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TWX [TotalFark]
2020-07-18 2:36:31 PM  
Just start taking citizen tips, then pull 'em over and arrest them for kidnapping.  That would actually go a long way towards restoring goodwill by the local police.
 
2020-07-18 2:52:46 PM  
Blockade the farking federal courthouse and facilities. The federal agents will injure or kill someone (as they have already) or encourage right wing nut jobs to do the same.

Likewise, someone may defend themselves and take out a federal agent or more. The 2nd Amendment is restricted to KKK and Nazis only.
 
2020-07-18 2:54:58 PM  
I meant that the 2nd Amendment does not only apply to right wing militias, KKK and Nazis only in America.
 
2020-07-18 2:57:17 PM  
Good.
 
2020-07-18 3:11:22 PM  
It's kind of creepy that if you see an unmarked vsn deploying armed guys in camo yelling you are under arrest, you have to decide whether to resist actual LEOs and get charged for it....or not resost and maybe end up in the hands of an armed right wing militia looking to make a white-ISIS video.
 
2020-07-18 3:22:00 PM  

AirForceVet: Blockade the farking federal courthouse and facilities. The federal agents will injure or kill someone (as they have already) or encourage right wing nut jobs to do the same.

Likewise, someone may defend themselves and take out a federal agent or more. The 2nd Amendment is restricted to KKK and Nazis only.


That's the point, and Oregon DOJ knows it.

...the lawsuit states that Oregonians could be at risk of kidnapping by "militias and other civilian 'volunteers' taking it onto themselves to pull peaceful protesters into their cars, in a manner that resembles the federal actions described..."
 
2020-07-18 4:46:32 PM  
This is f*cking surreal.
 
2020-07-18 4:47:31 PM  
Heavily armed guys wearing camo driving around in unmarked vans might end up posing a problem for DHS that it should have anticipated. https://www.nytimes.com/​2020/06/16/us/​steven-carrillo-air-force-boogaloo.htm​l
 
2020-07-18 5:32:40 PM  
You've really got to wonder who's bright idea sending in the goon squads was.
 
2020-07-18 6:08:27 PM  
Good.  This is how a federated republic should work.
 
2020-07-18 6:09:49 PM  
Good. Expose the shiat out of them.
 
2020-07-18 6:09:59 PM  

AirForceVet: I meant that the 2nd Amendment does not only apply to right wing militias, KKK and Nazis only in America.


No, no, with how our country actually functions in practice you had it right the first time.
 
2020-07-18 6:10:40 PM  
I'm fearful that nothing will happen because of this.

But I really hope they get those farks out of the state.  This is absolute bullshiat.
 
2020-07-18 6:10:51 PM  
Call out the National Guard: they're supposed to protect us from enemies, foreign and domestic.
 
2020-07-18 6:10:54 PM  
You forget SS (the German one).
 
2020-07-18 6:11:25 PM  
Strange how our Federal Government isn't targeting the actual factual Nazis.
 
2020-07-18 6:12:07 PM  
Something something under color of law?  Felony?
 
2020-07-18 6:13:03 PM  

TWX: Just start taking citizen tips, then pull 'em over and arrest them for kidnapping.  That would actually go a long way towards restoring goodwill by the local police.


It's cute you think their goodwill can be restored.
 
2020-07-18 6:13:30 PM  
 the Federal Bureau of Statistics doesn't count
 
2020-07-18 6:13:30 PM  
Interesting how this will play out.

Will courts decide that a state has the power to make uniform decisions for feds?

Could they require clownish uniforms? Nazi uniforms?

Or at best will they be told patches and labels be more clear?
 
2020-07-18 6:14:57 PM  
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/18/us​/​portland-protests.html

The federal agents facing a growing backlash for their militarized approach to weeks of unrest in Portland were not specifically trained in riot control or mass demonstrations, an internal Department of Homeland Security memo warned this week.

The message dated Thursday was prepared by the agency for Chad F. Wolf, the acting secretary of Homeland Security, as he arrived in Portland to view the scene in person, according to a copy of the memo obtained by The New York Times. It listed federal buildings in the city and issues officers faced in protecting them.

The memo, seemingly anticipating future encounters with protesters in other cities as the department follows President Trump's guidance to crack down on unrest, warns: "Moving forward, if this type of response is going to be the norm, specialized training and standardized equipment should be deployed to responding agencies."

The tactical agents deployed by Homeland Security include officials from a group known as BORTAC, the Border Patrol's equivalent of a S.W.A.T. team, a highly trained group that normally is tasked with investigating drug smuggling organizations, as opposed to protesters in cities.
 
2020-07-18 6:15:28 PM  

AirForceVet: I meant that the 2nd Amendment does not only apply to right wing militias, KKK and Nazis only in America.


Actually you were right the first time. The Second Amendment is ostensibly for everybody but is only defended in practice when used in support of state-sponsored terror.
 
2020-07-18 6:16:25 PM  
I love the thought of these "Fa" stormtroopers sitting in their rented minivans and then realizing all of their tires are slashed.
 
2020-07-18 6:17:41 PM  

AirForceVet: Blockade the farking federal courthouse and facilities. The federal agents will injure or kill someone (as they have already) or encourage right wing nut jobs to do the same.

Likewise, someone may defend themselves and take out a federal agent or more. The 2nd Amendment is restricted to KKK and Nazis only.


It might work to go full Gandhi, Or MLKjr as the case may be. But there is so much bloodlust in the USA that we should have passed that point with the teargas long ago. Plenty of unarmed protesters have been abused by the police and Americans are waiting for the farking election. WHAT COULD GO WRONG with waiting???

Well, this could go wrong with waiting.
 
2020-07-18 6:18:25 PM  
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2020-07-18 6:19:34 PM  
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2020-07-18 6:20:16 PM  

wejash: It's kind of creepy that if you see an unmarked vsn deploying armed guys in camo yelling you are under arrest, you have to decide whether to resist actual LEOs and get charged for it


Precisely the reason why the CHP is very clear about "do not pull over unless there is a big-ass star on the side of the car."  People were getting robbed/assaulted by pretend-o-cops years and years ago, and that should have been the end of unmarked bullshiat federally, but no.

The fact that some states use entirely unmarked (and sometimes random seized-) cars for highway enforcement goes on the looonnnnng list of things that are lonnnnnnnnnnnng overdue for a hearty, "WTF? FIX THIS NOW" about policing in this country.  And, really unmarked anything for any reason.

Burn. It. All. Down.
 
2020-07-18 6:20:30 PM  
Stay super weird, Portland.
 
2020-07-18 6:20:39 PM  
These MAGA Stormtrumpers are also attacking medics.

Federal Officers In Portland Attack Medics For Trying To Help A Man Who Just Had A Seizure
Youtube RMOK4IFCwSA


Dude on the ground was having a seizure. These thugs just showed up out of nowhere and attacked.
 
2020-07-18 6:21:12 PM  
Trump undoubtedly started this in Oregon, because it strikes him as a wimpy, easily pushed around state.

So I really hope Oregon kicks his ass and makes him their biatch.

#PacificaStrong
 
2020-07-18 6:21:29 PM  

wejash: It's kind of creepy that if you see an unmarked vsn deploying armed guys in camo yelling you are under arrest, you have to decide whether to resist actual LEOs and get charged for it....or not resost and maybe end up in the hands of an armed right wing militia looking to make a white-ISIS video.


I kind of wonder how fighting as if your life actually depended on it trying to resist while shouting "Help, these aren't law enforcement! I know this guy! He isn't law enforcement! They aren't with any department! I'm being kidnapped! They're going to KILL ME!" would play out.

Protesters being, effectively kidnapped, have every reason to use everything at their disposal to fight this, and the confusion would enforce the need for identifiable law enforcement.

The best reason not to is because of the ass kicked and bone breaking and police brutality that's already become so commonplace in our, uh, "Law Enforcement" a term that's quite tainted in the modern age.
 
2020-07-18 6:22:02 PM  

WilderKWight: These MAGA Stormtrumpers are also attacking medics.

[YouTube video: Federal Officers In Portland Attack Medics For Trying To Help A Man Who Just Had A Seizure]

Dude on the ground was having a seizure. These thugs just showed up out of nowhere and attacked.


Remember to aim for the upper legs, just below center of mass.
 
2020-07-18 6:22:41 PM  

TWX: Just start taking citizen tips, then pull 'em over and arrest them for kidnapping.  That would actually go a long way towards restoring goodwill by the local police.


Until the outcome of these injunctions, they just need to order the local LEO's to blockade the Federal buildings and escort and protect peaceful protesters.
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This could be shut down VERY quickly making it directly a State vs Federal issue.
 
2020-07-18 6:23:31 PM  
Wait, the DHHS? They're dragging the Department of Health and Human Services into this?

Is your keyboard sticky, subby?
 
2020-07-18 6:23:57 PM  
"...identity of the officers is not known, nor is their agency affiliation..."

What's Erik Prince been up to lately?

/oh blackwater, keep on rollin'...
 
2020-07-18 6:24:59 PM  
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2020-07-18 6:25:11 PM  
So those "pro-states' rights" Confederate "historians" should be around any second to stand up for Oregon, right?
 
2020-07-18 6:26:41 PM  
I thought the government didn't approve of basij tactics.
 
2020-07-18 6:27:28 PM  

iheartscotch: You've really got to wonder who's bright idea sending in the goon squads was.


Do you really need to ask?
 
2020-07-18 6:28:37 PM  
Portland could have handled this better in the beginning and avoided all this.
 
2020-07-18 6:29:14 PM  

AirForceVet: Blockade the farking federal courthouse and facilities. The federal agents will injure or kill someone (as they have already) or encourage right wing nut jobs to do the same.

Likewise, someone may defend themselves and take out a federal agent or more. The 2nd Amendment is restricted to KKK and Nazis only.


I'm really surprised one of those little four man minivan squads hasn't already been encircled by protesters and removed from circulation.
 
2020-07-18 6:30:45 PM  

WilderKWight: These MAGA Stormtrumpers are also attacking medics.

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Dude on the ground was having a seizure. These thugs just showed up out of nowhere and attacked.


If that video ended with someone shooting the cops, I would not shed a single tear.
 
2020-07-18 6:31:10 PM  

leviosaurus: Trump undoubtedly started this in Oregon, because it strikes him as a wimpy, easily pushed around state.

So I really hope Oregon kicks his ass and makes him their biatch.

#PacificaStrong


The prayer breakfast proudboy 3% puked haven't stopped anything yet. They've misinterpreted the amount of experience and passion the people resisting them have.
/Oregonian
//even more proud of the resistance
/// and very impressed by our political leaders here
 
2020-07-18 6:32:18 PM  

Vacation Bible School: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/18/us​/​portland-protests.html

The federal agents facing a growing backlash for their militarized approach to weeks of unrest in Portland were not specifically trained in riot control or mass demonstrations, an internal Department of Homeland Security memo warned this week.

The message dated Thursday was prepared by the agency for Chad F. Wolf, the acting secretary of Homeland Security, as he arrived in Portland to view the scene in person, according to a copy of the memo obtained by The New York Times. It listed federal buildings in the city and issues officers faced in protecting them.

The memo, seemingly anticipating future encounters with protesters in other cities as the department follows President Trump's guidance to crack down on unrest, warns: "Moving forward, if this type of response is going to be the norm, specialized training and standardized equipment should be deployed to responding agencies."

The tactical agents deployed by Homeland Security include officials from a group known as BORTAC, the Border Patrol's equivalent of a S.W.A.T. team, a highly trained group that normally is tasked with investigating drug smuggling organizations, as opposed to protesters in cities.


Caption to one of the photos:
Protesters gathered by the hundreds late Friday and into Saturday morning - the largest crowd in weeks.

They would appear to be trying to incite violence to give them an excuse for these tactics. In any other time I would just say they are being stupid, but now I am just as likely to think they want a violent response.

I.
Hate.
This.
Timeline.
 
2020-07-18 6:33:11 PM  
But, but, but it's a POLICE STATE when there are strict postal regulations on shipping PERFUUUUMES overseas!
 
2020-07-18 6:34:00 PM  

detonator: leviosaurus: Trump undoubtedly started this in Oregon, because it strikes him as a wimpy, easily pushed around state.

So I really hope Oregon kicks his ass and makes him their biatch.

#PacificaStrong

The prayer breakfast proudboy 3% puked haven't stopped anything yet. They've misinterpreted the amount of experience and passion the people resisting them have.
/Oregonian
//even more proud of the resistance
/// and very impressed by our political leaders here


Stand firm, brother.

/I think CA and WA should join the lawsuit, since they obvs want to roll this out to the rest of the Best Coast
//Pacifica gonna Pacifica
 
2020-07-18 6:35:38 PM  

iheartscotch: You've really got to wonder who's bright idea sending in the goon squads was.


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2020-07-18 6:35:47 PM  

iheartscotch: You've really got to wonder who's bright idea sending in the goon squads was.


No, you don't need to wonder at all. It's so farking obvious.
 
2020-07-18 6:38:00 PM  

leviosaurus: detonator: leviosaurus: Trump undoubtedly started this in Oregon, because it strikes him as a wimpy, easily pushed around state.

So I really hope Oregon kicks his ass and makes him their biatch.

#PacificaStrong

The prayer breakfast proudboy 3% puked haven't stopped anything yet. They've misinterpreted the amount of experience and passion the people resisting them have.
/Oregonian
//even more proud of the resistance
/// and very impressed by our political leaders here

Stand firm, brother.

/I think CA and WA should join the lawsuit, since they obvs want to roll this out to the rest of the Best Coast
//Pacifica gonna Pacifica


Don't kid yourself; If the trumpistas could hack off the I-5 corridor  from the rest of the coast, they would. There's plenty of rednecks around here, they just mostly sit in really small towns hours away from the corridor.
 
2020-07-18 6:39:28 PM  

WilderKWight: These MAGA Stormtrumpers are also attacking medics.

[YouTube video: Federal Officers In Portland Attack Medics For Trying To Help A Man Who Just Had A Seizure]

Dude on the ground was having a seizure. These thugs just showed up out of nowhere and attacked.


Holy crap...
 
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