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(Federal Aviation Administration)   DHS closes the airspace over Portland. The drone footage must be off the hook   (tfr.faa.gov) divider line
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2020-07-18 8:57:38 PM  
WTF is going on in Portland?
 
2020-07-18 9:07:29 PM  

AirForceVet: WTF is going on in Portland?


No more avocado toast. The millennials rioted.
 
2020-07-18 9:15:43 PM  
This is... concerning.
 
2020-07-18 9:16:00 PM  

AirForceVet: WTF is going on in Portland?


Trump's larping tin pot dictator.
 
2020-07-18 9:16:02 PM  

AirForceVet: WTF is going on in Portland?


Fascism.
 
2020-07-18 9:16:36 PM  

AirForceVet: WTF is going on in Portland?


Well on one side you have paramilitary units with no names or unit markings snatching people off the street and throwing them into unmarked minivans and on the other side are people spray painting the side of a federal courthouse.
 
2020-07-18 9:18:43 PM  
From what I can read, it appears to only apply to a one mile radius around a beacon called "Battle Ground Vortac". From what I gather its a beacon used by police et al. This order has been in effect since the 16th.
 
2020-07-18 9:18:49 PM  

AirForceVet: WTF is going on in Portland?


Experiments in American fascism
 
2020-07-18 9:19:11 PM  
Such violence. Much fear.

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2020-07-18 9:20:05 PM  
Those reaper drones need some space to maneuver.
 
2020-07-18 9:22:20 PM  

cman: From what I can read, it appears to only apply to a one mile radius around a beacon called "Battle Ground Vortac". From what I gather its a beacon used by police et al. This order has been in effect since the 16th.


Addendum

1 nautical mile. A nautical mile is slightly larger than a standard mile.

I also can see that aircraft may be shot down if found in that area.
 
2020-07-18 9:25:25 PM  
Here's the cop's Cessna track

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2020-07-18 9:25:37 PM  

AirForceVet: WTF is going on in Portland?


Practice.
 
2020-07-18 9:26:23 PM  
 
2020-07-18 9:55:12 PM  
So is Trump preparing a photo opp to hold up a bible in front of a federal building in Portland?
 
2020-07-18 9:59:26 PM  
I know it's worn out.

But.....if Obama had done this
 
2020-07-18 10:42:57 PM  
OMG people. While the feds are clearly on a power trip in Portland, this is a 1 mile radius circle up to 1000 ft above ground level over downtown Portland. That is the minimum recommended altitude for a plane flying over a densely populated area anyhow. It does look like it closes the helipad in downtown though. There are TFRs constantly all over the US daily and no one except pilots pay any attention.

cman: From what I gather its a beacon used by police et al. This order has been in effect since the 16th.


No. Despite the unfortunate name "Battle Ground VORTAC" is the standard aviation navigational beacon serving the Portland International airport. It is what everyone aims at if they are flying to Portland with low viability. It has likely been called that since it was installed in the 80s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VORTAC.​

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2020-07-18 10:49:17 PM  

cman: From what I can read, it appears to only apply to a one mile radius around a beacon called "Battle Ground Vortac". From what I gather its a beacon used by police et al. This order has been in effect since the 16th.


Of course, you would say that. Expand your thinking. What if the federal agents were doing such warrentless captures to those you support and/or have concerns about?

Dude, the rule of law is paramount in American democracy, cman. The fact allows us all to have equal say without retribution from an opposing government.

Fight back against this fascism now, before it consumes you, too.
 
2020-07-18 11:06:06 PM  

Bajtaur: No. Despite the unfortunate name "Battle Ground VORTAC" is the standard aviation navigational beacon serving the Portland International airport.


Ahh, thanks for the correction. Cursory Google searches dont always give one a full explanation.

AirForceVet: cman: From what I can read, it appears to only apply to a one mile radius around a beacon called "Battle Ground Vortac". From what I gather its a beacon used by police et al. This order has been in effect since the 16th.

Of course, you would say that. Expand your thinking. What if the federal agents were doing such warrentless captures to those you support and/or have concerns about?

Dude, the rule of law is paramount in American democracy, cman. The fact allows us all to have equal say without retribution from an opposing government.

Fight back against this fascism now, before it consumes you, too.


Folks are a bit on edge due to recent events concerning the federal government disregarding the 10th amendment and arresting Oregon citizens. It would be wise to objectively read linked articles instead of going off of Fark headlines. So thats what I did. I added no commentary or opinion.
 
2020-07-18 11:06:10 PM  

AirForceVet: cman: From what I can read, it appears to only apply to a one mile radius around a beacon called "Battle Ground Vortac". From what I gather its a beacon used by police et al. This order has been in effect since the 16th.

Of course, you would say that. Expand your thinking. What if the federal agents were doing such warrentless captures to those you support and/or have concerns about?

Dude, the rule of law is paramount in American democracy, cman. The fact allows us all to have equal say without retribution from an opposing government.

Fight back against this fascism now, before it consumes you, too.


This. No one ever thinks they could be next. Fascism requires an "other", and on a long enough timeline, anyone can be the "other".
 
2020-07-19 12:21:25 AM  

AirForceVet: the rule of law is paramount in American democracy, cman. The fact allows us all to have equal say without retribution from an opposing government.


To build on this:

The rule of law only binds the people who agree to it.  If someone doesn't agree to be bound by the rule of law, and you want them to comply, you have to use force to ensure that happens.  In normal times, this threat/use of force is outsourced to the justice system.  If the justice system doesn't exist (functionally or literally), and if you aren't willing to force them to stop, then someone who refuses to comply with the law is free to do as they like.

With that in mind:
1) Does the right wing in this country (including but not limited to the Trump Administration and the law enforcement in general) seem like it has agreed to be bound to the rule of law?
2) Are we willing to accept the country we are going to get if/when the above are not held to the rule of law, and if nobody is willing to force them to comply with same?

If the answer to both of those is "no", then you are left with two choices. To flee beyond the reach of those outside the rule of law (ie, flee the country; good luck with that), or take up arms and force them to stop yourself.  If you aren't willing to take up arms yourself and do what you can to force them to stop, then you ARE willing to accept the country described in #2, above.  You may be mad about it, but you're ultimately willing to accept it.

So...who here is willing to accept it?
 
2020-07-19 12:34:04 AM  

AirForceVet: WTF is going on in Portland?


Remember all that stuff Obama was supposedly doing in Jade Helm?

Remember how with Republicans, every accusation is a confession?
 
2020-07-19 1:25:34 AM  

AirForceVet: WTF is going on in Portland?


Fascists toeing the water.
 
2020-07-19 1:27:58 AM  

Wadded Beef: AirForceVet: WTF is going on in Portland?

Fascists toeing the water.


Only in the sense that dropping into the water up to the crown of your head necessarily includes the toe.
 
kab
2020-07-19 1:29:32 AM  
land of the free strikes again
 
2020-07-19 1:31:21 AM  
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2020-07-19 1:35:35 AM  
Who is Jarred Pennington? Note that he's on site DHS lead and the FAA included his phone number at the bottom of the NOTAM. Maybe we should call and ask what's up?
 
2020-07-19 1:37:20 AM  
If only we had just built that big, beautiful Canada wall...

/which the Canadians were gonna pay for, BTW
 
2020-07-19 1:38:25 AM  
To clear up any misconceptions....
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2020-07-19 1:38:53 AM  
Now we have a no fly zone in CONUS with the option of DOD assets patrolling.

Apparently we're at war with Portland.

This is the dumbest timeline:
 
2020-07-19 1:38:56 AM  
Time to choose, how you gonna go?

The Clash - Guns Of Brixton - Official Video
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2020-07-19 1:39:00 AM  
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2020-07-19 1:39:15 AM  
"I just had coffee with McCauley a HALF HOUR AGO!"
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2020-07-19 1:40:38 AM  
Portland courthouse. Lol

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2020-07-19 1:41:37 AM  

Bajtaur: OMG people. While the feds are clearly on a power trip in Portland, this is a 1 mile radius circle up to 1000 ft above ground level over downtown Portland. That is the minimum recommended altitude for a plane flying over a densely populated area anyhow. It does look like it closes the helipad in downtown though. There are TFRs constantly all over the US daily and no one except pilots pay any attention.

cman: From what I gather its a beacon used by police et al. This order has been in effect since the 16th.

No. Despite the unfortunate name "Battle Ground VORTAC" is the standard aviation navigational beacon serving the Portland International airport. It is what everyone aims at if they are flying to Portland with low viability. It has likely been called that since it was installed in the 80s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VORTAC.

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The coordinates listed in the parentheses, 45º30'56"N 122º40'34"W, are for the Portland Federal Courthouse, which is in the immediate vicinity of where much of the protesting has been taking place, and the place Defective Human shiatstain Chad Wolf is claiming needs armed guards to protect its dull grey walls from grafitti.
 
2020-07-19 1:42:31 AM  

AirForceVet: WTF is going on in Portland?


Hostile takeover and occupation by "Law Enforcement"

Next, they round up civilians and stick them in camps, and fark your Constitution "criminal"
 
2020-07-19 1:45:03 AM  
The Battle Ground VORTAC is in WA.  The area in question is 14,4 nautical miles away from it on a 173 bearing - over downtown Portland and covers a 1 mile radius.  As stated foxed wing aircraft cannot descend below 1,000 feet AGL normally - but rotary craft can; until now.

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2020-07-19 1:45:55 AM  
Remember when all the pig-farking republicans were going out of their minds about Jade Helm and all the other evil plots that never came to be anything real?

Well now it's real.

You have anonymous federal agents treating Americans like insurgents.

Where are all the armed defenders of the constitution (pig-farking republicans) now to defend against tyranny?
 
2020-07-19 1:47:05 AM  

rohar: Now we have a no fly zone in CONUS with the option of DOD assets patrolling.

Apparently we're at war with Portland.

This is the dumbest timeline:


Help us Obi Wan Kenobi, you're our only hope.

Who would have thought my sleepy little town would have this much trouble.
 
2020-07-19 1:47:41 AM  
BATTLE GROUND VORTAC!

That's what the Federal Government is calling Portland.
 
2020-07-19 1:48:40 AM  

whatshisname: BATTLE GROUND VORTAC!

That's what the Federal Government is calling Portland.


Battle Ground is a sleepy bedroom community full of Trump voters outside Vancouver, WA.
 
2020-07-19 1:48:50 AM  

omg bbq: Remember when all the pig-farking republicans were going out of their minds about Jade Helm and all the other evil plots that never came to be anything real?

Well now it's real.

You have anonymous federal agents treating Americans like insurgents.

Where are all the armed defenders of the constitution (pig-farking republicans) now to defend against tyranny?


I mean, they all took over a farking bird sanctuary IN OREGON just a little while back to protest against not getting enough free grazing rights so I know they know where the state is.
They fought and bled and died for those free grazing rights.

Well now we have the feds treating American citizens like they are an opposing enemy force.
Where you at brave dildoians?
 
2020-07-19 1:49:25 AM  
 The war president ..  At war with his own country ..
 
2020-07-19 1:49:35 AM  

AirForceVet: WTF is going on in Portland?


A dry run.
 
2020-07-19 1:51:55 AM  

cman: cman: From what I can read, it appears to only apply to a one mile radius around a beacon called "Battle Ground Vortac". From what I gather its a beacon used by police et al. This order has been in effect since the 16th.

Addendum

1 nautical mile. A nautical mile is slightly larger than a standard mile.

I also can see that aircraft may be shot down if found in that area.


Unmanned aircraft may be shot down.
 
2020-07-19 1:53:40 AM  
I have a cousin that lives in Battle Ground.  Sleepy little town.

No farkin clue what a VORTAC is, though.  Sounds dangerous.
 
2020-07-19 1:53:56 AM  

whatshisname: BATTLE GROUND VORTAC!

That's what the Federal Government is calling Portland.


It sounds like something from Robotech...

... or Ghostbusters.
 
2020-07-19 1:54:48 AM  

whatshisname: BATTLE GROUND VORTAC!

That's what the Federal Government is calling Portland.


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2020-07-19 1:57:21 AM  

Wadded Beef: AirForceVet: WTF is going on in Portland?

Fascists toeing the water.


People are going to die behind this bullshiat.

Yeah Portland is full liberals but liberals own guns too, this is also a concealed carry state. Someone is going to be armed and react poorly (properly???) to anonymous armed assholes in a minivan trying to scoop them up and it's going to be on.

Secret police is what despots have. Most despots don't have to worry about a heavily armed population.
 
2020-07-19 1:57:30 AM  
Last week Trump said there were "exciting things happening the next eight weeks". I guess this is the start.
 
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