that mess especially since they don't really pay enough to be a baby sitter for the kids much less go in to pandemic infested school.

Maybe you would. Maybe you wouldn't. (ITG talk?)

The teachers I know need their paycheck and their health insurance and can't afford to just quit while most schools are closed.


Won't have a paycheck and insurance for long if you catch COVID-19, need a ventilator, and all the ICUs are at capacity in the state. Families can't be fed and cared for if you are six feet under.
 
2020-07-21 8:03:04 AM  
Well they forget to mention other employees. Kitchen custodial bus drivers. We are all in the same predicament.

It's even worse for bus drivers. The teacher will be in a classroom with on average 25 kids. She can have total control of the kids.

Bus driver....trapped in a space the size of 1.5 classroom with 72 kids no help and having to drive at the same time. Who do you think has the most dangerous job?

And this bullshiat of "put one kid per seat every other seat" wont work for about 3/4 of the children. Because they live in rural areas. I work in the transportation department of the county system here. Most of our routes average 1 hr to 1 hr and 30 mins. Routes start between 545 and 615 and most end at 720 at the school they are assigned. So if we did that it would take at least 2 trips per bus. So we would have to put kids on a bus at 330am and they wouldn't be getting home til about 7pm. Anyone think that's even remotely sensible?

And this has already made us severely short handed. We have 127 full time drivers a dozen "utility" full time and 23 active sub drivers. We have had 29 people retire since March when they ended school. 5 utility quit and of the 23 active subs 11 asked to be removed from the call list. We average 1 to 2 retire a year normally.

System wide we had as of the last board meeting last month 239 people retire system wide. And these are employees that had no intention of retiring before Corona. And we have a great number saying when our systems plan rolls out next week they will retire if they dont like the plan.

At our last supervisory meeting we figured we will lose about 500 employees to retirement. And that's up until Thanksgiving. And in an average year system wide is usually less than 20.
 
2020-07-21 8:03:56 AM  

pkjun: Alphax: SpectroBoy: Nimbull: I'd resign if I was a teacher. No way I'd go back in to that mess especially since they don't really pay enough to be a baby sitter for the kids much less go in to pandemic infested school.

Maybe you would. Maybe you wouldn't. (ITG talk?)

The teachers I know need their paycheck and their health insurance and can't afford to just quit while most schools are closed.

If you're willing to sacrifice your life and your kids lives for a PAYCHECK, you have no business being a teacher.

If you don't get a paycheck and employer-provided health insurance you're sacrificing your life.

Most teachers are up against the edge of poverty anyway. Asking them to choose between the possibility of covid and the certainty of homelessness, with children being materially damaged either way, is not conscionable.


Substitutes work for extra pay. Most won't be retuning. Many teachers close to retire will retire early. If you have a two person household income many will consider a leave of absence. There will not be enough qualified teachers to fill the void.
 
2020-07-21 8:10:07 AM  
My local school board is having a lot of Zoom meetings to discuss sending students and teachers back to school.
 
2020-07-21 8:10:08 AM  

Nimbull: SpectroBoy: Nimbull: I'd resign if I was a teacher. No way I'd go back in to that mess especially since they don't really pay enough to be a baby sitter for the kids much less go in to pandemic infested school.

Maybe you would. Maybe you wouldn't. (ITG talk?)

The teachers I know need their paycheck and their health insurance and can't afford to just quit while most schools are closed.

Won't have a paycheck and insurance for long if you catch COVID-19, need a ventilator, and all the ICUs are at capacity in the state. Families can't be fed and cared for if you are six feet under.


10% chance of needing hospital treatment versus 100% chance of homelessness and inability to pay for hopsital treatment if you do get sick from some Maskfree plague rat in the Publix.

Yeah, sorry, the maths don't work out there for making this an issue of individual choice. It needs to be an issue of collective bargaining.
 
2020-07-21 8:10:13 AM  

groppet: Well according to the guy at work the kids will be fine because only the old and people with preexisting conditions die from the virus and all the kids are having covid parties to catch it anyways. He is also pushing the GOP BS about how Europe beat it by herd immunity and thats why they aren't getting a second wave. Didn't have the heart to tell him we are still in the first wave because of people like him and point out his many, many inaccuracies with his points on Europe.


As a Canadian, our best argument for wearing masks and a controlled opening of the economy is to just gesture southward.
 
2020-07-21 8:11:26 AM  

solokumba: pkjun: Alphax: SpectroBoy: Nimbull: I'd resign if I was a teacher. No way I'd go back in to that mess especially since they don't really pay enough to be a baby sitter for the kids much less go in to pandemic infested school.

Maybe you would. Maybe you wouldn't. (ITG talk?)

The teachers I know need their paycheck and their health insurance and can't afford to just quit while most schools are closed.

If you're willing to sacrifice your life and your kids lives for a PAYCHECK, you have no business being a teacher.

If you don't get a paycheck and employer-provided health insurance you're sacrificing your life.

Most teachers are up against the edge of poverty anyway. Asking them to choose between the possibility of covid and the certainty of homelessness, with children being materially damaged either way, is not conscionable.

Substitutes work for extra pay. Most won't be retuning. Many teachers close to retire will retire early. If you have a two person household income many will consider a leave of absence. There will not be enough qualified teachers to fill the void.


Yes, I agree completely. Leaving this up to individual choice is going to be a disaster on a number of fronts, and will probably just result in schools shutting due to inability to find staff eventually anyway. The question is how many lives get ruined along the way.
 
2020-07-21 8:11:50 AM  
"Starting" year thirty-four in the classroom. My take is this. If DeSantis and his GOP minions want to force schools to open as if their's no pandemic going on, feel free......... Watch how many teachers refuse to go back to work. Donny, Ronnie and the rest of the GOP douche bags simple don't care how many teachers. students, staff. parents and others contract the coronavirus symptomatically or asymptomatically. This is the real issue. if y'all think things are bad now, you ain't seen nothing yet. One asymptomatic child on a bus has the ability to expose or infect forty plus people before it gets to it's first school. Multiply that by that by twenty to thirty buses, depending on the school. size and location. Whose. going to disinfect every bus between runs???? (High School, Elementary and Middle) every day????? Think about one sick kid on each bus..........

Forget the beach exposure.......... The spike would be apocalyptic.........

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2020-07-21 8:15:17 AM  

syrynxx: I can't even this headline.


For some reason subby thinks teachers want to feed their students to sharks.

\not that I disapprove
 
2020-07-21 8:18:10 AM  

lindalouwho: Zeb Hesselgresser: Teachers:  He'll no, we are not 'essential workers'.

OK, lay them off, hire replacements.

Lol where do you think they're going to get that many real teachers? There is already a shortage, and young people going toato college aren't especially interested in going into a profession they've seen get screwed their whole lives.


Like Republicans care about real teachers, or real education.
 
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